US Presidential Election 2020

VinLieger · 16-10-2020 2:48pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So how did the two Town Halls go? I didn't bother with either.

Well biden stuck around to chat to the audience for at least 30 mins after and continue answering questions
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/15/town-hall-biden-sticks-around-after-take-more-questions-voters/3673340001/

And Trump.... well.....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/savannah-guthrie-trump-town-hall-moderator

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 2:50pm

Overheal wrote: »

Uhhhhh

https://twitter.com/spdustin/status/1316621229751762945?s=20

The fool hasn't even noticed the serial number is listed for an external hard drive, not the hard drive in the laptop itself. Hunter likely bought the external hard drive for the guy in the repair shop to transfer the recovered data to.

Edit: In fact the serial number actually corroborates the repair shop owner. The warranty starts when you buy the hard drive, not when it is manufactured. Otherwise people would never buy stock that has been on the shelf for a year or two. The guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Someone bought an external hard drive and gave it to the repair shop with the laptop so the data could be transferred, on the date on the docket.

Overheal · 16-10-2020 2:54pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

The fool hasn't even noticed the serial number is listed for an external hard drive, not the hard drive in the laptop itself. Hunter likely bought the external hard drive for the guy in the repair shop to transfer the recovered data to.

So Hunter re-visited the store, with an external hard drive that was so new that it was manufactured days after the initial service? Did he pluck it right off the factory floor at Western Digital?

So this shop owner has seen Hunter twice but can't figure out if its him.

Water John · 16-10-2020 2:55pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

The fool hasn't even noticed the serial number is listed for an external hard drive, not the hard drive in the laptop itself. Hunter likely bought the external hard drive for the guy in the repair shop to transfer the recovered data to.

Edit: In fact the serial number actually corroborates the repair shop owner. The warranty starts when you buy the hard drive, not when it is manufactured. Otherwise people would never buy stock that has been on the shelf for a year or two. The guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Someone bought an external hard drive and gave it to the repair shop with the laptop so the data could be transferred, on the date on the docket.

If he dropped in the laptop on Apr 12th, how did he purchase a hard drive that hadn't been manufactured yet (18th), in the shop?

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 2:56pm

Overheal wrote: »

So Hunter re-visited the store, with an external hard drive that was so new that it was manufactured days after the initial service? Did he pluck it right off the factory floor at Western Digital?

Warranty doesn't start when it is manufactured. It starts when it is bought and a record of the purchase is registered with the manufacturer. That is likely to be a few days later.

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 2:57pm

Water John wrote: »

If he dropped in the laptop on Apr 12th, how did he purchase a hard drive that hadn't been manufactured yet (18th), in the shop?

As above, warranty starts when it is registered after purchase, not when it is made. That would make no sense, you could buy two hard drives on the same shelf and one has a 5 month warranty and the other has 2 years.

Overheal · 16-10-2020 2:58pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Warranty doesn't start when it is manufactured. It starts when it is bought and a record of the purchase is registered with the manufacturer. That is likely to be a few days later.

Oh lovely, another piece of information that should be trivial to verify for Giuliani and the FBI

Is it standard practice for repair shops to register warranties for their customers? Who registered the warranty then?

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 3:00pm

Overheal wrote: »

Oh lovely, another piece of information that should be trivial to verify for Giuliani and the FBI

Is it standard practice for repair shops to register warranties for their customers? Who registered the warranty then?

Anyone with the receipt and serial number. If Hunter bought it on the way to the store he could have registered it after. If Hunter brought it in to the store without an external hard drive the owner would tell him the data has to be put on a new, working drive and might have sold him one there. Either Hunter or the store could have registered the hard drive. The Twitter 'exposé' is bulls1t.

Overheal · 16-10-2020 3:00pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

As above, warranty starts when it is registered after purchase, not when it is made. That would make no sense, you could buy two hard drives on the same shelf and one has a 5 month warranty and the other has 2 years.

Depends. Unless the product or purchase is registered the warranty won't go by the date of purchase.

If you do not have a valid proof of purchase, the limited warranty period will be measured from the date of sale from Western Digital to the authorized distributor.

https://www.westerndigital.com/support/warranty-statement

So what date did Hunter allegedly return to the store?

