Moriarty wrote: » Why would you apply for citizenship in the first place if the administration of the country is so anathema to you that you've lost all respect for the countries people? Why do you expect to be granted citizenship if you have such distaste for the state and people?
sovtek wrote: » The waiting times for LTR and citizenship are the largest obstacles to integration for immigrants. Why would I respect a population and want to integrate whose government treats me like a slave to a work permit. An EU directive states that it must take no more than six months to process naturalisation once the requisit timeframe has elapsed. Unfortunately the UK and Ireland are exempt from this directive. One wonders why.
SWL wrote: » It is a privilege and not a right.
RedPlanet wrote: » Actually you are wrong. It is a right not a privilege, and so it should be.
SWL wrote: » It a right is it like to explain why
Serenity Now! wrote: » Regardless of your view of a country, if you fulfill the criteria to qualify for citizenship it is your RIGHT to claim it.
SWL wrote: » The procedure put in place by the elected representatives of this country appears not to be fast enough for the poster, the criteria has not been meet in the eyes of the Gardi and Officials, but that is a mass racial conspiracy against him by the people of Ireland & their elected officials
SWL wrote: » If you are going to exercise a right, maybe you should exercise a bit of gratitude to the citizenships who are putting you in a better position than you would be without it. Ireland is not a colonial power in my eyes it is a privilege, if we were a colonial power it would be a right.
Serenity Now! wrote: » [/color] Yes maybe there is, in their eyes but the quote below is equally as ill-informed (not to mention OTT in melodrama). It is a right to anyone who qualifies for it. Plain and simple. Colonialism has eff all to do with this.
SWL wrote: » In my eyes it’s a privilege, if there wasn't an advantage in having it, individuals won't apply for an Irish passport
SWL wrote: » Are you seriously suggesting that members of the GNIB are actively delaying applications for citizenship, It sounds like there are doing their job, making sure that all criteria are meet and double checking individuals for criminal and other actives, nothing wrong with that standard practice in most western countries.
Vica wrote: » I think it is time to improve the GNIB immigration office service as the application processing time exceeding 3 years for Naturalisation and LTR is not to be tolerated and humiliates the rights of legally employed immigrants (compared to UK where Naturalisation is guaranteed and takes 3 months only). Rather than approaching the minister personally, I would suggest to approach through the HR of large/mid-size companies so that they could contact the ministry and formulate that this is extra burden for companies to maintain workpermits, associated budgetary costs, and difficulties in recruiting and retaining employees as they leave to work in another countries when realise those difficulties. Large companies are very concerned when it comes to the process of employing non-EU people. If we were to make this mock-up letter here, what would be the best format for it? Any legal / HR experts in here?
fattypatty wrote: » hi fellas, listen, does any1 knows what does "good character" means when it comes to naturalization ... (as it states in the conditions that you have to be off good character)... i know that u should not have committed a crime and never had claimed social welfare...but does penalty points on your driving license considered to be of a bad character and in turns disqualify you from naturalization?
sovtek wrote: » I think typically anything under the Road Traffic Act is not considered against you. At the end of the day they can do anything they want though.
walrusgumble wrote: » sir, you have a right to make an application. you also have a right to a expidient and fair decision in interest of fair and natural justice, however, under no circumstances does one have a right to citizenship or to claim it as there is no automatic right to citizenship. please refer to the actual legislation which makes clear, that it is the minister and only the minister (for justice) who decides who is to be granted citizenship
Serenity Now! wrote: » *sigh* If you believe that a single Minister sits there sifting through the entire and signing a backlog of passport applications then so be it. Back in the real world, try reading what I posted. If you fulfil criteria, it is your right to claim (apply/call-it-what-you-bloody-well-pedantically-will).
walrusgumble wrote: » I never said the minister himself sits down and goes through all the applications. if you actually read my last couple of posts referring to transferring civil servants over to the department and in particular INIS. But sure, you wouldn't want little details get in the way would we
Serenity Now! wrote: » Hmmm..."it is the minister and only the minister (for justice) who decides who is to be granted citizenship" Hardly the same as having last say if need be :rolleyes: If you fulfil the relevant criteria, you have a right to go for citizenship. It really is that simple, y'know.
maninasia wrote: » +1We don't need to know the views of applicants for citizenship, unless you want to live in a facist state. We just need to know do they qualify or not according to their criteria.I'm an Irishman resident in another country, married to a foreign citizen and it saddens me to see the way applications for citizenship are being delayed, perhaps deliberately. If the government had only put in a proper system like Canada, Australia etc. it could have avoided this type of mess years ago and would have no excuse for the sorry state of current imigration policy and almost every other policy they have instigated since 2002 or so.
Novanta wrote: » - for a more practical understanding of the processing time, its variability depending on specific cases, and evolution in time, could those who have recently got news and instructions to complete the final stage of the process let us know when they had applied, and when they reached the final stage ?
"A person in the position of the first named applicant (non-EU male) who is married to an non Irish citizen of a European Union Member State is entitled under European Law to have an application for permission to remain in the State determined by the first named respondent (DoJ) within six months. The failure by the first named respondent (DoJ) to determine applications in respect of Irish citizens as quickly as those in respect of non Irish citizens of EU member states is irrational, disproportionate and ultra vires. Because the first named applicant is not entitled to work until a positive decision is made on his application the second named applicant is obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of her duties in the home. That state of affairs is in contravention of Article 41 of the Constitution of Ireland and of Articles 8 and 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, so say the applicants. "
"As I have not found that the first named respondent has been guilty of unreasonable and unconscionable delay to date, and as a decision is imminent and is likely to be given within the bounds of what is reasonable, it is not necessary for me to consider the separation of powers issue or indeed the question as to whether or not mandamus would have been an appropriate remedy in this case. For the reasons outlined I will dismiss the application. I will hear arguments with respect to costs. "
SWL wrote: » Citizenship you will find is highly though of by the Irish population, and rightly so, checks should be carried out until the State (the individuals elected by the Irish citizens to administer policy in Ireland interest) are satisfied, your posts are full of the victim mentality, I think you are more interested in getting the passport rather than interest in integration or love of Ireland or respect for the Irish population. The process might take time due to checks, and I as a citizen have no problem with that, Irish passports should not be handed out like confetti. It is a privilege and not a right. While you don't agree with Mr Lenihan clearly based on a basis view he is an elected official to the Dail with responsibility to look and the wider implications of citizenship and that is what he is doing.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Does naturalisation give an EU citizen more rights in Ireland than they already have. It seems like a lot of hassle for little gain.
SWL wrote: » When anybody like myself debates with the multicultural brigade that a green card system should be in place they are branded racists.So no wonder no politician wants to touch that oneBasising your opinion on the GNIB that they are purposely delaying the applicant for individuals is a very serious statement, and a basis one, particularity when you are hearing the side of the applicant – but then no point in letting little details like facts and checks being carried out to get in the way
maninasia wrote: » I'll not pretend to be an expert but it does look like a deliberate delay...the checks required would not even take 6 months let alone 2 years...I need to see the average processing time to make a firm conclusion.
