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Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

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    #2732
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/how-encrochat-hack-unfolded-after-19271190


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    #2733
    bigsuge1
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭bigsuge1


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    Sure theres this media portrayal of one man alone planning great robberies and never touching drugs and always sober. Always keeps the youngfellas in check. Keeps them in school.

    The truth is anything but.

    Was it through Gerry himself that the whole Hutch name was ‘built’ upon or were any of his family members like Patsy, John etc in deep as well maybe just not as infamous and in the papers every day?

    Or are the whole lot of them including all the nephews nieces etc just leaches and bullies who used the name to get where they got


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    #2734
    [Deleted User]
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    theo_parrish wrote: »
    Anyone ever here of the ballymount bloodbath? Just came across it, never heard of it before...good read, sounds fairly gruesome

    https://theirishmob.com/the-ballymount-bloodbath/

    I remember this happening as I lived nearby at the time........ On May 24, 2005, the criminal gang struck again, this time it was the man who had set up the Ballymount Bloodbath with the INLA members. A 36 year old man was shot twice in the head and body outside a house he had just moved into in Clondalkin, Dublin. He was lying in bed upstairs when the gunman called to the front door which was opened by one of his children. The gunman ran upstairs shot him where he lay and then left with three children, all under 11, screaming in the presence of their murdered father............ at the time it was thought to be local drugwars iirc.


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    #2735
    grayzer75
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    Augeo wrote: »
    I remember this happening as I lived nearby at the time........ On May 24, 2005, the criminal gang struck again, this time it was the man who had set up the Ballymount Bloodbath with the INLA members. A 36 year old man was shot twice in the head and body outside a house he had just moved into in Clondalkin, Dublin. He was lying in bed upstairs when the gunman called to the front door which was opened by one of his children. The gunman ran upstairs shot him where he lay and then left with three children, all under 11, screaming in the presence of their murdered father............ at the time it was thought to be local drugwars iirc.

    Big Nick was shot in Dundalk by members of the INLA over what happened in Dublin and the heat it brought, their calling card was the bullet in each eye which the INLA were fond of.

    He had also brought heat to the INLA in Dundalk over the shooting of Stephen Connolly who refused to pay protection money for his pub on Park St - he was gunned down just up the street from his pub.


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    #2736
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    bigsuge1 wrote: »
    Was it through Gerry himself that the whole Hutch name was ‘built’ upon or were any of his family members like Patsy, John etc in deep as well maybe just not as infamous and in the papers every day?

    Or are the whole lot of them including all the nephews nieces etc just leaches and bullies who used the name to get where they got


    Anybody with a nickname in the sunday world usually has at the very least a few close friends and family members. Thenprobably a pile of lads who can comw in and out depending on the job, shipment or how in need of money they are. Patsy Hutch would not have been heard of nationally until this feud kicked off, he would have been well known around the area though, and to the garda.


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    #2737
    Irishphotodesk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Irishphotodesk


    Fiftyfilthy wrote: »
    Why does both the media and Garda always emphasise that p hutch is a hardworking law abiding citizen with no involvement in crime?

    Which is it goodie or baddie and if baddie why are the media and gards saying different ?

    little thing called defamation - if the media/gardai claim he is involved in crime they would need to 100% be able to prove it or else they face having to make a payout.

    if they can prove it - then he could/would be charged and brought before a court.


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    #2738
    theballz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    fantaiscool wrote: »
    Look at the environment they were raised in. It's also worth mentioning that society probably wouldn't give them a chance. I saw one of them in the papers once just because she was doing a bit of modelling. Of course the papers made it a big story and the monks face was plastered in. Good luck getting mod
    elling jobs after that. So maybe society has some culpability.

    I grew up on a council estate. My parents taught me wrong from right, respect etc. No cash is no excuse.

