Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Strongbow10

Syferus wrote: »

Scores don't mean everything, that can be caused by persistent fouling, bad defending or a multitude of other reasons. This game wax a defensive battle but that's what made it entralling. In general GAA supporters need to learn to appreciate good defending (and not cynical Donegal 14-man system) rather than relying on the box score for validation of the quailty of a match.

The amount of mis placed passes was criminal.

This game was actually open enough, although neither side could fashion opportunities to score from play. Nothing to do with blanket defence or anything, just a simple lack of quality. Neither side got out of first gear for the entire game.

The fullback line of Ros was badly exposed for both goals, and midfield will still be a problem, personally I did not see a major improvement in the middle of the field, Cathal Shine is excellent but he will be out of his depth (at this stage of his physical fitness) against Dublin. He is not ready yet.

Saying that, we can not be any worse come the final.

Syferus

The second goal was in no way the Roscommon back-line 'being exposed', it was a fantastic shot by Tierney that no senior back-line in the country could have stopped.

The first goal Tierney scored was helped by the fact Tierney had pushed off Connolly, his marker, before the ball come in and hence why he was inside the full-back line when the ball came in. That wouldn't have come across in a TV broadcast it would have been following the ball.

In absolutely no way was that an open game, both defences played extremely tightly to their men and space was at a complete premium.

It's a pity people always seem to appreciate loose defending and scores over tenacious defending and a tactical battle. There's plenty of sports, like American Football, that people value matches in the vein of the Roscommon-Cavan game, but clearly that's not the case in gaelic football.

dcr22B

Maybe just maybe some other people might be telling the truth Syferus or giving their own opinion without you ridiculing it, ever consider that?

premierstone

Syferus wrote: »

The second goal was in no way the Roscommon back-line 'being exposed', it was a fantastic shot by Tierney that no senior back-line in the country could have stopped.

The first goal Tierney scored was helped by the fact Tierney had pushed off Connolly, his marker, before the ball come in and hence why he was inside the full-back line when the ball came in. That wouldn't have come across in a TV broadcast it would have been following the ball.

In absolutely no way was that an open game, both defences played extremely tightly to their men and space was at a complete premium.

It's a pity people always seem to appreciate loose defending and scores over tenacious defending and a tactical battle. There's plenty of sports, like American Football, that people value matches in the vein of the Roscommon-Cavan game, but clearly that's not the case in gaelic football.

LMFAO, I genuinely cant tell whether your drunk, trolling, outragously biased, a bit slow or quite possibly abit slow, either way carry on its quality reading

What handicap will you offer me on the final btw??

Jayob10

Syferus wrote: »

The second goal was in no way the Roscommon back-line 'being exposed', it was a fantastic shot by Tierney that no senior back-line in the country could have stopped.

The first goal Tierney scored was helped by the fact Tierney had pushed off Connolly, his marker, before the ball come in and hence why he was inside the full-back line when the ball came in. That wouldn't have come across in a TV broadcast it would have been following the ball.

In absolutely no way was that an open game, both defences played extremely tightly to their men and space was at a complete premium.

It's a pity people always seem to appreciate loose defending and scores over tenacious defending and a tactical battle. There's plenty of sports, like American Football, that people value matches in the vein of the Roscommon-Cavan game, but clearly that's not the case in gaelic football.

Tierney managed to find space in a crowded box to get his shot away, thats not exactly tight defending.

Its a pity some super fans are oblivious to any criticism their own team may be on the end of.

You were watching a "defensive masterclass", I was also at the game (Ros fan) and this is certainly not what I was watching, nor were most of the folk I spoke with during or after the game.

Most were of the opinion that we were lucky that Cavan were p*ss poor. And even at that, they pushed us to the pin of our collar.

As a previous poster put it, the amount of mis placed passes was criminal for an AI Semi Final. Roscommon can only be better the next day thankfully as they cannot be any worse.

This comes from someone who has been to all of our games by the way. The team is so much better than we saw on saturday thats for sure. but don't try and pass that muck performance off as a defensive masterclass. You do not concede 2 suspect goals when you are on top of your game defensively.

Syferus, I am sure you are a proud Ros GAA man, and I hope the lads can do it in the final.

