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Cycling the grand canal

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    There's a roving group(s) around Dublin at the moment. I only saw another group being moved off yesterday by the council with photos being taken of the mess as they drove off. On the way past a couple of hours later I saw the council cleaning up all their ****. This is a regular spot and they **** it up every time they stop there. The place is destroyed, fencing etc damaged purposely by them, the cycle lanes in the area are now completely blocked by those big massive concrete blocks that has to be employed to prevent this, and yet they still manage to push some of them out of the way enough so that they can get back in again and destroy the place a week or two after the council, and therefore us, pay to clean it up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Hurrache wrote: »
    There's a roving group(s) around Dublin at the moment. I only saw another group being moved off yesterday by the council with photos being taken of the mess as they drove off. On the way past a couple of hours later I saw the council cleaning up all their ****. This is a regular spot and they **** it up every time they stop there. The place is destroyed, fencing etc damaged purposely by them, the cycle lanes in the area are now completely blocked by those big massive concrete blocks that has to be employed to prevent this, and yet they still manage to push some of them out of the way enough so that they can get back in again and destroy the place a week or two after the council, and therefore us, pay to clean it up.

    Are these people who have no homes, or people who decide to go on the vardo when the nice summer weather turns up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    They would appear to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Anyone know the purpose of the new drag strip/tarmac'd road across the green to the 11th lock? Theres already paved access across the same green a little further up so not sure what purpose this serves. Any one hear anything on the Hazelhatch section?


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭coward


    tnegun wrote: »
    Anyone know the purpose of the new drag strip/tarmac'd road across the green to the 11th lock? Theres already paved access across the same green a little further up so not sure what purpose this serves.

    A nicer, smoother access path for the lads with their scramblers? :D

    The only reference I found was from this article:
    ... Separately there will also be a new path from the Bawnogue Road to the Grand Canal path ...

    It is strange with the other access path so near. Though this new one looks nice and wide. The more nice access paths the better, I think. Encourage more walking, running and cycling on this route.

    You might have noticed the existing access gate was broken open last week. One morning it was wide open and bent out of shape. I read later that Gardai gave chase to some lads in a stolen car which ended up on the canal path next to the lock. Not sure if it was related to the gate smashed open - considering there is a wide opening nearby as the new access road is built.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/video-shows-3-people-lead-16539603


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    That looks like it alright, I was away last week so thought all debris around there was related to the new road. Hopefully its a positive thing but I think its completely unneeded the money could be spent on maintaining the existing paths/lights etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Was curious so I attempted the 4.5k from the 12th to Hazelhatch today definitely mountain bike only territory looks like the path was dug up to lay fibre and not reinstated properly and has been over grown. Which is a real pity as the surroundings are great and would make a much nicer route to the N4!


  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭feartheclaw


    Hi all. Looking at cycling the canal from Dublin to Shannon Harbour this weekend. I see above that "mountain bike only" is recommended for some sections. Would it be ok to do it on a hybrid? Or any other updates on the route much appreciated...
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    I'm heading west tomorrow on the Grand. I'll be on my tourer with 'trekking' tyres.


  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭feartheclaw


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    I'm heading west tomorrow on the Grand. I'll be on my tourer with 'trekking' tyres.

    Good luck and let us know how you get on!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    I'm heading west tomorrow on the Grand. I'll be on my tourer with 'trekking' tyres.

    You heading out from the city centre or picking it up later on? All this talk of cyclists getting attacked has put me off the city section and was thinking that the best starting point to avoid that nonsense is probably here but it makes it more of a trek to the start.

    No issue with trekking tyres and tourer I'd have thought unless, it's been raining heavily. Semi-slicks on the muddy bit make things quite tiring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    Riding out the Royal to Leixlip. Then cross country to pick up the Grand at Hazelhatch.

    I suspect the rain will keep the demons at bay.

    Biggest issue in the wet is my mudguards filling up and becoming brakes. One midwinter spin I had to clean out the mud with a spare spoke on a couple of occasions!


  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭feartheclaw


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    Riding out the Royal to Leixlip. Then cross country to pick up the Grand at Hazelhatch.

    I suspect the rain will keep the demons at bay.

    Biggest issue in the wet is my mudguards filling up and becoming brakes. One midwinter spin I had to clean out the mud with a spare spoke on a couple of occasions!

    Is it that bad this time of year? Any reports on the current ground conditions would be great...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Is it that bad this time of year? Any reports on the current ground conditions would be great...

