EU to recommend abolishing DST

Harry Palmr · 08-09-2018 9:52pm

DST is the new bendy banana or cucumber for idiots and Eurosceptics.

Gallee · 09-09-2018 3:53am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

No.

They are keeping summertime. That’s the proposal.

How are they keeping Summertime also called DST if that’s what they are trying to get rid of? What am I missing? The piece in the journal is throwing me
“The Commission will be proposing that when we move the clocks forward on the last Sunday in March 2021 we won’t be moving the clocks forward or backwards anymore after that”.

If DST is going to be discarded how can you advance the clocks in March 2021 without visa versa in oct?

Just so I can get this straight...the proposal is to get rid of DST? Correct?
DST is the process of bringing clock forward in March and back in Oct? Correct? Sorry about this but I am not seeing this too easily.

Andy From Sligo · 09-09-2018 1:54pm

oh bloody hell is that right 2021 ! - i didn't realise it was that far off!

09-09-2018 3:25pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

no, but it could be a factor with a lot of people if EU keep imposing more things ...

Probably, Andy, if those imposed things included allowing Turkey or Serbia to join the EU, or if it included ignoring opposition to excessive immigration. Changing the clocks will be about as controversial as when the British imposed GMT on the Irish, who used Dublin Mean Time, in 1916.

Not sure if the Europhobic British tabloids would like that analogy to be highlighted, though.

Cork Boy 53 · 10-09-2018 1:34pm

Gallee wrote: »

How are they keeping Summertime also called DST if that’s what they are trying to get rid of? What am I missing? The piece in the journal is throwing me
“The Commission will be proposing that when we move the clocks forward on the last Sunday in March 2021 we won’t be moving the clocks forward or backwards anymore after that”.

If DST is going to be discarded how can you advance the clocks in March 2021 without visa versa in oct?

Just so I can get this straight...the proposal is to get rid of DST? Correct?
DST is the process of bringing clock forward in March and back in Oct? Correct? Sorry about this but I am not seeing this too easily.

No you are incorrect.What is being proposed is that EU countries will be on GMT+1 all year round from March 2021 onwards. If each member country agrees to this DST will be the standard time all year round.

Gallee · 11-09-2018 8:29am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No you are incorrect.What is being proposed is that EU countries will be on GMT+1 all year round from March 2021 onwards. If each member country agrees to this DST will be the standard time all year round.

Many thanks - appreciate the reply and answer.

Irish Kings · 11-09-2018 8:37am

It'll be dark until after 10am in the winter mornings, this will negatively effect anyone who works outdoors, but as most people are desk drones these days, and dislike getting up early, and like sitting up late, it won't matter. It'll suit most people.

irelandrover · 11-09-2018 8:55am

Irish Kings wrote: »

It'll be dark until after 10am in the winter mornings, this will negatively effect anyone who works outdoors, but as most people are desk drones these days, and dislike getting up early, and like sitting up late, it won't matter. It'll suit most people.

This doesnt make sense to me. There was 7.5 hours daylight last year on the shortest day of the year. If you work outside you got 7.5 hours daylight. After the change you will get 7.5 hours daylight.

seamus · 11-09-2018 9:56am

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No you are incorrect.What is being proposed is that EU countries will be on GMT+1 all year round from March 2021 onwards. If each member country agrees to this DST will be the standard time all year round.

No, you're actually incorrect.

The proposal here is that all EU countries will stop moving clocks back and forward. It's not that all EU countries will engage in clock harmonisation.

At present there are three time zones in the EU:
UTC (Us, the UK and Portugal)
UTC + 1 (almost everyone else)
UTC + 2 (the far eastern edges like Poland, Romania and Greece)

When the clocks change, everyone moves by an hour. So France remains one hour ahead, Greece remain two hours ahead.

This won't change under this proposal. We'll simply stop moving clocks back and forward, but France will still be an hour ahead of us.

We will also have a choice whether to move the clocks forward to UTC + 1 and stay there. Or to change back to UTC and stay there. In the latter case, we would now be two hours behind France and three behind Greece.

We're one of the few countries that can make this choice in practice. France (and most others on UTC+1) are going to have to go with the majority, otherwise you could end up in a scenario where Germany is an hour behind France. Which would make no sense.