    Not of lack of opportunity, but lack of effort and willingness. All this is, is excuses and shifting the blame onto others. There are plenty of job opportunities for teenagers, but the fact is, they've been brought up by parents on benefits who have no life goals or aspirations, and funnily enough, that tends to rub off on your children (who would have guessed it). You could literally offer these kids jobs without them even having to look for them, and they would not take the jobs. Again, it's not lack of opportunity, they just can't be arsed, and when questioned, they blame everyone else. They can't be helped, they can only help themselves.


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    #2739
    Omackeral
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    bigsuge1 wrote: »
    Was it through Gerry himself that the whole Hutch name was ‘built’ upon or were any of his family members like Patsy, John etc in deep as well maybe just not as infamous and in the papers every day?

    Or are the whole lot of them including all the nephews nieces etc just leaches and bullies who used the name to get where they got

    Everyone except his own children it would seem. Privately educated and aworking decent jobs, by all accounts. Mad how that happened for his own kids but literally every other branch of the tree is rotten. Suppose moving them out of the NIC probably helped a lot.


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    #2740
    Halenvaneddie
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Halenvaneddie


    theballz wrote: »
    I grew up on a council estate. My parents taught me wrong from right, respect etc. No cash is no excuse.

    Not of lack of opportunity, but lack of effort and willingness. All this is, is excuses and shifting the blame onto others. There are plenty of job opportunities for teenagers, but the fact is, they've been brought up by parents on benefits who have no life goals or aspirations, and funnily enough, that tends to rub off on your children (who would have guessed it). You could literally offer these kids jobs without them even having to look for them, and they would not take the jobs. Again, it's not lack of opportunity, they just can't be arsed, and when questioned, they blame everyone else. They can't be helped, they can only help themselves.

    The victim mentality at play


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    #2741
    abarkie
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    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/massive-haul-cocaine-found-hidden-19291599

    Anyone that is known here?


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    #2742
    fergiesfav
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭fergiesfav


    The gangland archive account on Twitter is interesting. Derek Hutch snr gets a lot of mentions, he must have been a big player in the 90s.

    A lot of stuff Paul Williams wrote back then, he has since contradicted.


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    #2743
    NorthCity
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭NorthCity


    fantaiscool wrote: »
    Look at the environment they were raised in. It's also worth mentioning that society probably wouldn't give them a chance. I saw one of them in the papers once just because she was doing a bit of modelling. Of course the papers made it a big story and the monks face was plastered in. Good luck getting modelling jobs after that. So maybe society has some culpability.

    I lived among them i haven't got one conviction , Zero , Every member of their family and extended family have 40 - 50 previous convictions , Names that you wouldn't automatically connect with the Hutch family unless you lived in the area all low life scum , As for not getting work if connected to the Monk that's incorrect , The Monk was in huge demand with the D4 set when he that the humvee limo's He was also voted Ireland's sexiest man twice .


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    #2744
    MickyPearse
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭MickyPearse


    fergiesfav wrote: »
    The gangland archive account on Twitter is interesting. Derek Hutch snr gets a lot of mentions, he must have been a big player in the 90s.

    A lot of stuff Paul Williams wrote back then, he has since contradicted.

    He wrote a piece claiming the monk was a big heroin dealer. He makes it up as he goes along


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    #2745
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    MickyPearse wrote: »
    He wrote a piece claiming the monk was a big heroin dealer. He makes it up as he goes along

    You still think he is a Robin Hood type stealing securicor vans dont ye.


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    #2746
    TheGeneral123
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    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    You still think he is a Robin Hood type stealing securicor vans dont ye.

    I thought he stole from the rich and gave it to the poor?


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    #2747
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    TheGeneral123 wrote: »
    I thought he stole from the rich and gave it to the poor?

    Yeah the rich being the hard working people who go to work each day. The poor being the lads who sit around all day thinking up excuses for why they forgot to sign on yesterday. 😀


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    #2748
    MTKcleaners
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭MTKcleaners


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    Yeah the rich being the hard working people who go to work each day. The poor being the lads who sit around all day thinking up excuses for why they forgot to sign on yesterday. ��


    Well who actually cares, they are all the same, if Fat Freddie had not whispered sweet lies into DK,s ears, the bad blood would not have started, and Fat Freddie done the same with Gary, so the infighting started, simple as, so they are all the same, drug dealing rats.


