Irish Naturalisation : processing time and final stage

SWL · 21-05-2009 4:40pm

procure11 wrote: »

I totally agree with you that it is a priviledge...anyone who thinks otherwise must be quite confused.
Having said that,because we agree it is a priviledge does not mean it should be inefficiently processed and sometimes unjustly.I personally find it very worrying that it takes 30 months to process a citizenship application for whatever reason at all.

When an application is submitted to the INIS,they basically check for 3 things:-

a) The applicants Immigration history ie their timeline in the state and whether they are actually who they claim to be and also to confirm that the applicant has resided in the state for the required minimum duration which is usually 5 years.

b) The applicants employment history ie to confirm that they have been gainfully employed for the duration of their stay ,so they require the applicant to submit their P60's etc.

c) To check their criminal background so as to determine that they have at least been of acceptable behaviour during their stay .

Imho,I dont see why it should take almost 3 years to effectively check the above.If we analyse this in terms of best practise,Ireland performs the worst in the OECD.In the UK it takes just 6 months,while in Canada it is sometimes as low as 3 months and so on and so forth.

For people who suggest that Ireland has enough citizens already so there would be no need naturalising any persons further..my responce would be simply ,while I understand where they are coming from but that is absolutely abysmal and outlandish...we live in the real world here ..you cannot eat your cake and have it and what is good for the goose is surely good for the gander,you cannot expect to be treated fairly as a foreigner in another country but decide not extend the same to immigrants in your country.

How’s does your country treat immigrants, and how long does it take to become a naturalized citizen in your country, of course you think its "abysmal and outlandish" it in your interest to view it that way.

Why exactly do you want to become an Irish citizen?

Irish people in other countries are there on visa, don't see them demanding citizenship in 30 months. If they are not there on a visa they should be deported. To suggest that immigrants are being unfairly treated in this country means you haven't lived in many others total BS. Where exactly do we draw the line, or do we continue to grant passports to people because they are requested and the subsequent effects on the SW payments as most may not find work and as citizens that would be entitled to it.

I have lived in many countries however I never expected that in perpetuity I should expect a visa, a job or an entitlement to citizenship, when my visa was up I was gone that the way the real world works,

As for the link regarding fees i have paid fees for visa in the past nothing is for free so get used to or If you’re not happy with it don’t apply

Mena · 21-05-2009 4:54pm

SWL wrote: »

How’s does your country treat immigrants, and how long does it take to become a naturalized citizen in your country, of course you think its "abysmal and outlandish" it in your interest to view it that way.

How is that relevant? Bottom line here is that the processing times are ridiculous. There is no way, based on the current numbers, it should take longer than 3 or 4 months.

SWL wrote: »

Why exactly do you want to become an Irish citizen?

I don't see how this is in any way relevant to the argument,a and frankly, none of your business.

SWL wrote: »

Irish people in other countries are there on visa, don't see them demanding citizenship in 30 months.

You're misstating the argument. Firstly, it's not citizenship in 30 months, it's possible citizenship in 96 months. Certainly not 30. People here are on visa's as well, what exactly is your point?

SWL wrote: »

If they are not there on a visa they should be deported. To suggest that immigrants are being unfairly treated in this country means you haven't lived in many others total BS.

You're trying to obfuscate the argument here again. Why strive to match the lowest common denominator? All we are looking for is a clear and transparent means to utilise the law as it stands.

SWL wrote: »

Where exactly do we draw the line, or do we continue to grant passports to people because they are requested and the subsequent effects on the SW payments as most may not find work and as citizens that would be entitled to it.

I sounds like you're saying no more citizens please. If that's where you're headed I personally cannot engage with you in this thread. It's totally unrealistic. Secondly, citizenship affords no added benefits i.r.o. social welfare that I am aware off. SW benefits are derived based on the habitual residency rules.

SWL wrote: »

I have lived in many countries however I never expected that in perpetuity I should expect a visa, a job or an entitlement to citizenship, when my visa was up I was gone that the way the real world works,

You're ignoring another aspect of migration, i.e. the permanent kind. Not all of us came here to make a quick buck and then move on, some of us made the decision to move permanently. We have fulfilled all criteria as currently stated by the law, and simply want due process. Being forced to wait an additional 30 months over and above the initial 60 simply so that INIS can perform three or four simple checks is ridiculous.

KINGVictor · 21-05-2009 4:56pm

SWL wrote: »

How’s does your country treat immigrants, and how long does it take to become a naturalized citizen in your country, of course you think its "abysmal and outlandish" it in your interest to view it that way.

Why exactly do you want to become an Irish citizen?