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 3:03pm

Overheal wrote: »

Depends. Unless the product or purchase is registered the warranty won't go by the date of purchase.

https://www.westerndigital.com/support/warranty-statement

So what date did Hunter allegedly return to the store?

I'm not sure you understand how this warranty works. Hunter didn't need to go back to the store, all he needed was the receipt and serial number to register the warranty from the comfort of his own home. The same applies if he bought it as part of the repair and the shop registered it.

Overheal · 16-10-2020 3:08pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand how this warranty works. Hunter didn't need to go back to the store, all he needed was the receipt and serial number to register the warranty from the comfort of his own home. The same applies if he bought it as part of the repair and the shop registered it.

So then it will be easy to check with Western Digital who registered the drive.

If no one registered the drive and it's from the date it left the factory, something is off here.

Foxtrol · 16-10-2020 3:10pm

seamus wrote: »

I know random Twitter links are frowned upon, but if anyone is a bit in the dark on Guiliani's latest nonsense, this is a good summation here (clikc to see the whole thread):

https://twitter.com/dantoujours/status/1316844679783223297?s=20

I love one reply quoting NY Mag: "The best thing you can say is that this account is not physically impossible, in that it does not violate any laws of nature or require any discontinuity in the space-time continuum."

I don't think Guiliani is actually this cracked. I suspect that he has been involved in some super-shady stuff with Trump over the years (especially during his tenure as NY Mayor), and is now desperate for anything that might keep him in the White House. Cos if Trump gets investigated, Guiliani is screwed.

Sure take a look at the completely unbiased journalist involved in writing the Hunter laptop story, of course she would have checked all the facts of the case and have no ulterior motive in writing the story.

https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1316553496192258048?s=20

Quin_Dub · 16-10-2020 3:15pm

All,

Let's keep this thread for discussions specific to the actual election

Polling , Voting patterns , court cases relating to the election , that sort of thing.

General discussions should be in the other threads.

Thanks

Foxtrol · 16-10-2020 4:17pm

Campaign fundraising numbers came out over the last few days. Very different reasons why the campaigns held off so long releasing, Biden didn't want to slow down donations by people knowing how much cash he had and Trump didn't want the bad PR of how comparatively poorly they're doing.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1316930629376872449?s=20

everlast75 · 16-10-2020 4:21pm

As ratings seem to be all 45 thinks about, this must hurt...

https://twitter.com/JenniferLinn17/status/1316979317868384256?s=19

Muahahaha · 16-10-2020 4:48pm

are those numbers right, they seem incredibly low for both candidates given 17 million watched the first debate

Foxtrol · 16-10-2020 4:49pm

everlast75 wrote: »

As ratings seem to be all 45 thinks about, this must hurt...

https://twitter.com/JenniferLinn17/status/1316979317868384256?s=19

I'm guessing that is Youtube viewers rather than TV, as they are way too low and Nielsen won't be out until later today.

There is a decent chance Trump ends up with more viewers as NBC have cable outlets, like MSNBC, who also took the townhall and while Biden was just on ABC and also the obvious Trump slow car crash viewers. Given Trump's performance he would want to hope that as little as possible people watched.

All_in_Flynn · 16-10-2020 5:13pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm guessing that is Youtube viewers rather than TV, as they are way too low and Nielsen won't be out until later today.

There is a decent chance Trump ends up with more viewers as NBC have cable outlets, like MSNBC, who also took the townhall and while Biden was just on ABC and also the obvious Trump slow car crash viewers. Given Trump's performance he would want to hope that as little as possible people watched.

Initial Nielson figures show Biden had more viewers than trump. Can't link it at the moment but Biden had 12.7m vs Trumps 10.4.

Surprised at those figures myself given that, as you said above, NBC have cable outlets.

