Mobile phones and other electronic devices in school

Blaizes · 10-02-2019 2:20pm #1

I'm not even sure what my overall question is but being a sub in and out to different school the whole mobile phone and devices is something I see all the time. Some kids want to have phones out in class all the time,some trying to listen to music when my back is turned and I am helping a student with work.In another school some of the class had tablets and some had phones with e books on them.That was hard to manage too as I wondered were all the kids with the phones using their ebooks or looking at something else and I was going around trying to check tiny screens, ( actually I think those kids had actual books as the e books can't be displayed on a mobile phone )

I know schools have filters or whatever to block social media sites but I just think we need to talk about all of this or at least I do anyway.Do schools have a whole school policy around phones and use of technology or is it down to each individual teacher? Can a teacher collect phones at start of class and give back at the end? I have so many questions but have found that sometimes the phones and technology can interfere with the learning and be distracting. It's a challenge.I realise that technology has a place in the classroom but it's trying to manage it and make sure everyone is on the same page literally.

Any thoughts/ advice / discussion on this topic would be most welcome.

rainbowtrout · 10-02-2019 2:44pm

If you are subbing in a school best thing to do when you go in is ask what is the policy on mobile phones and then follow that. My school has a ban on phones, if they are caught with them it's confiscated for three weeks. It works very well.

Blaizes · 10-02-2019 3:06pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you are subbing in a school best thing to do when you go in is ask what is the policy on mobile phones and then follow that. My school has a ban on phones, if they are caught with them it's confiscated for three weeks. It works very well.

Thank you Rainbow Trout I will do that.It's just hard to know from school to school.My own kids primary school is very strict and notes come home regularly reminding us that the children must not bring in mobile phones or devices but it seems to me that in some schools that it seems to be a grey area and I don't know if I am within my right to take the phones and leave on teacher desk till the end of class.Then as I have said if some children have e books on devices etc. It's just not easy to manage.

TheDriver · 10-02-2019 4:10pm

There needs to be a definite policy for the whole school. Having said that, it's the one thing that parents just don't get from a school policy perspective i.e. They wouldn't break any rules but mobile phone ones seem to be OK to break.

spurious · 10-02-2019 4:53pm

Greatest curse ever.

amacca · 10-02-2019 7:25pm

spurious wrote: »

Greatest curse ever.

yup in my experience,for every time they are useful (calculator, research, educational apps/feedback etc) there are ten more times where they get in the way/distract/derail... even when they have a use as above its very hard if not impossible to police their use

I also wonder if there is potential for GDPR related risks with them now also?

Blaizes · 10-02-2019 8:58pm

amacca wrote: »

yup in my experience,for every time they are useful (calculator, research, educational apps/feedback etc) there are ten more times where they get in the way/distract/derail... even when they have a use as above its very hard if not impossible to police their use

I also wonder if there is potential for GDPR related risks with them now also?

Yip really hard to police their use, as you say fine if they are using them for educational purposes but what of the rest, possible distraction etc. Almost every student at secondary has a phone now and that isn't going to change so I suppose it is about how this is managed but that's the difficult part.As regards GDPR very good question.

Blaizes · 10-02-2019 9:17pm

TheDriver wrote: »

There needs to be a definite policy for the whole school. Having said that, it's the one thing that parents just don't get from a school policy perspective i.e. They wouldn't break any rules but mobile phone ones seem to be OK to break.

That's true actually probably because most people have one and maybe some parents don't stop to think about how distracting they can be in a school environment.

happywithlife · 10-02-2019 9:36pm

up until recently we allowed them "at teacher's discretion" as some of us - myself included- found it handy for taking a pic of the board maybe at end of class to help with homework; or they snapped a picture of the page in their textbook as they tend to leave them in the classrooms (DEIS school and no culture of doing work at home. vast majority of "homework" is done in free classes)
anyway due to a few instances of misuse across a few years phones are now completly banned this year. to be honest it's a pain in the rear. although the offical rule is phones are to be confiscated if seen not one teacher has gone that route - at best its a put it on the teacher's desk until the end of class. even this has resulted in several stand off's so far.
I counted out of interest how many phones I could see sticking out of student's pockets during the pre's the other day and let's just say it was into double digits. I don't know how the school plan to tackle a particular cohort during the state exams as they literally will point blank refuse to be separated from their phones. some of these are just going through the motions till they are of age to leave school and so the threat of being barred from the state exams / results withheld are no deterrent
But to the OP I'd find out from each school what their policy is and stick to that.

