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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    That was the one.
    The one where you claimed there was a giant mirror because you embarrassed yourself and got desperate and literally everyone realised what a joke you are.
    Yup.

    Either you don't understand perspective, which is likely.
    Or you live in your own reality and literally see things that aren't real and decide that anyone who doesn't agree is part of the conspiracy. Which is a mental illness and also likely.

    I could see it was overexposure or a reflection of light. There no men there. You can believe whatever you like.

    The image between the columns is a reflection of the fireman on the left. Hand position and body position is the same Fireman on the right, is in the yellow liquid. You can see the head position and position of the arm is the same. Wreckage is blurred by the resolution of the photo marked by the pink/purple dots.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I could see it was overexposure or a reflection of light. There no men there. You can believe whatever you like.
    ]
    Lol, yup a childish mspaint picture will help.
    It will make you look way more credible and much less like a parody that other conspiracy theorists are ashamed of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Objects are set at a fixed point they should not move or expand or change shape. The sign is expanding with the pan of the camera. Where the motion blur in the Zapruder film?. The car and other objects in the scene are not blurring when the car emerges from the front of the sign. The sign clearly not in the right position. It does not align correctly. You can see from the first picture I posted the position of the sign to the road and its angle. The waving man is also in the wrong area, he should be positioned closer to the curvature of the sign.

    No, the sign was placed in a different position so we could not see when Kennedy was hit in the back and throat.

    Nope its called "perspective".

    Tens of thousands of people have studied these pictures in incredible detail over the course of 55 years.

    So do you think "they" altered the Zapruder film and left "Black Dog Man" in the Willis photo? Why would they do that?!
    You claimed Zapruder stopped filming when the car turned to head down Elm Street. Yet you provide no evidence for this claim.

    Its your stupid theory. You do the research to back it up.
    Or could it Zapruder recorded something happening during the turn near the TSBD and this was removed from the film?

    Well you'll be able to tell us won't you? After you do your research on it.
    Yep, Zapruder business Edward Schwartz also described details not seen in the Zapruder film. He saw blood and brain tissue flying off to the left side. Do you claim 20 people, then post their descriptions of the headshot then?

    His name was Erwin Schwartz. Dan Rather was the first newsman to describe the movie to the public and incorrectly said JFKs head was thrown forward. Either hes in on it too or people make mistakes when viewing footage like that.

    Amazing to me that Zapruder didn't go into Kodak until the late afternoon - after first going to a news station to try develop it - and had the original back by 8pm yet you think "they" managed to manipulate the movie, using 1963 technology, in that time. This is before the autopsy aswell so "they" wouldn't have even known what to alter yet.
    By the way, if you believe 225 and 226 was the time of the magic bullet shot. Why was Kennedy hit in the head at frame 313?

    90 frames at roughly 18 frames a second. Is close to 5 seconds. Why the delay between shots?

    Because Oswald was working the bolt and then aiming.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol, yup a childish mspaint picture will help.
    It will make you look way more credible and much less like a parody that other conspiracy theorists are ashamed of.

    His childish MS Paint pictures are one of my favourite things. Obviously I'm mortified for him but they're also funny at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I could see it was overexposure or a reflection of light. There no men there.

    According to you. You've demonstrated it will be whatever you've decided it is, reflections, refractions from swamp gas, whatever. You have also demonstrated you will lie, distort - go to whatever lengths necessary to support a vague hunch you have, and then just as easily discard that hunch later.

    Again, the truth is entirely subjective to you

    Whatever you can make up in your head becomes the "truth", and instead of expressing it as personal opinion (which it is) you present it as fact by "dressing it up" in assertive wording


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    According to you. You've demonstrated it will be whatever you've decided it is, reflections, refractions from swamp gas, whatever. You have also demonstrated you will lie, distort - go to whatever lengths necessary to support a vague hunch you have, and then just as easily discard that hunch later.

    Again, the truth is entirely subjective to you

    Whatever you can make up in your head becomes the "truth", and instead of expressing it as personal opinion (which it is) you present it as fact by "dressing it up" in assertive wording

    Below is one of my favourite posts. Ever. Not just on this thread. Any thread, anywhere, ever. In the history of the internet.
    Could this be Jack Ruby outside of the TSBD.

    Took this image from the Hughes film, seems to be/ the right location.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Below is one of my favourite posts. Ever. Not just on this thread. Any thread, anywhere, ever. In the history of the internet.

    Nice try but please post in context. I used another image to highlight was it Ruby.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Nice try but please post in context. I used another image to highlight was it Ruby.

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    Lol. Hilarious.
    Why do you think that that is Jack Ruby?
    Other than your inability to tell the difference between your fantasies and real life I mean?

    "posting in context" just makes it even more of a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol, yup a childish mspaint picture will help.
    It will make you look way more credible and much less like a parody that other conspiracy theorists are ashamed of.

    I had to show you guys as you still believe a man with half a body, no legs and arms is standing in a yellow liquid near the steel columns.

