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Mayweather to fight Tenshin Nasukawa on New Year's Eve in Tokoyo

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    #32
    Try_harder
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    walshb wrote: »
    Hearns is actually the worst style for him...

    Tall, rangy, rapid fast, snappy and heavy handed...

    Watch SRL/Hearns 1 to see what type of fighter it takes to beat a WW Hearns..

    Floyd is nothing like that fighter. He may survive, but hed be on his bike all night defending..

    He would be on his bike picking off shots


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    #33
    walshb
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    He would be on his bike picking off shots

    No...

    Because Hearns would not be picked off by those Mayweather single shots.....

    Mayweather can't win this by retreating. He stays put and fights/boxes and he is outgunned...

    Tommy's too good a boxer, with a 4 inch height advantage and quite a reach advantage.

    Hearns' jab alone will win him a lot of this fight. Floyd would have to be even more careful on his defense to avoid Hearns right hands and left hooks through the body.

    He's too good a bigger man for Floyd, and as well he wouldn't be facing the type of power and sting that SRL brought...


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    #34
    Morrison J
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    Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh. Chavez' style would give him problems though no doubt.

    At welterweight he's a long way off the best. Didn't beat enough top fighters at their peak at that weight to be one of the greats.

    All time P4P he's a good bit down the pecking order. Outside the top 20 for sure.


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    #35
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh. Chavez' style would give him problems though no doubt.

    At welterweight he's a long way off the best. Didn't beat enough top fighters at their peak at that weight to be one of the greats.

    All time P4P he's a good bit down the pecking order. Outside the top 20 for sure.

    regarding WW

    We can only match him with Hearns and SRL at WW....

    Floyd had enough fights here to assess him, even if he wasn't the biggest WW. He went to WW in his late 20s...

    His peak was 130 - 140.....fights across all three classes.....


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    #36
    Morrison J
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    I think a 1970s Duran at lightweight beats him easily.

    Yep the first Mayweather v Castillo fight is the simple blueprint as to why Duran would have abused Floyd over 12 rounds.

    He did things both offensively and defensively that a defensive wizard like Floyd could never do. He did those things against true elite fighters in their peak over decades, while fighting in weight classes far above his natural weight. His win against a prime Sugar Ray Leonard is the best win ever imo.

    There is zero arguement for putting Floyd over Duran in an ATG discussion, literally zero. Duran is the best fighter of the last 50 years for me.


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    #37
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Floyd's peak was at 130. His best ever win/performance being v Corrales. I don't think I'd take any other 130 in history to beat him tbh.

    Lomachenko?


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    #38
    Morrison J
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    walshb wrote: »
    regarding WW

    We can only match him with Hearns and SRL at WW....

    Floyd had enough fights here to assess him, even if he wasn't the biggest WW. He went to WW in his late 20s...

    His peak was 130 - 140.....fights across all three classes.....

    I don't think Floyd could beat Hearns. Horrendous style matchup for him. He'd get outworked with the jab all night. Defence was always Hearn's achilles heal but against a significantly smaller guy with very low punch output it'd be pretty easy work for him I think.

    Would take Leonard to beat Floyd too. Too good offensively and would be able to jab with Floyd no problem. Oscar won rounds against Floyd and SRL can bring a similar style but do practically everything better than Oscar. SRL way too good of an inside fighter too. Would win clear on points imo.

    Whitaker v Floyd is a tough fight for both and a real 50/50 imo. I'd maybe edge to Whitaker given Floyd's struggles with southpaws and Whitaker being by far the better inside fighter but I'd say that with no real confidence.


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    #39
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    I don't think Floyd could beat Hearns. Horrendous style matchup for him. He'd get outworked with the jab all night. Defence was always Hearn's achilles heal but against a significantly smaller guy with very low punch output it'd be pretty easy work for him I think.

    Would take Leonard to beat Floyd too. Too good offensively and would be able to jab with Floyd no problem. Oscar won rounds against Floyd and SRL can bring a similar style but do practically everything better than Oscar. SRL way too good of an inside fighter too. Would win clear on points imo.

    Whitaker v Floyd is a tough fight for both and a real 50/50 imo. I'd maybe edge to Whitaker given Floyd's struggles with southpaws and Whitaker being by far the better inside fighter but I'd say that with no real confidence.

    Can't argue with any of this...

    You'll be happy to hear...


