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Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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    #362
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    People used build with a thousand years plus in mind.

    Plant trees for harvesting 500 years later.

    Now 25 years is a long term vision and a quarterly report is the most influential book.


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    #363
    CelticRambler
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Think you're being a tad dramatic there (albeit I enjoyed the dramatics of your post :D ). If water, even a sizeable amount of it, could knock the walls so easily, then a hard gust of wind would do the same.


    Water is generally dropped whilst the aircraft is still in motion. The water gets sprayed, not dropped downward directly.

    Ah, right. I'm sorry that my knowledge of physics is out-of-date. Remind me not to pay any attention to those tsunami warnings when I'm next out East, cos a bit of water never hurt anyone ... :rolleyes:

    (What was it they were doing this morning in Fukushima again ... routine maintenance, was it? :p )


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    #364
    manual_man
    Registered Users Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Awake


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    #365
    dublinman1990
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    Macron just said in a press conference that will be an international funding campaign will begin to rebuild the cathedral.


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    #366
    MrMusician18
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Think you're being a tad dramatic there (albeit I enjoyed the dramatics of your post :D ). If water, even a sizeable amount of it, could knock the walls so easily, then a hard gust of wind would do the same.


    Water is generally dropped whilst the aircraft is still in motion. The water gets sprayed, not dropped downward directly.
    When you're dealing with a forest fire it doesn't matter if the trees get flattened.

    But you're right, a gust of wind could knock the walls. That's why as soon as it's extinguished there'll be a massive operation to stabilise the remaining structure. If it's anything like other fire ravaged old buildings they'll put an over roof on it as well to protect it.

    That will give them time to figure out what they want to do.

    Assuming they restore it, it will be 10-15 years before it opens again.


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    #367
    manual_man
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    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Macron just said in a press conference that will be an international funding campaign will begin to rebuild the cathedral.

    he inspires nothing


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    #368
    Snow Garden
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    I saw this on twitter. Shocking. Hoped the fire was contained by now.


    Wow. It looks like the front 2 towers at the entrance will be intact but the rest of it is completely destroyed. Very sad to see.


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    #369
    Spanish Eyes
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    CelticRambler wrote: »
    That is it contained. What you're seeing is all of the roof, the pews, the wooden wall panelling, etc., burning inside the stone walls. (Un)fortunately, French firefighters are very well trained in dealing with fires in historic buildings like this and know that our American Cousin's suggestion of blowing the bejayus out of it with bombs and rockets and whatnot is the kind of nonsense that should stay in Hollywood, or countries where they regularly bulldoze their history in the name of "progress".

    America does not really have any heritage or history like Europe and elsewhere, apart from places like Boston and the Civil War sites. The Native Americans don't count anymore, they have been given free range to run casinos. Payback sorted.

    That's just the way it is, so there is little concept of preserving heritage. You just have to look at the generic ribbons of dunkin donuts and the like all along their highways. So interesting.


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    #370
    1641
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    manual_man wrote:
    he inspires nothing


    Not now, man.


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    #371
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    josip wrote: »
    Is limestone that resistant to heat?
    The stonework was in fairly poor condition before the fire:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-43258266/notre-dame-cracks-in-the-cathedral

    I wouldn't be surprised if parts of it collapse as it cools or if it has to be partially demolished in the future.

    Lime heats up but when it gets wet it turns to dust.

    The cold hard rock from the lime kiln, turning to powder at the first splash of water.


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    #372
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    The worst that'll happen is that the weight of the water crashing down on a weakened structure will cause the walls to explode outwards, destroying entirely the buildling that the firefighters are trying to save, probably killing several people in the vicinity and certainly causing massive damage to adjacent buildings ... and possibly also allowing the uncontained fire to now spread outwards beyond the no-longer present walls of the structure.

    So do you still want to try it? :rolleyes:

    Just rain it down



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    #373
    Strumms
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    manual_man wrote: »
    he inspires nothing

    Maybe not, at least though here he is doing the right thing, looking forward to what CAN be done which is his job and what the French people need right now.


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    #374
    Danzy
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Just rain it down


    The Parisian fire brigade are 220 years old as a formal group and drawing from a lot longer than that.

    They know what they are at.


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    #375
    manual_man
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Maybe not, at least though here he is doing the right thing, looking forward to what CAN be done which is his job and what the French people need right now.

    The sooner he is gone the better. I don't care if it is inappropriate. I watch him and i see an utterly uninspiring individual. He represents nothing. And the French people(and the world) need something.