    I embarrassed for you guys you still believe that two men:) It clearly just an overexposure of the camera or trick of light causing the reflections. You guys make fools of yourself constantly denying evidence anyhow, nothing new.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I had to show you guys as you still believe a man with half a body, no legs and arms is standing in a yellow liquid near the steel columns.

    I embarrassed for you guys you still believe that two men:) It clearly just an overexposure of the camera or trick of light causing the reflections. You guys make fools of yourself constantly denying evidence anyhow, nothing new.
    Lol.
    Sure you did. I'm sure that's what you think happened. But I assure you, it's not.
    You are delusional.

    The only reason people engage with you is to see what ridiculous crap you come up with next. And to watch you squirm and bladder when confronted with reality.

    You are a joke who is making conspiracy theorists look like the cranks you guys always deny being.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol. Hilarious.
    Why do you think that that is Jack Ruby?
    Other than your inability to tell the difference between your fantasies and real life I mean?

    "posting in context" just makes it even more of a joke.

    It looks like Jack Ruby otherwise it is a look a like. The facial feature is the same, and jack wore glasses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol. Hilarious.
    Why do you think that that is Jack Ruby?
    Other than your inability to tell the difference between your fantasies and real life I mean?

    "posting in context" just makes it even more of a joke.

    Its great stuff.

    Just as an FYI at the time of the shooting Ruby was in the Dallas Morning News offices placing ads for his clubs. Loads of alibis, phone calls made from the office etc.

    And even if he wasn't (which he was, but lets say he wasn't), so what? He lived in Dallas and the president was visiting. What would be odd about him being out on the street to see Kennedy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    It looks like Jack Ruby otherwise it is a look a like. The facial feature is the same, and jack wore glasses.
    lol what facial features?
    Please, break out the crayons and draw out the diagram.
    Should be a laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Its great stuff.

    Just as an FYI at the time of the shooting Ruby was in the Dallas Morning News offices placing ads for his clubs. Loads of alibis, phone calls made from the office etc.

    And even if he wasn't (which he was, but lets say he wasn't), so what? He lived in Dallas and the president was visiting. What would be odd about him being out on the street to see Kennedy?

    It was only a few blocks from TSBD, can easily get there in 7 to 10 minutes.

    Ruby murdered the alleged killer of JFK on live TV. He was involved in the conspiracy. You can claim there no conspiracy, but the majority of people don't believe. This site is an outliner , for some reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    The Nal wrote: »
    And even if he wasn't (which he was, but lets say he wasn't), so what? He lived in Dallas and the president was visiting. What would be odd about him being out on the street to see Kennedy?
    We could ask why he was there? What was he doing in aid of the conspiracy?
    Was he told to be there or was it just a random coincidence?
    Why would THEY send him/let him go there?
    Why was he photographed and why, if any one could make out his facial features, was the photograph not destroyed or altered.

    But we will never get an answer.
    We're still waiting for one for why THEY didn't just have one gun man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You can claim there no conspiracy, but the majority of people don't believe. This site is an outliner , for some reason.
    The majority of people don't believe in that conspiracy.
    The majority of people who do believe in the conspiracy would be embarassed by you and your version of the theory.
    They would pretend no-one would believe something so outlandish and silly and that anyone who says they do is a disinfo agent.
    (ie. what you do for cranks who believe the space laser theory for 9/11)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    The majority of people don't believe in that conspiracy.
    The majority of people who do believe in the conspiracy would be embarassed by you and your version of the theory.
    They would pretend no-one would believe something so outlandish and silly and that anyone who says they do is a disinfo agent.
    (ie. what you do for cranks who believe the space laser theory for 9/11)

    Yes they do the last poll 80 per cent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK

    With 9/11 its 56 per cent.

    This site just has abnormal number of Skeptics, i not sure why that is?

    Let you in on a secret, people have connected me and said they don't post here because of you. You not liked, you should work on your personality?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It was only a few blocks from TSBD, can easily get there in 7 to 10 minutes.

    He could have but didn't. Was in the offices well after the assassiation. 45 minutes at least. Maybe an hour.

    But even if he wasnt, so what?
    Yes they do the last poll 80 per cent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK

    Yes and 80% didn't know Oswald had tried to kill Walker.
    Ruby murdered the alleged killer of JFK on live TV. He was involved in the conspiracy. You can claim there no conspiracy, but the majority of people don't believe.

    But theres no evidence! No one can explain Ruby shooting Oswald in the stomach. That just does not happen with assassinations. Mob or otherwise.

    The opinion of the majority of people is irrelevant. This is not an election.

    Whats amazing to me is despite having huge black hole sized knowledge gaps, as above proves, you persist with spending your time scanning over photos and drawing silly little squiggles with Microsoft Paint.

    Keep it up though, gives us a good laugh.

    Edit. As above, you still don't even know what a sceptic is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Nevertheless, according to a 2009 CBS News poll, between 60 and 80 percent of Americans believe that President Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy; that is, that there was more than one shooter in Dealy Plaza that November day in 1963.

    http://time.com/3422083/jfk-conspiracy-theories/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes they do the last poll 80 per cent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK

    With 9/11 its 56 per cent.

