Do you LISTEN to music?

So this looks again as one of those threads that ends up drifting away from its original subject!

But speaking about good and bad music and what makes a band/musicians successful,
I always like music to be a form of art and like bands who consider their music as thought out pieces of artwork put together.
Bands like NIN, Tool, Thrice, they keep pushing the boundries of what music can do composing their pieces like a piece of artwork rather than building their music upon a worked out successful formula that can make them rich and famous. Bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, Avenged Sevenfold are really good examples of this. A tried and tested formula for composing music that would go down very well in mainstream popularity.
Problem with such music is that although it might appeal to the masses, its lacks any sorta substance and gets very predictable and boring very soon. You can't look at that sorta music as an artform. Cuz its not art, its just music.

I think the best music is made when the musician is not chasing money and fame but rather the music is created from the emotions and passion of an artist to create a timeless piece of artwork that can be adored and appreaciated by many for centuries to come. Just like Mona Lisa or the Sistine Chapel.

And speaking about music as art, i think what makes a band/musician famous can be explained pretty well by aesthetics:

The philosopher Denis Dutton identified seven universal signatures in human aesthetics:

1. Expertise or virtuosity. Technical artistic skills are cultivated, recognized, and admired.
2. Nonutilitarian pleasure. People enjoy art for art's sake, and don't demand that it keep them warm or put food on the table.
3. Style. Artistic objects and performances satisfy rules of composition that place them in a recognizable style.
4. Criticism. People make a point of judging, appreciating, and interpreting works of art.
5. Imitation. With a few important exceptions like music and abstract painting, works of art simulate experiences of the world.
6. Special focus. Art is set aside from ordinary life and made a dramatic focus of experience.
7. Imagination. Artists and their audiences entertain hypothetical worlds in the theater of the imagination.


And a little more about aesthetics:

Objects are aesthetically valuable if:
- they possess a special aesthetic property or exhibit a special aesthetic form.
- they have the capacity to convey meaning or to teach general truths.
- they have the capacity to produce pleasure in those who experience or appreciate them.
- they have the capacity to convey values or beliefs central to the cultures or traditions in which they originate, or important to the artists who made them.
- they have the capacity to help bring about social or political change.
- they have the capacity to produce certain emotions we value, at least when the emotion is brought about by art rather than by life.
- they have the capacity to produce special non-emotional experiences, such as a feeling of autonomy of the will or suspension of disbelief.


Something to think bout!!

Is that a bad sign paul!?!

This thread has gotten seriously off topic alright!
But I think its pretty relevant in a way as music production has a lot to do with knowing the effect you want the music to have and that depends a lot on the artist.

Anyway I think we are all regurgitating (sp thats obviously wrong!) the same stuff as each other

Actually paul I do find when a "classic.." spice girls tune comes on the radio I am like "AW YEAH!". Time and space heals any wounds. You can definitely appreciate things for what they are when you stand away and them bands need to be appreciated for what they are!

By that I meant that nomatter what music it is, that your dedicated to it. I dont care if the songs are crap! But I can enjoy someones music a lot more if I believe they really care for their songs and put everything into them.

It really has to be about the music. If Ronan Keating really loves his music and pours everything into it I dont care if he is singing jingles!

But it doesnt matter does it?

If I feel someone is really into their music then I can get into it. Great for me, great for them!

If they are not it doesnt really matter because I wont know! And all that matters is MY judgement of the music because why do I care if you dont like the music i listen to!

Music is a personal thing, I dont care if you dont like what I like because its me who has to listen to it!

So it doesnt matter if I know their real intentions! Its my view on their integrity that counts

sei046 wrote: »

So we agree to agree!?

That's not allowed!!

haha. this thread went off topic fairly quickly!!!

dav to answer your question, my father's a producer in RTE radio. He's worked with (yes i'm namedropping- i'm ashamed) Bryan Adams, Cranberries (on their Live recordings), Joe elliot (yer man from def leppard) and a good few others. He mostly hates rock music and is established as a classical music specialist but i'd mention those just because people would know them more than the classical guys.
He used to do a lot of the Fanning 'live' sessions back in the old days so there were a hell of a lot of Irish bands back then doing them.

There's loads of other stuff I'm forgetting to mention because i doubt you'd know them. oh that tribute to phil lynott record about ten years ago with scott goram and a few others playing and stuff (i was young and can't remember. I remember showing my guitar skills to scott goram though. I was about 10 at the time! He gave me a plec and I didn't know who he was. that happened quite a bit actually).

Oh and funnily enough he recorded the Riverdance original (including the taps. yes, you heard it, the taps you were hearing on the night weren't live on the night!)

I'm not quite comfortable speaking about my own family in detail on the internet though so we'll leave it at that.

My history is a little different. I was around all this from an early age, and regularly was in on sessions, sitting there, making tea, learning everything i could (i was just a kid so couldn't exactly say 'give us a shot at the mix'.

I was in a band a few years ago that I left while signing with one of the majors. (the band broke up as soon as I left. hurrah.)

Did tours with the Revs, the Walls (same management at the time),and a few others.
We were the new 'next big thing' (isn't everyone except we were getting a major deal) and the guys from the label etc. had us out living a life we could never have dreamt of.

The name of the band was Walter by the way. Three piece piano/bass/drums (very Ben Folds five).
I've done live sound for a few big names when i was working in the venue in NUI Maynooth (Roderigo y Gabriela, BellX1, Mundy, Damien Rice [wasn't doing FOH on all of those to be honest though])

I don't think by any means that I've worked with any huge acts or anything, but I've been around this all my life.
I also have a solo album but quit doing all that as soon as it was finished. Bored with rock music tbh.
Now the reason I never wanted to discuss this, is simply I have another career now in the techno world. I'm not entirely comfortable people knowing stuff about my past as these things get blown out of proportion by many people doing bios etc. and I'd hate to see 'he's worked with so and so' when in reality I wasn't exactly producing their albums if you catch my drift.

I recently have been working as an engineer on broadcasts and recordings of some pretty big classical works. That's very recent though.

As I said, like many, I don't like losing my anonymity on boards as I use it more for reasons that aren't commercial to any extent.

Also, I don't like anyone being able to google my name and see what I said about a,b or c. The same reason I keep my bebo profile privatised.

And anyway it's not that difficult to find out who I am from my sig.

I remember actually being stunned when an employer asked me years ago about what I was doing in hotpress (they couldn't read the article because of subscription stuff). He had googled my name and found it.

For those of you that are moaning about why people don't use their real names on the internet, you really need to realise that if you do use your real name, any stranger can pretty much see everything you have to say about anything, see what you're up to at anytime, and do all sorts of rude things while looking at your photos.

Anywho...

Well.... I dunno! Leave it at that!

Good Lad!

I know! tell me about it

If there is a SURE way to kill a thread........

Lol dont worry Fro!