Irish people in other countries are there on visa, don't see them demanding citizenship in 30 months. If they are not there on a visa they should be deported. To suggest that immigrants are being unfairly treated in this country means you haven't lived in many others total BS. Where exactly do we draw the line, or do we continue to grant passports to people because they are requested and the subsequent effects on the SW payments as most may not find work and as citizens that would be entitled to it.

I have lived in many countries however I never expected that in perpetuity I should expect a visa, a job or an entitlement to citizenship, when my visa was up I was gone that the way the real world works,

As for the link regarding fees i have paid fees for visa in the past nothing is for free so get used to or If you’re not happy with it don’t apply

How his country treats immigrants is immaterial in the discussion,if he has resided in Ireland for five years legally ,he has every right to file for citizenship.it is common practise and irish citizens enjoy the same entitlements in other countries.

Why Does he want be an Irish citizen?...god what cheek...whats your business with that.Why are the thousands of Irish people in the USA seeking an amnesty...another codeword for asylum..thats very personal to each individual.Ireland is relatively a very prosperous country where they can live without any fear but yet they decide to stay there for personal reasons....not your business..not mine.And regarding your ranting about being well travelled and not contravening any immigration law...congratulations ..good for you..BUT the same cannot be said about the thousands of Irish in America,Canada and Australia living illegally

InFront · 21-05-2009 5:05pm

SWL I've just read the thread and despite what you seem to think nobody is countering an "automatic right" to citizenship. What applicants want is a fair and reasonable length of time to wait for a decisio to be made. Do you really think that this is so unreasonable in light of how Ireland compares to the UK or Australia in terms of naturalisation applications? Do you really think the system is benefiting either the Irish citizen as taxpayer or the applicant as taxpayer or the applicant as a ready willing and eager potential citizen?

Reading this thread, I am glad that my own dealings with the immigration services are over. I have been a citizen for over five years now and I can only say that every time I hear about or sometimes indirectly deal with the GNIB/ INIS through the applications of college friends or casual acquaintances I am convinced that this service is working for absolutely nobody, not applicants (successful or not) nor citizens.

Mort5000 · 21-05-2009 5:13pm

LawnMower Man wrote: »

Anyone know how long does it take for them to get Garda clearance and social welfare clearance? They say 3-6 months on the phone but my Wife been waiting 8 months (3 Years waiting in Total since she applied & 8 years living here in total) Also do they need some sort of social welfare report?

Mine took around 4 months, and that was at the beginning of this year.

The only advice I can give is that you forget about the application. Put it to the back of your mind and just treat the eventual arrival of THAT letter as a pleasant surprise.

No amount of questioning, whining, ranting, crying will change anything.

procure11 · 21-05-2009 5:19pm

Mort5000 wrote: »

Rephrase:

There is one department dealing with refugee asylum applications and naturalisation applications.
Due to the number of members of staff dealing with refugees seeking asylum, the number of members of staff dealing with naturalisation applications is lower.

So,
Yes,
All applications for naturalisation are dealt with in chronological order.
And,
All refugee asylum applications are dealt with a higher priority than application for naturalisation.

*breathe*

Thats False(once again).It is known as the Irish Nationalisation and immigration Service and like most Immigration Bodies in developed countries ,they are broken into different sections and in the case of INIS ,they have the

-Asylum section
-Visa section
-Citizenship section
_Eu Treaty rights

etc
You cannot be seriously suggesting that INIS would be so inept as to have such a dysfunctional organisational structure like the one you described.

Most of the delays are attributed to outside agencies like Gardai,Revenue,Social welfare so it has nothing to do with shortage of staff.The Staff/applicant ratio is still lower in ireland compared to the Uk so thats not a good enough excuse for the constant delays.

Mort5000 · 21-05-2009 5:38pm

procure11 wrote: »

Thats False(once again)

All of this is speculation, unless you work there?
I'm merely commenting from a) my personal experience and b) the reasons my lawyer gave me for the delays.

procure11 wrote: »

...You cannot be seriously suggesting that INIS would be so inept...

I wouldn't dream of it!
The performance speaks for itself.

procure11 wrote: »

Most of the delays are attributed to outside agencies like Gardai,Revenue,Social welfare so it has nothing to do with shortage of staff.The Staff/applicant ratio is still lower in ireland compared to the Uk so thats not a good enough excuse for the constant delays.

Oh... really?
Are you sure you don't work there?

Have a <unnamed carbonated drink> and a smile.

sovtek · 22-05-2009 9:25am

procure11 wrote: »

we live in the real world here ..you cannot eat your cake and have it and what is good for the goose is surely good for the gander,you cannot expect to be treated fairly as a foreigner in another country but decide not extend the same to immigrants in your country.