    This site just has abnormal number of Skeptics, i not sure why that is?
    No source, so this is a lie.

    Any progress on that mspaint masterpiece showing Jack Ruby.
    Let you in on a secret, people have connected me and said they don't post here because of you. You not liked, you should work on your personality?
    Oh no...
    Cranks and holocaust deniers don't like me?
    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Nevertheless, according to a 2009 CBS News poll, between 60 and 80 percent of Americans believe that President Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy; that is, that there was more than one shooter in Dealy Plaza that November day in 1963.

    http://time.com/3422083/jfk-conspiracy-theories/

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    He could have but didn't. Was in the offices well after the assassiation. 45 minutes at least. Maybe an hour.

    But even if he wasnt, so what?



    Yes and 80% didn't know Oswald had tried to kill Walker.



    But theres no evidence! No one can explain Ruby shooting Oswald in the stomach. That just does not happen with assassinations. Mob or otherwise.

    The opinion of the majority of people is irrelevant. This is not an election.

    Whats amazing to me is despite having huge black hole sized knowledge gaps, as above proves, you persist with spending your time scanning over photos and drawing silly little squiggles with Microsoft Paint.

    Keep it up though, gives us a good laugh.

    Edit. As above, you still don't even know what a sceptic is.

    Nal you only looking at one area of Oswald life story. There was two sides to Oswald. If you only believe some of the information is correct, it lead you in one direction Oswald was a loner, a crazy loon who believed in Marxist ideals.

    The background of Oswald in entirety has to be looked at. You can not ignore Oswald had an obvious intelligence background while stationed in Japan. He was trained to use radios, radar and used state of the art equipment to navigate U2 spy flights over the Soviet Union. Oswald was a security risk. He was allowed to leave for the Soviet Union is really strange. Oswald had secrets that would damage US national security. It obvious to me he was a spy send there for a nefarious purpose. The Soviet did not fall for it, and then Oswald overreacted. Oswald had a odd personality, the CIA likely knew that it was a risk to use him as he prone to overreaction.He was intelligent enough to keep the lies going he was a defector.

    Officer Jim Leavelle claimed when Ruby approached he pulled on Oswald handcuffs towards him. He moved slightly to the left. Ruby was looking for a way out killing Oswald if he was the guy who phoned the Dallas police station asked to increase security? Did Ruby intentionally aim for Oswald stomach to not kill him, its possible?

    I am skeptical of the official story. You are skeptic of the conspiracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Oh no...
    Cranks and holocaust deniers don't like me?
    :(

    No i got lot of private message why people don't post here and its because of people like you. They can't be bothered. I can handle you and just put up with your nonsense :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No i got lot of private message why people don't post here and its because of people like you. They can't be bothered. I can handle you and just put up with your nonsense :D
    If you say so.
    It makes me very sad that people don't like me.
    :'(

    So that crayon drawing where you show the facial features of Jack Ruby?
    Gonna produce that any time soon.

    It will be really funny to see you try and bull**** your way through it.

    Oh, and "ignoring and dodging questions" is not handling me.
    It's proving my position that conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists in general can't deal with basic questions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    If you say so.
    It makes me very sad that people don't like me.
    :'(

    So that crayon drawing where you show the facial features of Jack Ruby?
    Gonna produce that any time soon.

    It will be really funny to see you try and bull**** your way through it.

    Oh, and "ignoring and dodging questions" is not handling me.
    It's proving my position that conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists in general can't deal with basic questions.

    You funny guy :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You funny guy :rolleyes:
    Yup.

    So that picture of Jack Ruby.
    Please show us the facial features you see.

    Or can we just add that to the pile of bull**** you've realised is too embarrassing now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Nal you only looking at one area of Oswald life story. There was two sides to Oswald. If you only believe some of the information is correct, it lead you in one direction Oswald was a loner, a crazy loon who believed in Marxist ideals.

    Because thats the only evidence there is.
    The background of Oswald in entirety has to be looked at. You can not ignore Oswald had an obvious intelligence background while stationed in Japan. He was trained to use radios, radar and used state of the art equipment to navigate U2 spy flights over the Soviet Union. Oswald was a security risk. He was allowed to leave for the Soviet Union is really strange. Oswald had secrets that would damage US national security.

    He knew nothing the Soviets didnt already know. He wasnt the only person to defect by the way.
    It obvious to me he was a spy send there for a nefarious purpose.

    Yep, see thats where the theory fails. Theres no evidence for that. Zero.
    The Soviet did not fall for it, and then Oswald overreacted. Oswald had a odd personality, the CIA likely knew that it was a risk to use him as he prone to overreaction.He was intelligent enough to keep the lies going he was a defector.

    Theres that bullshít word again. "Likely". Used with no evidence.
    Officer Jim Leavelle claimed when Ruby approached he pulled on Oswald handcuffs towards him. He moved slightly to the left. Ruby was looking for a way out killing Oswald if he was the guy who phoned the Dallas police station asked to increase security?

