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    #62
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    Just reading a piece on carbon emissions, Saudi oil which is consumed in Ireland counts as part of our carbon emissions, we sell food to Saudi Arabia whose emissions does it go against? You would think Saudi....well your wrong it counts as part of our emissions....go figure, Colm McCarthy supports a universal consumption carbon tax....would this then hit exports as people who consume would have to start making hard choices.....new bmw v steak for dinner as an extreme example.

    I seen that too. Isn’t it total nonsense. Have it one way or the other


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    #63
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    farawaygrass wrote: »
    I seen that too. Isn’t it total nonsense. Have it one way or the other

    Yeah he makes some interesting points.....US and Europe blame China yet as he puts it, have exported a lot of there carbon intensive production. Based on domestic consumption the carbon map would look very different


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    #64
    Figerty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    Just reading a piece on carbon emissions, Saudi oil which is consumed in Ireland counts as part of our carbon emissions, we sell food to Saudi Arabia whose emissions does it go against? You would think Saudi....well your wrong it counts as part of our emissions....go figure, Colm McCarthy supports a universal consumption carbon tax....would this then hit exports as people who consume would have to start making hard choices.....new bmw v steak for dinner as an extreme example.

    Is the logic that the carbon is released from the Oil here.
    The cows grow, belch and fart in Ireland, releasing the carbon here..

    That would make sense.


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    #65
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Figerty wrote: »
    Is the logic that the carbon is released from the Oil here.
    The cows grow, belch and fart in Ireland, releasing the carbon here..

    That would make sense.

    Kinda but his point is products should be made where it is most efficient to do it.
    If there is no demand it wouldn’t be produced, his point is it is most efficient to drill for oil in Saudi and for us to produce cattle from a carbon perspective rather than the other way round, there is a carbon foot print with producing oil aswell


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    #66
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,114 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The main use on farms of oil, imported energy, would be nitrogen fertiliser and tractor diesel.
    The GHG produced would mainly be methane from cattle belching.


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    #67
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Water John wrote: »
    The main use on farms of oil, imported energy, would be nitrogen fertiliser and tractor diesel.
    The GHG produced would mainly be methane from cattle belching.

    Intensive cattle rearing and fattening farms that use increased amounts of the above are supposed to be more carbon efficient than extensive or even organic farms.. that’s my reading of my board bia chart anyway. What utter nonsense.


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    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Figerty wrote: »
    Is the logic that the carbon is released from the Oil here.
    The cows grow, belch and fart in Ireland, releasing the carbon here..
    That would make sense.


    Well afaik the carbon figures include such things as transport and inputs as well

    So this raises the interesting question that those who wish to offset their carbon commissions do so by getting others to shoulder the responsibility of production. A huge amount of Irish agricultural produce is consumed else where, a lot of it in Europe. Germany is a prime example of this and yet preaches to other countries about 'their responsibilitues" 

    The carbon figures also appear to ignore carbon sequestration by grassland and has been much criticised.


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    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Water John wrote: »
    The main use on farms of oil, imported energy, would be nitrogen fertiliser and tractor diesel.
    The GHG produced would mainly be methane from cattle belching.


    A recent NASA study, has confirmed that known Methane spike tied to Oil and Gas.

    https://www.ecowatch.com/nasa-study-methane-spike-2526089909.html?fbclid=IwAR1U87gLM7Mz9MyrYPPoBEfixyCldqpLIDUR0H0ijJFSgRl4lRqoUEw0uxE

    Interesting that rice farming has now been also identified as a major emitter of methane
    Using this data, "the team showed that about 17 teragrams per year of the increase is due to fossil fuels, another 12 is from wetlands or rice farming, while fires are decreasing by about 4 teragrams per year," NASA said in a Jan. 2 press release. "The three numbers combine to 25 teragrams a year—the same as the observed increase."


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    148multi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭148multi


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Intensive cattle rearing and fattening farms that use increased amounts of the above are supposed to be more carbon efficient than extensive or even organic farms.. that’s my reading of my board bia chart anyway. What utter nonsense.

    As I understand it, in intensive farming the grass is more easily digested, as in more leaf and less stem or dead grass as would be the case in extensive farming, so less methane produced from intense farming.


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    #71
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    It’s like an anology you’d see on a episode of the simpsons! Our extensive farming ancestors ruined the world but we will fix it with feedlots and imported artificial fertilizer,soya and maize.. and container loads of throwaway plastic consumer products from China!


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