    From my experience, not so much time of year as amount of rain over the past week or so. If its been dry you can ride it on most bikes quite quickly. It it's been wet, the mud can get very draggy in spots and your back wheel will have no traction on slick tyres. IMO, the CX bike with CX tyres is absolutely ideal for the canals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    T'was grand (and royal later). Got caught in one absolute downpour which took around 2 sec to go from dry to pissing down. Had a cape with me which took around 3 seconds to deploy and I carried on through the river that the road had become.

    Surfaces were fine, you'd have no bother on road slicks for the most part.

    The Royal on the way back was almost entirely paved/sanded. I had to bypass builder fences at Moyvalley and between Enfield and Kilcock.


  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭feartheclaw


    cdaly_ wrote: »
    T'was grand (and royal later). Got caught in one absolute downpour which took around 2 sec to go from dry to pissing down. Had a cape with me which took around 3 seconds to deploy and I carried on through the river that the road had become.

    Surfaces were fine, you'd have no bother on road slicks for the most part.

    The Royal on the way back was almost entirely paved/sanded. I had to bypass builder fences at Moyvalley and between Enfield and Kilcock.

    Thanks for the update. Sounds like you avoided the worst of the rain as there was a couple of big downpours - did you go beyond Hazelhatch on the Grand?
    Trying to get an idea whats its like further along. Hopefully going whole way to Shannon Harbour if anyone has any info on the rest of the route?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    I avoided the downpours while riding but I camped out overnight with a hammock and a tarp in the wind and rain without issue.

    I joined the Grand at Hazelhatch and went west as far as Tullamore. There are places where you're pedalling through grass but it's pretty much passable all the way. Wider tyres are a boon as well as lower gears.

    Best advice is try it and see how it goes. If necessary you can revert to road for some of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Hugo_Whoriskey


    Anyone had any issues on the grand from City centre as far as Hazelhatch? Planning on a spin this evening. I know there's the issue with the canal at suir Road right now, any anti social issues further along with the sunny weather?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Anyone had any issues on the grand from City centre as far as Hazelhatch? Planning on a spin this evening. I know there's the issue with the canal at suir Road right now, any anti social issues further along with the sunny weather?

    Personally I wouldn't cycle Ballyfermot to past ParkWest after about 7PM, that's what I tell my boss anyway :pac: , after 8 it would be like The Purge

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Hugo_Whoriskey


    silverharp wrote: »
    Personally I wouldn't cycle Ballyfermot to past ParkWest after about 7PM, that's what I tell my boss anyway :pac: , after 8 it would be like The Purge

    Would be going along there between 6.30 and 7. Bringing a mate for the first time and don't want to turn him off it so might just take a different route.

    Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Absolutely understand this but what a fupping crying shame and shame on our police force and local authorities that its not safe to use dedicated cycling infrastructure at 6.30 in the evening. For what its worth I travel this route daily and occasionally that late , personally have never had anything serious happen but witness antisocial behavior daily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Hugo_Whoriskey


    tnegun wrote: »
    Absolutely understand this but what a fupping crying shame and shame on our police force and local authorities that its not safe to use dedicated cycling infrastructure at 6.30 in the evening. For what its worth I travel this route daily and occasionally that late , personally have never had anything serious happen but witness antisocial behavior daily.

    It really is a shame, I usually cycle it on weekday mornings and even then will still see things going on. Could be such a great piece of cycling infrastructure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    tnegun wrote: »
    Anyone know the purpose of the new drag strip/tarmac'd road across the green to the 11th lock? Theres already paved access across the same green a little further up so not sure what purpose this serves.

    Spoke to a Waterways guy working on the canal today and the new road was installed to give the Gardai access at this point so that's a bonus I suppose!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    Anyone any recent intel on the following from tullamore to naas area:-

    Current surface (an online review from 2019 suggests grass either side of edenderry, i'll be on gravel bike but mate will be on road bike, i've done dublin to robertstown so know it's good from there to Sallins)

    Route marking (I assume it's the yellow man) and whether you are at risk of going down dead ends

    Somewhere good for lunch along the route (one review suggests larkins in edenderry, hopefully it's open for lunch on a sunday in covid)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    a148pro wrote: »
    Anyone any recent intel on the following from tullamore to naas area:-

    Current surface (an online review from 2019 suggests grass either side of edenderry, i'll be on gravel bike but mate will be on road bike, i've done dublin to robertstown so know it's good from there to Sallins)

    Route marking (I assume it's the yellow man) and whether you are at risk of going down dead ends

    Somewhere good for lunch along the route (one review suggests larkins in edenderry, hopefully it's open for lunch on a sunday in covid)

    Over the last few days I've done all of Lowtown to Edenderry on a CX bike, surface is fine for most of it if a bit bumpy in places but parts of it are going to be hairy on a road bike with skinny tyres, mostly grass but rough tarmak with big potholes in places, the sections either side of the skew bridge outside Allenwood have some quite rutted grass paths.