    Even the officer who claimed that said he didnt know if it was Ruby. Dallas Police were inundated with calls saying people were going to kill Oswald. Tens of millions of people wanted him dead.
    Did Ruby intentionally aim for Oswald stomach to not kill him, its possible?

    No. Its a guaranteed hit. If he aimed for his head he could've missed and hit a cop. Same reason he said he didnt shoot Oswald at the press conference.

    1/10 chance Oswald would've survived. That doesn't happen in mob hits. James Garfield for example. Shot twice, in the arm and back, and took 11 weeks to die.

    William McKinley, shot twice in the stomach, took 7 days to die and was conscious and speaking the whole time.

    Which all leads to the question as to why "they" didn't shoot Oswald when he left the TSBD. Or when he left his rooming house. Or when he was on the street. Or in the cinema when they had ample excuse to do so when he pulled a gun.

    But that aside, theres still no need for a conspiracy this big. "They" could've killed Kennedy at Love Field, or Main St, or at the Trade Mart. No one can explain to me why theres actually a need for a plot this recklessly big involving so many people. Its simply, stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yup.

    So that picture of Jack Ruby.
    Please show us the facial features you see.

    Or can we just add that to the pile of bull**** you've realised is too embarrassing now?

    You see the man can't you. The side profile looks like Ruby. Go look at pictures online of Ruby with glasses you see the resemblance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You see the man can't you. The side profile looks like Ruby. Go look at pictures online of Ruby with glasses you see the resemblance.
    I can see the picture.
    I can see that it's far too blurry to make out any details that would allow you to positively identify who it is.
    It's so blurry and small and very clearly impossible to tell who it is, that everyone is laughing at your claim that it is Ruby.
    It's another example of what a joke you and your theory are.

    So I'm asking you to show how you identified him as Ruby.
    Please use your mspaint/crayon skills to illustrate the similar features.
    It will be really funny to watch you try that.

    Or we can assume that you can't do that, you know that your claim is bull**** and now you're trying to backpedal because you think you have some credibility to save.
    But I assure you, you have no credibility to worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes they do the last poll 80 per cent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK

    With 9/11 its 56 per cent.

    53% of Americans thought Saddam had something to do with 911. 52% of people in the UK think that the moon landings were faked. Half of Americans believe in ghosts, a third of Russians believe the sun goes around the earth. I know two people with PhD's who strongly believe in astrology

    There's a lot of casual ignorance. It's still no excuse for you writing stupid and illogical stuff on a public forum.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Because thats the only evidence there is.



    He knew nothing the Soviets didnt already know. He wasnt the only person to defect by the way.



    Yep, see thats where the theory fails. Theres no evidence for that. Zero.



    Theres that bullshít word again. "Likely". Used with no evidence.



    Even the officer who claimed that said he didnt know if it was Ruby. Dallas Police were inundated with calls saying people were going to kill Oswald. Tens of millions of people wanted him dead.



    No. Its a guaranteed hit. If he aimed for his head he could've missed and hit a cop. Same reason he said he didnt shoot Oswald at the press conference.

    1/10 chance Oswald would've survived. That doesn't happen in mob hits. James Garfield for example. Shot twice, in the arm and back, and took 11 weeks to die.

    William McKinley, shot twice in the stomach, took 7 days to die and was conscious and speaking the whole time.

    Which all leads to the question as to why "they" didn't shoot Oswald when he left the TSBD. Or when he left his rooming house. Or when he was on the street. Or in the cinema when they had ample excuse to do so when he pulled a gun.

    But that aside, theres still no need for a conspiracy this big. "They" could've killed Kennedy at Love Field, or Main St, or at the Trade Mart. No one can explain to me why theres actually a need for a plot this recklessly big involving so many people. Its simply, stupid.

    It not. You have ignored evidence i provided. James Wilcox was a CIA agent stationed in Japan CIA station. He saw the Oswald crypto file and was a file on record dated from the late 50s. He talked with people involved in CIA and was well known in the CIA Oswald was a spy send to Russia as a defector. We also know George De Mohrenschildt was told to babysit Oswald when he returned to America. George even admitted to this and was reason he approached Oswald in 1962. It no coincidence Maria ended up in Ruth Paine house and Paine family had connections to US intelligence ie CIA.

    I would not be surprised if Maria was a spy of some sort or an asset of US intelligence. Maria even said at HSCA she believed or crossed her mind at times Lee was a spy when she first met him in Russia. And we know from Lee time in New Orleans he played a double game with anti Castro Cubans and Pro Castro side. David Ferrie denied he ever met Oswald or knew him in the 60s, then a picture emerges in the 90s showing both men in same location in the 50s. Oswald phoning an intelligence officer in Jail, why?There lot of evidence to believe Oswald worked undercover for US intelligence

    Wrong the police officer on video claiming it was Ruby and does make sense he would be the guy warning if he was the, trigger man told to take Oswald out. End of the day it was a guy with Mob connections who took Oswald life, and when the mob is accused of being involved in the murder of JFK, you can't ignore the implications.

    You should ask why did he go the Cinema and not try to leave town? Was he going there to meet someone a contact?