But you really leave your judgement open to question if you consider that game at the weekend to be really good quality.

forfcksake

U 21 Sunday 6th of may in tullamore at 2

Syferus

forfcksake wrote: »

U 21 Sunday 6th of may in tullamore at 2

Fantastic for our supporters, we'll really need to up the support from the semi, though, Cavan put us to absolute shame in the stands.

megadodge

Whiile Syferus may be going overboard, I think some of the absolutely ridiculous criticism from the other end is hard to stomach.

One poster didn't notice any noticable difference in midfield!!! Are you serious??? Or are you legally blind?? Did you see the Mayo and Sligo matches? Roscommon went from winning NO kickout in the air and almost no breaking ball against a team they were infinitely better than (Sligo) to completely dominating midfield for 2/3 - 3/4 of an All-Ireland semi-final. How does that not constitute an improvement?

People whinging about the defense, despite the fact that they conceded FOUR scores in an entire All-Ireland semi-final. The first goal was definitely a bit of a mystery as to how Tierney could get that much space, which makes Syferus's theory of a push seem quite credible. I wasn't happy with the second as the back who knocked the ball down should have been knocking it away from goals not back across it, but there's no denying the quality of the little jink to make space and the sublime finish. And that's it! Roscommon didn't concede a scorable free in a whole All-Ireland semi-final. It was an excellent defensive performance.

The forwards definitely coughed up possession a little too easily for my liking, but I thought the Cavan backs defended very well as the Ros full-forward line in particular are an extremely talented trio who will give any full-back line problems.

As for the misplaced passes. There were a few long kicks in the second half that carried over the heads of the forwards. They were frustrating as Ros were dominating clearly at the time but not showing it on the scoreboard, but other than that I don't recall any more.

You'd swear we were Kerry, who win All-Ireland semi-finals for fun the way people here are whining. Rocommon have reached their first u21 final in 30 years (I was there that day too) and so-called Roscommon supporters are calling the performance "muck" and "piss-poor". As opposed to what exactly? The glorious years of failure???

Enjoy the victories when we get them. They don't happen that often.

Strongbow10

megadodge wrote: »

Whiile Syferus may be going overboard, I think some of the absolutely ridiculous criticism from the other end is hard to stomach.

One poster didn't notice any noticable difference in midfield!!! Are you serious??? Or are you legally blind?? Did you see the Mayo and Sligo matches? Roscommon went from winning NO kickout in the air and almost no breaking ball against a team they were infinitely better than (Sligo) to completely dominating midfield for 2/3 - 3/4 of an All-Ireland semi-final. How does that not constitute an improvement?

People whinging about the defense, despite the fact that they conceded FOUR scores in an entire All-Ireland semi-final. The first goal was definitely a bit of a mystery as to how Tierney could get that much space, which makes Syferus's theory of a push seem quite credible. I wasn't happy with the second as the back who knocked the ball down should have been knocking it away from goals not back across it, but there's no denying the quality of the little jink to make space and the sublime finish. And that's it! Roscommon didn't concede a scorable free in a whole All-Ireland semi-final. It was an excellent defensive performance.

The forwards definitely coughed up possession a little too easily for my liking, but I thought the Cavan backs defended very well as the Ros full-forward line in particular are an extremely talented trio who will give any full-back line problems.

As for the misplaced passes. There were a few long kicks in the second half that carried over the heads of the forwards. They were frustrating as Ros were dominating clearly at the time but not showing it on the scoreboard, but other than that I don't recall any more.

You'd swear we were Kerry, who win All-Ireland semi-finals for fun the way people here are whining. Rocommon have reached their first u21 final in 30 years (I was there that day too) and so-called Roscommon supporters are calling the performance "muck" and "piss-poor". As opposed to what exactly? The glorious years of failure???

Enjoy the victories when we get them. They don't happen that often.

Nobody said Roscommon were piss poor. Rather it was stated that the quality of the game was piss poor.

Which it was, call it being defeatist, not as good a Ros fan as you, or whatever you like. I've been watching GAA for 30 odd years and I'm using my eyes to judge that game was of poor quality. That game in particular.

If you read back, there was acknowledgement that this Ros side are alot better than they showed last Saturday.

ciarriaithuaidh

megadodge wrote: »

Whiile Syferus may be going overboard, I think some of the absolutely ridiculous criticism from the other end is hard to stomach.