    Navigation is simple, keep to the north bank, take the spur into Edenderry for your lunch (lovely tarmac there). With covid restrictions it's hard to know where will be open, Eden Deli just at the roundabout at the harbour is grand, there's a big Centra with good deli and a supermacs on the Dublin side of town if you're stuck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    That's great, road bike now gonzo so only my tummy to look after, will settle for supermacs if need be, hopefully not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Just thinking, almost all of Tullamore-Ballycommon-Daingean is tarmac (of the grass down the middle type) apart from the first bit out of town.

    The golf club at Castle Barna has closed, that was always a good spot for grub, I'm not sure if it's under new management or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Royal canal towpath has much better surface

    Enjoy your cycle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    Royal canal towpath has much better surface

    Enjoy your cycle

    Yeah I just have to get this bit done then will move on to the royal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    Still a lot of green on this route, cx bike minimum needed. I did it on gravel bike with 37s which ate the route. In fact, of all the cycling I do on the gravel bike, it's this kind of stuff it's most useful on, your average fire road or forest trail is doable on road bike. But this kind of bumpy grassy route would not be fun, but you can tear along on 37s. Eats it up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    a148pro wrote: »
    Still a lot of green on this route, cx bike minimum needed. I did it on gravel bike with 37s which ate the route. In fact, of all the cycling I do on the gravel bike, it's this kind of stuff it's most useful on, your average fire road or forest trail is doable on road bike. But this kind of bumpy grassy route would not be fun, but you can tear along on 37s. Eats it up.

    Just because I'm curious, did you manage to find somewhere for lunch in Edenderry afterwards?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    I arrived too early - 10.50, I couldn't find larkins but the lads in the spar made me a perfectly good roll with sausages and surprisingly good coffee - Seattle's best per the blurb

    I don't know why I wasted time talking about tyre size when the only thing which really matters is the eating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Did this today. Out to Robertstown. Had planned to go further but was getting tired at that point, and still had to get back to Dublin!

    Way more green than I'd thought. Most was grand bar that 5km from lock 12 to Mcevoys. Was just slow sucky slidey slimey mud.

    Cx with 32s was flying along lost of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭blueballfc


    nilhg wrote: »
    Just thinking, almost all of Tullamore-Ballycommon-Daingean is tarmac (of the grass down the middle type) apart from the first bit out of town.

    The golf club at Castle Barna has closed, that was always a good spot for grub, I'm not sure if it's under new management or not.

    Good news on grand canal from Offaly CC.
    https://www.offaly.ie/eng/News/Greenway-Extension-Daingean-to-Edenderry-Press-Release-Oct-15th.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    Is the grand canal doable on a road bike with 28 tires from Edenderry onward? What's the surface like from there?

    Have a route done up to do the two canals together and wondering would it be feasible on my winter bike

    https://www.strava.com/routes/2765266568279804378


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 ninoon


    Edenderry to Daingean is not doable on a road bike but it has recently been announced that upgrade work will commence in Jan 21.


  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭mazza


    I did Roberstown to Shannon Harbour during the Summer.

    From memory the bit after Edenderry was extremely rough. Just long grass with a narrow rutted track. I remember it was about 10km of what we called "The Field"

    I was on full MTB tyres and was ok, but my friend on gravel bike with maybe 28s or 30s had an extremely hard time on that stretch. Its mixed overalls, some ok surfaces, some other rough, muddy.

    As per above, I wouldn't fancy it at all on a road bike...

    The Royal and Grand are very different propositions...


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭CormacH94


    ninoon wrote: »
    Edenderry to Daingean is not doable on a road bike but it has recently been announced that upgrade work will commence in Jan 21.


    Planning to do it next summer/early September so I'd hope that the upgrade work would be done at that point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    CormacH94 wrote: »
    Planning to do it next summer/early September so I'd hope that the upgrade work would be done at that point?


    Based on the length of time it took to finish a few sections of the Royal a couple of years ago, your question mark is spot on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Based on the length of time it took to finish a few sections of the Royal a couple of years ago, your question mark is spot on!

    An awful lot depends on the existing condition of the towpath, if it's decent they make good progress but if it's unlevel and drainage is an issue then it can take ages, you have to remember access is poor and space non existent.

    I'm watching the contractors doing the Barrow Blueway close to home here and they seem to be making decent progress, two crews working from either end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭cletus


    nilhg wrote: »
    An awful lot depends on the existing condition of the towpath, if it's decent they make good progress but if it's unlevel and drainage is an issue then it can take ages, you have to remember access is poor and space non existent.