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    #40
    Morrison J
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    walshb wrote: »
    Lomachenko?

    I'd make Floyd the favourite for sure. Floyd consistently hurt & knocked out world level opponents at 130, 135 & 140. Years of fighting at welterweight with dodgy hands has people forgetting how much he could punch I think. Loma would need a near punch perfect performance to win I think. Couldn't be making the errors he made against Linares for example. Great fight though.


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    #41
    walshb
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    I'd make Floyd the favourite for sure. Floyd consistently hurt & knocked out world level opponents at 130, 135 & 140. Years of fighting at welterweight with dodgy hands has people forgetting how much he could punch I think. Loma would need a near punch perfect performance to win I think. Couldn't be making the errors he made against Linares for example. Great fight though.

    Agreed. Too sharp, taller, rangier and I can't see how Loma breaks him down. Floyd keeps this mid to long and pecks and pokes all night. Lomachenko gets inside and he hits nothing and is faced with a man who can fight inside.

    Floyd's lead right hand could cause Lomachenko issues.


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    #42
    megadodge
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    walshb wrote: »
    Roy's feet were no way better than Floyd's. Floyd has more versatility in his ring movement.

    Roy's D was not as sturdy/reliable/good IMO.

    His chin definitely not as sturdy. I think Floyd takes a better flush shot.

    I'd give Floyd the advantage in jab....Roy had a a "weak" jab.

    Edit: These points all relating to p4p, of course!

    Roy's feet were better than Floyd's, but I'll admit it is close.

    Considering you are the very poster that on this site claimed (when trying to denigrate Jones chin) that Jones was never hit flush on the chin during his prime, that's a strange claim to make about defense. While I don't completely agree, the fact that it's hard to remember anyone hitting him clean shows how ridiculously hard Jones was to hit. I've no doubt his defense was better. Did anyone ever land the amount of punches on Jones in his prime that Castillo did on a prime Mayweather?

    There was nothing wrong with Jones chin, which was proven by the fact that he was finally KO'd at the age of THIRTY FIVE after FIFTEEN years as a top notch pro. It NEVER takes that long to expose a bad chin - unless of course he had an incredible defense! However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better.

    This most laughable thing that Jones non-believers make out to be a weakness is Jones general non-use of the jab. It really is a non-arguement. He simply was so good he didn't have to use it. On the rare occasions he did (Ruiz) it was superb. Jones could land triple and quadruple lead left hooks without getting hit back and people somehow desparately claim he had no jab, therefore wasn't a true great??? Mike Tyson didn't use his jab that often, but when he did it was excellent. Yet I never hear anyone use that as a reason to claim Tyson wasn't great.

    The whole non-use of the jab is usually reserved to criticise sluggers. I don't think anyone in their right mind would call Jones a slugger. He had zero problems closing the distance, with his superb feet, judgment of distance and reading of any situation and he was able to land power punches in place of jabs, so why would he hit somebody with lighter punches when he could hit them with harder, more eye-catching punches?

    Can you name any other fighter with a "weak" jab that got hit as little and could land at will on all opponents as Jones? He was unique.


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    #43
    walshb
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    Floyd’s chin was better...he took a better shot..

    Roy has been iced several times. One punch shots..

    So what if he was 35....he still got ktfo..

    A lot of other areas we can debate and argue...although I do think Floyd’s feet and ring movement to be superior..

    Overall I rate Jones a better all around boxer/fighter...

    Edit: I see you have agreed that Floyd’s chin was better...


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    #44
    megadodge
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    walshb wrote: »
    Floyd’s chin was better...he took a better shot..

    Did you miss the part where I said "However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better"?

    I couldn't possibly be any clearer!



    And yes, being 35 years of age DOES matter! Funny how you change your tune (by eleven years) when Mike Tyson is being discussed.


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    #45
    walshb
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Did you miss the part where I said "However, Mayweather's was rock solid and yes I agree it was better"?

    I couldn't possibly be any clearer!



    And yes, being 35 years of age DOES matter! Funny how you change your tune (by eleven years) when Mike Tyson is being discussed.

    Relax...read my post again...I put in an edit just before posting.

    Oh, and just to add. Tyson was knocked out in 1990 after a 10 rds steady pasting. Many many heavy shots until final a heavy combination downed him...

    Roy has been iced and dropped from one shot(s) on several occasions..

