The Jimbo Slice memorial thread, feat Nate Dogg - The new Off Topic thread

Alf Veedersane · 12-02-2019 12:13pm

Mellor wrote: »

I was talking about in relation to training.
It's easy, but I feel it neglects some, and bias others.

As by defining it as three elements (as opposed to two types broadly broken into max and endurance) that 2 of the 3 are essentially giving more importance to crush at the expensive of pinch?

Framed like that it makes sense.

In and of itself though I just prefer the use of support/crush because they sound more like what it is.

As an aside, I don't really train pinch strength, aside from carrying bumpers to the bar...

Mellor · 12-02-2019 1:44pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

As by defining it as three elements (as opposed to two types broadly broken into max and endurance) that 2 of the 3 are essentially giving more importance to crush at the expensive of pinch?

Framed like that it makes sense.

In and of itself though I just prefer the use of support/crush because they sound more like what it is.

As an aside, I don't really train pinch strength, aside from carrying bumpers to the bar...

Kinda.
Crush (finger dominant) gets biased over pinch (thumb dominant). But it encourages certain crush over another.
"Support" tends toward on closed hand endurance. Then "crush" tends to be reduced to grippers - which have little carry over to other moves.
I like to do open hand crush too (like fat bar). Open hand involves the thumb more, which reduces the crush bias. Fat bars also replicate grabbing wrists/arms.

I just try and do a mix of types in my limited time, at heavy and endurance loads. You couldn't cover all varibles unless you are a grip sort competitor.

13-02-2019 12:58pm

With this vat thing coming up, i decided to order again from bulkpowders to stock up a bit. i thought i would throw up a post about it in case anyone is interested and/or maybe has some more tips.
I got a vitamins powder. I have vitamins but never take them. but i do take shakes the odd time. soo.

I also decided to try soya powder protein. I really love my soya high protein yogurt and would happily live off it so i figured it was worth a try. I also read some advice online to get the raspberry liquiflav thing as well since the soya is unflavoured.
It's very very thick (i mix all these with water). The beef protein is so light it goes foamy when in the blender but this stuff is super thick. It's also a little bit grainy, just a bit. The liquiflav thing definitely helped a lot though i wasn't brave enough to try it before adding.
So beef protein is still winning the game but I will definitely try the soya some more and see if i get used to it (unlike the rice protein which went straight into the bin)

I also tried a drop of the flav on some yogurt, it's very very strong!

Alf Veedersane · 13-02-2019 2:37pm

I did think about getting some in to beat the VAT and but if I'm checking the expiry dates to see if I need to or not, it's not going to be a big deal.

caviardreams · 13-02-2019 8:48pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I did think about getting some in to beat the VAT and but if I'm checking the expiry dates to see if I need to or not, it's not going to be a big deal.

I thought there was already vat on whey / protein bars etc? And it was just vitamins that had escaped up until now? God I better get a few things in if not!

Alf Veedersane · 13-02-2019 9:22pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I thought there was already vat on whey / protein bars etc? And it was just vitamins that had escaped up until now? God I better get a few things in if not!

Yeah mostly vitamins. Whey already subject to 23%

Must check the expiry on the whey and fine oats though. Had to throw 90% of a bag of creatine out the other week. Past it and...solid

13-02-2019 9:59pm

I thought vitargo and protein had escaped til now haha

rubadub · 13-02-2019 10:19pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Whey already subject to 23%

I said many years ago (and very recently in bargain alerts) if there is a photo of a muscular man on the front it is 23%, a photo a a skinny baker and it is zero. Some seemed to laugh this off or say it is not true or feasible. This was back when the likes of myprotein started charging 23% and having a .ie site. Pure whey powder with no other stuff can be sold as an ingredient/foodstuff.

I found this on revenue which seems to agree with my idea/understanding (I am pretty sure years ago I did find one clearly saying if it was bought as an ingredient it was zero)

https://www.revenue.ie/ga/vat/documents/report-on-the-definition-of-food.pdf

Currently sports products can be classed as foods or food supplements. Supplements should be clearly
identifiable from the product label (dosage/presentation) and if originating from the US through use
of a ‘Supplements Facts’ box on the label. Foods for sports people are also clearly identifiable through
their form and presentation e.g. isotonic sports drinks, milks or chocolate bars with added protein. For
protein powders (e.g. whey, casein, soy or pea), unless clearly listed as a supplement on-pack they may
be deemed a food. This situation arises as a result of the repositioning of sports food as regular food
in law and their increasing use or normalisation as an everyday and normal product by the general
population. Additional consideration to what is considered here may be required if desired to classify
all products for sports persons collectively.