One poster didn't notice any noticable difference in midfield!!! Are you serious??? Or are you legally blind?? Did you see the Mayo and Sligo matches? Roscommon went from winning NO kickout in the air and almost no breaking ball against a team they were infinitely better than (Sligo) to completely dominating midfield for 2/3 - 3/4 of an All-Ireland semi-final. How does that not constitute an improvement?

People whinging about the defense, despite the fact that they conceded FOUR scores in an entire All-Ireland semi-final. The first goal was definitely a bit of a mystery as to how Tierney could get that much space, which makes Syferus's theory of a push seem quite credible. I wasn't happy with the second as the back who knocked the ball down should have been knocking it away from goals not back across it, but there's no denying the quality of the little jink to make space and the sublime finish. And that's it! Roscommon didn't concede a scorable free in a whole All-Ireland semi-final. It was an excellent defensive performance.

The forwards definitely coughed up possession a little too easily for my liking, but I thought the Cavan backs defended very well as the Ros full-forward line in particular are an extremely talented trio who will give any full-back line problems.

As for the misplaced passes. There were a few long kicks in the second half that carried over the heads of the forwards. They were frustrating as Ros were dominating clearly at the time but not showing it on the scoreboard, but other than that I don't recall any more.

You'd swear we were Kerry, who win All-Ireland semi-finals for fun the way people here are whining. Rocommon have reached their first u21 final in 30 years (I was there that day too) and so-called Roscommon supporters are calling the performance "muck" and "piss-poor". As opposed to what exactly? The glorious years of failure???

Enjoy the victories when we get them. They don't happen that often.

Fair enough, you make some valid points.

Roscommon certainly weren't "piss poor" Saturday, they were good, but have more in them still. My argument was in relation to the general quality of the game, the standard of kicking, speed of movement etc...I thought the other semi was better, thats all. If I was a Rossie, I wouldn't be too bothered though, semis are for winning, thats all. I remember a lot of sheepstealers telling me they would be hammered by Mayo not so long ago, but they're only 60 mins from an AI now...

blowitupref

I remember a lot of sheepstealers telling me they would be hammered by Mayo not so long ago, but they're only 60 mins from an AI now...

I doubt they thought that. Haven't Roscommon defeated Mayo a number of times in Minor,U21 in recent years?

yabadabado

Showing Saturday's game on TG4 now.just started.

wow sierra

yabadabado wrote: »

Showing Saturday's game on TG4 now.just started.

Thanks for that - it is now available in full on the TG4 player too.

rossie1977

the one thing thats been forgotten in roscommon reaching an all-ireland final is that they did it without 3 of their best players from that 2009 minor team ie Daniel Qualter, Shane Layden and Jack Carty who are all ireland under 20 rugby stars at present

Syferus

rossie1977 wrote: »

the one thing thats been forgotten in roscommon reaching an all-ireland final is that they did it without 3 of their best players from that 2009 minor team ie Daniel Qualter, Shane Layden and Jack Carty who are all ireland under 20 rugby stars at present

Qualter and Shine would have been one of the most magnificent midfield pairings in the history of the u21 grade. It all speaks to the amount of work being done at under-age to teach players the fundamentals of playing and training at a high level.

wow sierra

Good luck to all the Roscommon team and management in Tullamore. It is a huge achievement getting to the final and ye are giving us a great day out.

But don't let anyone think we aren't in this thing to win - we are. Moist of the pundits who are tipping Dublin so strongly haven't even seen Roscommon play live. Bring it on.

dcr22B

Commiserations to Roscommon, really though at one stage in the 2nd half that you might have had us but thankfully we got back into it in midfield with a masterclass from Emmet O'Conghaile.

Your forwards were so economical with their shooting whereas we were very very wasteful but a 7 point win still flattered us in the end.

Is there many of those lads on the senior panel?

rebel girl 15

Changes from Roscommon came way too late, and I thought the referee left a few crucial things go for Dublin, clear throw ball and a few blatant pick ups off the ground, but those are the breaks of luck you create. At one stage I think that they lost five or six of their own kickouts in a very short period of time and no change seemed to be made, or a option to go short rather than long. I thought with ten mins to go that they would go on and win it, but Dublin came back very well. Future is bright for Roscommon football though

dcr22B

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I thought the referee left a few crucial things go for Dublin,

Ref was very generous towards the Rossies in the 1st half though. Jack McCaffrey winded in a challenge that wasn't even a distant relative of a shoulder to shoulder challenge.