I totally agree with this. Unfortunately it is the policy of the government to do just that. All we have to do is look at the actions of the previous and immediate Taoiseach have lobbied the US goverment to treat Irish "illegals" in America better than everyone one else "illegally".

Nodin · 22-05-2009 10:18am

SWL wrote: »

Irish people in other countries are there on visa, don't see them demanding citizenship in 30 months. If they are not there on a visa they should be deported.

There's an estimated 30,000 Irish 'illegals' in the US and the Irish Government has tried to have them given an amnesty.

SWL · 24-05-2009 1:47am

Nodin wrote: »

There's an estimated 30,000 Irish 'illegals' in the US and the Irish Government has tried to have them given an amnesty.

So they should be deported if there illegally, all Irish people I know would say the same, because we have discussed it, your and other posters argument holds no water in my eyes just because Irish people live in other countries foreigners should be given citizenship or the numbers here can continue to grow in perpetuity, every country is entitled to control its boarders and decide citizenship rights. If Irish people are illegal they should be deported, so nice try but I and my Irish friends don’t care about Irish in USA.

Its always amazes me why all foreigners in Ireland are happy to tow the party line in relation to citizenship and immigration in general, certainly from viewing your posts you will agree with anybody who complains openly about the "racist Irish" or other immigration issues and I say this as a foreigner myself, do you ever look at the bigger picture and even try to see where Irish people are coming from.

Would I get naturalization in Nigeria as a Scandinavian male, how much would it cost officially or unofficially, would I get a job, and how would I be treated, on this threads and others a lot of people from other countries are very quick to judge Ireland and criticize when their country of origin is a lot worse in many many ways.

I have lived here for years almost 15, having lived with Irish lads in Australia, so I have a lot of Irish friends who discuss all political issues.

Many of them are growing tired of listening to discussion about how the country is governed and PC issues; the Irish are in other country etc.

If USA, Canada and Australia produce citizenship faster than Ireland then you backed the wrong house if that s what you came for, if you came for work and an easy lifestyle you made the correct decision, so best of luck trying to get access to the USA post 911.

The process may take longer then you want but that is one of the countries characteristic and probably no longer than your own country.

Also a lot of posters seem to suggest that the GNIB are not transparent that is stretching creditability.

SWL · 24-05-2009 1:56am

sovtek wrote: »

I totally agree with this. Unfortunately it is the policy of the government to do just that. All we have to do is look at the actions of the previous and immediate Taoiseach have lobbied the US goverment to treat Irish "illegals" in America better than everyone one else "illegally".

You have been badly treated, I don't think so, just because you didn't get the passport you from previous posts pretty much demanded, good to have someone like you in Ireland, if you don't like here trying getting your passport in another country like USA or Canada or better go to Australia and see how the authorities will treat you there, I am sure you did well out of Ireland if you didn't you wouldn't stay here, you are owed nothing like me no one is keeping us here we can go any time we want.

As for the illegal Irish refer to my pervious post most Irish people saw that fro what it was Bertie acting like a knob nothing new there, all my Irish friends suggest that they are deported

Nodin · 24-05-2009 10:48am

SWL wrote: »

So they(....)USA.

You stated

Irish people in other countries are there on visa, don't see them demanding citizenship in 30 months

I was just pointing out how utterly incorrect you were. Theres also Irish "illegals" in Australia and NZ, but I've no idea how many.

SWL wrote: »

Its always amazes me (................) creditability.[/font]

I was born here, chuckles, some 40 years ago. So were my parents, grandparents etc back on down to time immemorial. I thus find it most amusing that you, a self admitted "Foreigner" are both labelling me one and claiming to be speaking for me......"try to see where Irish people are coming from".....thats a good one that is.

Kotek Besar · 24-05-2009 10:57am

There's no one as Irish as Barack Obama.

Serenity Now! · 24-05-2009 11:09am

SWL wrote: »

So they should be deported if there illegally, all Irish people I know would say the same, because we have discussed it, your and other posters argument holds no water in my eyes just because Irish people live in other countries foreigners should be given citizenship or the numbers here can continue to grow in perpetuity, every country is entitled to control its boarders and decide citizenship rights. If Irish people are illegal they should be deported, so nice try but I and my Irish friends don’t care about Irish in USA

You and these pals of yours are making the same old mistake in discussing immigration and illegal immigration as the same subject with identical causes and effects.
It was you who brought up the Irish abroad in the first place and you who took the tired old moral relativism route by asking someone how their country treats immigrants :rolleyes:

KINGVictor · 24-05-2009 8:28pm

SWL wrote: »

So they should be deported if there illegally, all Irish people I know would say the same, because we have discussed it, your and other posters argument holds no water in my eyes just because Irish people live in other countries foreigners should be given citizenship or the numbers here can continue to grow in perpetuity, every country is entitled to control its boarders and decide citizenship rights. If Irish people are illegal they should be deported, so nice try but I and my Irish friends don’t care about Irish in USA.