    These details are important..

    Regarding chin and ability to take an heavy heavy shot, Tyson’s chin was rock solid.

    Roy never showed this. Because when he was hit hard and clean (on several occasions) he was knocked out..They were not from steady heavy accumulation and grinding down....


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    #46
    miocicmma
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    walshb wrote: »
    Hearns, Leonard and Duran. There’s 3.
    All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.


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    #47
    walshb
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    miocicmma wrote: »
    All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.

    Yeh.....Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, a stale Mosley, Demarcus Corley, Slugger Maidana to name a few all hit him a fair bit....but Duran, Hearns and SRL?....not a chance for those ATGs...


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    #48
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    miocicmma wrote: »
    All great fighters but they couldn't hit Floyd. His movement, his defense, his counter punching is on a different level. Floyd beats them all in a decision victory.

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????


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    #49
    super_furry
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    Christ, he'll be fighting Jedward next.


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    #50
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Yep the first Mayweather v Castillo fight is the simple blueprint as to why Duran would have abused Floyd over 12 rounds.

    He did things both offensively and defensively that a defensive wizard like Floyd could never do. He did those things against true elite fighters in their peak over decades, while fighting in weight classes far above his natural weight. His win against a prime Sugar Ray Leonard is the best win ever imo.

    There is zero arguement for putting Floyd over Duran in an ATG discussion, literally zero. Duran is the best fighter of the last 50 years for me.


    Never a truer word spoken. At their peaks Duran beats Floyd all day long.


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    #51
    Donald Trump
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Christ, he'll be fighting Jedward next.




    So that's why we hadn't heard about them lately. Must be still off at the secret training camp.


    I'd pay good money to watch that one!


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    #52
    SHOVELLER
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Christ, he'll be fighting Jedward next.
    Superb!

    Very curious fight and while Mayweather may be expanding his brand eastward one would wonder how long he will continue with these hybrid fights. He can be excused for the McGregor fight as there was a significant payday and it got him to the magical 50-0.

    For the reasoning for this "fight" I'm torn between money issues, competitiveness and influence from his entourage. From the outside he appears to be wading through money at a very good pace and these fights are keeping him going. Maybe there is a kernel of truth what 50 says!

    Secondly he doesnt drink and keeps himself in great shape and seeing how he has been fighting since childhood maybe it is just hard to turn it off. This might result in him mirroring Roy Jones' "longevity".

    Lastly his entourage need him and his money and he is not the sort of guy who has heard no too many times. Although it is hard to have sympathy for a convicted felon who beat his girl and who has all that money he is never boring!
    Think I speak for most in saying there are more important things to do than watch this New Years Eve.


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    #53
    Morrison J
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    Floyd is apparently going to earn 88 million from this fight alone. Add in the benefits of the branding his new casino's in Tokyo will receive too and I think the reasoning is pretty clear. I can't really fault him for taking it to be honest. If people are mad enough to pay money to watch him fight these novelty fights then good on him for taking them. Biggest no brainer possible really.


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    #54
    yourdeadwright
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    Is it true this will be in MMA gloves and the 1st round will be 10 minutes long ?


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    #55
    Donald Trump
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Is it true this will be in MMA gloves and the 1st round will be 10 minutes long ?




    Those MMA gloves are tiny aren't they? Like having a bit of padding between your wraps



    Surely any boxer worth his salt would be knocking out fellas left right and centre with those.


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    #56
    yourdeadwright
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    The MMA gloves harm the boxer chances in my opinion .
    Wven more so with Flyod than anyone else,

    Floyd whole game is built around defence , a lot of which he uses his gloves for , a lot of people go from boxing or Thai kickboxing end up getting sparked MMA as they are so used to moving there hand a certain distance to cover there face or side of head, all of a sudden that built in small movement is now not enough as the glove covers less surface and bang you get cracked with a shoot that a boxing glove would deflect .

    Also Flyod has hand problems for years , small gloves will not help that,


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    #57
    yourdeadwright
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    ,
    People not in and around boxing don't realise even the shape of two boxing gloves the same Oz can make a difference ,Flyod has had issues before when an opponent wanted to wear a different brand of boxing glove, he normally has in the contract what brand they have to wear,

    Even the feel of hitting someone with a mma glove is different,


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    #58
    Try_harder
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    walshb wrote: »
    Yeh.....Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, a stale Mosley, Demarcus Corley, Slugger Maidana to name a few all hit him a fair bit....but Duran, Hearns and SRL?....not a chance for those ATGs...

