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The Frederick St protest and reaction

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    #32
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Given that some of the No Way We Won't Pay goons harassed and exposed Gardai on idiotic Facebook pages I expect it'll be procedure to wear face coverings at any sort of these things from now on.


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    #33
    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Why?

    What’s the difference without a mask?

    guards should be able to hold their head high that they're doing a job enforcing the law, not worried about vigilantes. doesn't really make a difference at all, just a bad look


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    #34
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Because security are usually obliged to identify themselves, it's in the legislation

    For licenced security staff which covers door supervisors and static security. Not sure they'd fall under the Private Security Services Act?


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    #35
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Hurrache wrote: »
    For licenced security staff which covers door supervisors and static security. Not sure they'd fall under the Private Security Services Act?

    Well who knows who these guys were right and what laws they fall under? Or if they even came from this country, that's the point


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    #36
    Hurrache
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    They were obviously cooperating with the Gardai so I'm sure they knew who they were.


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    #37
    riffmongous
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    Get Real wrote: »
    They don't have to answer to a newspaper reporter though. We don't even know if they are security. They could be related to the property owner and there to board it up. If I want to board up the windows of my property to secure it, I don't have to give my name or any reason to any Joe Bloggs who asks.
    That could be true alright.. but then they wouldnt be driving around missing their front plate


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    #38
    Infini
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    Muppets who occupy private property and refuse to comply with court order hauled off to the cop shop for being muppets.

    Nothing to see here just proper Law and Order being enforced on idiots losing the run of themselves for a change. There's protesting and there's acting the bollocks and I personally don't blame the guard for having to conceal their faces to protect themselves and their families from these muppets.


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    #39
    Phoebas
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    I see Paul Murphy TD has called the Gardai who were on duty tonight terrorists.

    I'd say he's been missing the limelight.


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    #40
    Hurrache
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    PBP, Socialists, Solidarity et al in hysterics on Twitter this evening, apparently it's one of the darkest days in our country's history. They're pretty selective of what laws they like to see enforced.


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    #41
    CeilingFly
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    guylikeme wrote: »

    Anyways..without debating who is right or wrong on this, id like to hear why Gardai wore Balacalavas. Seems a little overdone.
    .

    Because utter scum and I mean the worst possible scum you can imagine are behind this and scum of that ilk would have no issue in personal attacks on a Garda's family.


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    #42
    Amirani
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Because security are usually obliged to identify themselves, it's in the legislation

    You clearly aren't very familiar with the legislation in question, it's in no way applicable.


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    #43
    Topgear on Dave
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    The place was cleared quickly enough by the looks of things but this crack of the guards turning up with a couple of lads in balaclavas and an old sh*tbox van is a very unprofessional look.


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    #44
    riffmongous
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    Amirani wrote: »
    You clearly aren't very familiar with the legislation in question, it's in no way applicable.

    I'm not an expert no, then what legislation does apply here?


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    #45
    Trasna1
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    PBP, Socialists, Solidarity et al in hysterics on Twitter this evening, apparently it's one of the darkest days in our country's history. They're pretty selective of what laws they like to see enforced.

    and a pretty poor grasp of history too.


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    #46
    Ha Long Bay
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Any chance pimple head Murphy got a slap of a baton? It would be a good night's work

    I think he might have after coming out with a tweet like this

    https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1039595867131527168


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    #47
    riffmongous
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    He is right about the property speculation though, pity they can't make the point without going hysterical


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    #48
    griffin100
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    guylikeme wrote: »
    I guess that the same was thought about the tank man in China. Rosa Parks on that bus. Numerous other examples.

    Raising awareness of failed policies does achieve these things bit by bit.

    So I’m clear here, you’re equating the governments failure to give various groups forever homes for nothing with racial segregation, casual lynching and standing up to a totalitarian despotic regime. Jumping the shark much? Jesus wept.


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    #49
    guylikeme
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    griffin100 wrote: »
    So I’m clear here, you’re equating the governments failure to give various groups forever homes for nothing with racial segregation, casual lynching and standing up to a totalitarian despotic regime. Jumping the shark much? Jesus wept.

    Of course thats exactly what im doing. Bless your 1s and 0s view of the world.