    They scouted the place to kill him and they set up there it was a perfect spot to Kill Kennedy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It not. You have ignored evidence i provided. James Wilcox was a CIA agent stationed in Japan CIA station. He saw the Oswald crypto file and was a file on record dated from the late 50s. He talked with people involved in CIA and was well known in the CIA Oswald was a spy send to Russia as a defector.

    Thats not true.
    We also know George De Mohrenschildt was told to babysit Oswald when he returned to America.

    Thats also not true.
    George even admitted to this and was reason he approached Oswald in 1962.

    No he didn't. Lie number 3 in as many sentences.

    It no coincidence Maria ended up in Ruth Paine house and Paine family had connections to US intelligence ie CIA.

    It is a coincidence.
    I would not be surprised if Maria was a spy of some sort or an asset of US intelligence.

    I would. So would everybody else. Because there isnt the slightest hint of evidence for it.
    Maria even said at HSCA she believed or crossed her mind at times Lee was a spy when she first met him in Russia. And we know from Lee time in New Orleans he played a double game with anti Castro Cubans and Pro Castro side. David Ferrie denied he ever met Oswald or knew him in the 60s, then a picture emerges in the 90s showing both men in same location in the 50s. Oswald phoning an intelligence officer in Jail, why?There lot of evidence to believe Oswald worked undercover for US intelligence

    Nope theres lots of people wanting it to be a conspiracy and then going to try find evidence to back up their claims.
    Wrong the police officer on video claiming it was Ruby

    Nope he said he wasn't sure. Stop lying.

    Lie number 4.
    and does make sense he would be the guy warning if he was the, trigger man told to take Oswald out. End of the day it was a guy with Mob connections who took Oswald life, and when the mob is accused of being involved in the murder of JFK, you can't ignore the implications.

    No one has ignored it. Its been investigated for 55 years and no one has find a jot of credible evidence.
    You should ask why did he go the Cinema and not try to leave town? Was he going there to meet someone a contact?

    No.
    They scouted the place to kill him and they set up there it was a perfect spot to Kill Kennedy.

    Why didn't they just shoot him in Love field when he was 6 inches away from a large crowd?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Thats not true.



    Thats also not true.



    No he didn't. Lie number 3 in as many sentences.




    It is a coincidence.



    I would. So would everybody else. Because there isnt the slightest hint of evidence for it.



    Nope theres lots of people wanting it to be a conspiracy and then going to try find evidence to back up their claims.



    Nope he said he wasn't sure. Stop lying.

    Lie number 4.



    No one has ignored it. Its been investigated for 55 years and no one has find a jot of credible evidence.



    No.



    Why didn't they just shoot him in Love field when he was 6 inches away from a large crowd?

    Yes it is true i read his classified closed door statement to the HSCA, in the 70s. It was released in entirely during the late 90's. He even lists some of CIA men he spoke to that confirmed Oswald was a spy. The CIA agency is denying Oswald was a spy, but people who worked for the CIA have a different opinion.

    Yes it is true George was told by J Moore to babysit Oswald. George would not have approached Oswald in 1962 for no reason. HSCA got a file on J Moore and confirmed he was CIA. George was called to testify at the HSCA. and what happens he supposedly commits suicide gun blast in the mouth. Very suspicious the way witnesses die when called to testify about JFK murder and Oswald.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Nal about 95 per cent of the witnesses there at Parkland and Bethesda saw a hole at the rear of Kennedy head. Only Humes says something different, by the way he more a administrator then a doctor., and who never done a gunshot autopsy in he life. We know due to Dr Bosley drawing in the 90s there was a rear head wound.

    Majority of the eyewitnesses saw a hole in the back of the head. Why do none of the films show that or autopsy photos show that?


    You have to believe the doctors, nurse staff, medical staff at Parkland are wrong. Clint hill wrong too, he saw a hole in the rear of Kennedy head. At Bethesda the x ray technicans, morgue helpers all saw a rear head wound. Two FBI agent assigned to watch Kennedy autopsy also saw a massive head wound at the rear. There clearly something wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Finally found a video that shows the doctors were asked about the autopsy photo in the archive. They produced a computer-generated image showing the wound as it should have been. It crazy the got away with this for 60 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yes it is true i read his classified closed door statement to the HSCA, in the 70s. It was released in entirely during the late 90's. He even lists some of CIA men he spoke to that confirmed Oswald was a spy. The CIA agency is denying Oswald was a spy, but people who worked for the CIA have a different opinion.

    Nope saying "it was well known in the CIA Oswald was a spy" is a lie.
    Yes it is true George was told by J Moore to babysit Oswald.

    Nope, another lie.
    Finally found a video that shows the doctors were asked about the autopsy photo in the archive. They produced a computer-generated image showing the wound as it should have been. It crazy the got away with this for 60 years.


    Too many conflicting opinions. We've already been through this. Culminating in you utterly humiliating yourself at post #1015 on page 68 of this thread in one of the most pathetically transparent displays of evidence omission in the history of the internet.