Agree though that we did get a few calls in the 2nd half.

spiralism

Seven points flattered them imo, but we have a tendency to let teams pull away at the end when the game is gone and not let the scoreboard do us justice. Great support out again, half the county out in Tullamore naturally.

Better team won, both today and throughout the competition, they'd hammered basically everybody they played and we stuck very close for nearly the whole match. O' Conghaile was immense for Dublin.

theoneeyedman

Well done to Dublin the better team and in particular the better squad won out . Being able to change 2 wing forwards a full forward and a midfielder and for every sub to have a positive impact was the main difference . Dcr you are being selective in your critism of the ref. There was big hits on both sides . My critism of him was the reluctance of him to allow roscommon defence to force frees from the Dublin attack. Instead of pulling for overcarrying he allowed players to run through the tackles irrespective of the steps taken.
But overall Roscommon can have no complaints. We were in rte game through more accurate shooting, and losing the final quarter by 106 to zero is harsh but was a sign of the strength of the Dublin squad

rossie1977

dcr22B wrote: »

Is there many of those lads on the senior panel?

only one of the roscommon team have played senior championship football, number 9 niall daly and he came on with about 5 mins to go against tyrone last year, loads of that team are underage for next year

the roscommon management team were very niave, eventually roscommmons weakness (midfield) was going to get exposed when they came up against a top class team and yet the goalkeeper kept kicking the ball down the throat of the dublin midfielders when short kickouts should have been the order of the day after half time, shine (8) is a full forward naturally and daly (9) is a defender so both are being played out of position because there is no-one else until young tom corcoran is old enough next year to step up

Emmet Ryan

I've put together some tactical analysis on today's game for anyone interested
http://action81.com/blog/?p=5778

megadodge

Really disappointed with the loss, though it has to be said that Dublin deserved the win. Ros could have (as distinct form 'should have') won, but the strength in depth of Dublin really told in the end.

From a Roscommon perspective, they didn't capitilise enough when they had their periods of dominance and then the soft goal (from my viewpoint it looked like one of the backs gathered the breaking ball then spilled it, leaving a point blank attempt) meant they went in at halftime behind instead of ahead.

Midfield was dominant for most of the first half with loads of breaking ball won, but then from the middle of the second half the Roscommon goalie amazingly kicked at least 5 consecutive kickouts to the opposite side of the field to our best chance of fielding it - Shine - and towards their best fielder!!! It made no sense whatsoever and Dublin won each of those kickouts and proceeded to punish.

Then just as that was manifesting itself they took off Cian Connolly who by my reckoning won every single ball kicked in his direction and was skinning his man effortlessly, scoring two sublime points and setting up a few more. That wasn't where there was a problem.

I thought the ref was solid enough, but definitely let a number of Dublin players overcarry in the second half.

Anyway I suppose I'm nitpicking a bit, because I'm very proud of this bunch of players, a number of whom I expect to play senior at a high level for Roscommon in the coming decade. They did us proud and I for one want to thank them for their efforts.

Syferus

I don't think I could be more proud of our lads - our men - even if they had won. They have proven themselves true champions this year and no Roscommon man or woman will ever forget their efforts this year. And in the final act of the campaign they turned what most assumed to be a procession march into the game of the championship. Wonderful.

Paddy Brogan was the very definition of a captain, a leader, on the field today. His play forced his direct opposition to be hauled off very early in the second half, he hoovered up ball, picked passes and drove forward. He laid the most immense hit I've ever seen on a football field on Emmet O'Conghaile, Dublin's wonderful midfielder, that left him collapsed in a heap for all of two minutes, he exemplified the fact if anything we were the ones bristling with physicality today and not Dublin, a team lauded for their raw strength. If I don't see Brogan wearing a senior jersey in the next 12 months Des Newton needs better contact lenses.

Connolly tormented Dublin in the first half, Keane delivered our last score, a booming long range point that made you realise that the title was within touching distance. Compton, Smith, Daly and Shine were as always, imperious.

We responded to the goal before half-time as a true All-Ireland finalist should - with a raised intensity and a barrage of points. I wouldn't even say Dublin's subs changed this game - Emmet O'Conghaile did that almost entirely by himself. His fielding in the last 15 minutes was magical, cleanly winning most ever ball that went near him. If we could have broke a few more balls I felt our forwards still had enough gas to do more damage and our defence coped very well with the huge amount of pressure they came under late on. Eventually the pressure, and some lovely scores, built up a healthy lead for Dublin. The last goal being a sucker punch that provides a gloss in history books that no one who saw the game will agree with.