Blaizes · 11-02-2019 10:52am

happywithlife wrote: »

up until recently we allowed them "at teacher's discretion" as some of us - myself included- found it handy for taking a pic of the board maybe at end of class to help with homework; or they snapped a picture of the page in their textbook as they tend to leave them in the classrooms (DEIS school and no culture of doing work at home. vast majority of "homework" is done in free classes)
anyway due to a few instances of misuse across a few years phones are now completly banned this year. to be honest it's a pain in the rear. although the offical rule is phones are to be confiscated if seen not one teacher has gone that route - at best its a put it on the teacher's desk until the end of class. even this has resulted in several stand off's so far.
I counted out of interest how many phones I could see sticking out of student's pockets during the pre's the other day and let's just say it was into double digits. I don't know how the school plan to tackle a particular cohort during the state exams as they literally will point blank refuse to be separated from their phones. some of these are just going through the motions till they are of age to leave school and so the threat of being barred from the state exams / results withheld are no deterrent
But to the OP I'd find out from each school what their policy is and stick to that.

Easy to picture the stand offs as kids won't be easily parted from their phones and some just don't care re school rules.Never thought about the state exams but wow that is some absolute headache and nightmare for management.It's just gone crazy.

spurious · 11-02-2019 5:42pm

Every year the Superintendents send phones to Athlone along with lots of reports about them being used/on the person/found in exam halls. There is no excuse from the candidate's side. There is no 'I did not know'. It is announced and on posters everywhere. It's basic cop-on, which admittedly is in short supply these days.

I know of an exam where the candidate had been merrily answering away (clearly aided by internet searches) but following the removal of the phone was suddenly not so good at their factual recall.

Stupid chances to take. I suppose it will only be when one of their pals is caught that some will get the message.

Blaizes · 11-02-2019 11:42pm

spurious wrote: »

Every year the Superintendents send phones to Athlone along with lots of reports about them being used/on the person/found in exam halls. There is no excuse from the candidate's side. There is no 'I did not know'. It is announced and on posters everywhere. It's basic cop-on, which admittedly is in short supply these days.

I know of an exam where the candidate had been merrily answering away (clearly aided by internet searches) but following the removal of the phone was suddenly not so good at their factual recall.

Stupid chances to take. I suppose it will only be when one of their pals is caught that some will get the message.

Extremely foolish but as has been said already some kids just won't be parted from their phones completely hooked and dependent on them. And maybe the younger they start with phones the harder it is for them to disengage . Totally unacceptable in a state exam though or any exam. And you'd have to wonder where are the parents in all of this surely they would be telling their kids that phones are a no go in an exam hall.Not saying all kids will listen of course but still state exams are a biggie.

judeboy101 · 12-02-2019 7:19am

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you are subbing in a school best thing to do when you go in is ask what is the policy on mobile phones and then follow that. My school has a ban on phones, if they are caught with them it's confiscated for three weeks. It works very well.

Out of curiosity, does that apply to students 18 yrs old? Surely that's illegal?

freshpopcorn · 12-02-2019 7:56am

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you are subbing in a school best thing to do when you go in is ask what is the policy on mobile phones and then follow that. My school has a ban on phones, if they are caught with them it's confiscated for three weeks. It works very well.

This post kind of amazed me. That it worked well.
When I went to secondary school we all had basic camera phones up until about 5th year and some got smart phone when they started to appear.(Mainly Blackberrys)
We had a policy if were caught with your phone it would be confiscated for a month first offence. Second until the end of the term and third until the end of the year.
It didn't stop any of us using phones for a lot of the day even in the strictest teachers class.
Parents didn't care and would often text for son at school.
Have kids/teenagers gone all good all of a sudden regarding this if it works really well?
If you did get caught you'd just pull an old phone out of your bag and hand it up.
One guy had an iPhone for when we were doing our leaving cert and he took photos of his notes and spent the majority of the time looking at them and a good few copied him in the next few days.
To the OP. Just follow the schools policy. I wouldn't collect phones at the start of class. You could just end up with a lot of hassle.

spurious · 12-02-2019 6:04pm

I dream of the day when someone invents a Faraday cage that can block out mobile signals around a whole building.