    The mods should move this thread to "comedy" now because thats where you've dragged it to.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Nope saying "it was well known in the CIA Oswald was a spy" is a lie.



    Nope, another lie.



    Too many conflicting opinions. We've already been through this. Culminating in you utterly humiliating yourself at post #1015 on page 68 of this thread in one of the most pathetically transparent displays of evidence omission in the history of the internet.

    The mods should move this thread to "comedy" now because thats where you've dragged it to.

    You can't face reality. Position you have taken is to deny any evidence that does not support your point of view. When the doctors are all claiming they saw a open wound at the back of the head, then there no reason to carry on like you are doing right now. There not conflicting opinions the people who were there all state they saw a open wound at the back of the head. One person might be mistaken, but when you have least a dozen or more people stating the saw this wound, it can no longer be an error or mistake.

    I have backed up my position with video of the doctors who were there. I going to believe the doctors, and nurses are right about this. You can believe whatever you like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You can't face reality. Position you have taken is to deny any evidence that does not support your point of view. When the doctors are all claiming they saw a open wound at the back of the head, then there no reason to carry on like you are doing right now. There not conflicting opinions the people who were there all state they saw a open wound at the back of the head. One person might be mistaken, but when you have least a dozen or more people stating the saw this wound, it can no longer be an error or mistake.

    I have backed up my position with video of the doctors who were there. I going to believe the doctors, and nurses are right about this. You can believe whatever you like.

    These doctors?

    Dr. Baxter - "literally the right side of his head had been blown off".

    Dr Perry - "I noted there was a large wound of the right posterior parietal area in the head".

    "With respect to the head wound, Dr. Akin, did you observe below the gaping wound which you have described any other bullet wound in the back of the head?"

    Dr. AKIN. "No; I didn't. I could not see the back of the President's head as such, and the right posterior neck was obscured by blood and skull fragments"

    "Then, at any time was he positioned in a way where you could have seen the back of his body?"

    Dr. McClelland. "No."

    McClellandas on his drawing - "However, I do not believe that the large wound was this far posterior since, one thing I can be certain of, is that we were able to see the majority, if not all of this wound, with the patient laying on his back on a hospital gurney. The location of the wound represented in the drawing suggests that it would barely have been visible, if visible at all, with the patient laying in such a position."

    McClellend after viewing the autopsy photos: "I find no discrepancy between the wounds as they're shown very vividly in these photographs and what I remember very vividly".

    Dr. Carrico - "there is nothing in the pictures and drawings that is incompatible with the injury as I remember it."...."We never saw, and did not look for, any posterior wound. Our responsibility was to evaluate the wounds from the standpoint of what might be done to keep the patient alive. . . . The wounds as we looked at them were from the front and top with the patient laying on a gurney on his back."

    And...

    "We did say there was a parietal-occipital wound," recalls Dr Carrico. "We did say we saw shattered brain, cerebellum, in the cortex area, and I think we were mistaken. The reason I say that is that the President was lying on his back and shoulders and you could not see the hole, with scalp and brain tissue hanging back down his head, and it covered most of the occipital portion of his head. We saw a large hole on the right side of his head. I don't believe we saw any occipital bone. It was not there. It was parietal bone. And if we said otherwise, we were mistaken."


    You can't face reality. Position you have taken is to deny any evidence that does not support your point of view

    Lets not forget the utter hilarity of your post here. For those that missed it - I posted a video of 4 doctors, 3 of whom were pointing to the back right of the head (which doesn't "support my point of view") and 1 of whom pointed to the right side of the head, even approaching the front. So I posted all of the evidence in that regard.

    Cheerful Spring takes a screen grab of only 3 doctors and leaves out the one doctor who was pointing to the right side! Completely ignores it!

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109159599&postcount=1015

    Fabulous.
    Gerald Posner, is a terrible researcher, he manipulates evidence to support his theory

    ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    These doctors?

    Dr. Baxter - "literally the right side of his head had been blown off".

    Dr Perry - "I noted there was a large wound of the right posterior parietal area in the head".

    "With respect to the head wound, Dr. Akin, did you observe below the gaping wound which you have described any other bullet wound in the back of the head?"

    Dr. AKIN. "No; I didn't. I could not see the back of the President's head as such, and the right posterior neck was obscured by blood and skull fragments"

    "Then, at any time was he positioned in a way where you could have seen the back of his body?"

    Dr. McClelland. "No."

    McClellandas on his drawing - "However, I do not believe that the large wound was this far posterior since, one thing I can be certain of, is that we were able to see the majority, if not all of this wound, with the patient laying on his back on a hospital gurney. The location of the wound represented in the drawing suggests that it would barely have been visible, if visible at all, with the patient laying in such a position."

    McClellend after viewing the autopsy photos: "I find no discrepancy between the wounds as they're shown very vividly in these photographs and what I remember very vividly".

    Dr. Carrico - "there is nothing in the pictures and drawings that is incompatible with the injury as I remember it."...."We never saw, and did not look for, any posterior wound. Our responsibility was to evaluate the wounds from the standpoint of what might be done to keep the patient alive. . . . The wounds as we looked at them were from the front and top with the patient laying on a gurney on his back."

