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Assassin's Creed Odyssey

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Does it trigger anyone but me that a load of these pseudo historical games these days are coming out with female characters (PC or NPC) in roles that just wouldn't have been anybit acceptable in the period they are portraying? Female Spartan warrior, female samurai warrior etc.
    I'm all for strong female characters but at least try to make it somewhat believable.

    Historical accuracy doesn't exactly matter to the always offended. If there are no women, it's sexist. No non-white people, it's racist etc...

    Although historical accuracy isn't a term i tend to use when talking about Assassins Creed :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Yeah I remember the explosion of crap for there not being people of a certain colour in kingdom come deliverance even though they didn't exist or if they did where extremely rare there in that time period.

    I just recall watching a gameplay demo for this where the female Spartan player character is kicking a 300lb man around :D I can suspend my disbelief a certain amount but lately it's getting worse.

    Ghost of toshima was really gripping me until bang, female samurai :D at least make her a ninja or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,212 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Historical accuracy can only take you so far. AC2 was the best game in the series imo, and one of my favourite games of all time. And at the end of it, you fight the Pope.

    Ultimately I think when it comes to history and the roles women played then, unless the game is actually striving to be historically accurate, then it just doesn't matter. It's their take and their story based on historical events, not trying to replicate them. Likewise Battlefield took a bit of sh*t when they reveal female characters, but at E3 they were very clear to say "In our version of WW2..."

    Personally I like it when the devs do such things. I was actually thinking I might play as the female character in this (forget her name). The last few years I've done so when I've had the chance mainly to see how the game still works playing as a female character (eg. is dialogue of npcs noticeably adjusted or ungendered by default, or do they use it as part of the story etc) and because a lot of the time, male protagonists just end up being so similar. Even with create a character mine always ended up looking the same in every game. I'd put short dark hair on him, get bored of the CaC and just default the rest to start playing the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Don't get me wrong I often play a female character depending on the game, female shepherd in mass effect was awesome and believable for me, like wise even soldiers in ww2 wouldn't be too bad as guns and technology existed to equalise things. Just can't get my head around Samurai/Spartan as they where exclusively male for a reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Out around the same time as read dead and because it’s only a year after origins I won’t buy odyssey straight away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,212 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Don't get me wrong I often play a female character depending on the game, female shepherd in mass effect was awesome and believable for me, like wise even soldiers in ww2 wouldn't be too bad as guns and technology existed to equalise things. Just can't get my head around Samurai/Spartan as they where exclusively male for a reason.

    That's what I'm wondering and one of the reasons I play as the female character; is her story about her being a woman and not being allowed to be a Spartan but that something happens to necessitate it or allow it (like the spear weapon she holds gives her extra strength to be comparable to that of a Spartan or greater)? Which would mean she and the guy character may have different stories altogether.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Does it trigger anyone but me that a load of these pseudo historical games these days are coming out with female characters (PC or NPC) in roles that just wouldn't have been anybit acceptable in the period they are portraying? Female Spartan warrior, female samurai warrior etc.
    I'm all for strong female characters but at least try to make it somewhat believable.

    Let me get this straight. In a game that features a remote control Eagle, the ability to fall several hundred feet in a bale of hay without a scratch, and several other feats of superheroism, a playable woman character is where you draw the line?

    If you want historical accuracy, read a history book, to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Let me get this straight. In a game that features a remote control Eagle, the ability to fall several hundred feet in a bale of hay without a scratch, and several other feats of superheroism, a playable woman character is where you draw the line?

    If you want historical accuracy, read a history book, to be honest.

    It's not the playable female character as I've explained above, it's shoehorning a woman into a role that only males where allowed to historically fill in order to avoid their damn game being called sexist.

    I'm not looking for historical accuracy either, I'm looking for believability, put female ww2 soldiers in all you want, anyone can use a gun male or female. But pitting a female Spartan or the like against their male counterpart would be like watching a child fighting an adult imo.

    Also who am I to say a remote control eagle can't exist or superhumans can't exist, hell who knows but what I can say is that female samurai and spartan warriors did not exist.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    Meanwhile, on Twitter...

    453443.jpg

    Also: Historical Accuracy and Blideo Blames are, barring a few very rare exceptions, mutually exclusive and you have to ask yourself if you *really* want to be on the same team as the sorts of screaming manbabies that are proud to have harassed a woman off Twitter cause she had the audacity to be a woman in a Star Wars film?

    I enjoyed Origins a lot more than I expected to. I do consider myself a fan of the series generally despite its very real flaws. Right now I can see both an Edward Conway and Ratonhnhaké:ton/Conor statues on top of my shelf (both of which I got for €30 in Gamestop by waiting a year), so there're my colours nailed to the mast (if you'll excuse the pun). Origins added some nice changes and I'm looking forward to seeing an expansion on this with the next one, but again, I'm not going to be buying it until 6ish months in at least (mostly cause I'm done buying games at launch when I have so many fine games to play and no real rush to play what's new).