Dillonb3 · 16-10-2020 5:21pm

Looks like Diane Feinstein helped Lindsey Graham in his senate race against Jamie Harrison. Her closing remarks she praised Lindsey over his handling of the hearing saying it's one of the best She's been involved in and may pave the way for more bipartisanship. Lot of Democratic supporters losing it on social media

Gbear · 16-10-2020 5:50pm

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Looks like Diane Feinstein helped Lindsey Graham in his senate race against Jamie Harrison. Her closing remarks she praised Lindsey over his handling of the hearing saying it's one of the best She's been involved in and may pave the way for more bipartisanship. Lot of Democratic supporters losing it on social media

Honestly should be a sackable that one. Either it displays utter incompetency or she doesn't give enough of a **** about the stakes of this election.

I mean Christ, she's 87 years old. It's utterly absurd that she's still in politics.

Overheal · 16-10-2020 6:35pm

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Looks like Diane Feinstein helped Lindsey Graham in his senate race against Jamie Harrison. Her closing remarks she praised Lindsey over his handling of the hearing saying it's one of the best She's been involved in and may pave the way for more bipartisanship. Lot of Democratic supporters losing it on social media

Gave him a maskless hug too. Feinstein hasn't been well liked lately.

I still think Harrison will be far from outdone by a hug from her though.

Foxtrol · 16-10-2020 6:41pm

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Initial Nielson figures show Biden had more viewers than trump. Can't link it at the moment but Biden had 12.7m vs Trumps 10.4.

Surprised at those figures myself given that, as you said above, NBC have cable outlets.

Final numbers are out and when all the other outlets are added in Trump narrows the gap but Biden still beats him by 900k viewers.

Expecting a rage tweet shortly, where Trump still finds a way to twist it into him having more viewers (just like he did when he had worse ratings for their National Conventions).

In the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter at all but it is a definite knock to the Trump campaign who expected to blow Biden out of the water.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1317152022169268224?s=20

Gbear · 16-10-2020 7:05pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Final numbers are out and when all the other outlets are added in Trump narrows the gap but Biden still beats him by 900k viewers.

Expecting a rage tweet shortly, where Trump still finds a way to twist it into him having more viewers (just like he did when he had worse ratings for their National Conventions).

In the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter at all but it is a definite knock to the Trump campaign who expected to blow Biden out of the water.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1317152022169268224?s=20

Whatever you want to say about Biden, he's quite boring. That people would choose to watch political paint drying instead of Trump, when there's a "freak show" element you'd think would drive people to watch him over and above the followers of his cult, probably makes it worse than it appears at first glance.

L1011 · 16-10-2020 7:30pm

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand how this warranty works. Hunter didn't need to go back to the store, all he needed was the receipt and serial number to register the warranty from the comfort of his own home. The same applies if he bought it as part of the repair and the shop registered it.

I'm absolutely confident that the thing here is that you don't understand how it works - for items like this, sale is not registered at all. Default warranty terms are from manufacture date and can be extended with proof of purchase if making a claim. This is how basically all consumer electronics warranties work.

This is a 70 quid or so item, not a multi thousand quid item that's tracked to sale.

The story is insane gibberish that could easily actually have been something planted to make Guiliani look like a fool.

StringerBell · 16-10-2020 7:50pm

Gbear wrote: »

Whatever you want to say about Biden, he's quite boring. That people would choose to watch political paint drying instead of Trump, when there's a "freak show" element you'd think would drive people to watch him over and above the followers of his cult, probably makes it worse than it appears at first glance.

An awful lot of people were (dead rightly) angry with NBC for their decision to allow the serial Dodger the airtime at that slot, in essence rewarding him for his bull****.

looksee · 16-10-2020 8:11pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xSJQDRH2Q

Commander in Chief - Possibly the best Lincoln Project ad yet, and its a high bar. It could be arguable that it is a lot of stuff concentrated together, but 20,000 lies is a lot of garbage to struggle against. The Lincoln Project has been playing a blinder for Biden.

theguzman · 16-10-2020 8:47pm

Trump is going nowhere and the Supreme court will reinstate him as President no matter what happens. There is a massive buildup in the South China Sea and we may see some skirmish there within the next two weeks as Trump will strike back at China. If somehow the Democrats manage to throw Trump out then expect a very brief and fast bloody insurrection which will reinstate him by millions of WASP NRA american who will not allow a Socialist revolution to take place there. America is truly on a knife-edge at the moment but I see Trump going nowhere.

