Why no movies about 1916?

veryangryman · 19-04-2015 8:58pm #1

Just wondering given

a) The centenary
b) How many movies are out commemorating practicallly anything these days

Why they arent doing anything movie-wise on the Rising. Seems like a great topic to cover.

Is it the sensitivity etc...didnt stop them with Wind That Shakes Barley. Any theories?

The One Doctor · 19-04-2015 9:01pm

I don't think anyone cares about 1916 anymore. I certainly don't.

Phil Mitchell · 19-04-2015 9:01pm

Probably because they lost. And people would start crying if the story took the British side for the happy ending.

The Backwards Man · 19-04-2015 9:02pm

It's simple. Daniel Day Lewis can't to a Scottish accent, and Liam Neeson can't do an Irish one.

Mint Aero · 19-04-2015 9:02pm

*coughs*

Liam Neeson was in one.

\movie production.

Mr. Incognito · 19-04-2015 9:03pm

No happy ending.

Everyone dies

Mint Aero · 19-04-2015 9:03pm

The One Doctor wrote: »

I don't think anyone cares about 1916 anymore. I certainly don't.

Only in Ireland :rolleyes:

Saipanne · 19-04-2015 9:04pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Why no movies about the eastern front in world war two?

There are tonnes of them.

Spunge · 19-04-2015 9:06pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Why no movies about the eastern front in world war two?

i can think of 3 stalingrad movies

Duckworth_Luas · 19-04-2015 9:07pm

A blockbuster was made starring Brad Pitt, Christian Bale, Leonardo DiCaprio and Denzel Washington as Eamon De Valera.

However, at the premier in Los Angeles Iwasfrozen chained himself to the railings outside and Lord Sutch showed up with a "Down with this sort of thing" sign.

The whole project had to be cancelled.

DVDM93 · 19-04-2015 9:10pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Any you would recommend?

Stalingrad 1, Stalingrad 2 and Stalingrad 3.

mikemac1 · 19-04-2015 9:10pm

Young Indiana Jones fought in 1916 alongside Sean Lemass.

I saw it on TV so it's true!

Spunge · 19-04-2015 9:13pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Any you would recommend?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108211/ this one

havent seen enemy at the gates in a few years so not sure on that one

stalingrad 2013 i do not recommend but it has some cool cgi sequences.

degrassinoel · 19-04-2015 9:22pm

Some decent 1916 related films you might have missed

Michael Collins by Neil Jordan

The Treaty (more to do with 1921, than 16 but worth a watch as it deals with the aftermath of the rising and the treaty which divided the country and sent us into a civil war.

Insurrection eight part series depicting the rising, made in 1966 - havent had the pleasure of seeing it but i've heard it was excellent, would be surprised if RTE didnt show it next year at some point before easter.

the evasion_kid · 19-04-2015 9:25pm

Wouldn't have a good enough ending for the cinema,unless they make an alternate ending where the g.p.o is secretly an alien spaceship and they CGI it lifting off towards the end of the fighting,the leaders of the rising are now on a planet with Elvis and 2pac

19-04-2015 9:25pm

It might work. I mean Michael Collins and The Wind that Shakes the Barley did really well internationally. So it isn't so much to say that there is no interest, because there would be if the story is good.

LordSutch · 19-04-2015 9:26pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Just wondering given

a) The centenary
b) How many movies are out commemorating practicallly anything these days

Why they arent doing anything movie-wise on the Rising. Seems like a great topic to cover.

Is it the sensitivity etc...didnt stop them with Wind That Shakes Barley. Any theories?

Maybe its because in the grand scheme of things, the rising was a very small event which took place during a very turbulent war in Europe where millions of men died fighting, not least the fifty thousand Irish men who died on the continent between 1914-1918. The Easter Rising itself was in reality a very small blip on the landscape (of world affairs at that time), hence there are much bigger stories to tell about the period.

Two Big films about the rising; The wind that shakes the barley & Michael Collins.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 19-04-2015 9:26pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Why no movies about the eastern front in world war two?

Here's a couple of decent ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defiance_%282008_film%29

osarusan · 19-04-2015 9:32pm

The Wind That Shakes the Barley is set from 1920 onwards, and is far more about the war of independence and following civil war.

The 1916 rising isn't really a major part of the story at all.

KingBrian2 · 19-04-2015 9:33pm

These films can be hijacked by political interests who ruin an enjoyable watch by claiming it is not authentic or else want to make huge commercial sales.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-04-2015 9:34pm

Interesting stat : The potato gun was invented in 1916 by a farmer with a grudge.

