Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

razor425 · 17-05-2012 10:30pm

a half fit carty is better than a fully fit collins at fullback

I'm not so sure, certainly a fully fit Carty is better, but I think Collins would probably be a better choice for the Galway game.

Have you seen him this year? I was convinced he had no place on the team the last two years but the man has been reborn under Newton, he's as tenacious a defender as we have, has removed the fouling from his game and makes plenty of driving runs up the wing. He's been a leader on the team this year, and don't give me the line about 'the league not mattering', Dineen was never playing at this high a level before.

Unfortunately I have only seen him in action once this year, admittedly he was quite good on the day. Having said that he is still behind Daly imo. Daly is consisently good almost every game, I see no reason to play Dineen ahead of him. Yes he might be playing the best fotball of his career but that still puts him behind Daly in my view. Also his tenacity can be his downfall often times as in the Connacht final last year.

Syferus · 18-05-2012 2:29am

razor425 wrote: »

I'm not so sure, certainly a fully fit Carty is better, but I think Collins would probably be a better choice for the Galway game.

Unfortunately I have only seen him in action once this year, admittedly he was quite good on the day. Having said that he is still behind Daly imo. Daly is consisently good almost every game, I see no reason to play Dineen ahead of him. Yes he might be playing the best fotball of his career but that still puts him behind Daly in my view. Also his tenacity can be his downfall often times as in the Connacht final last year.

Again, Domican was picked over Daly, not Dineen, whose position was solidified - rightly - weeks ago. Daly's played alot of football this year with UCC (who were also involved in the club championship until late November), the seniors and the u21s, Newton is taking the right approach in not asking him to start his first championship game two weeks after losing an All-Ireland final. He'll be be on the field when he's needed.

nice_guy80 · 01-07-2012 9:21pm

two great wins for Roscommon over the weekend

first the minors beat Galway in extra time

then from nowhere the seniors beat Armagh

Syferus · 01-07-2012 10:24pm

One of the sweetest weekends for the county in a long time! Now let's repeat the trick in two weeks time.

spiralism · 02-07-2012 1:46pm

Still cannot for the life of me get over that Armagh result, unbelievable... just our luck we get Tyrone in the Hyde in two weeks, im not sure i like the whole seeding craic in the qualifiers...unseeded draws could produce quality matchups as early as round two but the GAA doesnt want to lose a big team this early in the year if they can help it..

Not a fear of winning that match tbh but id be happy with a good showing. At least we're constantly ending our season against a high level of sides, the more we play the likes of tyrone and cork the better it is for a young team. Keep banging on the door and it'll open sooner or later

Syferus · 02-07-2012 2:09pm

spiralism wrote: »

Still cannot for the life of me get over that Armagh result, unbelievable... just our luck we get Tyrone in the Hyde in two weeks, im not sure i like the whole seeding craic in the qualifiers...unseeded draws could produce quality matchups as early as round two but the GAA doesnt want to lose a big team this early in the year if they can help it..

Not a fear of winning that match tbh but id be happy with a good showing. At least we're constantly ending our season against a high level of sides, the more we play the likes of tyrone and cork the better it is for a young team. Keep banging on the door and it'll open sooner or later

We can win this one. Sean Kavanagh was the entirety of the difference between the teams last year and he's gone, as is Brian Dooher and some of the old guard that came on and steadied Tyrone's ship in the second half of that game. Couple that with comprehensively outplaying Armagh (if we had even a decent conversion rate we would have registered north of 20 points) and we've got a team with plenty of belief and absolutely nothing to lose. Why wait for the future?

It'll be another fantastic battle and the start of one of the biggest weekends in the county town's history.

spiralism · 02-07-2012 2:22pm

Syferus wrote: »

We can win this one. Sean Kavanagh was the entirety of the difference between the teams last year and he's gone, as is Brian Dooher and some of the old guard that came on and steadied Tyrone's ship in the second half in that game. Couple that with comprehensively outplaying Armagh (if we had even a decent conversion rate we would have registered north of 20 points) and we've got a team with plenty of belief and absolutely nothing to lose. Why wait for the future?

It'll be another fantastic battle and the start of one of the biggest weekends in the county town's history.

Fair point, and i'd be a lot more confident playing them at home than in Croker where we tend to fold late on... Still find it hard to bet against them mind, team in decline as they are i'd still go with Harte and the experienced heads like Gormley, McMenamin, Mulligan and Penrose... that and Roscommon very rarely beat big sides at senior level, Armagh being probably the biggest upset since Cork a decade ago - Tyrone are another step entirely. i'd be delighted to keep it close

nice_guy80 · 02-07-2012 4:08pm

Roscommon need to return to old fashioned football

hit them hard and nail them out the field and keep the score down.
when we matched Armagh yesterday in the physical stakes they didn't know what to do
We don't have 15 players of top inter county quality to beat teams playing open football

we have 9-10 very good players.