L1011 · 16-10-2020 8:58pm

theguzman wrote: »

Trump is going nowhere and the Supreme court will reinstate him as President no matter what happens. There is a massive buildup in the South China Sea and we may see some skirmish there within the next two weeks as Trump will strike back at China. If somehow the Democrats manage to throw Trump out then expect a very brief and fast bloody insurrection which will reinstate him by millions of WASP NRA american who will not allow a Socialist revolution to take place there. America is truly on a knife-edge at the moment but I see Trump going nowhere.

If he loses the election, the Supreme Court cannot "reinstate" him. Its only on the off-chance of there being something akin to 2000 that it could even end up before the Supreme Court, and that is not looking even vaguely likely on current polling.

Biden winning is not a "Socialist revolution".

eire4 · 16-10-2020 9:08pm

L1011 wrote: »

If he loses the election, the Supreme Court cannot "reinstate" him. Its only on the off-chance of there being something akin to 2000 that it could even end up before the Supreme Court, and that is not looking even vaguely likely on current polling.

Biden winning is not a "Socialist revolution".

I got a good laugh at the socialist revolution line. I wish.
I think the US needs fundamental change such as an FDR type presidency but there is zero chance of that happening unfortunately.

Muahahaha · 16-10-2020 9:09pm

looksee wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xSJQDRH2Q

Commander in Chief - Possibly the best Lincoln Project ad yet, and its a high bar. It could be arguable that it is a lot of stuff concentrated together, but 20,000 lies is a lot of garbage to struggle against. The Lincoln Project has been playing a blinder for Biden.

Thats a very good piece of work, Trump wont be happy with Demi Lavato when he hears those lyrics about him

pixelburp · 16-10-2020 9:26pm

Neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris could be considered socialist, by either the metrics of America let alone Europe. Career centrists both. Tacit support of BLM, ANTIFA or whatever sticks in one's ideological craw does not a socialist make - and frankly shows a laughable ignorance of both the individuals own political history, as to be ignored as anything but disingenuous at best. Support Trump, it's a free world, but don't invent nonsense to fit ones support. Biden the Socialist. Bit adolescent.

ancapailldorcha · 16-10-2020 9:50pm

Low quality posts, linkdumps and responses to these posts deleted. Back on topic and raise the standard please.

TomOnBoard · 16-10-2020 10:15pm

While he stokes the Hidin'Biden meme, we all know that's classic Trump PROJECTION! So we really need to ask "What's Trump Hidin' Now?"

Well, here's one for the League Table of things The Don wants us to not be talking about too much. I can't say where it sits in the League Table, but you can bet your pampooties its in there somewhere...

The Great State of Texas has 254 counties. That's a lot you might say. Well, the Good Ole Boys at Governor and A.G. Level, staunch Patriotic Republicans each no doubt, would have the entire population of the State forced to put their drop-off ballots IN A SINGLE DROP OFF BOX PER COUNTY.. So, heres the thing:

HARRIS County gets ONE (1) box
and
LOVING County gets ONE (1) box.

All fair you might say... But:

HARRIS has a population of 4,713,325 folks

LOVING has 169!

Now THAT'S worth hidin' !!

Tell me how · 16-10-2020 10:19pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

While he stokes the Hidin'Biden meme, we all know that's classic Trump PROJECTION! So we really need to ask "What's Trump Hidin' Now?"

Well, here's one for the League Table of things The Don wants us to not be talking about too much. I can't say where it sits in the League Table, but you can bet your pampooties its in there somewhere...

The Great State of Texas has 254 counties. That's a lot you might say. Well, the Good Ole Boys at Governor and A.G. Level, staunch Patriotic Republicans each no doubt, would have the entire population of the State forced to put their drop-off ballots IN A SINGLE DROP OFF BOX PER COUNTY.. So, heres the thing:

HARRIS County gets ONE (1) box
and
LOVING County gets ONE (1) box.

All fair you might say... But:

HARRIS has a population of 4,713,325 folks

LOVING has 169!

