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Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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    #392
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Rose window is almost certainly lost. :( A thousand years gone up in smoke. Thankfully we have a scary level of information about every piece in the place and it can be rebuilt and will even reignite old skills mixed with the latest as it is being rebuilt.

    Completely laser mapped a couple of years ago wasn't it.


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    #393
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Rose window is almost certainly lost. :( A thousand years gone up in smoke. Thankfully we have a scary level of information about every piece in the place and it can be rebuilt and will even reignite old skills mixed with the latest as it is being rebuilt.

    The skill of working in stained glass is still very much in plentiful supply. The only thing that would stop them being restored would be the cost and I don't think that will be a factor for this particular building.


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    #394
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Bollocks, they should just throw up a shopping mall or a mega starbucks there.
    Understandable reply as one suspects those would be more your speed.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #395
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    touts wrote: »
    Unless someone saw it start and was able to say precisely what happened it's too early to say. I'd imagine there has to be an investigation which will take some time. All they can do for tonight is keep saying it was probably an accident to stop idiots burning down every mosque in Paris.

    If it was Jihadi Arson, it would drive a civil war.


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    #396
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Even when it is restored, it won't be the same


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    #397
    1641
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    Anteayer wrote:
    I'd say it's almost definitely an accidental issue. Sadly those buildings tend to go up very quickly because of the huge open space and the structures being so dependent on the roof.


    Nothing confirmed obviously, but on the tv they are speculating that its related to the ongoing restoration work on the roof.


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    #398
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,077 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    branie2 wrote: »
    Even when it is restored, it won't be the same

    No, never.
    :(


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    #399
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Understandable reply as one suspects those would be more your speed.

    Come on, it's AH.
    No one was killed!

    It's not a tragedy, really.
    a lot worse has happened in the last few months.


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    #400
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    I'm sure it will be restored to its former glory.

    One of the things being reported a lot on French media is that quite a lot of the artworks and even the external statues had been temporarily removed for conservation work. So a lot of the artwork has been inadvertently saved.


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    #401
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Incredible to think it was an iconic place in the early 1400's and we lost it tonight.

    DT738.jpg


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    #402
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,807 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Come on, it's AH.
    No one was killed!

    It's not a tragedy, really.
    a lot worse has happened in the last few months.

    In fairness I don’t think you need someone to die before a tragedy can be declared. Looking at the history of Notre Dame and what it not only means to the French people but people around this planet, it’s one of the most historically significant and loved buildings on the planet.


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    #403
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Come on, it's AH.
    No one was killed!

    It's not a tragedy, really.
    a lot worse has happened in the last few months.

    Read the thread and gauge people’s reactions to this. It was a tragedy.

    You’ll see that you are a mile off with the tone of your posts.


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    #404
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users Posts: 14,446 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Anteayer wrote: »
    I'm sure it will be restored to its former glory.

    One of the things being reported a lot on French media is that quite a lot of the artworks and even the external statues had been temporarily removed for conservation work. So a lot of the artwork has been inadvertently saved.

    Here is a piece from the New York Post on what was removed before the works started.

    https://nypost.com/2019/04/11/work-begins-on-notre-dame-cathedral-restoration/slide-1/


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    #405
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    Bear in mind Notre Dame has been restored and altered multiple times over its history.

    It was even turned into food and animal storage space during the revolution.

    The spire itself was added between 1844 & 1864.

    I'm very confident that if anywhere can restore a 800+ year old cathedral, Paris can.


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    #406
    Danzy
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    Strumms wrote: »
    In fairness I don’t think you need someone to die before a tragedy can be declared. Looking at the history of Notre Dame and what it not only means to the French people but people around this planet, it’s one of the most historically significant and loved buildings on the planet.

    Everyone dies, there are some things that transcend normal human frailty and foibles.


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    #407
    Ave Sodalis
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The skill of working in stained glass is still very much in plentiful supply. The only thing that would stop them being restored would be the cost and I don't think that will be a factor for this particular building.


    To add another bit of positiveness, there is a team that works pretty much year round on fixing and cleaning the Tower of London which was built during a similar time period. They use much the same materials and methods of that period so the knowledge and skills are not lost.


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    #408
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    The French very sad about the collapse of the spire itself. Anyone else think that it was rather unimpressive, and a bit of a puny, tacked on piece, that many wouldnt have recognised in isolation, or even noticed it not there if it had be carefully removed ? Its the twin towers and the flying buttresses that are the glory of ND.


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    #409
    Suckit
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Do we know the cause?

    Such an iconic historic building and I assume would have many celebrations planned for Easter holy week


    There were no workmen working today, and there was nothing on in the cathedral, but footage was released of a person in black with a yellow gilet walking across one of the towers half an hour after the fire started. I am guessing that person is being looked into.


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    #410
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Do we know the cause?

    Such an iconic historic building and I assume would have many celebrations planned for Easter holy week

    Someone had the hump


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    #411
    poisonated
    Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    It is a sad day. The only positive thing I can say is that there are no confirmed deaths from the Notre dame fire.


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    #412
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1117854455473397763


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    1641
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    Suckit wrote:
    There were no workmen working today, and there was nothing on in the cathedral, but footage was released of a person in black with a yellow gilet walking across one of the towers half an hour after the fire started. I am guessing that person is being looked into.


    I really hope it was an accident.


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    #414
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Suckit wrote: »
    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Do we know the cause?

    Such an iconic historic building and I assume would have many celebrations planned for Easter holy week


    There were no workmen working today, and there was nothing on in the cathedral, but footage was released of a person in black with a yellow gilet walking across one of the towers half an hour after the fire started. I am guessing that person is being looked into.
    Have you any source for this?


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    #415
    thomil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭thomil


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    To add another bit of positiveness, there is a team that works pretty much year round on fixing and cleaning the Tower of London which was built during a similar time period. They use much the same materials and methods of that period so the knowledge and skills are not lost.

    Most cathedrals will have similar teams. I caught a documentary on Cologne Cathedral a few years ago where they stated that once you've reached one end of the cathedral with your repairs & restoration work, you can go right back to the beginning. These things, particularly romanic & gothic cathedrals, are a permanent work in progress, so the talent and know how should definitely be there.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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    #416
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    To add another bit of positiveness, there is a team that works pretty much year round on fixing and cleaning the Tower of London which was built during a similar time period. They use much the same materials and methods of that period so the knowledge and skills are not lost.

    Yes. There will be no issues with any of the skills necessary.


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    #417
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Suckit wrote: »
    There were no workmen working today, and there was nothing on in the cathedral, but footage was released of a person in black with a yellow gilet walking across one of the towers half an hour after the fire started. I am guessing that person is being looked into.

    For Forks Sake shared this in another thread. Might be useful to you.
    https://twitter.com/JaneLytv/status/1117861813369155584


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    #418
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Suckit wrote: »
    There were no workmen working today, and there was nothing on in the cathedral, but footage was released of a person in black with a yellow gilet walking across one of the towers half an hour after the fire started. I am guessing that person is being looked into.
    typical work wear


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    #419
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1117854455473397763

    You may be trolling but it is showing a deep problem.


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    #420
    [Deleted User]
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    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1117854455473397763

    Infowars? Why denigrate this thread.


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    #421
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    expectationlost wrote: »
    typical work wear

    The way this thread can go I think he's implying it was a cyclist wot dun it.


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