The future of the Bray-Greystones line

Sam Russell · 01-11-2019 3:00pm

Rafael Flat Numerical wrote: »

As people have mentioned, it is due to lack of supply, not lack of demand. There could also be a demand for express Darts - stopping at Bray, Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock then town. If you want any of the stops in between, you wait for every 2nd or 3rd Dart. There are thousands of houses getting built south of Bray, most new residents work in Dublin - something has to happen.

You would need to include Sydney Parade, Lansdowne Road, and GDC to that list. Terminating south bound Darts at DL might be an idea as well.

Sydney Parade feeds UCD and St Vincent's Hospital, Landsdowne Rd feeds the RDS and new office for Facebook, and GCD feeds Google.

A better idea is to stop the diesels south of GCD as they are not faster than Darts and are slower travelling, and gain nothing from not stopping at various stations.

loyatemu · 01-11-2019 3:11pm

bk wrote: »

ET_phone_home was talking about triple or quad tracking the line from Bray into the city center, so that you could have express trains running beside the DARTS, which would cost billions.

A new tunnel between Bray and Greystones is a separate (though connected) issue.

Having said that, even about a new tunnel, people need to be realistic. No such project has ever even been mentioned in any Dublin Region development plans and it isn't on the radar in any shape or form.

There is some plans about extra track length either side of the hill and thus perhaps being able to increase frequency of DART to Greystones by one train an hour. But even that plan seems to be long fingered for now, though I expect it will happen over the next decade.

Again folks thinking to move to Greystones and beyond need to take this into account. Not much is likely to change over the next few decades.

I don't think anyone expecting anything prior to 2030 - as you say, the best we can hope for is a 20 minute service to Greystones by the mid 2020s if they double the sections either side of Bray Head. This is in BusConnects so it is at least being considered.

blanch152 · 01-11-2019 5:04pm

AAAAAAAAA wrote: »

Go ahead and make those threads, you'll surely have a significant enough audience.

As it stands, Finglas is to have a metro built through it and the rail to Blanchardstown is being electrified and upgraded to DART service. All four are to have significant improvements through Busconnects. They, and Kildare, aren't being forgotten when compared to the dearth of investment into Wicklow

Finglas village is 2.4 km from the nearest proposed Metro station at Our Lady of Victories Church.

My point really is that the investment required to upgrade the Bray-Greystones line is not merited given the huge cost and the bigger priorities elsewhere in Dublin.

marno21 · 01-11-2019 6:24pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Finglas village is 2.4 km from the nearest proposed Metro station at Our Lady of Victories Church.

My point really is that the investment required to upgrade the Bray-Greystones line is not merited given the huge cost and the bigger priorities elsewhere in Dublin.

I’d rephrase it as this

The Bray-Greystones upgrade is a no brainer. But this being Ireland/Dublin, the list of no brainers is so long I’d have to stop halfway through for a toilet break.

prunudo · 01-11-2019 6:26pm

bk wrote: »

ET_phone_home was talking about triple or quad tracking the line from Bray into the city center, so that you could have express trains running beside the DARTS, which would cost billions.

A new tunnel between Bray and Greystones is a separate (though connected) issue.

Having said that, even about a new tunnel, people need to be realistic. No such project has ever even been mentioned in any Dublin Region development plans and it isn't on the radar in any shape or form.

There is some plans about extra track length either side of the hill and thus perhaps being able to increase frequency of DART to Greystones by one train an hour. But even that plan seems to be long fingered for now, though I expect it will happen over the next decade.

Again folks thinking to move to Greystones and beyond need to take this into account. Not much is likely to change over the next few decades.

Just in regards to this, you're dead right but when you see the lack of housing and the bs estate agents put in their marketing you can see how people get sucked into buying. Most people don't realise the traffic levels on n11 in the mornings until they see it with their own eyes.
Housing estate in Ashford for sale earlier this year referencing the m50 only 20 mins away, a bus service to the city from the village and only 5 min drive to Wicklow train station. All factually correct but in reality not true for daily commuting.

MaccaTacca · 01-11-2019 10:34pm

bk wrote: »

It simply won't happen. Even with the increased numbers in Bray, etc. they still wouldn't add up to enough to justify spending billions.