    And...

    "We did say there was a parietal-occipital wound," recalls Dr Carrico. "We did say we saw shattered brain, cerebellum, in the cortex area, and I think we were mistaken. The reason I say that is that the President was lying on his back and shoulders and you could not see the hole, with scalp and brain tissue hanging back down his head, and it covered most of the occipital portion of his head. We saw a large hole on the right side of his head. I don't believe we saw any occipital bone. It was not there. It was parietal bone. And if we said otherwise, we were mistaken."





    Lets not forget the utter hilarity of your post here. For those that missed it - I posted a video of 4 doctors, 3 of whom were pointing to the back right of the head (which doesn't "support my point of view") and 1 of whom pointed to the right side of the head, even approaching the front. So I posted all of the evidence in that regard.

    Cheerful Spring takes a screen grab of only 3 doctors and leaves out the one doctor who was pointing to the right side! Completely ignores it!

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109159599&postcount=1015

    Fabulous.



    ;)

    Dr Akin and Dr Baxter are not describing the wound in your quotes.

    Lets take a look at the human brain
    471144.png brain.


    The parietal part of the brain extends to the back of the skull, its to left of the ear. If you take a look at the Zapruder film, most of the damage is near the frontal lobe and temporal lobe. The parietal area and occiptial area of the brain is untouched and no damage

    Lets look at what Dr Carrico said at the Warren commission. He claiming there was a head wound at the lower back of the head. You think the doctors don't know the difference between the parietal area and occipitial?

    Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe as specifically as you can the head wound which you have already mentioned briefly?
    Dr. CARRICO - Sure.
    This was a 5- by 71-cm defect in the posterior skull, the occipital region. There was an absence of the calvarium or skull in this area, with shredded tissue, brain tissue present and initially considerable slow oozing. Then after we established some circulation there was more profuse bleeding from this wound.
    Mr. SPECTER - Was any other wound observed on the head in addition to this large opening where the skull was absent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Zapruder film damage.I don't see any damage to the skull to left of Kennedy Skull.

    471151.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol another mspaint masterpiece that explains nothing.
    I like the big red action lines.
    Did you make pew pew sounds as you drew them?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol another mspaint masterpiece that explains nothing.
    I like the big red action lines.
    Did you make pew pew sounds as you drew them?

    I have to draw things for you Kingmob as you find it difficult to take things in.

    Yes, I just highlighted the back of the head and right side of the head is not damaged. You can see the hairline is still intact. Every doctor involved said there was damage in the areas I marked in red.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob



    I have to draw things for you Kingmob as you find it difficult to take things in.

    Yes, I just highlighted the back of the head and right side of the head is not damaged. You can see the hairline is still intact. Every doctor involved said there was damage in the areas I marked in red.
    The goal of a diagram is to make things clearer, not make the explainer seem like a child with a box of crayons.

    However most children know that telling fibs is wrong.

    Not every doctor said what you say they said.
    It's been pointed out that you purposefully left out a doctor because he very visibly disagreed with your fantasy narrative.

    So why do you have to tell lies to promote your silly conspiracy theory?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Zapruder film damage.I don't see any damage to the skull to left of Kennedy Skull.

    Thats because you can't see the left of his skull on the Zapruder film.
    King Mob wrote: »
    So why do you have to tell lies to promote your silly conspiracy theory?

    Because to be able to promote his silly theory he has to lie. It doesn't hold any water otherwise. He also has to selectively omit and ignore things. Such as the hilarity of him ignoring the doctors conflicting opinions and that amazing post when he posted only 3 of them.

    For the "Zapruder film is fake" theory to stand up you have to believe that:

    - Zapruder and Philip Willis were in Kodak in Dallas in the same time yet "they" altered the Zapruder film but not the Willis photo showing
    what some nuts (including Cheerful Spring) say is a shooter. Here.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, in a small photo development office, altered a home movie in a matter of minutes in front of 20 witnesses.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, were able to edit a video that stands up to modern digital scrutiny.
    - "They" had to guess what to alter as the autopsy hasn't happened yet. At 6pm when Zapruder got the film back JFK s body was still in
    transit.
    - "They" were sure that of all of the 80 or so cameras there that day, none of them captured what "they" had just edited as that would have
    immediately exposed a cover up.
    - The Muchmore and Nix movies were altered too.