The world will not fall in. People will not stop breathing.

freshpopcorn · 12-02-2019 6:14pm

spurious wrote: »

I dream of the day when someone invents a Faraday cage that can block out mobile signals around a whole building.

The world will not fall in. People will not stop breathing.

You'd probably be still be able to use basic apps if they did!

joebloggs32 · 12-02-2019 8:30pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This post kind of amazed me. That it worked well.
When I went to secondary school we all had basic camera phones up until about 5th year and some got smart phone when they started to appear.(Mainly Blackberrys)
We had a policy if were caught with your phone it would be confiscated for a month first offence. Second until the end of the term and third until the end of the year.
It didn't stop any of us using phones for a lot of the day even in the strictest teachers class.
Parents didn't care and would often text for son at school.
Have kids/teenagers gone all good all of a sudden regarding this if it works really well?
If you did get caught you'd just pull an old phone out of your bag and hand it up.
One guy had an iPhone for when we were doing our leaving cert and he took photos of his notes and spent the majority of the time looking at them and a good few copied him in the next few days.
To the OP. Just follow the schools policy. I wouldn't collect phones at the start of class. You could just end up with a lot of hassle.

Imagine the chaos when the phones are being handed back. Johnnys the last one up to collect it and someone already pocketed johnny's iPhone x.

magister71 · 12-02-2019 9:39pm

As far as I know, from the days I last was a superintendent, around 2012, if a phone went off, you wouldn't/couldn't take the phone, but rather made a report etc. My daughter, in fifth-year, tells me that a number of her friends are going to bring in phones into the L Cert and when going to the toilet etc. will look up the answers. I told her not to dare to do anything as stupid, but I imagine a number of students might do this as it's hard really to monitor.

As for the OP, check in each school and see what the policy is, but I think that technology is part of life now, so rather than trying to have blanket bans, which never really work, discretion for legitimate purposes should be allowed.

Blaizes · 12-02-2019 9:42pm

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Imagine the chaos when the phones are being handed back. Johnnys the last one up to collect it and someone already pocketed johnny's iPhone x.

Worked in a UK school where kids had to hand over their phones at the school reception each morning and they got them back at the end of the school day. Couple of school secretaries collected them and the kids would queue up I don't know how they managed it but it seemed to work.But then maybe the odd day Johnny ended up with the wrong phone !

freshpopcorn · 12-02-2019 10:21pm

Blaizes wrote: »

Worked in a UK school where kids had to hand over their phones at the school reception each morning and they got them back at the end of the school day. Couple of school secretaries collected them and the kids would queue up I don't know how they managed it but it seemed to work.But then maybe the odd day Johnny ended up with the wrong phone !

If you had this policy wouldn't you just hand in old phone and use your phone during the day.

Blaizes · 12-02-2019 10:32pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If you had this policy wouldn't you just hand in old phone and use your phone during the day.

Maybe so but it didn't seem to happen in the school I was in, perhaps they hadn't thought of it but this was over ten years ago when phones probably weren't as popular and certainly not as advanced as now so maybe they didn't feel they were loosing out so much by handing them over. But now yes they could easily hand up an old one and keep the good one in their pocket.

evolving_doors · 12-02-2019 11:16pm

magister71 wrote: »

As far as I know, from the days I last was a superintendent, around 2012, if a phone went off, you wouldn't/couldn't take the phone, but rather made a report etc. My daughter, in fifth-year, tells me that a number of her friends are going to bring in phones into the L Cert and when going to the toilet etc. will look up the answers. I told her not to dare to do anything as stupid, but I imagine a number of students might do this as it's hard really to monitor.

As for the OP, check in each school and see what the policy is, but I think that technology is part of life now, so rather than trying to have blanket bans, which never really work, discretion for legitimate purposes should be allowed.

From watching the students in LC exams during supervision they're fairly tight for time in most exams. So say if you were stuck on a question and you had all your notes and 4g it would be a good bit of time to go out and get the answer then head back in and recall it and write it down. If it's a detailed essay I suppose you'd remember a good few points. But I think you'd have to be pretty organised to have all your ducks in a row with all the solutions on hand, so in that case you're probably organised enough to study.

No doubt it would give you and edge, but i reckon it would be of more benefit to the mid grades than those at the higher grades.