With DARTs every 10 minutes, you can't have express DARTs as they would just end up running into the back of the next DART. And this is likely to just get worse in future as we are likely to see 5 minute DARTs, etc. eventually.

Folks who move into these areas need to be realistic. This isn't going to change in our lifetime. If you want to live in a nice seaside town, great, but you are going to have a long commute. Want a short commute, move closer to the city.

The crazy thing about Dublin is that most places rely on a 40/45 min bus during rush hour to get in or out of the city - realistically you’re as well relying on the dart from bray which can take 35-45 mins depending on the part of the city centre you need to get to at any time of day.

ohographite · 01-11-2019 11:52pm

I think a third track between Lansdowne Road and Dún Laoghaire for intercity trains would be a worthwhile investment.
For the most part, the space is there. No major demolition or digging of cuttings is necessary, except for the bridge between Seapoint and Salthill & Monkstown.*
It might also involve closing the road to the sailing school in Dún Laoghaire and replacing it with a level crossing or bridge.

If done right, it could reduce journey times by 30 minutes, which would make the Dublin to Rosslare intercity service more competitive with private car journey times.
I have no idea how much this would cost, but I'm guessing it'd be well under a billion.
I don't believe this will ever happen, but I still hope it happens as soon as possible.

*I am aware there is a tunnel just south of Blackrock, and I will not ask to widen that, and just leave a short double track section there.

donvito99 · 02-11-2019 11:26am

You still have the level crossings at Lansdowne, Sydney Parade, Sandymount and Merrion Gates causing delays and lower speeds. If you're widening you may as well be raising the line, which isn't going to happen unless you do this overnight without the knowledge of the locals

Sam Russell · 02-11-2019 8:46pm

ohographite wrote: »

I think a third track between Lansdowne Road and Dún Laoghaire for intercity trains would be a worthwhile investment.
For the most part, the space is there. No major demolition or digging of cuttings is necessary, except for the bridge between Seapoint and Salthill & Monkstown.*
It might also involve closing the road to the sailing school in Dún Laoghaire and replacing it with a level crossing or bridge.

If done right, it could reduce journey times by 30 minutes, which would make the Dublin to Rosslare intercity service more competitive with private car journey times.
I have no idea how much this would cost, but I'm guessing it'd be well under a billion.
I don't believe this will ever happen, but I still hope it happens as soon as possible.

*I am aware there is a tunnel just south of Blackrock, and I will not ask to widen that, and just leave a short double track section there.

There is no way any third track can be put in between Lansdowne Rd and Sydney Parade. There is scope to put extra track south of Merrion Gates, but extremely disruptive, and problems with the wildlife sit at Booterstown - so no way there. They have recently removed the siding northside of DL on the up side - no idea why.

The only improvement would be to implement the Merrion Gates plan to put a bridge next to the Our Lady Queen of Peace church, which would remove Merrion Gates. They could also remove the gates Serpentine Ave by raising the line by 2 or 3 metres and dropping the road by a similar amount. Other than that, nothing can be done north of Shankill.

DL to Glenageary is in a cutting/tunnel with severe speed restrictions, so there is a problem looking for a solution.

ohographite · 02-11-2019 8:55pm

donvito99 wrote: »

You still have the level crossings at Lansdowne, Sydney Parade, Sandymount and Merrion Gates causing delays and lower speeds. If you're widening you may as well be raising the line, which isn't going to happen unless you do this overnight without the knowledge of the locals

I'm hoping if the track is ever widened, all the level crossings would be replaced with bridges.
If this were to happen, I'd absolutely expect locals to oppose it, which is a reason why I don't believe this will be a reality, ever.

ohographite · 02-11-2019 9:27pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

There is no way any third track can be put in between Lansdowne Rd and Sydney Parade. There is scope to put extra track south of Merrion Gates, but extremely disruptive, and problems with the wildlife sit at Booterstown - so no way there. They have recently removed the siding northside of DL on the up side - no idea why.

The only improvement would be to implement the Merrion Gates plan to put a bridge next to the Our Lady Queen of Peace church, which would remove Merrion Gates. They could also remove the gates Serpentine Ave by raising the line by 2 or 3 metres and dropping the road by a similar amount. Other than that, nothing can be done north of Shankill.

DL to Glenageary is in a cutting/tunnel with severe speed restrictions, so there is a problem looking for a solution.