    But dialogue trees and decisions having branching results is a good move as long as they don't hand-wave all player agency away at the end of the game cause they have to shoe-horn it into some sort of ending.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    It's not the playable female character as I've explained above, it's shoehorning a woman into a role that only males where allowed to historically fill in order to avoid their damn game being called sexist.

    I'm not looking for historical accuracy either, I'm looking for believability, put female ww2 soldiers in all you want, anyone can use a gun male or female. But pitting a female Spartan or the like against their male counterpart would be like watching a child fighting an adult imo.

    Also who am I to say a remote control eagle can't exist or superhumans can't exist, hell who knows but what I can say is that female samurai and spartan warriors did not exist.

    Considering the lack of information from that era, you're going to rule out the possibility of a female spartan, but rule in the possibility of a remote control eagle?

    Also, female samurai.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Considering the lack of information from that era, you're going to rule out the possibility of a female spartan, but rule in the possibility of a remote control eagle?

    Also, female samurai.

    in terms of a fighting member of a spartan army, yes, completely. As for the Onna-bugeisha, from what i can gather they where part of the samurai caste system but not a samurai as in wielding a katana samurai.

    As Penn said, if they can justify it better than just "hey, heres a woman, equality for all" i'll go with it gladly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Shiminay wrote: »
    Meanwhile, on Twitter...

    453443.jpg

    Also: Historical Accuracy and Blideo Blames are, barring a few very rare exceptions, mutually exclusive and you have to ask yourself if you *really* want to be on the same team as the sorts of screaming manbabies that are proud to have harassed a woman off Twitter cause she had the audacity to be a woman in a Star Wars film?

    I enjoyed Origins a lot more than I expected to. I do consider myself a fan of the series generally despite its very real flaws. Right now I can see both an Edward Conway and Ratonhnhaké:ton/Conor statues on top of my shelf (both of which I got for €30 in Gamestop by waiting a year), so there're my colours nailed to the mast (if you'll excuse the pun). Origins added some nice changes and I'm looking forward to seeing an expansion on this with the next one, but again, I'm not going to be buying it until 6ish months in at least (mostly cause I'm done buying games at launch when I have so many fine games to play and no real rush to play what's new).

    But dialogue trees and decisions having branching results is a good move as long as they don't hand-wave all player agency away at the end of the game cause they have to shoe-horn it into some sort of ending.

    i dont harass women online or in real life, i like living :pac: Why would someone have a problem with a female in the star wars universe?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    I have no idea, but apparently, there are enough fuckwits out there who think that the Feminazis are ruining their Star Wars because they're afraid of them or something. A quick Google of Kelly Marie Tran (The actress who played Rose in the last film) will show you what she's had to deal with since the film came out.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    in terms of a fighting member of a spartan army, yes, completely. As for the Onna-bugeisha, from what i can gather they where part of the samurai caste system but not a samurai as in wielding a katana samurai.

    As Penn said, if they can justify it better than just "hey, heres a woman, equality for all" i'll go with it gladly.

    Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article I linked:
    In the Tale of Heike, she was described as being "especially beautiful, with white skin, long hair, and charming features. She was also a remarkably strong archer, and as a swords-woman she was a warrior worth a thousand, ready to confront a demon or a god, mounted or on foot. She handled unbroken horses with superb skill; she rode unscathed down perilous descents. Whenever a battle was imminent, Yoshinaka sent her out as his first captain, equipped with strong armor, an oversized sword, and a mighty bow; and she performed more deeds of valor than any of his other warriors."

    If that doesn't scream video games character, then I don't know what does.

    I wonder why including a female character offends people so much. I mean, the games we play, they're fiction. As Shiminay said, you end up fighting a souped up Pope at the end of one of these games. Why is it offensive to you that a woman character could feature in a game?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I remember reading about that actually, idiots! Star wars is a weird one, people are straight up fanatical about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article I linked:



    If that doesn't scream video games character, then I don't know what does.

    I wonder why including a female character offends people so much. I mean, the games we play, they're fiction. As Shiminay said, you end up fighting a souped up Pope at the end of one of these games. Why is it offensive to you that a woman character could feature in a game?

