FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2020 4:57pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No surprise there Blanch, these lads are bending over backwards to try to keep the complete mess the Shinners are making of things where they are in power out of this thread.

What they want is to have carte Blanche to attack those in power down here whilst trying to hide the unholy mess the same party are making of their jurisdiction.

How can any sensible person have confidence in that bunch of incompetents.

Brendi...go research what the 'Executive' is and how it functions.

I have been telling you NI is a failure for yonks. This proves it and will factor hugely come the border poll.
Because it is a failure we cannot guarantee our island's health security now never mind the stability of it.

James Brown · 12-10-2020 4:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Another made-up fantasy in your head about Leo.

(1) Leo didn't say that "Debenhams have no money for workers"

(2) There is no way he could know the inside financial situation in Debenhams to the detail required to say that.

You keep saying complete tripe like this 'another made up..' with no evidence and you get told only to try it on again and again...

(1) "Mr Vardkar, who is both Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade, and Employment, told RTÉ on Wednesday that Debenhams is genuinely insolvent and lacks the funds to pay staff their redundancy."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40046087.html

"The money isn't there on this occasion. And that's the difficulty."

He lied.

(2) Likely correct. Either way he had no business spouting spin dismissing the workers with his lies. Especially considering they implemented no recommendations that came in the wake of Clery's

Psst...this is where you look for something in my comment to allow you spin off in a different direction.....

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 5:02pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1012/1170892-coronavirus-ireland/

Three highest rates in Ireland are in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan. No surprise to see the border counties in trouble with the chaotic mess overseen by Sinn Fein going on in Northern Ireland where they have the highest rates in Europe.

Not looking up North to say they are worse, looking up North to point out that the incompetents up there are making things much more difficult down here.

Can the North be blamed for

- The lack of ICU beds we have 6 months after we were promised loads more
- GAA teams and parishes on the piss for the weekend after county title wins and loses
- Freshers week in Galway
- The protests in Dublin every Saturday
- House Parties up and down the country
- People coming in through the airport, and not been followed up on.

What do you want, the border closed?

James Brown · 12-10-2020 5:02pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Been round the houses with Bowie on this one and had to give up. He either simply does not understand the liquidation process or is wilfully repeating something he knows to be untrue

Yes, you got called out and ran away.

Leo lied.

You think FF had no hand in the last crash so...

James Brown · 12-10-2020 5:05pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Can the North be blamed for

- The lack of ICU beds we have 6 months after we were promised loads more
- GAA teams and parishes on the piss for the weekend after county title wins and loses
- Freshers week in Galway
- The protests in Dublin every Saturday
- House Parties up and down the country
- People coming in through the airport, and not been followed up on.

What do you want, the border closed?

They are struggling now as sadly our rates are up too. Still need to do 'look over there' using misery and insults to get cheap shots on the internet. Not a normal party.
Fun to see them compare Donegal to the occupied territory like they're one in the same because it suits

Floppybits · 12-10-2020 5:11pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Can the North be blamed for

- The lack of ICU beds we have 6 months after we were promised loads more
- GAA teams and parishes on the piss for the weekend after county title wins and loses
- Freshers week in Galway
- The protests in Dublin every Saturday
- House Parties up and down the country
- People coming in through the airport, and not been followed up on.

What do you want, the border closed?

Build a wall maybe?

McMurphy · 12-10-2020 5:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1012/1170892-coronavirus-ireland/

Three highest rates in Ireland are in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan. No surprise to see the border counties in trouble with the chaotic mess overseen by Sinn Fein going on in Northern Ireland where they have the highest rates in Europe.

Not looking up North to say they are worse, looking up North to point out that the incompetents up there are making things much more difficult down here.

Ah so it's back to blaming a govt for covid mess.

Down here where FFG are in charge - nope blanch says you cannot blame a govt.

He changed his mind as to whether a govt could be blamed in the north, even suggested they were to blame for the Tullamore episode of covid.

He quickly changed his mind again when it was NPHET advice being ignored.

Now the North has a rise in cases you can hold a govt responsible again.

It's the internet equivalent of the hokey pokey.

RandomViewer · 12-10-2020 5:30pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Criminally bad tendering of processes? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that State tenders were awarded under suspicious circumstances? You'll have to explain how that could happen under the triple lock of Government, the Civil Service, and the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General, and for what tenders it happened.