I understand that between Dún Laoghaire and Killiney, adding a third track would be hugely expensive because of the tunnels, narrow cuttings, cliffs and the viaduct, which is why I omitted it from my hopes for the speed improvements of the Rosslare intercity service.

I think there should be space from the Serpentine avenue crossing and Dún Laoghaire to add a third track, since I know the route very well so I've seen how wide it is.
I'd say the wildlife reserve at Booterstown would be okay as the causeway with the railway on it looks wide enough to fit three tracks, so it wouldn't be necessary to cut into the reserve.

I know it'd be expensive but I think it would be brilliant for the improvements in journey times.

u140acro3xs7dm · 02-11-2019 9:45pm

ohographite wrote: »

I understand that between Dún Laoghaire and Killiney, adding a third track would be hugely expensive because of the tunnels, narrow cuttings, cliffs and the viaduct, which is why I omitted it from my hopes for the speed improvements of the Rosslare intercity service.

I think there should be space from the Serpentine avenue crossing and Dún Laoghaire to add a third track, since I know the route very well so I've seen how wide it is.
I'd say the wildlife reserve at Booterstown would be okay as the causeway with the railway on it looks wide enough to fit three tracks, so it wouldn't be necessary to cut into the reserve.

I know it'd be expensive but I think it would be brilliant for the improvements in journey times.

If the will is there, it can be done. Watch any of those engineering programmes on Discovery, there are always massive obstacles, but talented people will overcome it. The problem here is the political system, and the lack of will. They want short term results so they can win the next election - that goes for them all.

ohographite · 02-11-2019 9:48pm

Rafael Flat Numerical wrote: »

If the will is there, it can be done. Watch any of those engineering programmes on Discovery, there are always massive obstacles, but talented people will overcome it. The problem here is the political system, and the lack of will. They want short term results so they can win the next election - that goes for them all.

I agree with all of this!
It can absolutely be done, and I think it should.

end of the road · 02-11-2019 11:34pm

ohographite wrote: »

I agree with all of this!
It can absolutely be done, and I think it should.

it or something similar will need to be done as well, regardless of whether inter city trains to rosslare exist or not.
darts will actually be the ones to benefit a hell of a lot more anyway, and if the dart does increase to 5 minutes long term, such a service on the infrastructure that exists now is going to have no leeway what soever when things go bang. they barely have it as it is .

Sam Russell · 02-11-2019 11:51pm

end of the road wrote: »

it or something similar will need to be done as well, regardless of whether inter city trains to rosslare exist or not.
darts will actually be the ones to benefit a hell of a lot more anyway, and if the dart does increase to 5 minutes long term, such a service on the infrastructure that exists now is going to have no leeway what soever when things go bang. they barely have it as it is .

I think that underground lines are more cost effective than the tinkering with the Dart line between Bray and the city centre.

Metro lines would be designed using modern driverless trains and very high frequency.

loyatemu · 06-02-2020 10:48am

TII met Wicklow Co Co this week and apparently said they will be funding the upgrade of the Bray-Greystones line to get to a 20 minute frequency as assumed by Busconnects. It will be rolled into the larger Dart Upgrade plan.

The white paper on this upgrade is linked elsewhere in this thread, but essentially it involves double tracking either side of Bray Head to reduce the length of the single-track section.

They also confirmed they're looking at converting the N11 hard shoulders to buslanes where possible, separate to the larger N11 upgrade plans (though obviously this will be incorporated into the plan when it eventually emerges).

CatInABox · 06-02-2020 10:52am

loyatemu wrote: »

TII met Wicklow Co Co this week and apparently said they will be funding the upgrade of the Bray-Greystones line to get to a 20 minute frequency as assumed by Busconnects. It will be rolled into the larger Dart Upgrade plan.

The white paper on this upgrade is linked elsewhere in this thread, but essentially it involves double tracking either side of Bray Head to reduce the length of the single-track section.

They also confirmed they're looking at converting the N11 hard shoulders to buslanes where possible, separate to the larger N11 upgrade plans (though obviously this will be incorporated into the plan when it eventually emerges).

Nice. Great to see some movement on this, even if it's just a stopgap.