We can kind of do what we like, as we'll always be at least an hour behind central europe. In astronomical terms, we should really be on UTC minus 1, but I do love those sweet summer bright evenings, I'd be happy with +1.

Riskymove · 11-09-2018 10:06am

Irish Kings wrote: »

It'll be dark until after 10am in the winter mornings, this will negatively effect anyone who works outdoors, but .

but you will have an extra hour of light in the evening for your outdoor work

Riskymove · 11-09-2018 10:11am

seamus wrote: »

We're one of the few countries that can make this choice in practice. France (and most others on UTC+1) are going to have to go with the majority, otherwise you could end up in a scenario where Germany is an hour behind France. Which would make no sense.
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this is what is leading to the concerns about the UK retaining DST

They would be an hour behind us for part of the year despite being east of us

as you say there could be all sorts of anomalies unless everyone participates

VinLieger · 11-09-2018 10:13am

Irish Kings wrote: »

It'll be dark until after 10am in the winter mornings, this will negatively effect anyone who works outdoors, but as most people are desk drones these days, and dislike getting up early, and like sitting up late, it won't matter. It'll suit most people.

It will only negatively affect them if they refuse to adapt, the number of hours of daylight will still be exactly the same so they should just adjust their days accordingly

Laois_Man · 11-09-2018 11:07am

VinLieger wrote: »

It will only negatively affect them if they refuse to adapt, the number of hours of daylight will still be exactly the same so they should just adjust their days accordingly

Where is the benefit of changing the current system of you're just gonna shift your day every day instead of shifting the clock twice a year?

VinLieger · 11-09-2018 11:17am

Laois_Man wrote: »

Where is the benefit of changing the current system of you're just gonna shift your day every day instead of shifting the clock twice a year?

Because shifting the clocks has proven through several studies to be bad for peoples health, that is why it is being discussed at an EU level, also its an archaic system that was put in place when the majority were still working outdoors and to make better us of the daylight

It would only be a small minority shifting their day that need daylight for their work these days.

Laois_Man · 11-09-2018 11:25am

VinLieger wrote: »

Because shifting the clocks has proven through several studies to be bad for peoples health, that is why it is being discussed at an EU level, also its an archaic system that was put in place when the majority were still working outdoors and to make better us of the daylight

Also it would only be a small minority shifting their day that need daylight for their work.

Studies? Nonsense!! People will perform a study to say whatever they want it to say. You lose an hours sleep once a year and it happens on a Sunday when most people don't have to get up at a set time anyway, so they still get their ~8 hours. Any effect on health has to do with the fact there will only be 8ish hours of daylight during December and January, not because the clocks have changed!

Even if it were true, shifting your day by one hour and changing the clock is the exact same darn thing!

The problem to me is "winter time" lasts too long. Clocks should be going back about 3 or 4 weeks later than they do and going forward again about 6 or 7 weeks earlier than they do!

irelandrover · 11-09-2018 11:31am

Laois_Man wrote: »

Studies? Nonsense!! People will perform a study to say whatever they want it to say. You lose an hours sleep once a year and it happens on a Sunday when most people don't have to get up at a set time anyway, so they still get their ~8 hours. Any effect on health has to do with the fact there will only be 8ish hours of daylight during December and January, not because the clocks have changed!

Even if it were true, shifting your day by one hour and changing the clock is the exact same darn thing!

The problem to me is "winter time" lasts too long. Clocks should be going back about 3 or 4 weeks later than they do and going forward again about 6 or 7 weeks earlier than they do!

I go to work for about 8 every day. I finish up and head home at 5. In the middle of winter i go to work in the dark and go home in teh dark.

I'd say that is the situation for a lot of people. If the time didnt change then i would go to work in teh dark and come home in daylight. It sounds a lot better to me.

VinLieger · 11-09-2018 11:32am

Laois_Man wrote: »

Studies? Nonsense!! People will perform a study to say whatever they want it to say.

Great way to discuss things, just dismiss the numerous experts and studies that disagree with you.

Also in literally every poll taken on the subject its massively unpopular and people vote for it to be scrapped but i assume these polls are people saying what they are told to as well?

Laois_Man · 11-09-2018 11:38am

VinLieger wrote: »

Great way to discuss things, just dismiss the numerous experts and studies that disagree with you.