Syferus · 02-07-2012 4:13pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon need to return to old fashioned football

hit them hard and nail them out the field and keep the score down.
when we matched Armagh yesterday in the physical stakes they didn't know what to do
We don't have 15 players of top inter county quality to beat teams playing open football

we have 9-10 very good players.

I think going forward we certainly have the players capable of going toe-to-toe with the top counties, last year's Tyrone match being a gaudy example of that.

We just need to combine yesterday's all-action defensive display with the scoring ability we showed last year and we'll be a very tough team to deal with.

Add in the raft of under-age talent coming through and we've got plenty of reasons to believe Armagh won't be the only big scalp we'll take in the years to come.

c_man · 02-07-2012 7:51pm

Fair play to Ros. Everyone (including me) had written ye off. After yesterday I was kinda hoping that Galway wouldn't get drawn against ye

RealityCheck · 02-07-2012 9:10pm

Syferus wrote: »

I think going forward we certainly have the players capable of going toe-to-toe with the top counties, last year's Tyrone match being a gaudy example of that.

Sorry now but if thats really the case then why say this?

Syferus wrote: »

Couple that with comprehensively outplaying Armagh (if we had even a decent conversion rate we would have registered north of 20 points)

I've seen ye play against Galway and most of ye're forwards had a bad day, Cathal Cregg excepted. If you struggled somewhat to put up scores against Galway and Armagh, how in heck can you keep it up against Dublin, Cork and even Tyrone? No offence meant by this but your forwards aren't that good, yet at least. Despite this ye have bucket loads of potential and I suspect that 2/3 years down the line ye will be winning Connachts and making Quarter Finals with relative ease.

Syferus wrote: »

We just need to combine yesterday's all-action defensive display with the scoring ability we showed last year and we'll be a very tough team to deal with.

Again ye struggled to get scores against Mayo in the Connacht final before giving a good account of yourselves against Tyrone.

Syferus wrote: »

Add in the raft of under-age talent coming through and we've got plenty of reasons to believe Armagh won't be the only big scalp we'll take in the years to come.

Your dead right about that!

I wouldn't rule out a shock with Roscommon playing at home, but I think Tyrone will be a step up from Armagh. I reckon there'll be only 3 points in it.

Syferus · 02-07-2012 10:42pm

Well it's about having seen yesterday's game and last year's Tyrone game, something only people at the grounds would have seen thanks to RTE's kamikaze highlights packages.

It was poor shooting that stopped us from completely dominating Armagh, not Armagh themselves. We broke their lines dozens of times in the first and second half, the difference in the first being we were allowing Armagh too much time to find Jamie Clarke. The Tyrone match last year is one of the best examples of how crisp our attacking play can be - we scored 17 points against one the top five counties in the country, a score that'd have won you most matches, but loose defending cost us. Armagh were, to be honest, handled rather easily in the second half.

It was a good result but people outside the county are probably hyping up beating Armagh too much - it was a lop-sided performance in some ways and the sort you'd be looking to improve upon the next day, we certainly didn't play to our full potential yesterday. We know we can compete with Tyrone; combining yesterday's defensive play and last year's attacking play would net a victory.

RealityCheck · 02-07-2012 11:06pm

Syferus wrote: »

Well it's about having seen yesterday's game and last year's Tyrone game, something only people at the grounds would have seen thanks to RTE's kamikaze highlights packages.

It was poor shooting that stopped us from completely dominating Armagh, not Armagh themselves. We broke their lines dozens of times in the first and second half, the difference in the first being we were allowing Armagh too much time to find Jamie Clarke. The Tyrone match last year is one of the best examples of how crisp our attacking play can be - we scored 17 points against one the top five counties in the country, a score that'd have won you most matches, but loose defending cost us. Armagh were, to be honest, handled rather easily in the second half.

It was a good result but people outside the county are probably hyping up beating Armagh too much - it was a lop-sided performance in some ways and the sort you'd be looking to improve upon the next day, we certainly didn't play to our full potential yesterday. We know we can compete with Tyrone; combining yesterday's defensive play and last year's attacking play would net a victory.