Its always amazes me why all foreigners in Ireland are happy to tow the party line in relation to citizenship and immigration in general, certainly from viewing your posts you will agree with anybody who complains openly about the "racist Irish" or other immigration issues and I say this as a foreigner myself, do you ever look at the bigger picture and even try to see where Irish people are coming from.

Would I get naturalization in Nigeria as a Scandinavian male, how much would it cost officially or unofficially, would I get a job, and how would I be treated, on this threads and others a lot of people from other countries are very quick to judge Ireland and criticize when their country of origin is a lot worse in many many ways.

I have lived here for years almost 15, having lived with Irish lads in Australia, so I have a lot of Irish friends who discuss all political issues.

Many of them are growing tired of listening to discussion about how the country is governed and PC issues; the Irish are in other country etc.

If USA, Canada and Australia produce citizenship faster than Ireland then you backed the wrong house if that s what you came for, if you came for work and an easy lifestyle you made the correct decision, so best of luck trying to get access to the USA post 911.

The process may take longer then you want but that is one of the countries characteristic and probably no longer than your own country.

Also a lot of posters seem to suggest that the GNIB are not transparent that is stretching creditability.

Thats the opinion of your friends and yourself but not the policy of the Irish government that represents you.They have been actively convassing for amnesty for the illegal Irish people because they feel it would be in the interest of the Irish state or else they would not extensively lobby for them.

The belief of your friends and you holds very little bearing on public opinion and more importantly Government policy.

SWL · 25-05-2009 9:13am

Nodin wrote: »

You stated

I was just pointing out how utterly incorrect you were. Theres also Irish "illegals" in Australia and NZ, but I've no idea how many.

I was born here, chuckles, some 40 years ago. So were my parents, grandparents etc back on down to time immemorial. I thus find it most amusing that you, a self admitted "Foreigner" are both labelling me one and claiming to be speaking for me......"try to see where Irish people are coming from".....thats a good one that is.

To borrow a saying you use yourself have you any proof or statistics on the illegal Irish in Australia and NZ, because I have never met them, also I am sure (I could be incorrect) you have stated you are Nigerian on other posts.

As for speaking on your behalf as an Irish person, you're views in my experience don't represent the majority you and I both know that.

SWL · 25-05-2009 9:22am

Serenity Now! wrote: »

You and these pals of yours are making the same old mistake in discussing immigration and illegal immigration as the same subject with identical causes and effects.
It was you who brought up the Irish abroad in the first place and you who took the tired old moral relativism route by asking someone how their country treats immigrants :rolleyes:

Incorrect I responded to the tiresome one horse argument of the Irish exist in other countries. I think it is a fair question to ask, how would an Irish person be treated in the country of origin

After all the poster did say what is good for the goose is good for the gander and that was my point if that is the case how would Irish people be treated in other countries no better and no worse?

By some post you would think immigrants were badly treated and that is incorrect, there is more harmony here than anywhere else in Europe even in Sweden, immigrants should openly acknowledge that instead of always painting an inaccurate picture

Nodin · 25-05-2009 9:41am

SWL wrote: »

To borrow a saying you use yourself have you any proof or statistics on the illegal Irish in Australia and NZ,.

I believe I said I had none.....

SWL wrote: »

because I have never met them,,.

I never met a Maori. Do they not exist either?

SWL wrote: »

also I am sure (I could be incorrect) you have stated you are Nigerian on other posts.,,.

Ahahahahaha....O you're a good one, you are. I never stated any such thing - even for comic effect to wind up Nigero-phobes.

Do you check under your bed for them?

25-05-2009 9:50am

sovtek wrote: »

I totally agree with this. Unfortunately it is the policy of the government to do just that. All we have to do is look at the actions of the previous and immediate Taoiseach have lobbied the US goverment to treat Irish "illegals" in America better than everyone one else "illegally".

sovtek,it always amuses me when I see a U.S passport holder being grilled at the garda desks for non EU passports at Dublin airport.
I just find it amusing that we'd want to keep them out.

I can understand that approach being taken towards non EU economic refugee's from poor countries.