Pete_Cavan · 06-02-2020 1:13pm

loyatemu wrote: »

TII met Wicklow Co Co this week and apparently said they will be funding the upgrade of the Bray-Greystones line to get to a 20 minute frequency as assumed by Busconnects. It will be rolled into the larger Dart Upgrade plan.

Any mention of a new station at the northern end of Greystones? It would make a lot of sense to do it as part of any upgrades.

loyatemu · 06-02-2020 2:07pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Any mention of a new station at the northern end of Greystones? It would make a lot of sense to do it as part of any upgrades.

I saw the info on FB from one of the local councillors who has been campaigning for the upgrade (Derek Mitchell FG), and there have been people asking the same question in the comments, but I don't think it's currently a live proposal.

As you say it might make sense to include a new halt in the upgrade, the problem I would foresee is the lack of road infrastructure or space for parking. Though even without parking it would probably improve traffic in the local area by discouraging northern-end residents from driving into the village to get to the station and existing P&R.

Pete_Cavan · 06-02-2020 3:13pm

loyatemu wrote: »

I saw the info on FB from one of the local councillors who has been campaigning for the upgrade (Derek Mitchell FG), and there have been people asking the same question in the comments, but I don't think it's currently a live proposal.

As you say it might make sense to include a new halt in the upgrade, the problem I would foresee is the lack of road infrastructure or space for parking. Though even without parking it would probably improve traffic in the local area by discouraging northern-end residents from driving into the village to get to the station and existing P&R.

The new station should be predominantly pedestrian andccyclist access, any parking spaces should be disabled only. The cliff walk could be upgraded to provide better access.

loyatemu · 06-02-2020 3:46pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The new station should be predominantly pedestrian and cyclist access, any parking spaces should be disabled only. The cliff walk could be upgraded to provide better access.

that is a good idea, but my impression is TII won't fund new suburban stations that don't have a P&R element.

re: the Cliff Walk, I could see some resistance from businesses in the town, currently you have to walk through the village to get to/from the Dart and the walk brings a lot of day-trippers to Greystones. If there was a station at Redford, some of them might just hop on a Dart back to Bray without continuing into town.

Pete_Cavan · 06-02-2020 4:01pm

loyatemu wrote: »

that is a good idea, but my impression is TII won't fund new suburban stations that don't have a P&R element.

re: the Cliff Walk, I could see some resistance from businesses in the town, currently you have to walk through the village to get to/from the Dart and the walk brings a lot of day-trippers to Greystones. If there was a station at Redford, some of them might just hop on a Dart back to Bray without continuing into town.

Where are you getting that impression from? I'd say TII are more likely to fund a basic station than they are to spend a small fortune on a station plus access road and parking. True sustainable transport is people walking/cycling to their local train station. P&Rs have a place too but we shouldn't be encouraging people to drive 1km in an urban area to get to a station.

loyatemu · 06-02-2020 4:28pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Where are you getting that impression from? I'd say TII are more likely to fund a basic station than they are to spend a small fortune on a station plus access road and parking. True sustainable transport is people walking/cycling to their local train station. P&Rs have a place too but we shouldn't be encouraging people to drive 1km in an urban area to get to a station.

I'm not disagreeing with that, I just feel TII may prioritise stations that have P&R.

As part of this upgrade there is talk of expanding the (already huge) P&R in Greystones, which will just drag more traffic into the town. The money would be better spent building cycle lanes connecting to the station and putting a small fee on the P&R to discourage locals from using it (it's currently free).

AAAAAAAAA · 06-02-2020 4:32pm

The bike parking at the existing Greystones station needs massive expansion, it's already always very full.

loyatemu · 06-02-2020 4:35pm

AAAAAAAAA wrote: »

The bike parking at the existing Greystones station needs massive expansion, it's already always very full.

they installed a load more racks across the road last year. There's generally space there when the racks at the station itself are full.

ncounties · 06-02-2020 7:34pm

loyatemu wrote: »

they installed a load more racks across the road last year. There's generally space there when the racks at the station itself are full.

Anyone got a photo of the parking infrastructure, or is it visible on streetview? Perhaps the Dutch double level parking would be an option?

prunudo · 06-02-2020 8:06pm

loyatemu wrote: »

they installed a load more racks across the road last year. There's generally space there when the racks at the station itself are full.

Isn't there racks beside PTSB and Cafe Grey too.

