Lidl e-scooter this week

Sheep Shagger · 04-07-2020 10:16pm #1

€250.....from Thursday 9 July

https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/summer-toys/e-scooter/p45463

Dr. Steve Brule · 04-07-2020 10:40pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

€250.....from Thursday 9 July

https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/summer-toys/e-scooter/p45463

Interesting, Sheep Shagger.

I wonder who manufactures these.

Technocentral · 05-07-2020 12:25am

Stay off the paths please.

GBX · 05-07-2020 12:38am

Technocentral wrote: »

Stay off the paths please.

Yeah Lidl, stay off the paths!

Corvus Libros · 05-07-2020 12:40am

Technocentral wrote: »

Stay off the paths please.

Lose some weight and walk single file, please.

thenightman · 05-07-2020 1:07am

It's this lad here I think, looks decent for the money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LYcM7izIs4

Blade · 05-07-2020 1:16am

Technocentral wrote: »

Stay off the paths please.

Stay off the Bargain Alerts with that please, After Hours is that-a-way ---->

Sono · 05-07-2020 7:31am

13km out of the battery seems brutal no?

mrcheez · 05-07-2020 7:44am

could these be modded?

antodeco · 05-07-2020 9:26am

Sono wrote: »

13km out of the battery seems brutal no?

You're probably looking closer to 8/9km max being honest. It's a 36v 4.8mh battery. This will also struggle up hill. Also to remember is that the solid tyres are quite lethal in wet weather.

Thing to be aware of, this isint like a normal scooter that you push along if the battery dies. They are very difficult to "scoot" manually. There is resistance in the wheel due to the motor, plus at nearly 11KG (plus your own weight) it takes ALOT to move

mrcheez wrote: »

could these be modded?

No idea. But if you do mod them, your 8/9km distance will be down to about 5/6kmh. The battery levels aren't there for anything major.

It's not a bad scooter for €249, however you can get more powerful ones and bigger battery ones for similar prices.

NIMAN · 05-07-2020 9:27am

Is that a bargain?

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 9:29am

General question as my wife is considering getting one, are these legal? Is it still a grey area?

antodeco · 05-07-2020 9:31am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

General question as my wife is considering getting one, are these legal? Is it still a grey area?

Illegal, however the Gardai typically turn a blind eye. It's a risk you take with these. I have one, and I know plenty others who have one, and never been stopped.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 9:43am

antodeco wrote: »

Illegal, however the Gardai typically turn a blind eye. It's a risk you take with these. I have one, and I know plenty others who have one, and never been stopped.

Thanks....

I take it this never materialised.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/e-scooters-should-be-legal-on-irish-roads-report-recommends-1.3994508?mode=amp

Hard to know where Eamon Ryan’s stance will be on them.

BBMcQ · 05-07-2020 9:50am

These are definitely getting legalised. It’s in the programme for government. Also they are 100% getting legalised in the UK so we’ll just follow their lead. I owned a M365 Pro for a few months and found it too heavy and big to even fold up on the LUAS. If you are spending €250 on one, I would spend €350 on a proper one. They are pretty lethal on all but perfect surfaces. Ireland currently isn’t ready for them to be honest. The footpaths are wide enough, and the bike lanes are full of drain pipes. A minor bump on a bicycle is a whole different story on a e-scooter.

On the other hand, the smart helmet looks great! You really can’t move your head or arms much while scooting. You need to watch constantly where your front wheel is going and talking one hand off the scooter handlebar makes it very unstable.

Then you have the 60kph+ “enthusiasts” holding back the légalisation of the 25kph commuter scooters. End rant!

onedmc · 05-07-2020 10:04am

im not sure that they are illegal, is there a law outlawing them.

They just arn't legal, there is no law that makes provision for them.

Del2005 · 05-07-2020 10:08am

BBMcQ wrote: »

These are definitely getting legalised. It’s in the programme for government. Also they are 100% getting legalised in the UK so we’ll just follow their lead. I owned a M365 Pro for a few months and found it too heavy and big to even fold up on the LUAS. If you are spending €250 on one, I would spend €350 on a proper one. They are pretty lethal on all but perfect surfaces. Ireland currently isn’t ready for them to be honest. The footpaths are wide enough, and the bike lanes are full of drain pipes. A minor bump on a bicycle is a whole different story on a e-scooter.

On the other hand, the smart helmet looks great! You really can’t move your head or arms much while scooting. You need to watch constantly where your front wheel is going and talking one hand off the scooter handlebar makes it very unstable.

Then you have the 60kph+ “enthusiasts” holding back the légalisation of the 25kph commuter scooters. End rant!

They are currently illegal though. So if you hit someone on one you will be in serious trouble for driving without insurance etc.

Pkiernan · 05-07-2020 10:11am

More plastic crap for the masses.
Like their stupid one summer swimming pools.

