FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 7:09am

Brian Hayes was there too I see.

Not good at all lads.

christy c · 21-08-2020 8:29am

satguy wrote: »

lThe Gardaí waved them through checkpoints, while you or I would get a fine..
.....
You really could not make this stuff up !!!

Looks like you did make this up about checkpoints, unless you can provide a source.

Anyway this was another incredibly stupid thing to do, reopening of the country is difficult enough without repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot.

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 8:38am

christy c wrote: »

Looks like you did make this up about checkpoints, unless you can provide a source.

Anyway this was another incredibly stupid thing to do, reopening of the country is difficult enough without repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot.

While I doubt anyone will provide indisputable evidence about minister's and TDs being waved through checkpoints, there's first hand eye witness accounts** of Gardai being at the hotel, one would imagine to provide security to our esteemed political upperclass (and the Moroccan ambassador) not to mention a supreme judge also in attendance.

**Poster on this site who claims they where staying in the hotel and where in fact will still be there until Saturday.

christy c · 21-08-2020 8:56am

McMurphy wrote: »

While I doubt anyone will provide indisputable evidence about minister's and TDs being waved through checkpoints, there's first hand eye witness accounts** of Gardai being at the hotel, one would imagine to provide security to our esteemed political upperclass (and the Moroccan ambassador) not to mention a supreme judge also in attendance.

**Poster on this site who claims they where staying in the hotel and where in fact will still be there until Saturday.

Exactly, I doubt it will be provided either so we can probably add it to the growing list of nonsense that he posted in this thread.

This fcuk up will cause enough damage to the government without making stuff up.

satguy · 21-08-2020 9:01am

christy c wrote: »

Looks like you did make this up about checkpoints, unless you can provide a source.

What, are you telling there are no checkpoints ??

I live in a county in lockdown,, there are lots checkpoints. People are turned back, but it seems if you have a Garda driver and are off to a nice golf do,, you get through..

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:06am

satguy wrote: »

What, are you telling there are no checkpoints ??

I live in a county in lockdown,, there are lots checkpoints. People are turned back, but it seems if you have a Garda driver and are off to a nice golf do,, you get through..

Please back up what you said or stop waffling.

satguy · 21-08-2020 9:10am

Here is a pic of the one they would have to stop at,,,,

https://www.newstalk.com/news/county-next-lock-gp-warns-1061260

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:13am

satguy wrote: »

Here is a pic of the one they would have to stop at,,,,

https://www.newstalk.com/news/county-next-lock-gp-warns-1061260

Right, so they passed that one, where you and I would get a ticket, but they were waved through. That's the claim? Please back this up now or stop waffling.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 9:16am

satguy wrote: »

What, are you telling there are no checkpoints ??

I live in a county in lockdown,, there are lots checkpoints. People are turned back, but it seems if you have a Garda driver and are off to a nice golf do,, you get through..

They don't have to have been found to have gone through a checkpoint, there were Gardai there ignoring what was a breach of the regs. That immediately lands it on it Drew Harris's desk as a disciplinary matter surely?

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:17am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They don't have to have been found to have gone through a checkpoint, there were Gardai there ignoring what was a breach of the regs. That immediately lands it on it Drew Harris's desk as a disciplinary matter surely?

Quite possibly, so even more reason not to be making up stuff about checkpoints.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 9:20am

christy c wrote: »

Quite possibly, so even more reason not to be making up stuff about checkpoints.

It's a perfectly valid question to ask on behalf of those observing the lockdown.

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:22am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a perfectly valid question to ask on behalf of those observing the lockdown.

I responded to a statement from satguy which I asked him to back up, there was no question.

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 9:25am

Phil Hogan made an absolute balls of Irish Water and there were major question marks around the contracts and crony appointments too.
Enda rewarded him for massive overspend and utter ineptitude by getting him a saucy job in Brussels. Now Phil is back leading bad example and proving just how much FF and FG are joined at the hip. Why would Hogan attend a FF event to honour a former FF TD from Galway?

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 9:30am

christy c wrote: »

I responded to a statement from satguy which I asked him to back up, there was no question.

If a Garda driver left Kildare to drive somebody to an entertainment in Galway...a 'checkpoint' was technically breached as the Garda has a duty to enforce the regs first.

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:33am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If a Garda driver left Kildare to drive somebody to an entertainment in Galway...a 'checkpoint' was technically breached as the Garda has a duty to enforce the regs first.

Sounds like I'm back in leaving Cert poetry with all the hidden meanings in what someone said. Im asking for back up for what he actually said, if he can't provide that we should move on.

satguy · 21-08-2020 9:33am

Maybe they used a tunnel to go under the checkpoint ?

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:34am

satguy wrote: »

Maybe they used a tunnel to go under the checkpoint ?

Sounds more reasonable than some of your other nonsense.

satguy · 21-08-2020 9:44am

christy c wrote: »

Sounds more reasonable than some of your other nonsense.

Or maybe its just reasonable to say that they drove through the checkpoint,, and were not turned back,, because they had a golf do to attend ???

christy c · 21-08-2020 9:45am

satguy wrote: »

Or maybe its just reasonable to say that they drove through the checkpoint,, and were not turned back,, because they had a golf do to attend ???