Pete_Cavan · 06-02-2020 8:25pm

loyatemu wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with that, I just feel TII may prioritise stations that have P&R.

As part of this upgrade there is talk of expanding the (already huge) P&R in Greystones, which will just drag more traffic into the town. The money would be better spent building cycle lanes connecting to the station and putting a small fee on the P&R to discourage locals from using it (it's currently free).

Where is there any indication that they would prioritise P&R stations (which are much more expensive)? There are very few locations with potential for P&Rs. If they are doing extensive work to double track the line north of Greystones, adding a station would cost very little. The other new stations which they are actively pursuing don't have much parking (Pelletstown and Woodbrook).

prunudo · 06-02-2020 9:18pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The new station should be predominantly pedestrian andccyclist access, any parking spaces should be disabled only. The cliff walk could be upgraded to provide better access.

If located around Redford it would be a great alternative for the residents in the new Marina and existing estates around the north of the town. Personally and this probably won't go down well but I'd prefer if p&r's were utilised by commuters from the hinterlands and not people who drive 1 or 2km from the likes of Charlealand. I've seen posts on fb in the past of people complaining that 'our' park and ride is being used by people from outside the town! These are the very people that should be walking or cycling to the train station.

ncounties · 06-02-2020 9:24pm

prunudo wrote: »

If located around Redford it would be a great alternative for the residents in the new Marina and existing estates around the north of the town. Personally and this probably won't go down well but I'd prefer if p&r's were utilised by commuters from the hinterlands and not people who drive 1 or 2km from the likes of Charlealand. I've seen posts on fb in the past of people complaining that 'our' park and ride is being used by people from outside the town! These are the very people that should be walking or cycling to the train station.

With a spur, you could have a service that serves Kilcoole and stops with a P&R at the Newtown Mount Kennedy N11 Exit. With DARTs waiting here between services, you wouldn't inhibit Intercity services.

prunudo · 06-02-2020 9:32pm

ncounties wrote: »

With a spur, you could have a service that serves Kilcoole and stops with a P&R at the Newtown Mount Kennedy N11 Exit. With DARTs waiting here between services, you wouldn't inhibit Intercity services.

Is that you Eamon, a Dart for everyone in the audience. Lets get the Bray-Greystones secrion upgraded first. But yeah in the long run given the population growth for the area something more ambitious will have to be planned.

ncounties · 06-02-2020 9:38pm

prunudo wrote: »

Is that you Eamon, a Dart for everyone in the audience. Lets get the Bray-Greystones secrion upgraded first. But yeah in the long run given the population growth for the area something more ambitious will have to be planned.

People were discussing P&R's. I am just suggesting how it could be provided, whilst also benefiting non-motorists.

I could have put a disclaimer saying that obviously this would be at the bottom of the pecking order in terms of rail investment, but I thought that would be obvious.

SeanW · 06-02-2020 9:56pm

loyatemu wrote: »

TII met Wicklow Co Co this week and apparently said they will be funding the upgrade of the Bray-Greystones line to get to a 20 minute frequency as assumed by Busconnects. It will be rolled into the larger Dart Upgrade plan.

The white paper on this upgrade is linked elsewhere in this thread, but essentially it involves double tracking either side of Bray Head to reduce the length of the single-track section.

They also confirmed they're looking at converting the N11 hard shoulders to buslanes where possible, separate to the larger N11 upgrade plans (though obviously this will be incorporated into the plan when it eventually emerges).

All that would be a good start.

Thelonious Monk · 07-02-2020 11:27am

The dart is so slow sometimes it drives me nuts. Are there no stretches along the line where they could add a third track or some kind of overtaking track so darts don't get stuck behind intercity trains etc? Surely they could just CPO parts of back gardens along the route? It's so frustrating that you spend so long stuck on certain parts of the line nearly every time you use the service, and it hasn't improved since I started using it decades ago.

LXFlyer · 07-02-2020 11:33am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The dart is so slow sometimes it drives me nuts. Are there no stretches along the line where they could add a third track or some kind of overtaking track so darts don't get stuck behind intercity trains etc? Surely they could just CPO parts of back gardens along the route? It's so frustrating that you spend so long stuck on certain parts of the line nearly every time you use the service, and it hasn't improved since I started using it decades ago.