    If you'd read through my posts you'd realize I don't have a problem with female characters, they just have to make sense to me, that's all.
    I could name countless games/films with female lead characters that I love.
    I just can't believe a society that commited infanticide to weed out the weak would have a female soldier. It's my problem and my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Even if a female protagonist seems "out of place" (which she doesn't, by the way), there's a fecking minotaur in this game. A minotaur. They're clearly going for a more mythological setting than historical, so anything goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Even if a female protagonist seems "out of place" (which she doesn't, by the way), there's a fecking minotaur in this game. A minotaur. They're clearly going for a more mythological setting than historical, so please, untrigger yourselves.

    didnt see that :pac: all bets are off so haha Natalie the nut cracking spartan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    didnt see that :pac: all bets are off so haha Natalie the nut cracking spartan

    Yeah, right at the end of the E3 trailer. Anyway, I edited my above post as I didn't intend to sound like such a dick. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Only slightly triggered so no worries, first world gamer problems :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    The Ancient History nerd in me is honestly infuriated by a female Spartan warrior being in this, because no, it did not happen.

    However, it's Assassins Creed, and they firmly moved away from historical accuracy quite a while ago. It's fantasy based in a historical setting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,280 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    You know, I can get over the whole female Spartan thing. After all, they were the backbone of the Spartan Army, and had more power than nearly the King himself. They were highly respected and were cunning and athletic. They did get involved in the defence of their homes while the army was off fighting Crete, and the story of Princess Arachidamia is known to have played a big part. They didn't directly take part like a male Spartan, but they were not defenceless. I'm taking this game as if one of them decided, feck it, i'm off to fight too.

    I do agree that female characters shouldn't be shoehorned in where they don't belong, but I don't find it too far of a stretch to believe that a Spartan woman was able to fight just as well as Spartan men. There were female Gladiators, Samurai, there were no female Knights but the women of those times had other military roles (Knights and archers weren't even in the same social class). The ancient Greeks had female warriors. Remember, people have tried to rewrite history for their own benefits, and a lot of men from back then were very misogynistic, so it's only natural they wouldn't include the female warriors. Over time, i'd imagine, more and more information was lost, but i've no doubt that each era had female equivalents of the males, but much like a Knight being a male role, there was probably a female version called something else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    No doubt there where female warriors throughout history, I'd imagine they where extremely rare though. Brianne of tarth from game of thrones is a good example even though it's fiction, she's as big/strong as the men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,280 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    No doubt there where female warriors throughout history, I'd imagine they where extremely rare though. Brianne of tarth from game of thrones is a good example even though it's fiction, she's as big/strong as the men.

    Exactly. Strong women are not a modern occurrence. They were always there, but probably got even less respect for not being ladylike.

    Either way, it's not really a problem as long as it doesn't affect the gameplay, or they're very different in styles, like AC Syndicate. I used Jacob for the melee, and Evie for the stealthy stuff.

    I have faith in Ubisoft these days. They took the feedback about the AC series and created Origins, which was amazing imo. As the same team worked on some of Odyssey, and they've had just as much time, I reckon it will be another great AC! Let's hope the alternating year lull of the past doesn't happen!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    No doubt there where female warriors throughout history, I'd imagine they where extremely rare though. Brianne of tarth from game of thrones is a good example even though it's fiction, she's as big/strong as the men.

    It's totally off-topic, but varied massively depending on the region.

    The Vikings were quite happy to have both men and women go to war, but more typically for the overseas invasions it was men who went.

    The Greeks were a lot more close minded, while certain groups like the Spartans would train women in combat, it was really more of a home defence thing in the event of an invasion on their lands.

    The Romans were firmly opposed to it, and even as Gladiators I think they are only like 3 documented cases of women as Gladiators.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭fugyvuhgvhbjb


    I want to pre-order the gold edition but not sure where to pre-order it. Was going to go with smyths but I don't trust smyths to actually sell the game early. (the gold edition is the game and season pass and also the game early on 2nd October instead of the 5th)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    I want to pre-order the gold edition but not sure where to pre-order it. Was going to go with smyths but I don't trust smyths to actually sell the game early. (the gold edition is the game and season pass and also the game early on 2nd October instead of the 5th)

    Digital download?


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭fugyvuhgvhbjb


    Digital download?

    Nah. Its way more expensive on PSN. It's 80 Euro in Smyths but 100 euro on psn.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Nah. Its way more expensive on PSN. It's 80 Euro in Smyths but 100 euro on psn.

    Amazon maybe? get onto their chat support and ask them if they will be sending the gold edition early so its playable on the 2nd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    I wish they would bring out GTA games as much as they do assassins creed!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭fugyvuhgvhbjb


    Amazon maybe? get onto their chat support and ask them if they will be sending the gold edition early so its playable on the 2nd.

    Thanks for the suggestion but I doubt they will. I have ordered games off amazon in the past and they never arrive in time for release day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    Nah. Its way more expensive on PSN. It's 80 Euro in Smyths but 100 euro on psn.