Well done to Dublin. Does losing to the "best u-21 team of all-time" make us the best u-21 team not to win the All-Ireland?

To the players - you owe nothing to any fan, trainer, manager or team-mate. You conducted yourselves, both on and off the field, with a dignity and a pride that can only energise the county going forward. Even if it feels like the end right now there will be opportunities for all of you in the future, be it at u-21 again, at senior or club, you've shown the entire country you are an exceptionally talented and dedicated group.

The primrose and blue flies high tonight.

LeoB

Syferus wrote: »

I don't think I could be more proud of our lads - our men - even if they had won. They have proven themselves true champions this year and no Roscommon man or woman will ever forget their efforts this year. And in the final act of the campaign they turned what most assumed to be a procession march into the game of the championship. Wonderful. .

Your right to be proud of them lads. Great bunch of players who cant be faulted for their effort.

Syferus wrote: »

Paddy Brogan was the very definition of a captain, a leader, on the field today. His play forced his direct opposition to be hauled off very early in the second half,.

Not quite. Danny Byrne got injured in first half and Dublin playing Danny on him was a mistake. Gary Sweeney moved to the wing but when he did come inside NO-ONE could handle him. He has electric pace but in Fairness Brogan gave an excellent display and played some good ball all through the match

Syferus wrote: »

He laid the most immense hit I've ever seen on a football field on Emmet O'Conghaile, Dublin's wonderful midfielder, that left him collapsed in a heap for all of two minutes, he exemplified the fact if anything we were the ones bristling with physicality today and not Dublin, a team lauded for their raw strength. ,.

Was this actually part of the Roscommon downfall? When you approach a game with such hunger and drive and the adreniln pumping it can actually drain you. Dublin kept to their game kept plugging away and eventually got the scores. Raw strength wins very little if you dont compliment it with skill. Dublin have a few big lads, bulky but mobile but his raw strength is not accurate at all

Syferus wrote: »

I wouldn't even say Dublin's subs changed this game - Emmet O'Conghaile did that almost entirely by himself. His fielding in the last 15 minutes was magical, cleanly winning most ever ball that went near him. If we could have broke a few more balls I felt our forwards still had enough gas to do more damage and our defence coped very well with the huge amount of pressure they came under late on. Eventually the pressure, and some lovely scores, built up a healthy lead for Dublin. The last goal being a sucker punch that provides a gloss in history books that no one who saw the game will agree with. ,.

Have to disagree with you here. While O'Conghaile gave a great display and caught some great ball The Dublin subs were excellent and the player I thought who turned the match was Gerry Seaver who came on for aforemention injured Danny Byrne, he also scored a good point but each time he got possession he used it very well and injected a bit of pace into Dublin which was lacking. Slow ball to quick forwards is useless and both sides were guilty of this by times. Reddin got injured just before half time when Dublin were on top and he went off which was also a big loss but O'Higgins done well also as Did Harry Dawson who also got on scoresheet. And the final score the second goal came from Paul Mannion another sub.

Syferus wrote: »

To the players - you owe nothing to any fan, trainer, manager or team-mate. You conducted yourselves, both on and off the field, with a dignity and a pride that can only energise the county going forward. Even if it feels like the end right now there will be opportunities for all of you in the future, be it at u-21 again, at senior or club, you've shown the entire country you are an exceptionally talented and dedicated group.

The primrose and blue flies high tonight.

When all was said and done with 15 minute or so to go I would have taken a draw. I was impressed by Roscommon when the cut loose. They played Some of the best football I have seen from any team. They got great scores used the ball well and some superb fielding. I thought both full back lines were good when they were each under pressure. Both sides slowed down the delivery into their forwards and this gave defences a chance to pack.

Everyone should be very proud of the players on both sides 2 very sporting teams.

Syferus

I think alot of it is down to our middle - Niall Daly is an exceptionally talented half-back, already a starter for the seniors, but midfield isn't his best position. And while Cathal Shine is a magnificent ball winner he's only returning to fitness after a horrible injury that side-lined him for a year. Today was only his second game, barring 10 minute cameos v. Mayo and Sligo, back and he was clearly winded by the end. The same pattern occured against Cavan in the semi but Dublin's dominance in the middle in the last ten coupled with classy point-scoring forwards saw them captalise where Cavan failed.