Look up Udarus n.a. Gaeltachta and see who gets their contracts, Its generational at this stage

RandomViewer · 12-10-2020 5:33pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Would you be in favour of tax harmonisation across the EU?

I'd be thinking that after Brexit that tax harmonisation will be on the EU agenda, if Germany and France want it it will be happening

blanch152 · 12-10-2020 6:14pm

Bowie wrote: »

They are struggling now as sadly our rates are up too. Still need to do 'look over there' using misery and insults to get cheap shots on the internet. Not a normal party.
Fun to see them compare Donegal to the occupied territory like they're one in the same because it suits

Our rates are up because of the overflow from the North. Furthermore, they are still far behind the North.

Michelle O'Neill is putting the whole island in trouble.

Geographically we live on one island. Politically, there are two countries on this island. Which bit of that do you not understand?

blanch152 · 12-10-2020 6:16pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Can the North be blamed for

- The lack of ICU beds we have 6 months after we were promised loads more
- GAA teams and parishes on the piss for the weekend after county title wins and loses
- Freshers week in Galway
- The protests in Dublin every Saturday
- House Parties up and down the country
- People coming in through the airport, and not been followed up on.

What do you want, the border closed?

Still, with all of that, the Covid-19 rates in Northern Ireland are three times ours?

What gives, what is different?

Every Shinner and republican on here tells me we are one nation, exactly the same, yet the Covid-19 rates up there are three times higher. Are we lucky to have Leo and co in charge compared to having Michelle?

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 6:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Our rates are up because of the overflow from the North. Furthermore, they are still far behind the North.

Michelle O'Neill is putting the whole island in trouble.

Geographically we live on one island. Politically, there are two countries on this island. Which bit of that do you not understand?

If Michelle is putting the whole island in trouble then so are FF/FG/Greens by going against Public Health Advice

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2020 6:27pm

Wonder will Leo be on Claire Byrne tonight complaining that the recommendation of Minister Of Finance in the budget being leaked?

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 6:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wonder will Leo be on Claire Byrne tonight complaining that the recommendation of Minister Of Finance in the budget being leaked?

They havnt told him anything about it like last week, he can't go to the media again with false info

Nobotty · 12-10-2020 7:21pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

If Michelle is putting the whole island in trouble then so are FF/FG/Greens by going against Public Health Advice

She isn't
The DUP are
The North now has the funding for a complete lockdown and there's a case there if ever there was,the 6 county rate is at 327 and parts over 900
Yet Geoffrey Donaldson was on radio one after 5 playing down the whole thing
He said he was going to take no lectures from people who held a fake funeral
So that's whats going on in the executive too no doubt

Putting border counties to level 4 is only a gimmick unless there's fines for leaving or entering the county without a valid excuse

saabsaab · 12-10-2020 7:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Still, with all of that, the Covid-19 rates in Northern Ireland are three times ours?

What gives, what is different?

Every Shinner and republican on here tells me we are one nation, exactly the same, yet the Covid-19 rates up there are three times higher. Are we lucky to have Leo and co in charge compared to having Michelle?

Surely M Martin!

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2020 7:29pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Surely M Martin!

The mask slipped.

Priceless.

Eric Cartman · 12-10-2020 7:33pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/hazel-chu-social-democrats-5230965-Oct2020/ in a shocking statement that just about everyone saw coming, shortly after saoirse mchugh got out early to avoid the tar, heres Hazel Chu lining up her next party after the greens falter at the next election.

Social democrats are really looking to become a heavy hitting opposition party next time around.

Bishop of hope · 12-10-2020 7:33pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They havnt told him anything about it like last week, he can't go to the media again with false info

Apart from Leo have you anything to add?

FrancieBrady · 12-10-2020 7:35pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/hazel-chu-social-democrats-5230965-Oct2020/ in a shocking statement that just about everyone saw coming, shortly after saoirse mchugh got out early to avoid the tar, heres Hazel Chu lining up her next party after the greens falter at the next election.

Social democrats are really looking to become a heavy hitting opposition party next time around.

Hazel Chu is heavy hitter? Really?