That's what I'm asking you to back up, are you able to do that?

satguy · 21-08-2020 9:58am

Ok christy,, try to keep up with the rest of the class ..

Its a simple Yes or No answer...

Not turned back = Waved through ???

Come on christy,,, you can do it ...

christy c · 21-08-2020 10:02am

satguy wrote: »

Ok christy,, try to keep up with the rest of the class ..

Its a simple Yes or No answer...

Not turned back = Waved through ???

Come on christy,,, you can do it ...

Haha, the irony of you posting this after the conspiracy theories and waffle you have spammed this thread with is amazing.

I'll rephrase the question, can you provide back up that they went through a checkpoint, and were not turned back because they were going to a golf event, where you and I would have gotten a ticket?

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 10:04am

christy c wrote: »

Haha, the irony of you posting this after the conspiracy theories and waffle you have spam this thread with is amazing.

I'll rephrase the question, can you provide back up that they went through a checkpoint, and were not turned back because they were going to a golf event, where you and I would have gotten a ticket?

Once a Garda was involved and drove across the boundary of the restricted area a 'checkpoint' was breached.

The Garda was the checkpoint as the upholder of the regs.

satguy · 21-08-2020 10:06am

Turns out,, there may well be fines for some of them..

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0821/1160454-calleary-reaction/

As for you christy,,, put the pointy hat back on, and sit at the back of the class...

christy c · 21-08-2020 10:06am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Once a Garda was involved and drove across the boundary of the restricted area a 'checkpoint' was breached.

The Garda was the checkpoint as the upholder of the regs.

That's clearly not what the poster meant.

Edit: it's definitely not what he said.

christy c · 21-08-2020 10:08am

satguy wrote: »

Turns out,, there may well be fines for some of them..

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0821/1160454-calleary-reaction/

As for you christy,,, put the pointy hat back on, and sit at the back of the class...

So no back up just as I expected.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 10:09am

christy c wrote: »

That's clearly not what the poster meant.

Edit: it's definitely not what he said.

It's what I am saying. Do you agree? Is it imperative that the Commissioner takes action?

christy c · 21-08-2020 10:11am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's what I am saying. Do you agree? Is it imperative that the Commissioner takes action?

Oh fair enough, nothing to do with satguy's rubbish.

I do agree with you, what action can be taken remains to be seen.

satguy · 21-08-2020 10:20am

christy c wrote: »

So no back up just as I expected.

They are in the back of the white van, hiding under a blanket ..

LOOK ..

https://www.newstalk.com/news/county-next-lock-gp-warns-1061260

christy c · 21-08-2020 10:21am

satguy wrote: »

They are in the back of the white van, hiding under a blanket ..

LOOK ..

https://www.newstalk.com/news/county-next-lock-gp-warns-1061260

No, that's Denis O'Brien under the blanket.

Baggly · 21-08-2020 10:27am

Mod

christy c and satguy - either stop bickering or stop posting in this thread.

blanch152 · 21-08-2020 11:19am

Were Dara Calleary and Jerry Buttimer right to resign from their posts? Absolutely, they breached Covid guidelines.

Should they resign as TDs? Not so sure, that is an electoral matter. Resignation from office is the key.

Time now for all politicians who have breached Covid guidelines on this island to do the right thing and resign from appointed posts. An example has been set by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and others should follow that.

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 11:20am

blanch152 wrote: »

Were Dara Calleary and Jerry Buttimer right to resign from their posts? Absolutely, they breached Covid guidelines.

Should they resign as TDs? Not so sure, that is an electoral matter. Resignation from office is the key.

Time now for all politicians who have breached Covid guidelines on this island to do the right thing and resign from appointed posts. An example has been set by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and others should follow that.

List these examples please.

**Puts on kettle**

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:28am

blanch152 wrote: »

Were Dara Calleary and Jerry Buttimer right to resign from their posts? Absolutely, they breached Covid guidelines.

Should they resign as TDs? Not so sure, that is an electoral matter. Resignation from office is the key.

Time now for all politicians who have breached Covid guidelines on this island to do the right thing and resign from appointed posts. An example has been set by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and others should follow that.

This isn't a little mess up by a couple of politicians...the entire apparatus of the state is in the frame here , the political class that 'lead' us, the judiciary, our representatives in the EU, the Gardai and the media.

smurgen · 21-08-2020 11:32am

Simon Harris quiet. Leo quiet. Neale Richmond quiet. Are they all in a focus group with the spin docs this morning before they voice a well groomed response to golf gate? The same lads were very vocal to make carefully crafted emotional please against private business flouting rules last week. Not a normal party.Senior hurling now lads!

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1294929138625716224?s=08

blanch152 · 21-08-2020 11:39am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This isn't a little mess up by a couple of politicians...the entire apparatus of the state is in the frame here , the political class that 'lead' us, the judiciary, our representatives in the EU, the Gardai and the media.