Whats next, scrambler bikes?

antodeco · 05-07-2020 10:12am

onedmc wrote: »

im not sure that they are illegal, is there a law outlawing them.

They just arn't legal, there is no law that makes provision for them.

By not having a law that makes them illegal doesn't make something legal.

This thread will end up like the eScooter thread that goes around in circles for 100s of pages.

Basically, as this is a motorised vehicle, that can move without continual human input of momentum, it is classed the same as a vehicle in road traffic laws. Meaning insurance tax and registration number is required. The exact same as a fully electric moped.

The law needs to change to exclude these.

blackbox · 05-07-2020 10:14am

onedmc wrote: »

im not sure that they are illegal, is there a law outlawing them.

They just arn't legal, there is no law that makes provision for them.

The fact that they aren't legal means that they are illegal (unless they meet legal requirements for a motorcycle - unlikely!).
If you use it in a public place you need Gardai to turn a blind eye and hope you never get involved in an accident.

Mongfinder General · 05-07-2020 10:27am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

General question as my wife is considering getting one, are these legal? Is it still a grey area?

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2019/72/

This is where we're at in terms of legalisation. The bill lapsed because the government dissolved. The process will be quickly resurrected. There is going to be absolute murder in this country come September when kids go back to school. Unless social distancing is abandoned, public transport will not be an option. That means a huge jump in journeys via private transport. Effective gridlock. Greens will wallop petrol, diesel etc with taxes too.

GBX · 05-07-2020 10:46am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

General question as my wife is considering getting one, are these legal? Is it still a grey area?

It's not illegal to own one. It's illegal to use one without tax or insurance on public roads.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 10:47am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2019/72/

This is where we're at in terms of legalisation. The bill lapsed because the government dissolved. The process will be quickly resurrected. There is going to be absolute murder in this country come September when kids go back to school. Unless social distancing is abandoned, public transport will not be an option. That means a huge jump in journeys via private transport. Effective gridlock. Greens will wallop petrol, diesel etc with taxes too.

Didn’t think of that. In the best interest of govt to allow for any type of transport other than packed public transport.

Do you not think further heavy taxing of diesel petrol would therefore be shooting themselves in the foot. It would therefore mean more people trying to use public transport, more crowded carriages etc.

Peregrine · 05-07-2020 10:52am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Thanks....

I take it this never materialised.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/e-scooters-should-be-legal-on-irish-roads-report-recommends-1.3994508?mode=amp

Hard to know where Eamon Ryan’s stance will be on them.

There was consultation on it. Ended in November or so. Then the election happened and the results were never published. After the election, Shane Ross said it would be the job of the next minister to legislate for them. Legislating for e-scooters is in the programme for government.

grogi · 05-07-2020 10:56am

antodeco wrote: »

By not having a law that makes them illegal doesn't make something legal.

This thread will end up like the eScooter thread that goes around in circles for 100s of pages.

Basically, as this is a motorised vehicle, that can move without continual human input of momentum, it is classed the same as a vehicle in road traffic laws. Meaning insurance tax and registration number is required. The exact same as a fully electric moped.

The law needs to change to exclude these.

They aren't technically illegal. Practically illegal thought...

One can use them provided that insurance and tax are in order. Securing those is close to impossible..

Mongfinder General · 05-07-2020 11:05am

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Didn’t think of that. In the best interest of govt to allow for any type of transport other than packed public transport.

Do you not think further heavy taxing of diesel petrol would therefore be shooting themselves in the foot. It would therefore mean more people trying to use public transport, more crowded carriages etc.

We're dealing with the Eamon Ryan show here - these guys are already indicating that the privately owned motor vehicle should not be used or rather rationed in certain parts of the country. These people are not rational not practical.

05-07-2020 11:05am

Jaywalking is also illegal in Ireland. I wouldn't worry about it.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 11:15am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

We're dealing with the Eamon Ryan show here - these guys are already indicating that the privately owned motor vehicle should not be used or rather rationed in certain parts of the country. These people are not rational not practical.

This much is true.

05-07-2020 11:18am

It sounds very like another old legal quandary.

It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a Lidl, it's legal to sell it.

It's legal to scoot on it, but...but that dosen't matter, cause, get a load of this; all right, if you get stopped by a cop in Ireland, it's illegal for them to detain you. I mean that's a right the cops in Ireland don't have.

Peregrine · 05-07-2020 11:19am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jaywalking is also illegal in Ireland. I wouldn't worry about it.

Not comparable. Nobody gets fined for not using a pedestrian crossing while within 15 metres of one or crossing while the light is red. And the penalty is much less.

s8n · 05-07-2020 11:23am

I live close to a w@nker who scoots around on a unicycle one of these. Absolute dose

Yellow Dog · 05-07-2020 11:29am

Technocentral wrote: »

Stay off the paths please.