A couple gaps opened up in or defence late on but I don't think we'd over-exerted ourselves, if we'd been able to burst O'Conghaile's balloon a few times and get the ball into our forwards they had already shown their ability to score and cause Dublin alot of trouble. The constant pressure of the ball rebounding at you from every kick-out played far more of a role than Dublin's subs, who although good, profited mainly from huge amounts of possession.

What impressed me most was that we never allowed Dublin to really out-muscle us. Yes, O'Conghaile was exceptionally strong in the middle late on but overall we more than held our own physically, fighting through Dublin tackles, laying our own hits and generally forcing Dublin to win the game with their talent rather than their strength. Dublin's 20 looked like a cross between Bigfoot and the Hulk, though.

corny

Syferus wrote: »

A couple gaps opened up in or defence late on but I don't think we'd over-exerted ourselves,

Thats not right, they completely ran out of steam. It was evident from about 15 minutes from the end fellas were wilting. It was no coincidence they dominated the opening periods of both halves only to fade as tiredness became an issue. Just to emphasise the fact, i make it Dublin scored just two points in the opening 20 minutes of both halves combined (one in either half) and 1-6 in the last 10 minutes! Roscommon were dominant when fresh.

I don't know if its the age profile, fitness levels or Dublin physicality taking its toll but the main reason for the collapse late on wasn't great Dublin play or impact from the bench it was Roscommon fatigue. Certain of it.

Not a criticism btw, a compliment to lads who left nothing out there.

Drummerboy2

Have to say with 15 minutes left I thought Roscommon were going to win. But O'Conghaile took control of midfield and the substitutes made a huge difference to Dublin. Thought the different battles around the pitch were fascinating. George and Smyth had a real ding dong battle in particular. My man of the match was O'Conghaile who recovered from an immense hit on him in the first half.

Hard luck to Roscommon, they were magnificent for three quarters of the game and done their county proud. I'm sure quite a few of them will go on to have great senior careers.

wow sierra

Well done to all the Roscommon players and management. Brilliant display yesterday in Tullamore. Dublin were just that bit better.

This was a great game of football with brilliant skill on display - some wonderful scores and great intensity in the battles all over the field.

I know this is a Roscommon thread but I have to say Emmett OConghaile was immense - he gave an inspirational display of fielding. There was some criticism of the Roscommon kickouts going to him - but it didn't matter where the ball was kicked he was there.!

theoneeyedman

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Its probably worth noting that roscommon have lost four players that played minor and eligible for this team to rugby in David qualter, shane leydon, ( both u20 internationals) jack carty and David butler. Having these 4 lads to call on yesterday would have been a huge boost ( no disrespect meant to the lads involved yesterday). Good luck to the lads, but a county with the playing numbers roscommon have cant afford to lose talented players like this
Btw syferus if you couldnt see the fatigue in players around the middle i dont know what game you were watching. They had ran themselves into the ground in fairness,

nice_guy80

would any of this years minors have made a difference if introduced yesterday as subs?
or has Roscommon a policy of not playing players 'up' a grade

blowitupref

Emmet Ryan wrote: »

I've put together some tactical analysis on today's game for anyone interested
http://action81.com/blog/?p=5778

The two goals (6 points) Dublin scored more than made up for the wides they kicked but a well written piece nonetheless.

At all levels Roscommon seem to able to compete with the best however the way they fall away in games has to be concern & needs to be worked on in order to progress.

Emmet Ryan

Cheers. Yeah I think Dublin's ability to create so many more chances than Roscommon was a big factor in the end. 25-15 in that department which is a huge advantage.

rossie1977

1. Geoffrey Claffey (C);
2. Seánie McDermott; 3. Niall Carty; 4. Seán Purcell;
5. Cathal Dineen; 6. Peter Domican; 7. Ian Kilbride;
8. Michael Finneran; 9. Karol Mannion;
10. David Keenan; 11. Cathal Cregg; 12. John Rogers;
13. Senan Kilbride; 14. Darren McDermott; 15. Donie Shine;

dineen over daly, rogers over o'gara :mad:

Fozzie Bear

rossie1977 wrote: »

1. Geoffrey Claffey (C);
2. Seánie McDermott; 3. Niall Carty; 4. Seán Purcell;
5. Cathal Dineen; 6. Peter Domican; 7. Ian Kilbride;
8. Michael Finneran; 9. Karol Mannion;
10. David Keenan; 11. Cathal Cregg; 12. John Rogers;
13. Senan Kilbride; 14. Darren McDermott; 15. Donie Shine;

dineen over daly, rogers over o'gara :mad:

He better have come on in leaps and bounds since last year. Hope to God Donal Warde gets back to full fitness sooner rather then later and gets back into the CHB line. Surely O'Gara will make an appearance at some stage too.