I was supervising the mocks and noticed a student had gone out 3 times during a 2 hour exam. What can you do though, we request that students leave heir phones on the teacher's table before the exam, should all be obliged to do it?

joebloggs32 · 12-02-2019 11:24pm

Blaizes wrote: »

Maybe so but it didn't seem to happen in the school I was in, perhaps they hadn't thought of it but this was over ten years ago when phones probably weren't as popular and certainly not as advanced as now so maybe they didn't feel they were loosing out so much by handing them over. But now yes they could easily hand up an old one and keep the good one in their pocket.

If you had 1000 pupils in the school it would take all morning to get them in. Same in the afternoon as they leave, and then kids leaving early constantly looking for their phone back.
Then safely securing 1000 phones each worth say an average of €300 would be a real headache.

Uinseann_16 · 12-02-2019 11:29pm

spurious wrote: »

I dream of the day when someone invents a Faraday cage that can block out mobile signals around a whole building.

The world will not fall in. People will not stop breathing.

Its called a signal jammer and its illegal to use as it could prevent someone calling the emergency services...
its about the size of a phone with a small antenna attached you can buy them off aliexpress and the likes

evolving_doors · 12-02-2019 11:30pm

joebloggs32 wrote: »

If you had 1000 pupils in the school it would take all morning to get them in. Same in the afternoon as they leave, and then kids leaving early constantly looking for their phone back.
Then safely securing 1000 phones each worth say an average of €300 would be a real headache.

then who's responsible if one come out scratched.

That would be a full time post managing all those phones.

Might be a way to generate some cash for the school if they rented out charging points.

freshpopcorn · 12-02-2019 11:33pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

From watching the students in LC exams during supervision they're fairly tight for time in most exams. So say if you were stuck on a question and you had all your notes and 4g it would be a good bit of time to go out and get the answer then head back in and recall it and write it down. If it's a detailed essay I suppose you'd remember a good few points. But I think you'd have to be pretty organised to have all your ducks in a row with all the solutions on hand, so in that case you're probably organised enough to study.

No doubt it would give you and edge, but i reckon it would be of more benefit to the mid grades than those at the higher grades.

I was supervising the mocks and noticed a student had gone out 3 times during a 2 hour exam. What can you do though, we request that students leave heir phones on the teacher's table before the exam, should all be obliged to do it?

I've seen people in secondary school and college take photos of their books/notes and take them out in the exam and get away with it.

Blaizes · 12-02-2019 11:50pm

joebloggs32 wrote: »

If you had 1000 pupils in the school it would take all morning to get them in. Same in the afternoon as they leave, and then kids leaving early constantly looking for their phone back.
Then safely securing 1000 phones each worth say an average of €300 would be a real headache.

Our school was smaller and not every student had a phone but I'd still say they took in well over a hundred phones a day and it was crazy in reception with several secretaries running around putting them in trays, no way would any school here have the manpower to do it and with 1,000 phones yes you can definitely forget it.And then as you say there is the issue of safety and insurance. It would be interesting to know if they still do it in UK schools or maybe they can't now due to privacy laws, etc plus it just simply being unmanageable by sheer scale.

Blaizes · 12-02-2019 11:52pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

then who's responsible if one come out scratched.

That would be a full time post managing all those phones.

Might be a way to generate some cash for the school if they rented out charging points.

Great TY project idea there for some of the kids!

kccamper · 13-02-2019 12:06am

I work in a large mixed school (over 1000 pupils) and phoned are banned. Any use or sighting of a phone results in a three week ban and parents have to sign the phone out at the end. I confiscated one phone in 5 years and have not seen any others. Every teacher enforces the rule and as a result we have zero use in class or in corridors. Students have their phones in their bags but the prospect of being without their most important limb dissuades the vast majority. Our school is 11 years old and this rule has always been in place. I can imagine it would be a nightmare to introduce retrospectively and I sincerely empathise with the OP but unless there is a whole school policy, with implementation across the board, it is very difficult to manage.

freshpopcorn · 13-02-2019 12:13am

kccamper wrote: »

I work in a large mixed school (over 1000 pupils) and phoned are banned. Any use or sighting of a phone results in a three week ban and parents have to sign the phone out at the end. I confiscated one phone in 5 years and have not seen any others. Every teacher enforces the rule and as a result we have zero use in class or in corridors. Students have their phones in their bags but the prospect of being without their most important limb dissuades the vast majority. Our school is 11 years old and this rule has always been in place. I can imagine it would be a nightmare to introduce retrospectively and I sincerely empathise with the OP but unless there is a whole school policy, with implementation across the board, it is very difficult to manage.