    So none of that makes any sense, he has to tell blatant lies. Im still not sure why theres a need for the crude MS Paint diagrams but they're so stupid and funny Im not complaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    The Nal wrote: »
    - Zapruder and Philip Willis were in Kodak in Dallas in the same time yet "they" altered the Zapruder film but not the Willis photo showing
    what some nuts (including Cheerful Spring) say is a shooter. Here.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, in a small photo development office, altered a home movie in a matter of minutes in front of 20 witnesses.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, were able to edit a video that stands up to modern digital scrutiny.
    - "They" had to guess what to alter as the autopsy hasn't happened yet. At 6pm when Zapruder got the film back JFK s body was still in
    transit.
    - "They" were sure that of all of the 80 or so cameras there that day, none of them captured what "they" had just edited as that would have
    immediately exposed a cover up.
    - The Muchmore and Nix movies were altered too.
    And then on top of that:
    Despite being able to do all of those things perfectly and keep everyone involved in that perfectly quiet, then still manage to make simple obvious mistakes. "Mistakes" that are so blatant and obvious, even someone with zero expertise in photography is able to see they are faked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ah the good old reliable of making up yet another conspiracy to support a made-up conspiracy

    The number has increased, we're now up to:

    The CIA, LBJ, the Mafia, Cuban exiles (controlled by CIA), the FBI, and now Zapruder/Willis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Ah the good old reliable of making up yet another conspiracy to support a made-up conspiracy

    The number has increased, we're now up to:

    The CIA, LBJ, the Mafia, Cuban exiles (controlled by CIA), the FBI, and now Zapruder/Willis

    Don't forget the Kodak employees in Dallas, the Dallas Police, the Dallas District Attorney, the Secret Service, the autopsy doctors at Bethesda, Kennedy's own personal physician, the HSCA (covered up photo forgery), Ford Motors (who covered up damage to the car), the Marine Corps (who lied about Oswalds marksmanship and sent him to Russia), the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Cuba, the Soviet government, the KGB, the teamsters union, Marina Oswald, Western Union, George H.W. Bush..........

    This really is the best documentary out there for me. Covers a lot.



    And speaking of 1963 forgery standing up to modern digital analysis. Heres just one example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    The Nal wrote: »
    Don't forget the Kodak employees in Dallas, the Dallas Police, the Dallas District Attorney, the Secret Service, the autopsy doctors at Bethesda, Kennedy's own personal physician, the HSCA (covered up photo forgery), Ford Motors (who covered up damage to the car), the Marine Corps (who lied about Oswalds marksmanship and sent him to Russia), the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Cuba, the Soviet government, the KGB, the teamsters union, Marina Oswald, Western Union, George H.W. Bush..........
    And the Mythbusters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,191 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    King Mob wrote: »
    And the Mythbusters.

    and "The Nal", I find it suspicious this poster puts such effort into deflection from the conspiracy. Suspicious!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    and "The Nal", I find it suspicious this poster puts such effort into deflection from the conspiracy. Suspicious!

    Well obviously we're all paid shills.
    That's the only plausible reason why we aren't being convinced.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Thats because you can't see the left of his skull on the Zapruder film.



    Because to be able to promote his silly theory he has to lie. It doesn't hold any water otherwise. He also has to selectively omit and ignore things. Such as the hilarity of him ignoring the doctors conflicting opinions and that amazing post when he posted only 3 of them.

    For the "Zapruder film is fake" theory to stand up you have to believe that:

    - Zapruder and Philip Willis were in Kodak in Dallas in the same time yet "they" altered the Zapruder film but not the Willis photo showing
    what some nuts (including Cheerful Spring) say is a shooter. Here.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, in a small photo development office, altered a home movie in a matter of minutes in front of 20 witnesses.
    - "They", using 1963 technology, were able to edit a video that stands up to modern digital scrutiny.
    - "They" had to guess what to alter as the autopsy hasn't happened yet. At 6pm when Zapruder got the film back JFK s body was still in
    transit.
    - "They" were sure that of all of the 80 or so cameras there that day, none of them captured what "they" had just edited as that would have
    immediately exposed a cover up.
    - The Muchmore and Nix movies were altered too.

    So none of that makes any sense, he has to tell blatant lies. Im still not sure why theres a need for the crude MS Paint diagrams but they're so stupid and funny Im not complaining.

    I talking about Kennedy's head at the rear near the left side of his ear. I can see this side of the head is not damaged. The doctors all said there was a wound at this side.

    I listen to what the doctors have to say. Visually apparent the Zapruder film does not show a massive wound at the parietal area and occipital area of the brain. I expected you guys would ignore that, after all, you see a man with no legs and arms standing in a yellow liquid.

    Why would they alter the Willis Photo? It does not show the shootings taking place? It appears to show a shadow of a man behind the wall? Why would they need to erase it does not show him with a gun?

    More nonsense from Nal. Who are these 20 people who viewed the original 8mm Zapruder film? Nal I have provided evidence and you have not of people who saw the Zapruder film in its original state. They described different events not seen in the Zapruder film that we see today on Youtube. You ignored that and keep babbling away. Is that not proof and we must include the doctor's claims, the video was altered?

    I told you the Zapruder film was altered at Hawkeye Kodak lab in New York, not in Dallas. False pretence the Zapruder film has obvious problems. People with better expertise than I have done extensive work on it and have shown the Zapruder film was altered.

    You obviously don't understand how the timelines panned out. The Zapruder frames were not released until 1975. They had 12 years to sit back and wait and see if any new explosive footage emerged. That highly unlikely to happen after a few years, never mind 12 years. Why would they have to care about 80 cameras that never recorded the shootings? You just throw it out there as if its useful info when it is not.

    Autopsy happened before any video alternation occurred:confused:


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