    I'm watching the contractors doing the Barrow Blueway close to home here and they seem to be making decent progress, two crews working from either end.

    I haven't been down on the canal in a while. How far have they progressed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    cletus wrote: »
    I haven't been down on the canal in a while. How far have they progressed?

    I think they're just about ready to put the final layer of quarry dust on to the section they dug out, from just past Glenaree lock to Ballyteague castle, that should be ready and open befroe Xmas, the remaining bit up to the lock was hardcore already, AFAIK that will get another course of 804 then the final course, no digging required.

    Worth a spin down the canal bank to have a look, that side of the town is in much better condition than heading for Monasterevin.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭wanderer 22


    Cool video of a bike ride along the Grand Canal - from the beginning to near Ardclough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Qf1gOXVBo&ab_channel=Lo%C3%AFcVirtualBikeRideIreland


  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    colm18 wrote: »
    Cool video of a bike ride along the Grand Canal - from the beginning to near Ardclough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Qf1gOXVBo&ab_channel=Lo%C3%AFcVirtualBikeRideIreland

    Thanks for this. I did a bit of this with the kids during the summer, Clogher road out towards Adamstown and back. I recall cycling ahead to scare off the rats around Dolphins Barn area :D

    Bit of a strange choice by this guy at Portobello to head out on the pavement, probably wanted to keep the canel in sight I guess. I really shouldn't have laughed at 24:20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭a148pro


    duffer247 wrote: »
    I really shouldn't have laughed at 24:20

    I live near that any many's the time I've pushed a bike with a kid on it up that! It does get muddy however. The key is to use the brakes to hold the bike as you push it up, he may have been on drop bars where it wasn't so easy.

    For anyone watching looking for some lockdown (or more realistically, staycation inspiration) you can cycle from the start of this route all the way to either the Shannon or St Mullins in the South East close to the end of the Barrow river, almost entirely away from roads. Pretty amazing asset for a cyclist to have. Plenty of info on threads on here about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭Magzire


    I was going to commute from lucan to parkwest for work but way to much scum on my first go.
    Anyone see many issues?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭TooObvious


    If the sun is out the scum will be out. I cycled from Kill to Town loads on the Grand Canal, the stretch in question has always had it's fair share of locals using it, but I never had any issues or felt particularly threatened. During summer it will be busy with youths swimming in the canal, as well as a few drug users in the ditch, but it's also used by regular folk out for a walk. I think it's relatively safe.

    Watch out for punctures on broken glass, and the red bridge at Lucan is lethal in the wet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Magzire wrote: »
    I was going to commute from lucan to parkwest for work but way to much scum on my first go.
    Anyone see many issues?

    Not sure exactly where you're coming from but you might be better off using the bike/bus lane along Kishogue Community College, bit tight going up Ninth Lock but bus lane again from Lidl all the way up to Park West so you shouldn't have too much trouble with traffic.

    Between the pedestrian gates, traffic light crossing, glass/debris and people the canal isn't any more convenient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    So I had to go from Portobello to Lucan and back today, and I decided I'd chance the canal path and just keep my wits about me. Sunny Saturday afternoon. Apart from 4 young lads enjoying a joint and minding their own business, there wasn't a sign of anything remotely antisocial. The path was in great condition, no broken glass. Two kissing gates, I think. Most of them had a gap you could just lift the bike through, others were wide enough to allow you to cycle through. Tons of people cycling, walking dogs, families out with kids, it was gorgeous! And quieter than the Royal which meant I could actually do 30km/h + for the most part, and annoy no one. The traffic crossings could do with having the wait time shortened for pedestrians/cyclists, but it was a minor issue.

    Did I just get lucky, or has something been done to tackle the fabled antisocial behaviour?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Breezer wrote: »
    So I had to go from Portobello to Lucan and back today, and I decided I'd chance the canal path and just keep my wits about me. Sunny Saturday afternoon. Apart from 4 young lads enjoying a joint and minding their own business, there wasn't a sign of anything remotely antisocial. The path was in great condition, no broken glass. Two kissing gates, I think. Most of them had a gap you could just lift the bike through, others were wide enough to allow you to cycle through. Tons of people cycling, walking dogs, families out with kids, it was gorgeous! And quieter than the Royal which meant I could actually do 30km/h + for the most part, and annoy no one. The traffic crossings could do with having the wait time shortened for pedestrians/cyclists, but it was a minor issue.

    Did I just get lucky, or has something been done to tackle the fabled antisocial behaviour?

    I wouldnt have a problem using it before 6pm, like you said there is enough people using it

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