Eric Cartman · 12-10-2020 7:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hazel Chu is heavy hitter? Really?

absolutely not, but she complains a lot about problems that may not even exist. I think SD are preparing themselves to be the party to replace SF in taking up the most amount of dail tv time giving out about things.

crystal ball for the future : FG take Stephen Donnelly . Mchugh and Chu join SD and spend the rest of their careers shouting about how bad FG are while in power, yet every time a coalition option is on the table they silently go along with it until it inevitably falls apart, then say how they would have left if the coalition did happen.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 8:12pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Apart from Leo have you anything to add?

It was in response to a question about the man, would you read before you post

Them apples are very bitter

Bishop of hope · 12-10-2020 8:16pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

It was in response to a question about the man, would you read before you post

Them apples are very bitter

Sour as fcuk, but still better than your lemons.

It was in response to a, quip by Francie iirc.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 9:00pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Sour as fcuk, but still better than your lemons.

It was in response to a, quip by Francie iirc.

Are you mad, the football team I follow is in the Europa League, as I am a volunteer I can attend all home games. We are even in discussions to play them in Belfast as the IRFU don't seem to want the rent, crying to our Govt for money though. I'm buzzing with life

Scoondal · 12-10-2020 9:01pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why do men (always men) who spend so much of the day posting about politics know so very, very little about how it actually works?

:eek:

I am a man.
And I know how politics works.
Your blatent sexism belongs 50 years ago.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 9:08pm

https://twitter.com/ActingTheGoms/status/1315585172155359232?s=19

10,000 more beds 20 years ago

What a fantastic 20 years FFG have given us

Bishop of hope · 12-10-2020 10:21pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ActingTheGoms/status/1315585172155359232?s=19

10,000 more beds 20 years ago

What a fantastic 20 years FFG have given us

I have to agree somewhat on that one.
Too many hospitals closed or downgraded.

Scoondal · 12-10-2020 10:25pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ActingTheGoms/status/1315585172155359232?s=19

10,000 more beds 20 years ago

What a fantastic 20 years FFG have given us

Emm, 20 years ago we had Bertie Ahern.
What do you mean ?
The Irish people vote directly for their government.
Your "FFG" reference shows no ability to debate politics in Ireland. Can you not find someone better than Bertie Ahern for your point in history ?

Bishop of hope · 12-10-2020 10:35pm

Scoondal wrote: »

Emm, 20 years ago we had Bertie Ahern.
What do you mean ?
The Irish people vote directly for their government.
Your "FFG" reference shows no ability to debate politics in Ireland. Can you not find someone better than Bertie Ahern for your point in history ?

I remember an Enda Kenny promising not to close or downgrade Roscommon hospital, Denis Naughten resigned over that little lie.

Cluedo Monopoly · 12-10-2020 10:42pm

FF and FG didn't know how bad they had let the hospitals get over the last 20 years. I know for a fact that this happened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/hospital-denies-patients-were-hidden-in-room-during-taoiseach-visit-to-ae-36815461.html

April 17 2018 12:43 PM

University College Hospital Galway have denied claims that patients were moved from the emergency department ahead of a visit by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar last week.

On RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta on Monday, a man claimed that patients in the A&E were moved out of the A&E and ‘hidden’ in advance of the visit. on Thursday April 12.

It happened in UCHG with a Brian Cowen walkthrough too.

Scoondal · 12-10-2020 10:51pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I remember an Enda Kenny promising not to close or downgrade Roscommon hospital, Denis Naughten resigned over that little lie.

Yes. But the comment seemed to suggest that 20 years ago things were fine.
Both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail can go away, but this "FFG" thing is just a populist theme.
I don't do populism. I have my own brain.

Bishop of hope · 12-10-2020 10:58pm

Scoondal wrote: »

Yes. But the comment seemed to suggest that 20 years ago things were fine.
Both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail can go away, but this "FFG" thing is just a populist theme.
I don't do populism. I have my own brain.

Fair enough, but as it is, either FF or FG govts are responsible for this.
Thats a fact, not populism.

Out of the reform from regional health boards came the mighty HSE, and it's so powerful now it looks like no govt can reform it or get us beds back.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 11:02pm

Scoondal wrote: »

Yes. But the comment seemed to suggest that 20 years ago things were fine.
Both Fine Gael and Fianna Fail can go away, but this "FFG" thing is just a populist theme.
I don't do populism. I have my own brain.