Can't see McDermott playing at FF either, would think himself and Senan will swop or else play a two man FF line and bring Donie out the field.

rossie1977

donie and senan i would expect to play up top, cregg and mcdermott half forward with rogers and keenan supporting midfield/half back line

Syferus

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

He better have come on in leaps and bounds since last year. Hope to God Donal Warde gets back to full fitness sooner rather then later and gets back into the CHB line. Surely O'Gara will make an appearance at some stage too.

Can't see McDermott playing at FF either, would think himself and Senan will swop or else play a two man FF line and bring Donie out the field.

Dineen was probably our best player in the league, he completely deserves to start. Domican, not Dineen, was picked over Daly. I love Ward but he's going to have to be out another 5-7 weeks and we've no need to rush him anyways because if he was fit today I'd think he'd have a hard time factoring into the equation, such is the depth of talent we have at HB, never mind Keenan and Rogers who both essentially played as roaming HBs throughout the league. No need to worry at all about the HB line.

blowitupref

When the pressure was on Roscommon's half back line was poor vs Tyrone,Mayo last year. Having seen Rogers a few times i'm not sure why he's included instead of Higgins,Devaney,O'Gara or one of this year's U-21s. Wasn't Dineen the defender that kept fouling Mayo forwards in the Connacht final & had to be taken off after only coming on?

rossie1977

blowitupref wrote: »

When the pressure was on Roscommon's half back line was poor vs Tyrone,Mayo last year. Having seen Rogers a few times i'm not sure why he's included instead of Higgins,Devaney,O'Gara or one of this year's U-21s. Wasn't Dineen the defender that kept fouling Mayo forwards in the Connacht final & had to be taken off after only coming on?

yes he was, he is completely out of his depth at this level, its all well and good saying he did ok in the league but sunday is a different planet, dineen and rogers shouldn't be near the squad

there are serious question marks over carty who has no competitive football this year and purcell (who simply isn't very good)

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Syferus

Jesus 77, where has all this guff been through the first five months? Purcell isn't fantastic but he's no liability. You always seem set on putting a comical level of skeptism on every match or line-up. We've named a team fully capable of scalping Galway.

rossie1977

there are better players available to us than purcell, dineen and rogers is my thinking

i see donie shine doesn't seem all that confident heading into sunday

A Connacht title would make a good season but this is a very big test trying to beat Galway. It's a Division 3 team against a Division 2 team so we have it all to do. Between Mayo and Galway, you have two very good teams and between the rest, we are just lagging a bit behind. If you could break that form and get up there with Mayo and Galway on a more regular basis, that would be good for the province.

Syferus

rossie1977 wrote: »

there are better players available to us than purcell, dineen and rogers is my thinking

i see donie shine doesn't seem all that confident heading into sunday

He was taught well by Fergie. Donie, of all players, will relish Galway at the Hyde - he always seems to step it up on the big occasions.

razor425

rossie1977 wrote: »

there are better players available to us than purcell, dineen and rogers is my thinking

Agreed, Ormsby(is he available?) is much better than Purcell, Daly is better than Dineen and O'Gara is much better than Rogers. Question marks about Carty and D McDermott also imo.

rossie1977

razor425 wrote: »

Agreed, Ormsby(is he available?) is much better than Purcell, Daly is better than Dineen and O'Gara is much better than Rogers. Question marks about Carty and D McDermott also imo.

ormsby is gone to england for work but he has been f**ked around for 2 years now by both fergal and newton

Syferus

razor425 wrote: »

Agreed, Ormsby(is he available?) is much better than Purcell, Daly is better than Dineen and O'Gara is much better than Rogers. Question marks about Carty and D McDermott also imo.