Now THAT'S worth hidin' !!

Brewster County is 3 times bigger than Delaware, and 500Sq miles bigger than Connecticut.

TomOnBoard · 16-10-2020 10:27pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Brewster County is 3 times bigger than Delaware, and 500Sq miles bigger than Connecticut.

And they're trying to limit each county to just one drop-off point.... With some success so far in the Courts, it has to be said....

MoonUnit75 · 16-10-2020 10:33pm

L1011 wrote: »

I'm absolutely confident that the thing here is that you don't understand how it works - for items like this, sale is not registered at all. Default warranty terms are from manufacture date and can be extended with proof of purchase if making a claim. This is how basically all consumer electronics warranties work.

This is a 70 quid or so item, not a multi thousand quid item that's tracked to sale.

The story is insane gibberish that could easily actually have been something planted to make Guiliani look like a fool.

This is ridiculous. Warranty does not start from manufacture date. It starts from the moment of sale if you have a receipt and you can get extra warranty benefits or an extension if you register it with the manufacturer. This is what seems to have happened here since the manufacturer usually doesn't know when the warranty started, unless the purchaser then registers it. Plenty of consumer electronics like this come with a warranty card advising you to register it online. All my recent external drives have.

Do you seriously think you could go in and buy a component and find out there's only two weeks left of the warranty because it's been on the shelf a while?

Quin_Dub · 16-10-2020 10:48pm

L1011 wrote: »

I'm absolutely confident that the thing here is that you don't understand how it works - for items like this, sale is not registered at all. Default warranty terms are from manufacture date and can be extended with proof of purchase if making a claim. This is how basically all consumer electronics warranties work.

This is a 70 quid or so item, not a multi thousand quid item that's tracked to sale.

The story is insane gibberish that could easily actually have been something planted to make Guiliani look like a fool.

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

This is ridiculous. Warranty does not start from manufacture date. It starts from the moment of sale if you have a receipt and you can get extra warranty benefits or an extension if you register it with the manufacturer. This is what seems to have happened here since the manufacturer usually doesn't know when the warranty started, unless the purchaser then registers it. Plenty of consumer electronics like this come with a warranty card advising you to register it online. All my recent external drives have.

Do you seriously think you could go in and buy a component and find out there's only two weeks left of the warranty because it's been on the shelf a while?

I'm going to refer you to the earlier Mod Note..

Quin_Dub wrote: »

All,

Let's keep this thread for discussions specific to the actual election

Polling , Voting patterns , court cases relating to the election , that sort of thing.

General discussions should be in the other threads.

Thanks

Water John · 16-10-2020 11:57pm

Pennsylvania is saying it will be the Friday after the 3rd Nov by the time all ballots are counted.

droidus · 17-10-2020 12:26am

Christ.

TomOnBoard · 17-10-2020 12:33am

Water John wrote: »

Pennsylvania is saying it will be the Friday after the 3rd Nov by the time all ballots are counted.

3 days? PA counts must be eeeasy! Imagine if they had to do a PR system count like in Ireland.

People vote.. Polls close.. Votes then get counted.. The counts takes as long as they take. What's so hard for ppl to understand?

TheLastMohican · 17-10-2020 3:24am

pixelburp wrote: »

Neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris could be considered socialist, by either the metrics of America let alone Europe. Career centrists both. Tacit support of BLM, ANTIFA or whatever sticks in one's ideological craw does not a socialist make - and frankly shows a laughable ignorance of both the individuals own political history, as to be ignored as anything but disingenuous at best. Support Trump, it's a free world, but don't invent nonsense to fit ones support. Biden the Socialist. Bit adolescent.

Socialist and Communist are both the same in my neck of the woods. Americans as a whole do not differentiate. They just listen to the right wing stations that spout Trumpism and are not capable of disseminating it. Unbiased news? Forget it. No excitement here.
As most Americans don't own a passport, they get their "feel" for a country from Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and co. And, as Americans are perhaps the most paranoid people on earth, these populists lead a great many sheeple. Most don't realise that Antifa is a corruption of Anti Fascist. So, they are easily swayed because of their patriotism xenophobia!