FF/FG I should have said. They are the 2 parties who have been in charge resulting in Ireland having less beds than 20 years ago. Both are too blame

They couldn't even get the required ICU beds they told us they needed during a pandemic and the winter plan says we will get 17 more ICU beds

Do you want to blame the Shinners on that one too?

dundalkfc10 · 13-10-2020 12:23am

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/hundreds-thousands-travelled-ireland-covid-22833517#ICID=Android_IrishMirrorNewsApp_AppShare

At least the airports are under control as promised months ago

Scoondal · 13-10-2020 12:24am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

FF/FG I should have said. They are the 2 parties who have been in charge resulting in Ireland having less beds than 20 years ago. Both are too blame

They couldn't even get the required ICU beds they told us they needed during a pandemic and the winter plan says we will get 17 more ICU beds

Do you want to blame the Shinners on that one too?

No, I can't blame the shinners for that.
I blame Bertie Ahern's government for closing hospital wards.

dundalkfc10 · 13-10-2020 12:26am

Scoondal wrote: »

No, I can't blame the shinners for that.
I blame Bertie Ahern's government for closing hospital wards.

And any blame on the current Govt promising us X amount of extra beds and ICU beds 6 months ago and failing to deliver as per?

Scoondal · 13-10-2020 12:28am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/hundreds-thousands-travelled-ireland-covid-22833517#ICID=Android_IrishMirrorNewsApp_AppShare

At least the airports are under control as promised months ago

I have had three different jobs in Dublin and Cork airports. Those positions are gone.

Scoondal · 13-10-2020 12:33am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/hundreds-thousands-travelled-ireland-covid-22833517#ICID=Android_IrishMirrorNewsApp_AppShare

At least the airports are under control as promised months ago

I have worked 15 years in the aviation industry. All that experience counts for nothing now. I have a part-time EWSS job that pays €137 per week. "The airports are under control" ... jaysus.

Idbatterim · 13-10-2020 12:35am

Kasey_Don wrote: »

Budget tomorrow is another kick in the teeth of middle income workers.

Really, it's better to be poor or rich, having a little bit of money is the worst.

Carbon tax going up for me. That money is going to people on the dole who already get housing, medical cards, grants etc.

VRT going up - cars being made more expensive.

PUP recipients likely to get a bonus at Christmas. What a joke. They're already getting more than they deserve after they've lost their job.

Help to buy scheme being expanded to prop up property prices. Literally impossible for me to every buy a new place. 2 bed apartments where I live are going for 380k.

How much of taxpayers money that is going to have to be paid back through higher taxes is being pumped into businesses? The money thrown at them is disgusting.

You don't get rewarded for working anymore.

Agree with all of this, whatever about people on pup getting xmas bonus. Its the long term wasters only that get it , if unemployed. Paid for by low income workers, who lose half their pay over 34,000, what a joke !

dundalkfc10 · 13-10-2020 12:39am

Scoondal wrote: »

I have worked 15 years in the aviation industry. All that experience counts for nothing now. I have a part-time EWSS job that pays €137 per week. "The airports are under control" ... jaysus.

Sorry your jobs are gone and I was been sarcastic. We are basically the only country where it has tried to stop people flying at all costs but has no testing or tracing at airports while people arrive and come and go as they please, its madness

Scoondal · 13-10-2020 12:41am

Scoondal wrote: »

I have worked 15 years in the aviation industry. All that experience counts for nothing now. I have a part-time EWSS job that pays €137 per week. "The airports are under control" ... jaysus.

I would get more on PUP, but that is not my style. I will work 15 hours a week on a school minibus and throw away my skills in aviation.

Bishop of hope · 13-10-2020 7:26am

Scoondal wrote: »

I would get more on PUP, but that is not my style. I will work 15 hours a week on a school minibus and throw away my skills in aviation.

Fair play if you can live on €137

Bishop of hope · 13-10-2020 7:41am

Budget day, rumor has it that Leo framed the entire budget!

blanch152 · 13-10-2020 8:00am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sorry your jobs are gone and I was been sarcastic. We are basically the only country where it has tried to stop people flying at all costs but has no testing or tracing at airports while people arrive and come and go as they please, its madness

You make things up as always. Yesterday we had the lowest corporation tax rate in Europe - a lie you were caught out on.