Ye must have very good students!
Our rule was even stricter than years and very few people followed it.
I don't know if the teachers didn't see it or they didn't care.
I know one would pounce on a phone anytime she could and you'd still chance it.

Blaizes · 14-02-2019 1:25am

kccamper wrote: »

I work in a large mixed school (over 1000 pupils) and phoned are banned. Any use or sighting of a phone results in a three week ban and parents have to sign the phone out at the end. I confiscated one phone in 5 years and have not seen any others. Every teacher enforces the rule and as a result we have zero use in class or in corridors. Students have their phones in their bags but the prospect of being without their most important limb dissuades the vast majority. Our school is 11 years old and this rule has always been in place. I can imagine it would be a nightmare to introduce retrospectively and I sincerely empathise with the OP but unless there is a whole school policy, with implementation across the board, it is very difficult to manage.

That sounds brilliant and well managed but as you say how to apply that retrospectively when kids are joined at the hip to their phones and so used to using them. Some completely addicted to them too probably.

bobbyss · 16-02-2019 9:00am

rainbowtrout wrote:

If you are subbing in a school best thing to do when you go in is ask what is the policy on mobile phones and then follow that. My school has a ban on phones, if they are caught with them it's confiscated for three weeks. It works very well.

What happens if a student tells you to 'F Off' It's my property" kind of thing. What if they refused to hand over and their parents back them 100%. They claim the last time it was handed over it was all scratched. And lo and behold yes there does seem to be damage to it. 'And you're lucky I'm not suing you'. How it got damaged is anyone's guess. Huge aggression. Students walk out of school rather than hand it up. And not a bother. A day off.

Drag00n79 · 16-02-2019 7:27pm

bobbyss wrote:

What happens if a student tells you to 'F Off' It's my property" kind of thing. What if they refused to hand over and their parents back them 100%. They claim the last time it was handed over it was all scratched. And lo and behold yes there does seem to be damage to it. 'And you're lucky I'm not suing you'. How it got damaged is anyone's guess. Huge aggression. Students walk out of school rather than hand it up. And not a bother. A day off.

And on top of that a school is on legal thin ice confiscating a phone.

evolving_doors · 16-02-2019 8:02pm

Drag00n79 wrote: »

And on top of that a school is on legal thin ice confiscating a phone.

In etch case it should refer back to the rules.
It's no different than if a student took out a fidget spinner and started playing with it.... but it seems like some students can claim special privileges because it's their phone!

I think we had the same attitude coming through in a recent enoug post where a student felt aggrieved his vaping device was confiscated!!!

Students and parents sign up to abide by the rules. If they don't comply then they shouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. So i think it all goes back to how much the school are acting 'as one' in line with policy ...or making it up as they go along without amending policy.

bobbyss · 16-02-2019 9:44pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

In etch case it should refer back to the rules.
It's no different than if a student took out a fidget spinner and started playing with it.... but it seems like some students can claim special privileges because it's their phone!

I think we had the same attitude coming through in a recent enoug post where a student felt aggrieved his vaping device was confiscated!!!

Students and parents sign up to abide by the rules. If they don't comply then they shouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. So i think it all goes back to how much the school are acting 'as one' in line with policy ...or making it up as they go along without amending policy.

There is a big difference between a fidget spinner and a three hundred euro mobile.
A school may also be in a vulnerable place trying to enforce rules that a student (ie a child) has been asked to 'sign up' to. Is that in itself legal?

amacca · 16-02-2019 11:46pm

bobbyss wrote: »

What happens if a student tells you to 'F Off' It's my property" kind of thing. What if they refused to hand over and their parents back them 100%. They claim the last time it was handed over it was all scratched. And lo and behold yes there does seem to be damage to it. 'And you're lucky I'm not suing you'. How it got damaged is anyone's guess. Huge aggression. Students walk out of school rather than hand it up. And not a bother. A day off.