MadYaker · 17-10-2020 4:07am

theguzman wrote: »

Trump is going nowhere and the Supreme court will reinstate him as President no matter what happens. There is a massive buildup in the South China Sea and we may see some skirmish there within the next two weeks as Trump will strike back at China. If somehow the Democrats manage to throw Trump out then expect a very brief and fast bloody insurrection which will reinstate him by millions of WASP NRA american who will not allow a Socialist revolution to take place there. America is truly on a knife-edge at the moment but I see Trump going nowhere.

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

paul71 · 17-10-2020 4:14am

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

5 years ago I would have said someone proposing armed rebellion in the United states if an election did not go their way would be committed for mental health issues. Now I just don't know.

Tell me how · 17-10-2020 4:20am

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

It's not a joke, but it isn't reality based either.

Water John · 17-10-2020 10:24am

TomOnBoard wrote: »

3 days? PA counts must be eeeasy! Imagine if they had to do a PR system count like in Ireland.

People vote.. Polls close.. Votes then get counted.. The counts takes as long as they take. What's so hard for ppl to understand?

They only start opening postal ballots that day or evening. Two envelopes to open, signature to be verified.

Brussels Sprout · 17-10-2020 11:33am

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

Something tells me you haven't checked out the Current Affairs/IMHO forum.

StringerBell · 17-10-2020 3:02pm

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/10/16/bb-the-identity-of-trumps-creditors-is-not-a-mystery

I have wondered why it seems to be some secret about who he owes the money too. Is the thinking behind it that there was some shady deal with Deutsche Bank for example that russian money sort of guaranteed his loan? I haven't looked a whole lot into his own personal finances as I think it is a little bit of a red herring, if true that the mortgages have been converted to CMBS's then it will be pretty much impossible to see each individual person who is on the list of people "owed" money.

trump is in the dodgy dealing and dodgy money business a long time, the world of international financing is murky and not something that is easy to get to the bottom of and make it easy for lay people to follow for want of a better word. I understand why the democrats would make noise about it and trump refusing to divest puts him in a position that nobody at the head of government should be in terms of potential security risks due to financial issues I don't see a way to get to the bottom of it, and maybe that isn't the point I guess.

When he is out of office they will likely let all but the instances of fraud go so hopefully they can make stuff stick. Not just for him, but for all of them. Ivanka, junior, eric etc I hope they can get them all for financial and tax fraud but this thing about the loans and who he owes the debt to is a bit of a run around the garden for all the good it will do imo.

2 and a half weeks to go!

pixelburp · 17-10-2020 3:06pm

I've seen enough of American politics to believe none of the Trumps will be pursued legally. Just can't see it happening; maybe, at most, some tertiary activity that'll get settled in Civil Court, or be criminally small beans - but even then, the Cult of Personality won't disappear overnight. Plenty of those closest to the wagon will continue support for a time. Chasing cases in the heat death of the Trump Era would seem politically risky against the public domain shítstorm it'd create.

tails_naf · 17-10-2020 3:14pm

paul71 wrote: »

5 years ago I would have said someone proposing armed rebellion in the United states if an election did not go their way would be committed for mental health issues. Now I just don't know.

The podcast "it could happen here" outlines how this could happen, its really well done, and scary. It gives real examples of things the militia have already done, so not too crazy if the ones "standing by" actually do something if trump looses, or refuses to accept the election outcome ....

duploelabs · 17-10-2020 3:14pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I've seen enough of American politics to believe none of the Trumps will be pursued legally. Just can't see it happening; maybe, at most, some tertiary activity that'll get settled in Civil Court, or be criminally small beans - but even then, the Cult of Personality won't disappear overnight. Plenty of those closest to the wagon will continue support for a time. Chasing cases in the heat death of the Trump Era would seem politically risky against the public domain shítstorm it'd create.

He's already be indicted as a Co-conspirator in a campaign finance violation, that sent Cohen to jail. The presidency is the only thing stopping him from being indicted from the obstruction of justice charge, according to Robert Mueller. They'll definitely go after him, especially after he's already signalled that he plans to flee the country should he lose the election

US Presidential Election 2020

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