Its certainly good to see that Roscommon learned something from their very poor first day out. I'd echo that Roscommon fans would want to keep their feet on the ground. All you can ask for is improvement and your fans certainly got that, hopefully ye can get some more. Whether it'll be enough to topple Tyrone remains to be seen but I suspect its too soon.

aidan24326 · 03-07-2012 1:01pm

Great confidence-boosting win to knock out Armagh, but bear in mind this is not a good armagh team. That said, Tyrone are a team in decline too and are very beatable, especially as ye have them in the Hyde again. Don't read too much into the Armagh game, they're not the force they were a few years ago. But fair play to the Ros lads for bouncing back from a very bad day at the office against Galway, they deserve credit for that.

frojay · 03-07-2012 2:59pm

Have to laugh at this 'Tyrone are in decline' crap. We've half a team out injured and we'll still mop the floor with ye. I'm already looking ahead to the next round.

RealityCheck · 03-07-2012 3:23pm

frojay wrote: »

Have to laugh at this 'Tyrone are in decline' crap. We've half a team out injured and we'll still mop the floor with ye. I'm already looking ahead to the next round.

Tyrone are at the very least in transition and injuries certainly are taking their toll. How many players are missing at the moment? I can think of the obvious ones like Sean Cavanagh and Kyle Coney.

Tyrone are more vulnerable than you think. Talk down Roscommon all you like.

blowitupref · 03-07-2012 6:58pm

frojay wrote: »

Have to laugh at this 'Tyrone are in decline' crap. We've half a team out injured and we'll still mop the floor with ye. I'm already looking ahead to the next round.

Years ago Tyrone were one of the All Ireland contenders they had a team that even Kerry feared however this Tyrone side will be lucky to reach or get past the quarter finals & that fear factor is long since gone.

As for Roscommon they deserve great credit for wining against the odds last Sunday but to pull off another shock is a rare sight for underdogs.

Syferus · 03-07-2012 11:23pm

I'm sticking my troll alert hat on.

ireland01 · 03-07-2012 11:44pm

So, it was a great result even if the game was riddled with mistakes for large parts but a few days have past and i was wondering what changes would ye make for the tyrone game?

keane2097 · 04-07-2012 2:57pm

The idea that Tyrone are a step up from Armagh is incorrect. The best Tyrone team that Roscommon will have to face (i.e. one that will be missing Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill) is a touch better than a full strength Armagh team, which admittedly Roscommon didn't face either.

Basically, a performance to the top end of Roscommon's range will have them well within reach of Tyrone assuming they don't ship soft goals.

blowitupref · 04-07-2012 7:34pm

keane2097 wrote: »

The idea that Tyrone are a step up from Armagh is incorrect. The best Tyrone team that Roscommon will have to face (i.e. one that will be missing Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill) is a touch better than a full strength Armagh team, which admittedly Roscommon didn't face either.

Basically, a performance to the top end of Roscommon's range will have them well within reach of Tyrone assuming they don't ship soft goals.

Would a fit Coney even start with Mulligan,S O’Neill,McGuigan now back? admittedly very few sides are at full strength take Roscommon for example a number of their players left the panel after the Galway defeat & after been out injured two of their best players only came on as subs v Armagh.

Over the last 2-3 years the only team's that has beaten Tyrone in the championship has been Donegal,Dublin while Armagh's record since their 2008 Ulster title has been pretty average to say the least.

Tyrone are step up they have better forwards,defenders,midfield & most importantly have one of the best managers around.

SureYWouldntYa · 04-07-2012 8:44pm

Last year it was the bonestorming runs of Cavanagh that outdone Roscommon. They still would have lost but would have been more respectable. Roscommon are better than they were last year, Tyrone are not as good as they were last year. If the lads are up for it like last year or like against Armagh, they will win or run them very very close

nice_guy80 · 04-07-2012 10:19pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Last year it was the bonestorming runs of Cavanagh that outdone Roscommon. They still would have lost but would have been more respectable. Roscommon are better than they were last year, Tyrone are not as good as they were last year. If the lads are up for it like last year or like against Armagh, they will win or run them very very close

what are smoking?
Roscommon were a far better team last year all through the league and the championships games

SureYWouldntYa · 04-07-2012 10:26pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

what are smoking?
Roscommon were a far better team last year all through the league and the championships games

better players, and i think the mood would be better after defeating Armagh as opposed to losing to Mayo. as for the league, division 4 last year as opposed to to fighting for promotion in division 3

Syferus · 04-07-2012 10:29pm

Even with a few players on holidays we've a better panel of players - indeed the one of the two key players that left on a J1 was actually injured until the Tyrone game last year - with some excellent u21s from this year and last being bedded in and we played D4 football last season, where we never really had to dig deep apart from a cracker in Aughrim. The Armagh victory is ten times more significant a result than anything we did last year.

keane2097 · 04-07-2012 11:22pm

blowitupref wrote: »

Would a fit Coney even start with Mulligan,S O’Neill,McGuigan now back?