Let us be clear Francie, I called for Michelle O'Neill and Conor Murphy to resign from the NI Executive because of their breaches of Covid-19 at the Storey funeral. Ditto Mary-Lou as leader of Sinn Fein and Pearse as whatever spokesperson responsibility he holds. You didn't, so you obviously think the entire apparatus of the state up North being in the frame isn't important.

Similarly, the judges in this case should resign (maybe serve in a lower court) as should the independent TD chair of the health committee. The resignations of Dara Calleary and Jerry Buttimer were also appropriate.

I don't believe people should resign their Dail seats because that is a matter for the electorate, but any politician who has breached Covid-19 rules should resign from their appointed position.

James Brown · 21-08-2020 12:30pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If a Garda driver left Kildare to drive somebody to an entertainment in Galway...a 'checkpoint' was technically breached as the Garda has a duty to enforce the regs first.

Ah but they might have busted through the checkpoint like Smokey and the Bandit. You don't know :rolleyes:

christy c · 21-08-2020 12:40pm

Bowie wrote: »

Ah but they might have busted through the checkpoint like Smokey and the Bandit. You don't know :rolleyes:

I know this is tongue in cheek, but not the daftest thing criticism we have read in this thread.

James Brown · 21-08-2020 12:41pm

McMurphy wrote: »

While I doubt anyone will provide indisputable evidence about minister's and TDs being waved through checkpoints, there's first hand eye witness accounts** of Gardai being at the hotel, one would imagine to provide security to our esteemed political upperclass (and the Moroccan ambassador) not to mention a supreme judge also in attendance.

**Poster on this site who claims they where staying in the hotel and where in fact will still be there until Saturday.

Justice Woulfe is another Fine Gaeler. Nice to see a top judge who helped put the legalities of Covid restrictions in place attend this event. The Garda present who should be enforcing them too.
A real uncovering of how our betters have no regard for the plight of the little people.
Who'll get the Agricultural job now....

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 12:47pm

Bowie wrote: »

Justice Woulfe is another Fine Gaeler. Nice to see a top judge who helped put the legalities of Covid restrictions in place attend this event. The Garda present who should be enforcing them too.
A real uncovering of how our betters have no regard for the plight of the little people.
Who'll get the Agricultural job now....

Hogan under severe pressure and trying to shift the blame to the Hotel and Leo doesn't even mention him. Nothing learned from Bailey it seems...keep digging until it all goes tits up.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296773519112654850

satguy · 21-08-2020 12:59pm

Phil Hogan saying that its the hotel that is to blame,, is just rubbing it in.

The man has no honor at all..

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 1:07pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hogan under severe pressure and trying to shift the blame to the Hotel and Leo doesn't even mention him. Nothing learned from Bailey it seems...keep digging until it all goes tits up.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1296773519112654850

Worst excuse ever, if your safety is being assured and you arrive to an establishment and it is quite evident it's not, do you:

Leave.

Or sit through it, and then tweet about it blaming the hotel afterwards?

Personal responsibility anyone?

Brendan Bendar · 21-08-2020 1:09pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This isn't a little mess up by a couple of politicians...the entire apparatus of the state is in the frame here , the political class that 'lead' us, the judiciary, our representatives in the EU, the Gardai and the media.

Hmmm one member of the political class seems very pleased to have ‘broken the State’ and apparently shouted support for a terrorist organisation.

Sauce for the goose....an all that Francie.

Seems to be a ‘lot of anger ‘ over travel restrictions and distancing but the leader and deputy leader of a party seem to have overcome all that stuff.

Be careful what you wish for, here.

markodaly · 21-08-2020 3:43pm

McMurphy wrote: »

List these examples please.

**Puts on kettle**

markodaly · 21-08-2020 3:44pm

Bowie wrote: »

Justice Woulfe is another Fine Gaeler.

Proof?

Yurt2 · 21-08-2020 3:49pm

markodaly wrote: »

Proof?

He was an active FG member in his constituency.

Apart from that the Law Library is an intensely poltical place. Every SC has their colours and will have cultivated poltical relationships looking to get a tap on the shoulder for one gig or another.

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 3:50pm

markodaly wrote: »

Oh sorry my bad.....I thought highlighting the relevant text would have fool proofed what I was referring to....

An example has been set by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and others should follow that.

List these examples please.......

James Brown · 21-08-2020 4:10pm

markodaly wrote: »

Proof?

Here..

He was appointed as Attorney General in June 2017 on the nomination of Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, at the formation of the 31st Government of Ireland, succeeding Máire Whelan. At the time of his appointment, he was active with Fine Gael in Dublin Bay North.[15] He was seen by ministers to be a trusted adviser to Varadkar.[19]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séamus_Woulfe

markodaly · 21-08-2020 4:12pm

Bowie wrote: »

Here..

That doesnt prove that he is a FG member.
Is that all you have?

James Brown · 21-08-2020 4:13pm

markodaly wrote: »

That doesnt prove that he is a FG member.
Is that all you have?

he was active with FG. Makes him a Fine Gaeler.

markodaly · 21-08-2020 4:14pm

Bowie wrote: »

he was active with FG. Makes him a Fine Gaeler.

So no proof he is a FG member then.
Thanks for playing.

FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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