    I'd rather not get it 3 days early, than have to pay an extra €20 for it personally.
    I would have faith in Smyths to release it on the 2nd myself :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭fugyvuhgvhbjb


    marcbrophy wrote: »
    I'd rather not get it 3 days early, than have to pay an extra €20 for it personally.
    I would have faith in Smyths to release it on the 2nd myself :)

    Fair enough.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    I wish they would bring out GTA games as much as they do assassins creed!

    They'd be utter muck if they did :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Season pass will include Assassin's Creed 3 remaster and dlc will be episodic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,280 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I think they've been relatively quiet about this, which has me slightly worried, but the game does look phenomenal. I will most likely pick this up on release. Pretty sure I made my money back on Origins once I finished it, but it looks like they will have a reason for me to hold onto this one. If it plays anything like Origins, it will be good, so it's all down to the story now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Assassin's Creed 3 remastered...

    Unity aside, there is no game I want to play less than this.

    I'm hoping the quieter approach to this game will work in its favour as there's no hysteria or overhype to buy in to.

    Could be a great game but could finally be the Assassin's Creed game that breaks me away from the series after playing each and every one up to now (bar Rogue).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    The best thing that I can say about AC3, is that without it, there'd be no Black Flag :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    marcbrophy wrote:
    The best thing that I can say about AC3, is that without it, there'd be no Black Flag

    The first few hours were ok. I gave up halfway through as a combination of glitches/bugs & a lot of instant fail missions with bad checkpoints got the better of me.
    I was at the stage where I'd have to watch a playthrough on YouTube as I felt like you had to get through certain areas of it in a certain sequence never deviating from the one way to get through a camp or tail for information.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    ERG89 wrote: »
    The first few hours were ok. I gave up halfway through as a combination of glitches/bugs & a lot of instant fail missions with bad checkpoints got the better of me.
    I was at the stage where I'd have to watch a playthrough on YouTube as I felt like you had to get through certain areas of it in a certain sequence never deviating from the one way to get through a camp or tail for information.

    I was in the exact same way about a couple of months back, when I went to revisit the game.
    I never completed it, just left it after a few hours :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I completed it and I remember it had a godawful final mission. It became a bit of a slog too by the 2/3 point.

    The story was just so meh and I think the departure from Ezio was always going to require a charismatic lead and unfortunately Connor was awful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,212 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    There were a lot of good ideas in AC3, and most of the actual gameplay mechanics were tight and enjoyable. But it was a slog to playthrough, progressed really slowly in terms of giving you abilities and weapons already familiar from previous games (done for narrative reasons, but they still could have sped it up a bit). Storywise it was okay, but Connor's story and character felt like a huge comedown after the Ezio trilogy, and while the present day story was supposed to come to its conclusion, they f*cked it up in order to keep it going for future games.

    If they're remastering it as part of the season pass and given the supposed quality of the DLC for Origins, it's not a bad deal, and worth sinking a few hours into. Certainly wouldn't buy it separate from that like how they released the remastered Ezio trilogy though.


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    Gold is 99.99 in the platform stores 84.99 in Smyths and a 5er off in store.

    Have they done any work on AC3? Far Cry 3 they did nothing to and it looked like it looked on last gen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Have they done any work on AC3? Far Cry 3 they did nothing to and it looked like it looked on last gen.

    Yes they have. AC3 will be remastered for current gen so it's been fully worked upon and upgraded a la the Ezio Collection on PS4 to include "higher resolution textures, a new graphics engine, other graphical enhancements and improved gameplay mechanics".

    In fairness to Ubisoft, the PS4 version of FC3 was never advertised as a remaster just that they improved some textures and made it smoother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭marcbrophy


    I doubt they've done much work on ACIII (and to be honest I'm glad for that after what they did with the Ezio Collection, yikes!). I'm just glad to have the majority of AC games on one system. Now they just need to remaster AC1.

    Did you actually play the Ezio collection though, or just watch one of those YouTube vids that slated it based on a few screenshots?

    I'm curious, as I have played through 2 of the 3 games in it, with 165 hours play time and I think it's a great remaster :)

    Either way, I now have 15 AC games on my xbox one :D


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    I'm gonna get this for the long oct weekend and then get RDR at christmas hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    I’m the opposite. Because of the short gap between origin and odyssey I will play RDR 2 first then get odyssey some stage next year


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭bigphil2


    Game Collection still haven't dispatched my Gold Edition,zero chance of it arriving Tuesday id say..


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭bigphil2


    Shopto hasn't dispatched mine either although in Shopto's case I can understand why as they're extremely quick. If they dispatched it today it would arrive tomorrow.

    It says "Awaiting Stock release" on the order,so im thinking they are embargoed from posting before a certain time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,212 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Reviews starting to come out and most seem to be very positive about the game.


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