    I dont remember Ricky land much (from my seat in the MGM :) )


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    #59
    Donald Trump
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The MMA gloves harm the boxer chances in my opinion .
    Wven more so with Flyod than anyone else,

    Floyd whole game is built around defence , a lot of which he uses his gloves for , a lot of people go from boxing or Thai kickboxing end up getting sparked MMA as they are so used to moving there hand a certain distance to cover there face or side of head, all of a sudden that built in small movement is now not enough as the glove covers less surface and bang you get cracked with a shoot that a boxing glove would deflect .

    Also Flyod has hand problems for years , small gloves will not help that,




    I understand that point. But the boxer must have great speed too. From what I've seen in MMA, the usually don't throw great punches. Although if your man is a kickboxer, maybe they are better.


    I remember getting in with 10oz competition gloves. Could have been adrenaline etc. but you'd seriously notice the speed. The coach would always give a few rounds with the 10oz on the pads coming up to the fight though so that you could feel the difference and it would be worlds apart. Going to MMA gloves must be another step entirely.


    I'd say the likes of mayweather could see the punch coming, go off and have his tea, come back and get the counter punch in before it lands :pac:


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    #60
    xtal191
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp49AUphcLu/
    Now that I am back on U.S. soil after a long and disappointing trip to Tokyo, I now have the time to address you, my fans and the media in regard to the upcoming event on December 31st that was recently announced. First and foremost, I want it to be clear that I, Floyd Mayweather, never agreed to an official bout with Tenshin Nasukawa. In fact (with all due respect) I have never heard of him until this recent trip to Japan. Ultimately, I was asked to participate in a 9 minute exhibition of 3 rounds with an opponent selected by the "Rizen Fighting Federation". What I was originally informed of by Brent Johnson of "One Entertainment" was that this was to be an exhibition put on for a small group of wealthy spectators for a very large fee. This exhibition was previously arranged as a "Special Bout" purely for entertainment purposes with no intentions of being represented as an official fight card nor televised worldwide. Once I arrived to the press conference, my team and I were completely derailed by the new direction this event was going and we should have put a stop to it immediately. I want to sincerely apologize to my fans for the very misleading information that was announced during this press conference and I can assure you that I too was completely blindsided by the arrangements that were being made without my consent nor approval. For the sake of the several fans and attendees that flew in from all parts of the world to attend this past press conference, I was hesitant to create a huge disturbance by combating what was being said and for that I am truly sorry. I am a retired boxer that earns an unprecedented amount of money, globally, for appearances, speaking engagements and occasional small exhibitions.


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    #61
    liamoreilly
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    xtal191 wrote: »
    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp49AUphcLu/
    Now that I am back on U.S. soil after a long and disappointing trip to Tokyo, I now have the time to address you, my fans and the media in regard to the upcoming event on December 31st that was recently announced. First and foremost, I want it to be clear that I, Floyd Mayweather, never agreed to an official bout with Tenshin Nasukawa. In fact (with all due respect) I have never heard of him until this recent trip to Japan. Ultimately, I was asked to participate in a 9 minute exhibition of 3 rounds with an opponent selected by the "Rizen Fighting Federation". What I was originally informed of by Brent Johnson of "One Entertainment" was that this was to be an exhibition put on for a small group of wealthy spectators for a very large fee. This exhibition was previously arranged as a "Special Bout" purely for entertainment purposes with no intentions of being represented as an official fight card nor televised worldwide. Once I arrived to the press conference, my team and I were completely derailed by the new direction this event was going and we should have put a stop to it immediately. I want to sincerely apologize to my fans for the very misleading information that was announced during this press conference and I can assure you that I too was completely blindsided by the arrangements that were being made without my consent nor approval. For the sake of the several fans and attendees that flew in from all parts of the world to attend this past press conference, I was hesitant to create a huge disturbance by combating what was being said and for that I am truly sorry. I am a retired boxer that earns an unprecedented amount of money, globally, for appearances, speaking engagements and occasional small exhibitions.

    ...Thats the end of that chapter so...Highly doubt the Instagram post is true though...I'd say it was a case of fight agreed in principal but couldn't agree on rules...


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