As for the Irish Govt lobbying in the states for our citizens...Isn't that their job?They are elected to represent Irish people.
If they do an effective job in getting the illegal irish some status in the states,then they have done it well.
It's not our fault that other countries don't lobby as good as the Irish do in other lands.
It's their countries fault for not putting the case as well as we do.
It's their fault.
You can't call the Irish hypocrites for only having a mandate for their own electorate/diaspora.

Nodin · 25-05-2009 10:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

I just find it amusing that we'd want to keep them out.

....obviously the thought of having cheese on everything, NASCAR as the national sport and white shiny teeth flashing at you from every gob doesn't fill you with the same terror as it does the custodians of our borders.....

abc_ · 16-07-2009 10:58am

I think it is time to improve the GNIB immigration office service as the application processing time exceeding 3 years for Naturalisation and LTR is not to be tolerated and humiliates the rights of legally employed immigrants (compared to UK where Naturalisation is guaranteed and takes 3 months only).

Could we do anything to push this stupid and painful situation with Irish immigration system processing times further?

Abed · 09-09-2009 9:55am

procure11 wrote: »

I love Boards.ie,I'm literarily addicted to it.It never ceases to amaze me how people just make up stories to accentuate their points...but I suppose because it is a faceless medium we are bound to be subjected to a lot of nonsense but that's what makes it fun.

Abed,I can categorically tell you that your statements about two jobless people getting their citizenship processed in 8 months( and was successful) is definitely and absolutely false.

I understand that when it comes to some issues some people have extraordinary convictions and would go to any length to prove their points,but this one went beyond the line.

With Due respect, I used to work with a national migrant support NGO and the two cases are ones worked on by my colleagues ( they actually filled their applications) at the time in 2008. one in Galway and one in Dublin.

walrusgumble · 06-10-2009 8:56am

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IEHC/2009/H354.html

above is the courts attitude towards applicants going to court forcing the minister to stop delaying. One will need to show reasons over and above other people's circumstances in order to be fast tracked. this may be difficult

fattypatty · 03-02-2010 4:15pm

And now since work to rule/strikes happening in public sector....we can kiss the processing time goodbye to more than 3 years now

Mort5000 · 03-02-2010 4:30pm

fattypatty wrote: »

And now since work to rule/strikes happening in public sector....we can kiss the processing time goodbye to more than 3 years now

I feel your pain.

For me, the only way I managed to deal with the delay was forget about the application altogether.
I eventually received a surprise phone call from my lawyer, telling me that the process was complete, and life rolled on.

fattypatty · 07-02-2010 10:50pm

Mort5000 wrote: »

I feel your pain.

For me, the only way I managed to deal with the delay was forget about the application altogether.
I eventually received a surprise phone call from my lawyer, telling me that the process was complete, and life rolled on.

how long have you been waiting from application to decision man?

Mort5000 · 08-02-2010 6:32am

fattypatty wrote: »

how long have you been waiting from application to decision man?

I applied in July-2005 and had the certificate of naturalisation in my hand in December-2008.

simonj · 08-02-2010 1:07pm

I dont get it, people who contribute to the state, have not broken any laws, who live and work here and just want to get on in life and take the proper legal rute to citizenship seem to get a load of crap.

Those who defraud, lie and bend the system with false RSI numbers etc get away with it

Again, something needs to be reformed and no established party has a clear idea about pragmatic reform

amhrannua.com

salem66 · 10-02-2010 8:32pm

Yesterday I went to renew my residence permit at Garda National Immigration Bureau, 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2. And after a very long waiting the immigration officer refused to renew my residence permit and he said they still have not received any instruction regarding the IBC/05 scheme. However, The Irish Naturalisation & Immigration Service announced that on the 17th of December 2009 (http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PB09000197) that “An arrangement has been put in place for the further renewal of permission to remain in the State to non-nationals who are the parents of an Irish born child, born in the State before 1 January 2005, who were initially granted permission to remain in the State under the Irish Born Child Scheme, 2005 (IBC/05) and who were subsequently granted further permission to remain under the IBC Renewals Scheme, 2007”.

I do not know exactly where that arrangement!! As you know both the Garda National Immigration Bureau and the department of IBC/05 are sharing the same building (13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2). It looks that the government departments do not talk to each other even if they share the same building!!

The parents of Irish born children granted leave to remain here under 2005 scheme still face an uncertain future, as there is no visibility in the scheme. If I remember back in January 2007 The Minister for Justice, Mr Michael McDowell announced that the parents of Irish born children granted permission to remain in the State for an initial period of 2 years and those permissions now fall to be renewed for periods of up to three years at which stage those qualifying will be eligible to apply for full citizenship. (http://www.newtotown.ie/forum/living-ireland/leave-remain-non-national-parents-irish-born-child-435.html). However the current The Minister for Justice made a U-turn in the IBC/05 scheme by renewing the permission for a period of up to three years only and not application for irish citizenship!!