Also in literally every poll taken on the subject its massively unpopular and people vote for it to be scrapped but i assume these polls are people saying what they are told to as well?

I didn't say I disagree with winter being bad for people's health. It's depressing. But changing the clocks is not the cause of winter!

It being dark at 9:30am is also going to be pretty depressing!

facehugger99 · 11-09-2018 11:46am

Laois_Man wrote: »

Studies? Nonsense!!

Who need studies.

It's how you feel about stuff that really matters, right?

Laois_Man · 11-09-2018 11:50am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who need studies.

It's how you feel about stuff that really matters, right?

For every expert you find saying DST is bad for health (I've never even seen one, someone states they exist plentifully and it becomes accepted), I'll find you ten that says the opposite.....

I reached out to sleep expert Clete Kushida, MD, PhD, medical director of the Stanford Sleep Medicine Center.

According to Kushida, there are no clear studies on how DST directly affects our physical and mental health. Although some research suggests DST has negative effects, such as the study by scientists at Stanford and Johns Hopkins that found a small, but significant increase in fatal car accidents on the Monday after DST in the spring, other research yielded findings that are tricky to interpret. For example, a study found a 25 percent increase in the number of heart attacks the Monday after we “spring forward," and a 21 percent decline in the number of heart attacks on Tuesday after DST in the fall. Yet, the total number of heart attacks the week after DST didn't change.

https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2017/11/04/stanford-expert-weighs-in-on-daylight-saving-time-and-the-extra-hour-of-sleep/

Elmer Blooker · 11-09-2018 11:52am

Anyone who wants it to be dark at 9.30am needs their head examined in my opinion. Anyway the dark evenings don't even last that long, by mid January it is bright at 5pm when it was dark at that time a month earlier.
I think someone should tell these EU bureaucrats that the earth isn't flat and is in fact round and the northern hemisphere tilts away from the sun during winter.
Why would anyone want it to get bright earlier in mid summer when we are all asleep and then lose an hour of daylight in the evening when we are awake?

An idiotic proposal that you expect from Brussels!

But changing the clocks is not the cause of winter!

Brilliant!!

VinLieger · 11-09-2018 11:55am

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Why would anyone want it to get bright earlier in mid summer when we are all asleep and then lose an hour of daylight in the evening when we are awake?

Thats not what would be happening, the proposal is for everyone to stick with summer time, but ultimately it is up to each country to decide. I would hope we stuck with summer time.

Elmer Blooker · 11-09-2018 12:05pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Thats not what would be happening, the proposal is for everyone to stick with summer time, but ultimately it is up to each country to decide. I would hope we stuck with summer time.

The sun rising an hour earlier in summer (around 3.45am?) at the expense of losing an hour of daylight in the evening makes no sense whatsoever.

The Scandinavians just put up with their dark winters and accept that the reason for the darkness is astronomical and nothing to do with clocks!

irelandrover · 11-09-2018 12:07pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The sun rising an hour earlier in summer (around 3.45am?) at the expense of losing an hour of daylight in the evening makes no sense whatsoever.

The Scandinavians just put up with their dark winters and accept that the reason for the darkness is astronomical and nothing to do with clocks!

Thats why nobody is proposing that.

BarryD2 · 11-09-2018 12:13pm

seamus wrote: »

Swings and roundabouts. The sun setting at 4 o'clock in the afternoon is just as absurd as it not rising till 10am.

You can't control the basic physics, only the labels we apply to it. Personally I feel that a later sunset in the winter would be worth having the later sunrise.

Absurd only to those that lie about in bed in the morning and stay up all night on boards! There should be roughly the same amount of daylight either side of midday. That's the whole concept of midday and that is 'wintertime' - a pejorative term if ever there was one. Should be changed to 'normaltime'.

For those that rise early for whatever reason, maximum daylight is valued and should be retained. If people feel that longer daylight in winter evenings is more valuable, well let them get up earlier and retune their diurnal rhythms.

seamus · 11-09-2018 12:21pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Absurd only to those that lie about in bed in the morning and stay up all night on boards!

Oh, if only!

For those that rise early for whatever reason, maximum daylight is valued and should be retained. If people feel that longer daylight in winter evenings is more valuable, well let them get up earlier and retune their diurnal rhythms.

Well, you know it's a matter of opinion. Maybe people should get up later and retune their rhythms instead of insisting that everyone else get up early to suit them.