Earthhorse · 19-04-2015 9:35pm

Because it's boring. I know many of you want to believe it isn't, but it is.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 19-04-2015 9:38pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

Because it's boring. I know many of you want to believe it isn't, but it is.

A good film maker can make any story interesting on the screen.

R P McMurphy · 19-04-2015 9:38pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

Because it's boring. I know many of you want to believe it isn't, but it is.

Armed insurrection is a boring incident? What do you do to liven things up?

KingBrian2 · 19-04-2015 9:38pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

Because it's boring. I know many of you want to believe it isn't, but it is.

Plenty of WW2 films are boring too. I've heard the Great Escape is a brilliant film however I have still never got round to watching it up to the very end. After 20 minutes it becomes a slog.

Earthhorse · 19-04-2015 9:42pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

A good film maker can make any story interesting on the screen.

They also have an instinct for what makes a good story and what doesn't.

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Armed insurrection is a boring incident? What do you do to liven things up?

Post on boards.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Plenty of WW2 films are boring too. I've heard the Great Escape is a brilliant film however I have still never got round to watching it up to the very end. After 20 minutes it becomes a slog.

I don't remember if it is or isn't but that's possibly more to do with how the pacing and style of cinema has changed since then. But I agree plenty of WW2 films are boring. That doesn't make 1916 particularly interesting.

Duckworth_Luas · 19-04-2015 9:43pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Plenty of WW2 films are boring too. I've heard the Great Escape is a brilliant film however I have still never got round to watching it up to the very end. After 20 minutes it becomes a slog.

After 20 minutes the Germans were 3-0 up but thanks to great performances from Ossie Ardiles, Pele and Rocky the Allies eventually snatch a draw.

MathDebater · 19-04-2015 9:46pm

'A Terrible Beauty' is meant to be a decent watch.

http://tilefilms.ie/productions/a-terrible-beauty/

George White · 19-04-2015 9:49pm

Isn't Insurrection - the TV series lost or was junked like most Irish/British TV?

KingBrian2 · 19-04-2015 9:53pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

After 20 minutes the Germans were 3-0 up but thanks to great performances from Ossie Ardiles, Pele and Rocky the Allies eventually snatch a draw.

Your mixing up the Great Escape with Escape to Victory which was about a soccer match. I prefer that film. It even had a great movie theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jzV1n2nrU

Zamboni · 19-04-2015 9:54pm

MathDebater wrote: »

'A Terrible Beauty' is meant to be a decent watch.

http://tilefilms.ie/productions/a-terrible-beauty/

Fantastic movie style documentary featuring the lesser known Battle of Mount Street where around 17 volunteers held off literally hundreds of Sherwood Forresters.
OP should definitely watch this one.
Gives a good perspective from British soldiers too.

Fratton Fred · 19-04-2015 9:55pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

After 20 minutes the Germans were 3-0 up but thanks to great performances from Ossie Ardiles, Pele and Rocky the Allies eventually snatch a draw.

And thankfully didn't (for once) win the penalty shoot out.

worded · 19-04-2015 10:02pm

I'm sure these people had passion and fire in their bellies fighting for ireland with their lives

We have keyboard warriors now with dough nuts in theirs

pablomakaveli · 19-04-2015 10:09pm

It would make for a good movie i think. Maybe tell it from the perspective of different people involved in the rising like one of the leaders, and another perspective from a volunteer and a woman involved or something like that.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 19-04-2015 10:17pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

They also have an instinct for what makes a good story and what doesn't.

Post on boards.

I don't remember if it is or isn't but that's possibly more to do with how the pacing and style of cinema has changed since then. But I agree plenty of WW2 films are boring. That doesn't make 1916 particularly interesting.

How do you define what is boring and what isn't?

I'd imagine a lot of people would consider a film with a small army rising against a significantly greater power to be quite interesting.

RickDeckard · 19-04-2015 10:47pm

The One Doctor wrote: »

I don't think anyone cares about 1916 anymore. I certainly don't.

That post makes me so mad its hard to formulate a popper response apart from:

YOUR QUITE WRONG.

What are you, 11? massive eejit.

Streetwalker · 19-04-2015 11:03pm

The One Doctor wrote: »

I don't think anyone cares about 1916 anymore. I certainly don't.

So nobody at all cares about 1916 because you don't? Right so.

Earthhorse · 19-04-2015 11:04pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

How do you define what is boring and what isn't?

I'd imagine a lot of people would consider a film with a small army rising against a significantly greater power to be quite interesting.

I don't define I just decide for myself. I don't hear anyone I know speak about 1916 with great excitement or enthusiasm.