Some insane stuff in this thread - Darren Mc is an excellent talent (at all levels, he's been a gifted player for as long as I've watched him) who hasn't put in a single bad performance as a senior, including his first start against Tyrone in Croke Park last year, being thrown into the fire to say the least. No question marks about his talent or head, he's got great hands, is a natural scorer (his late one against Longford was an absolute beauty) and looks to pass rather than run around forward like a headless chicken.

Carty's only knock is that he's only coming back from injury, his talent was never in question. I'd have started Collins and brought Carty on i nthe secodn half, but that's me.

Dineen, again, deserves his spot and to not give him the start would send the absolute wrong message to a squad in which we're trying to foster genuine competition for places. Rogers, too, played very well in the sweeper role and that's a slot where experience is of huge benefit.

O'Gara may still start, it should be said. Newton has a record of fudging line-ups and Keenan is carrying a bit of a knock from the last challenge game v. Derry.

77, about Ormsby: seriously? We're playing the 'oh woe is us, the manger(s) screwed him over!' card? Ormsby played plenty of games, even this year, and had he stayed he would have been very much involved.

razor425

Syferus wrote: »

Some insane stuff in this thread - Darren Mc is an excellent talent (at all levels, he's been a gifted player for as long as I've watched him) who hasn't put in a single bad performance as a senior, including his first start against Tyrone in Croke Park last year, being thrown into the fire to say the least. No question marks about his talent or head, he's got great hands, is a natural scorer (his late one against Longford was an absolute beauty) and looks to pass rather than run around forward like a headless chicken.

Carty's only knock is that he's only coming back from injury, his talent was never in question. I'd have started Collins and brought Carty on i nthe secodn half, but that's me.

Dineen, again, deserves his spot and to not give him the start would send the absolute wrong message to a squad in which we're trying to foster genuine competition for places. Rogers, too, played very well in the sweeper role and that's a slot where experience is of huge benefit.

O'Gara may still start, it should be said. Newton has a record of fudging line-ups and Keenan is carrying a bit of a knock from the last challenge game v. Derry.

77, about Ormsby: seriously? We're playing the 'oh woe is us, the manger(s) screwed him over!' card? Ormsby played plenty of games, even this year, and had he stayed he would have been very much involved.

McDermott is a good solid player but an excellent talent he is not. Should be in the squad and probably in the first 24 but not much more than that. We have much better forwards available than him in Compton, O'Gara and Devanney. Admittedly only Compton could play at FF but we could easily move Donie to FF and play one of the above mentionned in the corner.

With regards Collins, I would definetly have him starting. We have being trying to get him on the panel for the last 2 years with no success and now when we have him we screw him over for a player just recovering from injury who might not last a full game.

Dineen is just poor imo and Daly is a much better option. Dineen is a bit of a headless chicken. I would have Rogers pushing for a starting place but to have him ahead of O'Gara is madness imo.

rossie1977

a half fit carty is better than a fully fit collins at fullback

and yes syferus, ormsby was screwed over he had a fine game against leitrim last year in carrick and fergal then dropped him for the final replacing him with purcell, when ward went off instead of bringing purcell into half back (which is his correct position) they brought on dineen which was an utter disaster and lost the game for us, newton had him out of the team more than in, imo he is the best defender we have (along with domican)

Syferus

razor425 wrote: »

McDermott is a good solid player but an excellent talent he is not. Should be in the squad and probably in the first 24 but not much more than that. We have much better forwards available than him in Compton, O'Gara and Devanney. Admittedly only Compton could play at FF but we could easily move Donie to FF and play one of the above mentionned in the corner.

With regards Collins, I would definetly have him starting. We have being trying to get him on the panel for the last 2 years with no success and now when we have him we screw him over for a player just recovering from injury who might not last a full game.

Dineen is just poor imo and Daly is a much better option. Dineen is a bit of a headless chicken. I would have Rogers pushing for a starting place but to have him ahead of O'Gara is madness imo.

Have you seen him this year? I was convinced he had no place on the team the last two years but the man has been reborn under Newton, he's as tenacious a defender as we have, has removed the fouling from his game and makes plenty of driving runs up the wing. He's been a leader on the team this year, and don't give me the line about 'the league not mattering', Dineen was never playing at this high a level before.

I would never have believed after last year's Connacht final that Dineen would be starting our next Connacht championship match, let alone be happy about that fact, but that's sport. Don't ever throw anyone on the scrap heap, especially in a county of our size.