Most parents of the Irish born children granted leave to remain here under the 2005 scheme are highly educated and professionals but, still treated very badly by the current government. Some of them they can not plan for thier future e.g. buying a house or establishing business as they live with uncertainty regarding their status in the state, simply we are in a limbo!!

Best regards,
Ali

salem66 · 10-02-2010 8:43pm

The Non-national are still treated very badly by the current government. And the current government will pay a very high price for the bad treatment as more and more Non-national become Irish nation by naturisation (~ 5000 every year) and those peopel will NOT support this government in any local or general election:D.

Best regards,
Ali

salem66 · 15-02-2010 2:29pm

abc_ wrote: »

Could we do anything to push this stupid and painful situation with Irish immigration system processing times further?

Yes, dear we can do alot of things to push this stupid and painful situation with Irish immigration system processing times

To get the Irish Naturalisation in to the (Gunnies record;)) as it is the longest Naturalisation process in the world (3-4 YEARS)

I think that will humiliate this Government:mad:

What you think:)

ayumi · 18-02-2010 11:27pm

i called them and they were closed but also they said they were looking at applications of july 2006 ,but in the website they say they ae looking at july 2008?

so i dont understand this,also why does it take a long time to look at applications but this is probable due to huge amounts of application being accumlated.
but cant they take like for example , for 4 months 2006 application & reply to them after this and then they take 2007 and look at them and reply in 5 months and so on...

Boskowski · 19-02-2010 12:39pm

SWL wrote: »

Why should a population you clearly don't respect and clearly despise award you citizenship, simply because you asked for it?
Citizenship you will find is highly though of by the Irish population, and rightly so, checks should be carried out until the State (the individuals elected by the Irish citizens to administer policy in Ireland interest) are satisfied, your posts are full of the victim mentality, I think you are more interested in getting the passport rather than interest in integration or love of Ireland or respect for the Irish population.

The process might take time due to checks, and I as a citizen have no problem with that, Irish passports should not be handed out like confetti. It is a privilege and not a right. While you don't agree with Mr Lenihan clearly based on a basis view he is an elected official to the Dail with responsibility to look and the wider implications of citizenship and that is what he is doing.

Get off your high horse man.
We're past those days when we bask in the glory of our proud fatherland and such. We're all in the EU now and where you chose to live and what authorities you answer to is mostly an administrative technicality these days.
The process of naturalization - once eligible - should be most of all transparent. It should not depend on some fkn eejit in some office and whatever moodswing he's having the day my papers land on his desk.
And once I live and pay my taxes here for more than 5 years I'm bloody entitled to rant on about the incompetent, corrupt government, Kerry people and the gob****e who lives next door as much the next guy.

Edit: And for the record. I'm not Irish, I'm a long time resident, but I'm also not seeking citizenship. But not because I disrespect the Irish or Ireland, quite the opposite, but because I can't see the point. I do, however, have an opinion on what I think is unfair treatment of people who do see a point and qualify just as much as I would.

Urstruly · 23-02-2010 10:58pm

My application was approved 2years and 4 months ago, i called the citizenship department in last November and they said i should be hearing from them in January (this yr) I havent received any news from them. ive tried calling for the past 2week (tue n Thurs) but they are not answering their phones coz of the strike of civial servants.

Fair enough there have to be checks etc but 2 plus years is a Joke infairness and no amount of explanation can make me think otherwise.
Its ok for the self righteous irish ppl to say Its fair its fair! 2 years is a really long time of waiting! ITs annoying its unfair and its really getting up my goat! I wish they would let ppl know where they stand instead of leaving them in limbo! this has to end! serioulsy!

Mort5000 · 24-02-2010 6:35am

Urstruly wrote: »

My application was approved 2years and 4 months ago, i called the citizenship department in last November and they said i should be hearing from them in January (this yr) I havent received any news from them. ive tried calling for the past 2week (tue n Thurs) but they are not answering their phones coz of the strike of civial servants.

Fair enough there have to be checks etc but 2 plus years is a Joke infairness and no amount of explanation can make me think otherwise.
Its ok for the self righteous irish ppl to say Its fair its fair! 2 years is a really long time of waiting! ITs annoying its unfair and its really getting up my goat! I wish they would let ppl know where they stand instead of leaving them in limbo! this has to end! serioulsy!

Did you mean that your application was submitted over two years ago?
Are you certain that they have your correct address?
You can write to them too. In the past I've had a good response when using simple post.