Zero doubt about it, Ronan O'Neill would start as well.

RoscommonTom · 08-07-2012 8:55am

Stating to have a good feeling about this game. Nobody will give us a chance and we can sneak under the radar. Need a MASSIVE crowd in the Hyde, show those nordies no respect and intiminidate them with the roaring and shouting. We should be afriad of noone anymore

padd b1975 · 09-07-2012 12:26am

RoscommonTom wrote: »

Stating to have a good feeling about this game. Nobody will give us a chance and we can sneak under the radar. Need a MASSIVE crowd in the Hyde, show those nordies no respect and intiminidate them with the roaring and shouting. We should be afriad of noone anymore

Roaring and shouting.:D

Bet the Kerry fellas wish they thought of that.:rolleyes:

Syferus · 09-07-2012 12:43am

padd b1975 wrote: »

Roaring and shouting.:D

Bet the Kerry fellas wish they thought of that.:rolleyes:

The only bad thing about when we win will be that everyone will pull the same charade as with Armagh; "sure aren't Tyrone old and washed up? Totally over-rated!".

Can't get no respect. Maybe you'll fight our corner with us.

RealityCheck · 09-07-2012 11:42am

Roscommon could learn a thing or two from the Galway Hurlers yesterday.

If the Roscommon team go out with intensity, self belief and a game plan they can topple Tyrone. Plenty of the younger players should hold no fear of any county as many of them have played at the higher echelons of football at under age. Tyrone should hold no fear.
A lot may also depend on what Tyrone team turns up. If the team that played Donegal and Armagh turns up they'll be in trouble. On the other hand if the Tyrone team that steam rolled Division 2 turns up Roscommon will have their work cut out.

RoscommonTom · 09-07-2012 2:41pm

Its all about believing we can win it and I firmly think we can and we will. i don't mean we should start shouting and rparing for the sakes of it but to make rhe atmosphere very imitating for the nordies, getting everyone singing songs . I remember the hospotal end years ago went fellas had accordins up there anf the craic was savage. hope its going to a fine day on Saturday as it will suit us better,

rossie1977 · 15-07-2012 7:03pm

a big well done to ours minors today, first time ever to win back to back connacht titles at this level and beating mayo and galway on the way to both is something no rossie minor team has ever done, add in two connacht minor league titles last two years as well and the achievements of these young lads is all the more impressive, 16 matches, 15 wins 1 draw

Syferus · 15-07-2012 7:31pm

Out-of-focus but what the hell:

razor425 · 05-09-2012 10:52am

Championship Quarter Final Draws:
Senior:
1) Roscommon Gaels v St. Faithleachs

2) Elphin v Clann na nGael

3) Castlerea St. Kevins v Padraig Pearses

4) St. Brigids v Western Gaels

Semi-Finals:
2 v 4
1 v 3

Intermediate:
1) Tulsk/St Barrys v St. Aidans

2) Kilglass Gaels v St. Dominics

3) St. Michaels v Clann na nGael B

4) Éire Óg v Boyle

Semi-Finals:
2 v 3
1 v 4

Senior final will be between Brigids and Faithleachs I think. Have only seen Bridigs once this year but they should get over Western Gaels handy enough I think. Clann or Elphin could cause them some problems in the semi but I still see them pushing through. On the other side of the draw I think Faithleachs should easily dispose of Ros Gaels and Castlerea should have enough to get by Pearses. Tight semi between these two but I see Faithleachs scraping through.

With regard to the intermediate, Aidans will be in the final but who joins them from the other side is a bit of a lottery. Aidans should easily beat Tulsk/St.Barrys and then should have enough to dispose of Boyle who I believe will scrape past Eire Og. On the other side I'm not so sure. Great chance for Clann B, Michaels or Kilglass to get to the decider considering how poor Dominics have been this year. Maybe someone knows more about this than me?

Be interesting to hear the opinions of others.

Syferus · 05-09-2012 8:50pm

Eire Og-Boyle has the potential to produce the intermediate champions, drew in the group stages and I'd have fancied both to have a serious stab at making the final if they'd been drawn on separate sides. The sheer stupidity of the open draw system doesn't reward performance at all and allows two teams from the same group meet in QFs.

wow sierra · 05-09-2012 8:51pm

As a neutral it is a pity Western Gaels and Brigids are meeting so early - but I suppose it gives the other teams a bit of a better chance.