Stay off the roads please.

ted1 · 05-07-2020 11:30am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jaywalking is also illegal in Ireland. I wouldn't worry about it.

No it’s not.

Peregrine · 05-07-2020 11:32am

123654789 wrote: »

It sounds very like another old legal quandary.

It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a Lidl, it's legal to sell it.

It's legal to scoot on it, but...but that dosen't matter, cause, get a load of this; all right, if you get stopped by a cop in Ireland, it's illegal for them to detain you. I mean that's a right the cops in Ireland don't have.

They can detain you if you don't have a licence.

There's some really bad advice and awful takes on this thread.

Del2005 · 05-07-2020 11:35am

123654789 wrote: »

It sounds very like another old legal quandary.

It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a Lidl, it's legal to sell it.

It's legal to scoot on it, but...but that dosen't matter, cause, get a load of this; all right, if you get stopped by a cop in Ireland, it's illegal for them to detain you. I mean that's a right the cops in Ireland don't have.

You can use them on private property which is defined as somewhere the public doesn't have access to.

Del2005 · 05-07-2020 11:38am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2019/72/

This is where we're at in terms of legalisation. The bill lapsed because the government dissolved. The process will be quickly resurrected. There is going to be absolute murder in this country come September when kids go back to school. Unless social distancing is abandoned, public transport will not be an option. That means a huge jump in journeys via private transport. Effective gridlock. Greens will wallop petrol, diesel etc with taxes too.

There's already a legal way for kids to get to schools by either walking, cycling or using a pedal assisted bicycle which are also much safer as they have bigger wheels. No need to buy an illegal vehicle for them, the exercise will do them good.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 11:38am

Peregrine wrote: »

They can detain you if you don't have a licence.

There's some really bad advice and awful takes on this thread.

How can request a licence for a licence that doesn’t exist yet? Not doubting your claim, it’s a question.

ongarite · 05-07-2020 11:44am

Holy ****, take this legal/illegal talk to the commuter forum.

For the money IMO it's not great.
13km stated range is probably 10km in real life conditions.
You can get a Mi 365 for not a huge amount more that will do twice the distance.
Mi 365 has a huge online maintenance, modding and spare parts community that makes it the e-scooter to own.

05-07-2020 12:15pm

ted1 wrote: »

No it’s not.

"On a roadway on which a traffic sign number RPC 001 [pedestrian crossing] has been provided, a pedestrian shall not cross the roadway within 15 metres of the crossing, except by the crossing."

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

Peregrine wrote:

Not comparable. Nobody gets fined for not using a pedestrian crossing while within 15 metres of one or crossing while the light is red. And the penalty is much less.

And there have been at most a handful of fines given out to thousands of people who use e-scooters. It is directly comparable because neither law is fully enforced.

05-07-2020 12:32pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

How can request a licence for a licence that doesn’t exist yet? Not doubting your claim, it’s a question.

Category A license is required. Not all vehicles have their very own category

Del2005 wrote: »

You can use them on private property which is defined as somewhere the public doesn't have access to.

That's not the definition of a public road or a public place.

grogi wrote: »

They aren't technically illegal. Practically illegal thought...

One can use them provided that insurance and tax are in order. Securing those is close to impossible..

And you have a license, lights, indicator's, horn or bell, etc.

Lots needed to make then legit options at the moment

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And there have been at most a handful of fines given out to thousands of people who use e-scooters. It is directly comparable because neither law is fully enforced.

There's been hundreds and you also have the inconveniences and cost of the scooter being seized.

BobCobb · 05-07-2020 12:45pm

123654789 wrote: »

It sounds very like another old legal quandary.

It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a Lidl, it's legal to sell it.

It's legal to scoot on it, but...but that dosen't matter, cause, get a load of this; all right, if you get stopped by a cop in Ireland, it's illegal for them to detain you. I mean that's a right the cops in Ireland don't have.

Oh, man, I'm gettin' one, that's all there is to it. I'm ****in' gettin' one.

mrcheez · 05-07-2020 1:15pm

Back to the original topic.

What's the warranty like on these?

That might make it attractive over the other options as Lidl are good at honouring warranties.

10km range is perfect for what I would use it for.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 1:28pm

mrcheez wrote: »

Back to the original topic.

What's the warranty like on these?

That might make it attractive over the other options as Lidl are good at honouring warranties.

10km range is perfect for what I would use it for.

A brief search on adverts told me there is far better value to be had from reputable brands with online reviews. I wouldn’t be in a hurry to buy this.

ibrahimovic · 05-07-2020 1:52pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/13/tv-presenter-emily-hartridge-dies-in-scooter-crash

Thargor · 05-07-2020 2:16pm

Why do people buy these compared to a decent bike?