I know a number of people who have flown into the UK and they say that there are less checks there. One of them flew into Belfast last week and wasn't asked once about Covid. The French system is haphazard as well.

Why do you keep making things up?

dundalkfc10 · 13-10-2020 8:06am

blanch152 wrote: »

You make things up as always. Yesterday we had the lowest corporation tax rate in Europe - a lie you were caught out on.

I know a number of people who have flown into the UK and they say that there are less checks there. One of them flew into Belfast last week and wasn't asked once about Covid. The French system is haphazard as well.

Why do you keep making things up?

I thought it was lowest, Hungary is lower so we are 2nd lowest.

If anyone knows about lies its you Mrs Green

We don't have any testing or tracing at airports, that is true. We have a form to fill in, it's been proven that it's not been followed up on, you can't dispute this but course you can try bring your fav topic the UK into it

blanch152 · 13-10-2020 8:17am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Budget day, rumor has it that Leo framed the entire budget!

He wrote every word himself, and will only share it with Paschal five minutes before it is delivered. He is making Martin wait until he hears it.

blanch152 · 13-10-2020 8:20am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I thought it was lowest, Hungary is lower so we are 2nd lowest.

If anyone knows about lies its you Mrs Green

We don't have any testing or tracing at airports, that is true. We have a form to fill in, it's been proven that it's not been followed up on, you can't dispute this but course you can try bring your fav topic the UK into it

You said we were the only country to......

I have shown that isn't true. Your hyperbole and exaggeration are legendary.

Keep a perspective, if you want to criticise, don't overblow it in some attempt at getting Leo or FG.

McMurphy · 13-10-2020 8:21am

blanch152 wrote: »

You make things up as always. Yesterday we had the lowest corporation tax rate in Europe - a lie you were caught out on.

I know a number of people who have flown into the UK and they say that there are less checks there. One of them flew into Belfast last week and wasn't asked once about Covid. The French system is haphazard as well.

Why do you keep making things up?

blanch152 wrote: »

You said we were the only country to......

I have shown that isn't true. Your hyperbole and exaggeration are legendary.

Keep a perspective, if you want to criticise, don't overblow it in some attempt at getting Leo or FG.

The lad made a mistake blanch, that is not necessarily lying, just like Leo said "the govt wasn't consulted" about NPHET wanting to the state to be moved up to level five.

Have read on here numerous times, Leo didn't necessarily lie, he did not know. Whether he actually did know and chose to lie about it, or Donnelly and Martin left him out of the loop is where things aren't clear.

christy c · 13-10-2020 8:23am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I thought it was lowest, Hungary is lower so we are 2nd lowest.

If anyone knows about lies its you Mrs Green

To be fair, I suspect it wasn't a lie, just pure ignorance. Whichever it was, it made mince meat out of your argument that they could not go elsewhere in the EU and pay less.

It also shows how so much noise from critics of the government's corporate tax policy should be ignored, usually because it their arguments are based on partial knowledge.

dundalkfc10 · 13-10-2020 8:32am

blanch152 wrote: »

You said we were the only country to......

I have shown that isn't true. Your hyperbole and exaggeration are legendary.

Keep a perspective, if you want to criticise, don't overblow it in some attempt at getting Leo or FG.

You accusing anyone of Hyperbole or exaggeration is the funniest thing I've seen on boards in a while.

The fact of the matter is our Govt is failing in its attempts to control Covid, that cannot be denied. Going against NHEPT's advice is and was going to have serious concequences just like we were told and still nothing been done.

We have failed in having enough extra beds in hospital that we were told we needed in March, testing and tracing in airports still no existent, Gardaí still given no powers to stop people breaking restrictions (or turn a blind eye, i.e protests in Dublin), the leaving cert results and start to college year has been one big **** up, failed in giving extra support to people out of work and in danger on going in mortgage arrears.

The 1 thing they have done correct was 2 weekends ago when they kept the phone calls quiet with NHEPT and Minister Health quiet to try and get the weak link in the Govt to not run his mouth to the press, and the clown went ahead and did it anyway. The words were 'The Govt' had no idea this was coming, no he didn't know it was coming the people in Govt who needed to know knew

FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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