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    #376
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    1641 wrote: »
    Not now, man.

    A fanatic, can't change their mind and they can't change the topic.


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    #377
    Danzy
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    manual_man wrote: »
    The sooner he is gone the better. I don't care if it is inappropriate. I watch him and i see an utterly uninspiring individual. He represents nothing. And the French people(and the world) need something.

    All about you.


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    #378
    d8491prj5boyvg
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    They'll be getting tips from Longford on how to rebuild


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    #379
    Guy:Incognito
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    Had to laugh when I saw westminster abbeys tweet "Devastated for our friends at #NotreDame and for the people of France.

    You are in our thoughts and prayers tonight."

    Prayers? Seriously? To God like? Surely if the ****er existed the place wouldnt be burning down.

    Do they see no irony at all in saying stuff like that?


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    #380
    Sardonicat
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Had to laugh when I saw westminster abbeys tweet "Devastated for our friends at #NotreDame and for the people of France.

    You are in our thoughts and prayers tonight."

    Prayers? Seriously? To God like? Surely if the ****er existed the place wouldnt be burning down.

    Do they see no irony at all in saying stuff like that?
    Do you not see the irony in your post?


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    #381
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,077 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Nice to see so many beautiful and respectful comments here tonight. Would like to get to know you better.

    Obviously the trolls are out too, but much more the former, well done boardsies.


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    #382
    Lotus Flower
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Had to laugh when I saw westminster abbeys tweet "Devastated for our friends at #NotreDame and for the people of France.

    You are in our thoughts and prayers tonight."

    Prayers? Seriously? To God like? Surely if the ****er existed the place wouldnt be burning down.

    Do they see no irony at all in saying stuff like that?

    Yawn


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    #383
    For Forks Sake
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    Danzy wrote: »
    The Parisian fire brigade are 220 years old as a formal group and drawing from a lot longer than that.

    They know what they are at.

    What's the French for shade? Even posted in english for Trumpy

    https://twitter.com/SecCivileFrance/status/1117874924268376064
    Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.


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    #384
    manual_man
    Registered Users Posts: 15,262 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Strumms wrote: »
    Exactly, I think for the betterment of the US and indeed the wider world someone should just put a bullet between his fûcking eyes, you might say the damage in every respect has been done but I think if he was just assinated by whomever, the world would be a better and nicer place.

    No i absolutely don't think that. Violence ain't the answer. Someone who can really bring people together. Someone who can turn anxiety to calm. Asolutely not violence.


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    #385
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The Rose window is almost certainly lost. :( A thousand years gone up in smoke. Thankfully we have a scary level of information about every piece in the place and it can be rebuilt and will even reignite old skills mixed with the latest as it is being rebuilt.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #386
    touts
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Do we know the cause?

    Such an iconic historic building and I assume would have many celebrations planned for Easter holy week

    Unless someone saw it start and was able to say precisely what happened it's too early to say. I'd imagine there has to be an investigation which will take some time. All they can do for tonight is keep saying it was probably an accident to stop idiots burning down every mosque in Paris.


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    #387
    Anteayer
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Lime heats up but when it gets wet it turns to dust.

    The cold hard rock from the lime kiln, turning to powder at the first splash of water.

    Yup. It's basically how they used to make whitewash.


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    #388
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Sac Le Bluer !!!


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    #389
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Rose window is almost certainly lost. :( A thousand years gone up in smoke. Thankfully we have a scary level of information about every piece in the place and it can be rebuilt and will even reignite old skills mixed with the latest as it is being rebuilt.


    I hope so Wibbs. Don't they laser scan some of these places for films and that sort of thing? I seem to remember reading somewhere that they did that with Kilmainham Gaol before using it in Paddington 2.


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    #390
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Rose window is almost certainly lost. :( A thousand years gone up in smoke. Thankfully we have a scary level of information about every piece in the place and it can be rebuilt and will even reignite old skills mixed with the latest as it is being rebuilt.

    Bollocks, they should just throw up a shopping mall or a mega starbucks there.


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    #391
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    touts wrote: »
    Unless someone saw it start and was able to say precisely what happened it's too early to say. I'd imagine there has to be an investigation which will take some time. All they can do for tonight is keep saying it was probably an accident to stop idiots burning down every mosque in Paris.

    I'd say it's almost definitely an accidental issue. Sadly those buildings tend to go up very quickly because of the huge open space and the structures being so dependent on the roof.

    It's possible something like an electrical issue in the attic space. There likely would have been temporary wiring running all over the place.


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