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    #2749
    fantaiscool
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭fantaiscool


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    Yeah the rich being the hard working people who go to work each day. The poor being the lads who sit around all day thinking up excuses for why they forgot to sign on yesterday. ��


    A lot of those hard working people had much better parents and environment.


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    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    fantaiscool wrote: »
    A lot of those hard working people had much better parents and environment.

    If you make it into your 60s and havnt realised the suffering your orgnaised crime is causing you have to stop blaming your parents.


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    #2751
    GBX
    Registered Users Posts: 11,900 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    Big seizure headed for Mountjoy stopped this morning. There'll be a few pissed off heads
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40083782.html


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    #2752
    MickyPearse
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭MickyPearse


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    You still think he is a Robin Hood type stealing securicor vans dont ye.

    Monk is a criminal and everybody knows that. But if we are comparing him to DK then its pretty obvious why people prefer the Monk.

    Also quite remarkable how he kept his own family and kids away from crime. It was his nephews that got him into this mess.


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    #2753
    fantaiscool
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭fantaiscool


    What was the story with the Mel Cox shooting?


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    #2754
    MickyPearse
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭MickyPearse


    More trouble in the pearse house flats


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    #2755
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    fantaiscool wrote: »
    What was the story with the Mel Cox shooting?

    Cox was a hard man throwing his weight around the NIC but was himself an outsider from Roscommon, living in Blanch. He was with a girl from the area but was always a blow in as far as the community were concerned. Apparently broke Neddie Hutch’s jaw and refused to pay compensation or apologise and that was it for him


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    TheGeneral123
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    MTKcleaners wrote: »
    Well who actually cares, they are all the same, if Fat Freddie had not whispered sweet lies into DK,s ears, the bad blood would not have started, and Fat Freddie done the same with Gary, so the infighting started, simple as, so they are all the same, drug dealing rats.

    Mate I think it’s less about whispers in his ears and more about 2 failed assassination attempts


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    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,024 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    GBX wrote: »
    Big seizure headed for Mountjoy stopped this morning. There'll be a few pissed off heads
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40083782.html

    Initials and nicknames marked on them:rolleyes:

    that's why they are in prison


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    fantaiscool
    Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭fantaiscool


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Cox was a hard man throwing his weight around the NIC but was himself an outsider from Roscommon, living in Blanch. He was with a girl from the area but was always a blow in as far as the community were concerned. Apparently broke Neddie Hutch’s jaw and refused to pay compensation or apologise and that was it for him


    Paying compo is tricky. Apparently the hutches paid compo and it wasn't respected. I don't see why Cox would go looking for trouble, especially against the Hutches when he seems like he was a one man gang. I have to say it is a bit much to end up shooting him if he was just a one man gang. Quite ruthless. A good hiding would probably have been enough to cop him on. They must have been a bit scared of him.


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    #2759
    Haladmirer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Haladmirer


    I thought cox broke monks jaw
    Must have got that mixed up


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    #2760
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Haladmirer wrote: »
    I thought cox broke monks jaw
    Must have got that mixed up

    His brothers according to the book that Paul Williams wrote recently that was released all over WhatsApp.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #2761
    Thesiger
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    His brothers according to the book that Paul Williams wrote recently that was released all over WhatsApp.

    Just finished reading the new Williams book. He doesn’t mention a name, just says a “close relative” got his jaw broken by Cox.

    Interestingly, Williams claims that not only did Daniel Kinahan drive the getaway car for Eddie’s murder, but he was also captured on CCTV visiting Eddie’s home a couple weeks before the Regency event, trying to get a message to Gerry for peace overtures.

    Williams portrays Eddie as heavily involved in armed robberies in Gerry’s early days in the 80s.


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