Theres something wrong with a system where rules about mobile phones can't be enforced imo

(I accept the fact that its reality but really its the tail wagging the dog here)

evolving_doors · 17-02-2019 12:54pm

bobbyss wrote: »

There is a big difference between a fidget spinner and a three hundred euro mobile.

Cost has no bearing. No more than if it were a €300 bong.

bobbyss wrote: »

A school may also be in a vulnerable place trying to enforce rules that a student (ie a child) has been asked to 'sign up' to. Is that in itself legal?

I said parents and students.
Further to that, loco parentis gives the school the right to act in the best interests of the child, and other effected students.

They can keep it in their pocket and turn it off.

Giveaway · 17-02-2019 1:01pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Its called a signal jammer and its illegal to use as it could prevent someone calling the emergency services...
its about the size of a phone with a small antenna attached you can buy them off aliexpress and the likes

A faraday cage is not a jammer. Been around for centuries. An airplane fuselage would be an example. Nobody inside is fried by a lightning strike. Build around a classroom and can use landline or step out into corridor to make emergency call

Giveaway · 17-02-2019 1:03pm

bobbyss wrote: »

What happens if a student tells you to 'F Off' It's my property" kind of thing. What if they refused to hand over and their parents back them 100%. They claim the last time it was handed over it was all scratched. And lo and behold yes there does seem to be damage to it. 'And you're lucky I'm not suing you'. How it got damaged is anyone's guess. Huge aggression. Students walk out of school rather than hand it up. And not a bother. A day off.

Then the school disciplinary process kicks in. I would exclude him from class until phone handed over

freshpopcorn · 17-02-2019 1:05pm

Giveaway wrote: »

Then the school disciplinary process kicks in. I would exclude him from class until phone handed over

That's great. If you didn't have a spare phone 9j your bag.
You could get one and hand it up and keep your own.

Giveaway · 17-02-2019 1:11pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's great. If you didn't have a spare phone 9j your bag.
You could get one and hand it up and keep your own.

Troubkesome teen storming out and hanging out at home is the parents responsibility

freshpopcorn · 17-02-2019 1:16pm

Giveaway wrote: »

Troubkesome teen storming out and hanging out at home is the parents responsibility

Saying they are troublesome is a bit over dramatic.
Just because you use a phone in school and won't hand it over to a teacher doesn't really make you a troublesome teen in my experience.
All you've to do is get another phone and hand it up and your back in school. Your not really excluding them if they get back in when the phone is handed up.

twowheelsonly · 17-02-2019 1:39pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Its called a signal jammer and its illegal to use as it could prevent someone calling the emergency services...
its about the size of a phone with a small antenna attached you can buy them off aliexpress and the likes

The law is funny on these things as you can use them with a licence as long as they don't interfere with other licensees (e.g. Mobile phone service providers..). Therefore to use them needs the consent of the affected services.
I can vaguely recall that a cinema was ordered to remove one under threat of prosecution.

The big question of course is how often do students need to call the emergency services ? I'd take a guess at never in this country.

SligoBrewer · 17-02-2019 3:11pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's great. If you didn't have a spare phone 9j your bag.
You could get one and hand it up and keep your own.

The days of spare phones are gone with activation on servers, added cost of phones and having accounts tied to one device only. This isn't 2006 anymore when we could text in our pockets without looking at the screen.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-02-2019 3:24pm

What about this 5G rollout over the coming years, will it be a 'health experiment' of sorts?

With new millimeter wavelengths, it requires thousands of new 'small cell' towers (possibly using upgraded streetlights).

freshpopcorn · 17-02-2019 3:25pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

The days of spare phones are gone with activation on servers, added cost of phones and having accounts tied to one device only. This isn't 2006 anymore when we could text in our pockets without looking at the screen.

We had touch phones in the later half of secondary school.
Plenty got away with texting.
Cheap touch phones are available in Tesco. I know people who still do it.

rainbowtrout · 17-02-2019 4:17pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, does that apply to students 18 yrs old? Surely that's illegal?

Why would it be illegal? It's part of the school policy that parents and students have signed up to. Phones are banned in the school. If they are caught with a phone, it's a 3 week ban. Then they get it back.

Actually about 2 years ago a parent went and reported the confiscated phone as theft at the local garda station. The guards called up, heard what happened and said grand and left.