The Intercity trains don’t hold up the DART - it’s the other way around.

There’s damn all scope on the southside for overtaking (except possibly at Dún Laoghaire Station if it were remodelled).

Northside there will have to be some infrastructure improvements (three/four tracking between Killester and Raheny, additional southbound loop at Clongriffin, and additional loops elsewhere) to allow the Enterprise and northern line trains overtake DART services.

Sam Russell · 07-02-2020 4:42pm

They need to sort the south side level crossings, particularly Merrion Gates. There is/was a plant to divert the Strand Road through the car parks beside the church. That one needs to be done.

The rail could be raised at Serpentine Ave while dropping the road. Otherwise, the other ones are too difficult. Pity they did not do the Lansdowne one when the stadium was redeveloped.

They should terminate southbound diesels at Pearse/GDC, returning from GCD. Some Wexford trains should terminate at Bray, and return to Wexford providing a few extra services each day.

Idbatterim · 07-02-2020 5:24pm

The rail could be raised at Serpentine Ave while dropping the road. Otherwise, the other ones are too difficult. Pity they did not do the Lansdowne one when the stadium was redeveloped.

why in gods name was that not done at the time? would it have been too easy a solution or what?

LXFlyer · 07-02-2020 5:56pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

They need to sort the south side level crossings, particularly Merrion Gates. There is/was a plant to divert the Strand Road through the car parks beside the church. That one needs to be done.

The rail could be raised at Serpentine Ave while dropping the road. Otherwise, the other ones are too difficult. Pity they did not do the Lansdowne one when the stadium was redeveloped.

They should terminate southbound diesels at Pearse/GDC, returning from GCD. Some Wexford trains should terminate at Bray, and return to Wexford providing a few extra services each day.

I don't disagree about the level crossings, but that's going to be a political hot potato.

An earlier train from Connolly to Wexford will I expect happen at some point, but there is still a serious shortage of drivers to operate additional services, so that is on for ice for now.

As to terminating at Pearse/GCD, there is nowhere to terminate trains from the south at either station. They have to continue to Connolly.

Secondly the sets have to be serviced and that is done at Connolly and Drogheda, and the sets work other trains north of Connolly. They are interworked with other routes to ensure that they are serviced within the cycle.

If they stopped short then those trains wouldn't operate.

Finally, people south of Greystones are paying Intercity fares and more importantly commuters are paying Intercity season ticket prices. Expecting them to change a DART for half their journey really is not a runner.

Effects · 07-02-2020 7:52pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The new station should be predominantly pedestrian andccyclist access, any parking spaces should be disabled only. The cliff walk could be upgraded to provide better access.

What's the reason for cutting off park and ride?

prunudo · 07-02-2020 9:08pm

https://wicklownow.ie/news/off-the-rails-plan-to-upgrade-bray-to-greystones-dart-to-cost-an-extra-e600m/

Something not right here, can't be costing that much to upgrade the line can it. I would have thought you'd get a new tunnel for near that price.

donvito99 · 07-02-2020 10:02pm

prunudo wrote: »

https://wicklownow.ie/news/off-the-rails-plan-to-upgrade-bray-to-greystones-dart-to-cost-an-extra-e600m/

Something not right here, can't be costing that much to upgrade the line can it. I would have thought you'd get a new tunnel for near that price.

Isn't that the overall figure i.e. for Hazelhatch, Maynooth, Drogheda etc?

CatInABox · 07-02-2020 10:03pm

prunudo wrote: »

https://wicklownow.ie/news/off-the-rails-plan-to-upgrade-bray-to-greystones-dart-to-cost-an-extra-e600m/

Something not right here, can't be costing that much to upgrade the line can it. I would have thought you'd get a new tunnel for near that price.

The 600m increase isn't just down to the Bray/Greystones solution (in fact, I don't think that it's included at all in that price), it's just that as they plan and design this upgrade, they find that it costs more to do it. It's that simple. The original estimate was an educated guess, and as they get more into the design, they're finding out more precisely how much all this stuff costs.

Construction costs are increasing as well, faster than general inflation. This is mainly down to the fact that there's just not enough workers in the industry right now. A good problem to have overall, I suppose, I much prefer the Ireland where we're all working, rather then the bleak days of the recession.

The future of the Bray-Greystones line

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