Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

MFPM wrote: »

So you state (incorrectly) 'yes and no' and then essentially go one to acknowledge that it is the most widely accepted hypothesis.

Nothing incorrect about it. Did all the various human species originate from Africa? Currently that seems to be the best fit, though some contend Asia as another point of origin and/or major influence.

Evolution over historical time of course impacted but the central point remains - 'we're all of African descent.

We're all of fish descent too. Depends on the scales you're discussing. And nope, not "over historical time" :rolleyes:, far longer than that and even then traits can emerge quite rapidly depending on how heavy the environment selects for them. Blue eyes and blond hair are two examples which are "only" around 20,000 years old, tolerance to gluten and lactose and alcohol are younger again. Pale skin seems to have evolved a few times in a few human species(Neandertals could be pale with lighter hair, but with different genes involved compared to modern populations) and in the current modern Human populations. EG Asians have different pale genes to Europeans(Europeans got the crappier ones). The "we're all from Africa y'know" notion has become more of a sociopolitical belief and is monumentally simplistic.

If a gang is engaged in public anti social behaviour their colour is utterly irrelevant unless one wishes to try and link the anti social behaviour to their race/ethnicity whiich is of course why many here are discussing the matter including you.

A social group of teenagers engaged in anti social behavior for example? Again colour utterly irrelevant.

I love how apologists for multiculturalism are just as utterly blinkered when it comes to skin tone. The very reason this thread exists and the views expressed within is entirely down to skin colour. I don't recall any such discussions about Polish or Czech people living here. The very reason this conversation has been had in multicultural societies in Europe and elsewhere has skin colour as a major factor. Tell a Black lad from England or France that his colour is "utterly irrelevant" in how he is viewed by wider society and how he views it in return and watch him break his arse laughing at you. Denying such a major factor in a problem is a sure way to exacerbate it.

'Idiocy' is of course a matterof opinion. How do you define 'benefit'?

I'd prefer to hear what benefits you think it brings.

And then just to prove my point - you link social problems to multi-culturalism - Finglas, North Clondalkin, Cherry Orchard, Ballyfermot, Southhill, Moyross etc, etc - it was all those migrants causing the social problems :rolleyes:

Nope, I'm afraid not. I've repeatedly stated that all societies have existing social problems with a multitude of causes and that multiculturalism imports extra social problems that didn't exist before. So why import more, why add to existing and long standing and seemingly intractable social problems? Problems where we have the long running examples of every other European nation that has tried to walk this tightrope. This time it'll be different? Somehow the Irish will make it work? And yet here we are...

Lux23 wrote: »

Appalling crimes, but why are we examining the ethnicity of these kids - what difference does it make if the person who robs or attacks you is a different colour?

Because their colour could have a bearing on why this kinda thing goes on. EG in the case of White hooligans different reasons are given like lack of parental control, lower socioeconomic status etc. If Black kids are more likely to get up to no good because of how the fact that they are seen as different, have less wider societal support, are less likely to be accepted for jobs or education, less likely to feel part of wider society etc because of their colour then it's a pretty important factor. A Black youth, especially male is going to have a different experience to a White youth from the same area and background. This is a near given and one repeated in this experiment run in other European nations for decades. A straw poll of Black folks living in multicultural societies will be only to happy to tell you they feel this difference. Ignoring this and believing we're all colour blind on all sides seems both extremely naive and counterproductive to me.

Il Fascista wrote: »

The fact that it always come back to us being the ones who need to fix things is the very problem. It's never on them, and always on us.

Indeed. There's an element of White Guilt™ going on. There's also the pervasive multiculturalism is brilliant, "diversity" is ideal stuff at play. There's also - and I'd say it's the bulk of it - the genuine human decency factor going on too. We should treat guests well factor. However if you had guests you welcomed into your house that insisted on being a nuisance you'd show them the door.