I'm sure there are a rake of scintillating scripts out there though and a queue of directors waiting to get them made.

Harry Palmr · 19-04-2015 11:09pm

http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2015/0331/691065-the-rising/

Writer-producer Kevin McCann has said he plans to have The Rising, "the first movie ever" about the Easter 1916 Rising, in cinemas next year, and hopes to begin production on the Colin Morgan-starring film in the Autumn, if a lead investor can be secured.

http://www.therising.ie/

Capt'n Midnight · 19-04-2015 11:49pm

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Why no movies about the eastern front in world war two?

Cross of Iron http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Wheels of Terror http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093546/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
Come and See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/

Also there is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Indiana_Jones_Chronicles
Ireland, April 1916

awec · 20-04-2015 12:11am

Mint Aero wrote: »

*coughs*

Liam Neeson was in one.

\movie production.

Does that movie not about the bits after 1916?

TheMilkyPirate · 20-04-2015 12:19am

The One Doctor wrote: »

I don't think anyone cares about 1916 anymore. I certainly don't.

WTF is this ****? Is it fashionable these days to not care about your national history. A lot of people care including me, those men that fought had more courage and pride in their small toe than you ever will.

jimmythedivil · 20-04-2015 12:31am

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

WTF is this ****? Is it fashionable these days to not care about your national history. A lot of people care including me, those men that fought had more courage and pride in their small toe than you ever will.

I worked at a tourist site before and by far the most ignorant visitors I encountered on a daily basis were Irish. Staggering to think that people are so ignorant of their own history.

I would love it if they made a 1916 film simply because it creates discussion on the events of the time. When Michael Collins and Wind That Shakes the Barley were released they sparked a lot of interesting debate about the period that even today is good to look back and read up on. However, I don't think either of these films did that well internationally. Even Michael Collins, despite the A-list cast (or maybe because of it) didn't do too well outside of Ireland.

The govt is probably shy about throwing money at another troubles related film given that quite a few Provos claimed to have been inspired by 'Insurrection' in 1966. Kevin McCann seems to have great ambitions for his project but surely it's too late now for him to get a full length movie filmed and ready for release in less than twelve months?!

longshanks · 20-04-2015 12:38am

DVDM93 wrote: »

Stalingrad 1, Stalingrad 2 and Stalingrad 3.

Stalingrad.

Stalingradder.

Stalingraddest.

JacquesDeLad · 20-04-2015 12:42am

There's plenty of 1916 stuff, of the Rising and at the Somme etc.

Not so much about the Irish during WWII or what revolutionaries were doing in the '50s. Huge gaps in history to be filled by adventurous, and maybe brave, film makers.

the_syco · 20-04-2015 12:48am

Are you my Daddy wrote: »

Why no movies about the eastern front in world war two?

Have you seen Outpost yet? You can't kill a good Nazi!

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Worked in the cinema when "Wind That Shakes the Barley" came out. It's the only film I know that had an audience for every showing, and they only stopped showing it two weeks before it came out on DVD!

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1916 has a **** ending, so either you a) mess with what actually happened or b) portray the brits as filthy inhumane monsters, or c) cut to the credits with the lines "and everyone was shot that day", or something to that line.

PTH2009 · 20-04-2015 12:54am

Maybe a drunken thing but I have a scary feeling the uda or someone might plan an attack during the celebbratory thing next year there are some sick ****ers around

OU812 · 20-04-2015 1:11am

I suggest you check out Mise Eire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2DzTCKnUqM

OU812 · 20-04-2015 1:16am

Actually, there's room for a decent six part TV drama (more so than a movie) in the style of Strumpet city telling the story from different perspectives (even a black & tan or british soldier). RTE do great drama, I'm surprised they didn't do anything. It's too late now to have anything on by April 24th next year, they'd want to be already filming.

Goat the dote · 20-04-2015 8:40am

There was a 10 part programme on tg4. If you look up 1916 documentary on YouTube it comes up. Parts of it are subtitled but it's very good

conorhal · 20-04-2015 9:41am

OU812 wrote: »

Actually, there's room for a decent six part TV drama (more so than a movie) in the style of Strumpet city telling the story from different perspectives (even a black & tan or british soldier). RTE do great drama, I'm surprised they didn't do anything. It's too late now to have anything on by April 24th next year, they'd want to be already filming.

I agree, and you'd have thought that given the anniversary and all that some major production would have been in the works, I however and far from surprised that RTE didn't, I'd fire the lot of them and put the TG4 producers in charge in a heartbeat.

Why no movies about 1916?

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