Public opinion seems pretty one-sided on this, and the bright-morningers are firmly in a minority.

Elmer Blooker · 11-09-2018 12:46pm

irelandrover wrote: »

Thats why nobody is proposing that.

It seems to me that as Seamus says the bright morningers (like me) are firmly in a minority.
Sending groggy kids out to school, cycling etc, in the dark is absolutely reckless and irresponsible. At least in the evenings they will be more alert and as I said earlier the dark evenings don't last long,

seamus · 11-09-2018 1:01pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It seems to me that as Seamus says the bright morningers (like me) are firmly in a minority.
Sending groggy kids out to school, cycling etc, in the dark is absolutely reckless and irresponsible. At least in the evenings they will be more alert and as I said earlier the dark evenings don't last long,

Studies have shown internationally that children would be better served starting school later (10 or 11am) and finishing later. This allows for more sleep and better alertness during school hours.

So if the "cycling to school in the dark" argument has merit (which it probably does), that's an argument for later school starting rather than moving the clocks back.

Since we realistically sync ourselves to the clocks rather than the astronomical rhythms, moving the clocks back by an hour doesn't give us any extra sleep. Whereas starting school (and work) later, would.

prunudo · 11-09-2018 1:10pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It seems to me that as Seamus says the bright morningers (like me) are firmly in a minority.
Sending groggy kids out to school, cycling etc, in the dark is absolutely reckless and irresponsible. At least in the evenings they will be more alert and as I said earlier the dark evenings don't last long,

100% agree with you. At present its mid January before you see a change in the mornings. A dark wet morning till 10am isn't going to be fun.
At present the evenings are never really an issue, by the time you come back from Christmas holidays i think you've already gained more than 10 mins in evening light.

dxhound2005 · 11-09-2018 1:42pm

Will this mean the end of a grand stretch in the evenings?

The Cush · 11-09-2018 2:04pm

seamus wrote: »

The proposal here is that all EU countries will stop moving clocks back and forward. It's not that all EU countries will engage in clock harmonisation.

As confirmed in the press release last week

In parallel to the daylight saving time arrangement in the European Union, the Member States apply three different time zones or standard times. The decision on the standard time is a national competence.

Irish Kings · 11-09-2018 6:49pm

Riskymove wrote: »

but you will have an extra hour of light in the evening for your outdoor work

VinLieger wrote: »

It will only negatively affect them if they refuse to adapt, the number of hours of daylight will still be exactly the same so they should just adjust their days accordingly

I don't think some people understand often difficult and complex outdoor work.
Daylight is much more beneficial earlier in the working day than at the end of the day.

Granted as more and more people are sedentary office drones these days, this becomes less important/known, but optimal infrastructure development and food supply are still important parts of a solid economy.

And before anyone get's their panties in a big twist, I don't care what the clocks do, I'm just trying to explain some of the reasons why the present situation exists in the first place.

Infini · 11-09-2018 6:53pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No you are incorrect.What is being proposed is that EU countries will be on GMT+1 all year round from March 2021 onwards. If each member country agrees to this DST will be the standard time all year round.

Well im Not in favour of permenant DST. Would like them to abandon it outright as in GMT year round not permenant "Summer time".

facehugger99 · 11-09-2018 7:24pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It seems to me that as Seamus says the bright morningers (like me) are firmly in a minority.
Sending groggy kids out to school, cycling etc, in the dark is absolutely reckless and irresponsible. At least in the evenings they will be more alert and as I said earlier the dark evenings don't last long,

Nor will the dark mornings you're complaining about.

Riskymove · 12-09-2018 3:46pm

Latest from EU

http://www.thejournal.ie/clock-changing-must-stop-european-commission-want-to-abolish-seasonal-clock-changes-4231600-Sep2018/

Riskymove · 12-09-2018 3:50pm

Irish Kings wrote: »

Daylight is much more beneficial earlier in the working day than at the end of the day.

why is this? (honest question)

At deepest winter we get what?, 7 hours of light

if this is 10-5 rather than 9-4 what is the big difference? Can outdoor workers not work from 10 instead of 9?

Irish Kings · 12-09-2018 9:21pm

Riskymove wrote: »

why is this? (honest question)

At deepest winter we get what?, 7 hours of light

if this is 10-5 rather than 9-4 what is the big difference? Can outdoor workers not work from 10 instead of 9?