SWL · 24-02-2010 12:44pm

realcam wrote: »

Get off your high horse man.
We're past those days when we bask in the glory of our proud fatherland and such. We're all in the EU now and where you chose to live and what authorities you answer to is mostly an administrative technicality these days.
The process of naturalization - once eligible - should be most of all transparent. It should not depend on some fkn eejit in some office and whatever moodswing he's having the day my papers land on his desk.
And once I live and pay my taxes here for more than 5 years I'm bloody entitled to rant on about the incompetent, corrupt government, Kerry people and the gob****e who lives next door as much the next guy.

Edit: And for the record. I'm not Irish, I'm a long time resident, but I'm also not seeking citizenship. But not because I disrespect the Irish or Ireland, quite the opposite, but because I can't see the point. I do, however, have an opinion on what I think is unfair treatment of people who do see a point and qualify just as much as I would.

I am not Irish, I am entitled to claim Irish citizenship, however unlike the majority it would hypocritical of me as I am NOT Irish.

You clearly no nothing about the procedures for naturalization in this country suggesting that it depends on the mood of an officer proves this, if that were the case I think the system/Irish courts would be overwhelmed with appeals, and the post you quoted was in response to someone who didn’t understand them either.

So maybe you should get off your high horse and read the post in context
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Kotek Besar · 24-02-2010 12:52pm

SWL wrote: »

I am not Irish, I am entitled to claim Irish citizenship,

Which means one of your grandparents was born on this island.

SWL wrote: »

however unlike the majority it would hypocritical of me as I am NOT Irish.

Interesting viewpoint. I'm not sure how many others would think it hypocritical to claim something to which you are entitled.

SWL · 24-02-2010 1:02pm

Kotek Besar wrote: »

Which means one of your grandparents was born on this island.

Interesting viewpoint. I'm not sure how many others would think it hypocritical to claim something to which you are entitled.

Although I have been tax resident in Ireland for 10 years with periods aboard for work up to 6 months at a time, so I understand Ireland or Irish People I think pretty well.

However I am not Irish I was educated and living in a different (western) culture, I still see things through that prism. Personally I am still a guest here and happy to go with the flow, if I was not happy here I would persuade my partner and leave, how much longer I stay I have no clue.

I love Ireland and its people, but for me to say Irish because I collect my Irish passport would simply be incorrect.

Mort5000 · 24-02-2010 1:26pm

SWL wrote: »

for me to say Irish because I collect my Irish passport would simply be incorrect.

But you're European right?
I.e. you don't have to renew work visas year after year and endure a fun filled day at GNIB at regular intervals?

Urstruly · 24-02-2010 2:47pm

Mort5000 wrote: »

Did you mean that your application was submitted over two years ago?
Are you certain that they have your correct address?
You can write to them too. In the past I've had a good response when using simple post.

Yeah i lodged my application about OCt 2007 after, i think; two weeks i received a letter saying that my application has been aknowledged. Yeah they have my correct address coz i wrote to them when i changed it and they replied to my new address so yeah they have the correct address. When i called them in november last yr they said my application had been "sent for decesion and that i will hear form them by the first week in jan 2010 the latest"
The reason i'm anxious to hear from them is that my friends and i are thinking of going on a J1 in june and it would really be a shame if i missed out. I'm not from the EU and the process of getting to the USA with my current Travel Document would be a Nightmare to say the least.

Urstruly · 24-02-2010 2:51pm

I'll try writting them but as they are on strike chances are many ppl have written to them and they might not even reply. but i'll do that nonetheless. thanks

manasa · 10-03-2010 10:48am

I was wondering if you could help me, anyone with answers and ideas would be good. I moved with my family here to Ireland about 5years ago when I was 14yrs old. My mother was granted leave to remain on Irish born child which i was also able to get the same stamp 4 visa, I did all my secondary school education here in Ireland. I have been working here for more than 5yrs as well as going to school. In 2006 i decided to enter full time employment while i studied part time, and in 2008 i lost my job, but luckily in january of 2009 i got another one but only on contract of 3month which was later extended for another one month. But since then i have not been able to gain another employment, I am now currently writing my final year thesis in my course. I applied for my citizenship in Feb 0f 2008 with all necessary document, about 4 p21 stating have worked since i turned 16 in the country. But i recently got a letter frm the department of citizenship asking me to send in recent payslips and copy of bank statement for the last 3months...which i do not have but i called tax office and was told they wld be able to send me p21 for last year cause i had worked. I am worried my application might be rejected if i dont have the other two document. Dont know if to send it in, i tried calling yesterday but could nt get thru, pls anybody with advise on what to do. I am so worried that all the years of work for may not be considered..Thank you,, all advice welcome

sideshowsue · 10-03-2010 5:24pm

manasa wrote: »