We rarely see a phone now. We're not so naive as to assume that students don't have phones with them, but they would never take one out in class, the penalty is too severe (and is enforced) if they are caught.

freshpopcorn · 17-02-2019 4:20pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

We rarely see a phone now. We're not so naive as to assume that students don't have phones with them, but they would never take one out in class, the penalty is too severe (and is enforced) if they are caught.

I have to say your very naive of you think they never take them out.
Our policy was was stricter than yere's and it was enforced but most people chanced it.

rainbowtrout · 17-02-2019 4:25pm

bobbyss wrote: »

What happens if a student tells you to 'F Off' It's my property" kind of thing. What if they refused to hand over and their parents back them 100%. They claim the last time it was handed over it was all scratched. And lo and behold yes there does seem to be damage to it. 'And you're lucky I'm not suing you'. How it got damaged is anyone's guess. Huge aggression. Students walk out of school rather than hand it up. And not a bother. A day off.

Well I'll ask them again. If it continues they'll be marched down to the principal's office and parents called in. Funny enough once that is the other option the phone is handed over fairly quickly.

Drag00n79 wrote: »

And on top of that a school is on legal thin ice confiscating a phone.

It's in our school policy. We don't plan on keeping it, it will be returned after three weeks. Same as any other object that can be confiscated.

evolving_doors wrote: »

In etch case it should refer back to the rules.
It's no different than if a student took out a fidget spinner and started playing with it.... but it seems like some students can claim special privileges because it's their phone!

I think we had the same attitude coming through in a recent enoug post where a student felt aggrieved his vaping device was confiscated!!!

Students and parents sign up to abide by the rules. If they don't comply then they shouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. So i think it all goes back to how much the school are acting 'as one' in line with policy ...or making it up as they go along without amending policy.

Yep, phones are no different from hoopy earrings, facial piercings and multicoloured jackets or whatever else schools usually ban.

bobbyss wrote: »

There is a big difference between a fidget spinner and a three hundred euro mobile.
A school may also be in a vulnerable place trying to enforce rules that a student (ie a child) has been asked to 'sign up' to. Is that in itself legal?

Nope. A school's policy is their terms and conditions. Should we not have any rules at all??? You sign up to all sorts of terms and conditions everywhere else in life. Why should schools be different? Children don't sign up to rules on their own, their parents are also signing up to them. Parents are agreeing to not let their child bring a phone to school. They have access to the office phone if they need to ring home, and a message can be left at the office for a child if a parent needs to contact them. We don't have a problem with it.

rainbowtrout · 17-02-2019 4:31pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I have to say your very naive of you think they never take them out.
Our policy was was stricter than yere's and it was enforced but most people chanced it.

OK, let me rephrase so. It's extremely rare that a student will take out a mobile phone in class where there is a high chance of getting caught and getting it confiscated.

In the last three years since we've had this rule in the school I've confiscated 2 phones, both from students who were caught in class with them, both in the first year we brought in the rule. Our students sit and chat to each other on the corridors at break time/lunch time instead of staring at phones like zombies. That can only be a good thing.

Of course students have their phones with them. We are not stupid. But you cannot follow a student into a toilet cubicle to check if they are on their phone. We also don't have parents ringing the school demanding phones back. They know the rule is enforced and are on board with it as it's in the best interests of the students.

km79 · 17-02-2019 4:32pm

Blaizes wrote: »

Thank you Rainbow Trout I will do that.It's just hard to know from school to school.My own kids primary school is very strict and notes come home regularly reminding us that the children must not bring in mobile phones or devices but it seems to me that in some schools that it seems to be a grey area and I don't know if I am within my right to take the phones and leave on teacher desk till the end of class.Then as I have said if some children have e books on devices etc. It's just not easy to manage.

No child in primary school NEEDS a mobile phone
I don't understand parents some time .
I know there is peer pressure etc but parents need to be parents!
My oldest is doing his LC now. He got his first phone at Xmas of 1st year. A basic phone.
He got his first proper smart phone after his JC which was a hand me down from me when I upgraded.
My other lad is in 2nd class now . He will not be getting one until secondary school again.
I don't accept the argument children need them at that age for after sports matches /training etc
We managed before we can manage now .

We also have a strict policy and it is enforced.
If parents dont like the policy they have a choice of 2 other schools in the area......

Mobile phones and other electronic devices in school

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