Most outdoor workers start a lot earlier than 9, and you really want them to go home even later to their families ?

Riskymove · 12-09-2018 9:31pm

Irish Kings wrote: »

Most outdoor workers start a lot earlier than 9, and you really want them to go home even later to their families ?

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Sorry You've lost me

dxhound2005 · 12-09-2018 9:32pm

Riskymove wrote: »

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Sorry You've lost me

They are trying to keep you in the dark.

Irish Kings · 12-09-2018 9:33pm

Riskymove wrote: »

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Sorry You've lost me

they still have to work a full day, and you want them to start later ?

12-09-2018 9:35pm

Irish Kings wrote: »

I don't think some people understand often difficult and complex outdoor work.
Daylight is much more beneficial earlier in the working day than at the end of the day.
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You only say this as you are obviously a morning person. I work in an office but I worked on the buildings for years while studying and have worked on the farm since I was a child and will be doing so for many years to come and I have been calling for summer time to be adopted all year round long before most. I never started on a building site before 9 (often later) and the first hour or so is just waking up (same as in an office job) much more beneficial to have a bit more light in the afternoon when you are into the full swing of things rather than being half asleep.

From a farming perspective it’s very rarely we start on weekends until after 10am and if checking stock, doing any morning feeding before work etc in the winter it’s going to be dark either way. However especially as the days start to stretch a bit the bit of light in the evenings might allow you to get some stuff done on the farm after work in the evening which would be very helpful.

The sooner the clock changing is scrapped the better.

Irish Kings wrote: »

they still have to work a full day, and you want them to start later ?

So what if they have to start later, many people prefer later starts and finishing later again those who aren’t fond of the morning like myself. Also it doesn’t really make sense if they are starting so early then they are working in the dark as things are anyway so if they choose to keep their early starts that’s their choice but if they start work in the dark now then they can obviously do the work in the dark (or with artificial lighting) thus they can still work in the but of extra morning dark if the clocks changing is scrapped.

If this was voted on I’d expect a massive majority would opt for stick with summer time including people who work outdoors.

Irish Kings · 12-09-2018 9:45pm

Leroy Cuddly Warmonger wrote: »

You only say this as you are obviously a morning person. I work in an office but I worked on the buildings for years while studying and have worked on the farm since I was a child and will be doing so for many years to come and I have been calling for summer time to be adopted all year round long before most. I never started on a building site before 9 (often later) and the first hour or so is just waking up (same as in an office job) much more beneficial to have a bit more light in the afternoon when you are into the full swing of things rather than being half asleep.

From a farming perspective it’s very rarely we start on weekends until after 10am and if checking stock, doing any morning feeding before work etc in the winter it’s going to be dark either way. However especially as the days start to stretch a bit the bit of light in the evenings might allow you to get some stuff done on the farm after work in the evening which would be very helpful.

The sooner the clock changing is scrapped the better.

So what if they have to start later, many people prefer later starts and finishing later again those who aren’t fond of the morning like myself. Also it doesn’t really make sense if they are starting so early then they are working in the dark as things are anyway so if they choose to keep their early starts that’s their choice but if they start work in the dark now then they can obviously do the work in the dark (or with artificial lighting) thus they can still work in the but of extra morning dark if the clocks changing is scrapped.

If this was voted on I’d expect a massive majority would opt for stick with summer time including people who work outdoors.

Read the post again, especially this bit

Irish Kings wrote: »

And before anyone get's their panties in a big twist, I don't care what the clocks do, I'm just trying to explain some of the reasons why the present situation exists in the first place.

The Cush · 12-09-2018 10:34pm

Some Q&As on the Commission's proposal to put an end to seasonal clock changes in today's State of the Union 2018 speech

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-5709_en.htm
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-18-5641_en.htm

The legislative process starts here - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/soteu2018-discontinuing-seasonal-changes-time-directive-639_en.pdf

The commission is proposing to end the changing of clocks next year, 2019. Member states will decide in 2019 their permanent standard time, summertime or wintertime, and notify the commission by April next.