-The bike doesnt care about rain or puddles, the scooter could be dead after one soaking.

-You can pass a decent bike on to your grandkids if you maintain it, they never let you down and if something goes wrong its an easy fix, the battery in these is degrading faster than a mobile phones every charge cycle then its into a skip and you're left with nothing.

-Even with moderate pedaling the bike is faster with way better range if you'e any way healthy, and it makes you fitter and healthier as you use it.

-Irish roads are a mess, you need big wheels for stability, tiny scooter wheels can fling you under a car if you hit a drain or pothole.

-The Guards arent going to seize your bike when they see you on it.

-Bikes can carry moderate loads of shopping etc.

-You can leave a bike locked outside while you work or shop and theres a good chance it will be there when you come back, not a hope with one of these.

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 2:28pm

Thargor wrote: »

Why do people buy these compared to a decent bike?

-The bike doesnt care about rain or puddles, the scooter could be dead after one soaking.

-You can pass a decent bike on to your grandkids if you maintain it, they never let you down and if something goes wrong its an easy fix, the battery in these is degrading faster than a mobile phones every charge cycle then its into a skip and you're left with nothing.

-Even with moderate pedaling the bike is faster with way better range if you'e any way healthy, and it makes you fitter and healthier as you use it.

-Irish roads are a mess, you need big wheels for stability, tiny scooter wheels can fling you under a car if you hit a drain or pothole.

-The Guards arent going to seize your bike when they see you on it.

-Bikes can carry moderate loads of shopping etc.

-You can leave a bike locked outside while you work or shop and theres a good chance it will be there when you come back, not a hope with one of these.

For us, a 2 and half mile distance between house and Luas. One phantom bus service which has left our childminder very unhappy with us trying to get back on time after work. We tried the bike on a fairly average bike to work scheme two years ago, before it got robbed it had its wheel jumped on left looking like a pringle. We looked into fold up bikes and they both expensive and not very compact. They piss a lot of Luas passengers off.

There are good reasons to buy these. I am concerned about safety issues and I’d rather not get something that is currently not legal, which also pisses a lot of people off.

Mongfinder General · 05-07-2020 2:35pm

Del2005 wrote: »

There's already a legal way for kids to get to schools by either walking, cycling or using a pedal assisted bicycle which are also much safer as they have bigger wheels. No need to buy an illegal vehicle for them, the exercise will do them good.

Where did I say that kids would be using scooters? The return to school doesn't just affect school goers on the roads. It affects anybody using the roads at that time.

Turbohymac · 05-07-2020 2:37pm

Yes there illegal as there a mechanically propelled vehicle full stop..and in most instances are being used in footpaths so whether gardai enforce or not ..if theres an accident you're in the wrong anyway.. other safety issues probably include children zipping around in them etc.. dangerous item full stop

Del2005 · 05-07-2020 2:55pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Where did I say that kids would be using scooters? The return to school doesn't just affect school goers on the roads. It affects anybody using the roads at that time.

Can adults not cycle or walk?

Higgins5473 · 05-07-2020 3:29pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Can adults not cycle or walk?

I thought his original point was quite clear, it wasn’t about the ethics of car, bike, e scooter, ebike and whatever else usage. It was highlighting that car usage is potentially going to cause an even worse gridlock than it was before come September as our already over capacity public transport system will be both limited in space and have people reluctant to use it.

I remember when the Luas strikes were on there were an awful lot of people using it to walk and recall a few people saying it was quite pleasant and not all that bad.

Maybe I’ll tweet Eamon Ryan suggesting it be covered up (with recycled material of course) and used as an urban green way for bikes and scooters only. I’m taking the piss but this would actually be far better in terms of cost saving, safer Covid wise and more beneficial for commuters because the Luas is practically useless at the moment and very empty.

Del2005 · 05-07-2020 4:24pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I thought his original point was quite clear, it wasn’t about the ethics of car, bike, e scooter, ebike and whatever else usage. It was highlighting that car usage is potentially going to cause an even worse gridlock than it was before come September as our already over capacity public transport system will be both limited in space and have people reluctant to use it.

I remember when the Luas strikes were on there were an awful lot of people using it to walk and recall a few people saying it was quite pleasant and not all that bad.

Maybe I’ll tweet Eamon Ryan suggesting it be covered up (with recycled material of course) and used as an urban green way for bikes and scooters only. I’m taking the piss but this would actually be far better in terms of cost saving, safer Covid wise and more beneficial for commuters because the Luas is practically useless at the moment and very empty.

The solution to public transport restrictions isn't to use illegal vehicles though. If they change the legislation then these will be a viable option for some people,i still think that a bicycle is a better option, but currently they are not.

The other issue with these is that people are taking them into their workplace. How many workplaces have suitable fire extinguishers?

Lidl e-scooter this week

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