I was wondering if you could help me, anyone with answers and ideas would be good. I moved with my family here to Ireland about 5years ago when I was 14yrs old. My mother was granted leave to remain on Irish born child which i was also able to get the same stamp 4 visa, I did all my secondary school education here in Ireland. I have been working here for more than 5yrs as well as going to school. In 2006 i decided to enter full time employment while i studied part time, and in 2008 i lost my job, but luckily in january of 2009 i got another one but only on contract of 3month which was later extended for another one month. But since then i have not been able to gain another employment, I am now currently writing my final year thesis in my course. I applied for my citizenship in Feb 0f 2008 with all necessary document, about 4 p21 stating have worked since i turned 16 in the country. But i recently got a letter frm the department of citizenship asking me to send in recent payslips and copy of bank statement for the last 3months...which i do not have but i called tax office and was told they wld be able to send me p21 for last year cause i had worked. I am worried my application might be rejected if i dont have the other two document. Dont know if to send it in, i tried calling yesterday but could nt get thru, pls anybody with advise on what to do. I am so worried that all the years of work for may not be considered..Thank you,, all advice welcome

You'll get better advice from this forum: http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewforum.php?f=34

Bottom line is that the worst thing you can do is to claim social welfare. The naturalisation service looks on this disfavourably and it generally results in the rejection of the application.

fattypatty · 10-03-2010 9:07pm

manasa wrote: »

I was wondering if you could help me, anyone with answers and ideas would be good. I moved with my family here to Ireland about 5years ago when I was 14yrs old. My mother was granted leave to remain on Irish born child which i was also able to get the same stamp 4 visa, I did all my secondary school education here in Ireland. I have been working here for more than 5yrs as well as going to school. In 2006 i decided to enter full time employment while i studied part time, and in 2008 i lost my job, but luckily in january of 2009 i got another one but only on contract of 3month which was later extended for another one month. But since then i have not been able to gain another employment, I am now currently writing my final year thesis in my course. I applied for my citizenship in Feb 0f 2008 with all necessary document, about 4 p21 stating have worked since i turned 16 in the country. But i recently got a letter frm the department of citizenship asking me to send in recent payslips and copy of bank statement for the last 3months...which i do not have but i called tax office and was told they wld be able to send me p21 for last year cause i had worked. I am worried my application might be rejected if i dont have the other two document. Dont know if to send it in, i tried calling yesterday but could nt get thru, pls anybody with advise on what to do. I am so worried that all the years of work for may not be considered..Thank you,, all advice welcome

In this case what you can do is setup a company or register yourself for income tax purposes and show that you are self employed and not PAYE employed. (PAYE employee is when you get a job to work for someone). this means you are going to be showing tax returns to revenue on monthly basis. (e.g. Manasa earned 400 euros in February fixing computers or cleaning windows and in that period he paid 21% to the govnerment or wateva is owed). As far as the INIS is concerned they need the proper AUDITED accounts which you can get from a registered accountant which you can hire to do your accounts. Meaning you are paying the government tax which you are not earning in the first place....but still paying tax.

make sense? talk to an accountant in this matter. also you are wasting your time ringing them as most of the public sector is on work to rule.

Rye · 18-09-2010 7:29pm

../i applied for naturalisation in june 2009- how long does it take to get a response ?

ostrich · 06-11-2010 2:23pm

How long does it take for people with refugee status to get their certificate?

nara77 · 11-03-2011 12:17pm

hI, I applied for the naturalisation through marriage in october 2009. I never worked -just my husband works ..
I just got a letter asking me to send a prove that me and my husband r living together( bills,bank statements for the last 3 months..). Did anyone ever got this kind of letters? what does it mean? We did send them all our bank statements and bills for the last 6 months when I applied-but why they r asking me again?

Kotek Besar · 11-03-2011 1:55pm

nara77 wrote: »

but why they r asking me again?

To make sure you're still together.

sammy1301 · 01-09-2011 10:54pm

nara77 wrote: »

hI, I applied for the naturalisation through marriage in october 2009. I never worked -just my husband works ..
I just got a letter asking me to send a prove that me and my husband r living together( bills,bank statements for the last 3 months..). Did anyone ever got this kind of letters? what does it mean? We did send them all our bank statements and bills for the last 6 months when I applied-but why they r asking me again?

hi
my sister just got her naturalization she got a letter just like u she posted the papers they need and few days letter she got a letter of confirming her naturalization so it s a sign of getting ur naturalization u dont have to worry about anything if u have ur name and ur husband s name on the bills good luck

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