The Commission proposes to stop the bi-annual clock changes in the EU in 2019. This would put an end to the practice of changing the clock forward by one hour in March and backward by one hour in October. In order to avoid any fragmentation in the internal market, Member States will decide whether they want to maintain permanent summer- or wintertime. They will notify the European Commission of their decision. After this, they will no longer able to apply seasonal clock changes. Member States will remain free to decide which time zone to apply to their territories.

Does the Commission propose permanent summertime/wintertime all across the European Union?

No. The European Commission's proposal is about putting an end to seasonal clock changes in a coordinated manner. The decision to apply permanent summer- or wintertime will be taken by each Member State. It is desirable that Member States take the decisions on the standard time that each of them will apply as from 2019 in a concerted manner.

Why can't some Member States continue to apply seasonal clock changes if they wish to do so?

The Commission proposes to put an end to seasonal clock changes for the entire European Union. In other words, Member States will no longer maintain national arrangements of seasonal clock changes. This is to safeguard the proper functioning of the internal market and avoid disruptions by uncoordinated action by Member States. This includes potential disruption to the scheduling of transport operations and the functioning of information and communication systems, higher costs to cross-border trade, or lower productivity for goods and services. A continued harmonised regime – whereby all Member States abolish the bi-annual clock changes – is therefore essential.

How and when would the proposed change be implemented?

To allow for a smooth transition, under the Commission's proposal each Member State would notify by April 2019 whether it intends to apply permanent summer- or wintertime. This should be based on coordination between Member States, possible consultations and assessments at national and European level.

The last mandatory change to summertime would take place on Sunday 31 March 2019. After this, the Member States wishing to permanently switch back to wintertime would still be able to make one last seasonal clock change on Sunday 27 October 2019. Following that date, seasonal changes would no longer be possible.

This timeline is conditional on the European Parliament and the Council adopting the Commission's proposal by March 2019 at the latest.

Niles Crane · 13-09-2018 12:39pm

The Cush wrote: »

Some Q&As on the Commission's proposal to put an end to seasonal clock changes in today's State of the Union 2018 speech

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-5709_en.htm
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-18-5641_en.htm

The legislative process starts here - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/soteu2018-discontinuing-seasonal-changes-time-directive-639_en.pdf

The commission is proposing to end the changing of clocks next year, 2019. Member states will decide in 2019 their permanent standard time, summertime or wintertime, and notify the commission by April next.

Have we the right to just leave things as they are.

CruelCoin · 13-09-2018 2:19pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

Have we the right to just leave things as they are.

"You vill not stop ze eva closa union, ya?"

Short answer, not if the rest of the EU overrules.

bnt · 13-09-2018 2:24pm

I've occasionally wondered why Ireland follows UK time, when Ireland is about 24-44 minutes behind UK time, geographically. Dublin gets the Sun about 25 minutes behind Greenwich, while Tralee is 39 minutes behind. Logically, Ireland should be in a time zone 1/2h behind the UK's.

So if Ireland was to adopt a fixed summer time zone, equal to BST but 1h ahead of GMT, it would actually mean about 27 minutes extra morning Sun on average: 35 minutes in Dublin, and only about 20 mins in the far West.

Niles Crane · 13-09-2018 2:28pm

CruelCoin wrote: »

"You vill not stop ze eva closa union, ya?"

Short answer, not if the rest of the EU overrules.

Just as I thought.

Show you the joke the EU has become because it's been put out there that each individual member gets to decide but I suppose a bit like the Lisbon treaty we only get to decide if we happen to agree with what the EU wants.

This could cause me to have to leave my job as I could mean being forced to work 10-6 rather than 9-5.

Cork Boy 53 · 13-09-2018 2:31pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

Have we the right to just leave things as they are.

If you mean keep changing the clocks twice a year, it seems the answer is no.

Doctor Jimbob · 13-09-2018 2:41pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

Just as I thought.

Show you the joke the EU has become because it's been put out there that each individual member gets to decide but I suppose a bit like the Lisbon treaty we only get to decide if we happen to agree with what the EU wants.

This could cause me to have to leave my job as I could mean being forced to work 10-6 rather than 9-5.

Sounds like the issue here is your employer more than the EU.

Niles Crane · 13-09-2018 2:59pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Sounds like the issue here is your employer more than the EU.

It is aswell.

But each country should be allowed to decide for itself whether it wants to keep things as they are or change with the new rules.

EU to recommend abolishing DST

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