    Its a complicated issue and im on the fence about the moralities of it. However... in a city of thousands homeless, how on earth have we so
    many vacant residences downtown for this to have a chance of occurring anyway?

    Dublin as a city for people to live in is a failure. People are venting for good or for bad.


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    #50
    Infini
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I see Paul Murphy TD has called the Gardai who were on duty tonight terrorists.

    I'd say he's been missing the limelight.

    https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1039595867131527168

    Back in your box Murphy, you had your day in the limelight!


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    #51
    ChikiChiki
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    Won't be long before someone tries to make a link with DOB and Siteserv.

    Guards took the correct action here and I hope this is a new tougher approach from the Garda commissioner.

    Also DOB and Siteserv dealings were dodgy as ****. Let's not downplay it.


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    #52
    McMurphy
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    Is it legal to drive a van with a front registration plate missing, a UK rear one, and refuse to identify oneself?

    Not condoning the actions of the protesters, but if the law of the state is being enforced, it should be enforced equally.

    Were the lads in an unmarked van working for anyone in particular?


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    #53
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Mongfinder General wrote: »
    I’ve seen numerous posters on my social media feed going nuts about the actions of Gardaí/UVF thugs/Garda Commissioner.

    Yes, as if the public order unit have just suddenly turned into a bunch of violent goons in the eight days since Drew Harris OBE became commissioner. Anyway, their aesthetic tonight was more 'IRA' than 'UVF'.

    Great to see all the cop-lovers out in force on AH, as usual.


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    #54
    Gimme A Pound
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    Crikey, Paul Murphy just doesn't care about reality at all like.

    I don't agree with property owners leaving properties idle, but it's not a crime and the protesters still illegally occupied it - which will not achieve anything, probably just make the landlord dig his heels in.

    The guards removed them, i.e. they did their job. Nothing outrageous or terrorist (:rolleyes:) about that, and there WAS an offence being committed.

    Murphy seems to be saying they should be left to break the law.


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    #55
    Gimme A Pound
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Great to see all the cop-lovers out in force on AH, as usual.
    It's bizarre that supporting the police force is problematic.


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    #56
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    And by occupying someone’s property illegal is the right way to go about it?

    You sure missed the point of that post didn't you?


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    #57
    Gimme A Pound
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You sure missed the point of that post didn't you?
    Occupation of someone else's private property (it's really not ok to do that in any context - and yet there seems to be this view that they were entitled to do it) doesn't seem like a way of starting to effect change at state level.


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    #58
    Kermit.de.frog
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    john4321 wrote: »
    I think he might have after coming out with a tweet like this

    https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1039595867131527168

    So if I buy a property with my own money I am not allowed leave it empty if I want to?

    Last I checked this was not the Soviet Union.


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    #59
    feargale
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    guylikeme wrote: »
    I guess that the same was thought about the tank man in China. Rosa Parks on that bus. Numerous other examples.

    Raising awareness of failed policies does achieve these things bit by bit.

    There is one little difference, of course. Neither the Beijing tankman nor Rosa Parks had the option of showing their displeasure at the ballot box.


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    #60
    Gimme A Pound
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    So if I buy a property with my own money I am not allowed leave it empty if I want to?
    Yes you are - that's what their problem is!

    I think it is pretty bad form to leave a property idle, but it is the person's own private property too, so I can see both views. I don't get why they do it though - they'd make money from letting it.


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    #61
    Ha Long Bay
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    guylikeme wrote: »
    Of course thats exactly what im doing. Bless your 1s and 0s view of the world.

    Its a complicated issue and im on the fence about the moralities of it. However... in a city of thousands homeless, how on earth have we so
    many vacant residences downtown for this to have a chance of occurring anyway?

    Dublin as a city for people to live in is a failure. People are venting for good or for bad.

    I have to disagree with comments like this and paints Dublin and Ireland in a bad light. The term 10000 homeless which when you look up the definition "without a home, and therefore typically living on the streets" is not the case.

    According to Focus Ireland there were 110 people sleeping rough (spring 2018) and while I would like this figure to be lower in reality due to various reasons in will never be zero.

    I think we do a pretty good job looking after people in this country it might not be perfect but I think its very unfair to say its a failure.


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