I suppose bar the biggest upset - since all the Brigids defeats between 97 and 2005

- well bar that we are only looking for the runner up really.

Exciting to be at this stage of the Championship though, to see what teams up their game. Pity the Pearses game is clashing with the All Ireland Under 21 B final, but I suppose there is so much conjestion with fixtures at the moment.

Syferus · 06-09-2012 12:57am

Some questions if Cathal Cregg's 60 day exemption will have expired or not by the time the Brigid's game takes place. Would be a shame if perhaps the best player in the county has to sit and watch his club play the Roscommon and Connacht champions in knock-out football. Faithleach's and Clann look to be ahead of Western anyways and Castlerea are a sleeping giant, I wouldn't be placing Western as the clear #2 team at all.

razor425 · 06-09-2012 10:48am

Syferus wrote: »

Eire Og-Boyle has the potential to produce the intermediate champions, drew in the group stages and I'd have fancied both to have a serious stab at making the final if they'd been drawn on separate sides. The sheer stupidity of the open draw system doesn't reward performance at all and allows two teams from the same group meet in QFs.

Not sure I agree with that, personally I think Aidans will win the championship easy enough. Boyle are probably their biggest challengers but after that I don't see much between any of the others. I saw Eire Og in their final group game against Barrys where both teams were very poor and can't see them stopping Boyle based on that performance. With regard the open draw the majority of teams agreed to that earlier in the year so no-one can have any complaints now. I agree that some teams got a bit of a raw deal but on the flip side it leaves the other side of the draw very open, with the distinct possibility of a new team in the final for a change.

razor425 · 06-09-2012 10:53am

Syferus wrote: »

Some questions if Cathal Cregg's 60 day exemption will have expired or not by the time the Brigid's game takes place. Would be a shame if perhaps the best player in the county has to sit and watch his club play the Roscommon and Connacht champions in knock-out football. Faithleach's and Clann look to be ahead of Western anyways and Castlerea are a sleeping giant, I wouldn't be placing Western as the clear #2 team at all.

I would agree with this, Faithleachs are certainly ahead of Western from what I have seen and Clann are probably also ahead of them. The sleeping giant term could also be applied to Elphin and I feel they will have a good go at Clann.

rn · 07-09-2012 12:45pm

I think Pearses could upset the neturals (and Castlerea) in that game - Castlerea were extremely poor in Johnstown a couple of weeks ago - even after they got a savage start to the game. Faithleachs are likely to come out of that group, but its not as straightforward as the other side. Brigids for the other final spot ( fingers crossed for Clann though!).

gaelic cowboy · 07-09-2012 1:04pm

Any word on the fate of Des Newton is he going to step down or be forced??

lala88 · 07-09-2012 1:25pm

What kind of team do ye have with the minor hurlers this year? Normally strong at this level

nice_guy80 · 07-09-2012 1:33pm

not bad.

7 of last year's team that lost to Meath in the final.

Ros are doing very well to compete with Kerry, Meath, Kildare, Armagh considering there are only 7 underage clubs in the county

yabadabado · 07-09-2012 1:52pm

gaelic cowboy wrote: »

Any word on the fate of Des Newton is he going to step down or be forced??

Hopefully he steps down, wouldn't like to see him forced out but I don't think he is the man for the job .

lala88 · 07-09-2012 7:37pm

Roscommon are always strong at this level at minor and Under 21 its strange though they dont have more success at seinor level

Syferus · 07-09-2012 8:11pm

Only a few clubs play hurling. It'd need to be a Offally stars-align moment for us to be even entertain thoughts of reaching the Liam McCarthy Cup. Some of our best players, like Niall Kilroy, also play football and if there's opportunities available in both the player is almost always going to chose the #1 sport.

yabadabado · 12-09-2012 1:31am

Newton has stepped down as manager.county board better get this next appointment right.

razor425 · 12-09-2012 10:15am

Very important decision regarding new manager. Need someone with intercounty experience in my opinion, preferably with some experience of bringing through some younger, inexperienced players.

padd b1975 · 12-09-2012 1:09pm

The job would probably suit someone like Luke Dempsey.

RoscommonTom · 12-09-2012 2:38pm

Good ridance to Newton, and time for the country board to get their act together and show some ambitions.. What about jack o Connor, and he is available now.. I don't think their is any fella hood enough within the County what's good enough being honest.. Up the rosies

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