FOOD SUPPLEMENTS ( Food and Drink )
Rate
Zero rated: 0%

Remarks
Zero rate only applies to Food Supplements type products where those products forms part of a personal normal diet for the purposes of sustenance being vitamins (excluding high vitamins drinks), minerals and fish oil products. However, eBrief 70/2011 led to certain Food Supplements types/ranges of products being liable to VAT at the Standard rate. These included food supplements such as milk/whey/protein based products, marketed as supporting lean muscle growth, performance and recovery and ergogenic aids for body building etc. Also included are products that contain vitamins, minerals, food ingredients etc. but whose purpose is other than for sustenance for example skin/hair/nail/eye improvement products, detox, antioxidant, immune, digestive, joint support, cholesterol etc. This list is not exhaustive. Please see eBrief 70/11 and eBrief 45/13. .

Value-Added Tax Consolidation Act 2010 (VATCA 2010) Ref
Section: 46(1)(b) Schedule: 2 Paragraph: 8(1)

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/historic-material/ebrief/2011/no-702011.aspx

similar to glucose
https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/G/glucose-food-and-drink-.aspx

GLUCOSE ( Food and Drink )
Rate
Zero rated: 0%

Value-Added Tax Consolidation Act 2010 (VATCA 2010) Ref
Section: 46(1)(b) Schedule: 2 Paragraph: 8(1)

Published: 03 August 2018

add water and its 23%

GLUCOSE DRINK
Rate
Standard rate: 23%

Value-Added Tax Consolidation Act 2010 (VATCA 2010) Ref
Section: 46(1)(a)

Published: 03 August 2018

I also think in the past they used to list dry glucose tablets or supplements as 23%

caviardreams · 13-02-2019 10:39pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I thought vitargo and protein had escaped til now haha

Yeah the way all the supplement stores were going on about it doing petitions etc. I thought it was going to affect everything, but when I looked into it it seemed a lot of supplement stuff already has VAT applied.

Alf Veedersane · 15-02-2019 12:13pm

Flash sale on Adidas website.

https://www.adidas.ie/outlet

Powerlifts for €50 and PP3s for €65.

somesoldiers · 15-02-2019 2:26pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Flash sale on Adidas website.

https://www.adidas.ie/outlet

Powerlifts for €50 and PP3s for €65.

wow- have mine but will tell a mate I know was looking to get a pair

silverharp · 15-02-2019 2:38pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yep, exactly. Holding plates is probablythe most straightforward way.

And crush strength would be trained using those handles that look like the spring collars for holding plates on in the gym.

do you have a pic of the latter, I cant picture them? I did the pinch grip with a 10kg plate last night, only 30 seconds each hand but will give me something to build on going forward. will alternate with the barbell next.
I'm guessing with fat grips you bring your own?

Alf Veedersane · 15-02-2019 3:24pm

silverharp wrote: »

do you have a pic of the latter, I cant picture them? I did the pinch grip with a 10kg plate last night, only 30 seconds each hand but will give me something to build on going forward. will alternate with the barbell next.
I'm guessing with fat grips you bring your own?

You won't find those in the gym. I was just referencing what they look like.

You can buy the Captains of Crush ones on Strengthshop.ie for about €30 a piece.

silverharp · 15-02-2019 3:44pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You won't find those in the gym. I was just referencing what they look like.

You can buy the Captains of Crush ones on Strengthshop.ie for about €30 a piece.

ok I thought you might have been taking about something you hold onto that you can add weights to. I have something similar to those grippers at home. Was watching a vid y/day and the guy was saying that the hand grippers while good are the least transferable to other activities, so I guess doing a variety is good

caviardreams · 15-02-2019 3:46pm

Or in my case as my grip is so weak I actually could use the barbell clips to work my grip :-(

silverharp · 15-02-2019 3:52pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Or in my case as my grip is so weak I actually could use the barbell clips to work my grip :-(

they deffo make those things too small :pac:

Alf Veedersane · 15-02-2019 5:44pm

I just crush my enemies.

silverharp · 16-02-2019 11:28am

this is what i was thinking of, are these tucked away in gyms? or not a common thing to see?

https://twitter.com/ironmind/status/1096160773850558464

Mellor · 16-02-2019 11:50am

That's a hub. Very unlikely to find one of them in the gym. Unless it caters for strongman and gripsports specifically. The hub is a pinch grip. The crush equivalent would be the rolling thunder. Also hard to find.

An alternative would be landmine/torsonator rows while holding the barbell sleeve. Should be doable in most gyms.

https://twitter.com/ironmind/status/1088188493346394113

caviardreams · 02-03-2019 2:38pm

One for the girls here, is it just me or is lifting during the 2nd week so your cycle just so much easier - always a great time for attempting PBs / high volume stuff I find. And then the deflation a week or two later when you can barely lift half of it

:o:mad::mad::(:( And repeat all over again.

Ugh. Hormones.

Alf Veedersane · 02-03-2019 3:02pm

caviardreams wrote: »

One for the girls here, is it just me or is lifting during the 2nd week so your cycle just so much easier - always a great time for attempting PBs / high volume stuff I find. And then the deflation a week or two later when you can barely lift half of it :o:mad::mad::(:( And repeat all over again.

Ugh. Hormones.

Think that's widely accepted...that you would peak about day 14 and then for the next two weeks it's all much harder.

Blacktie. · 02-03-2019 3:05pm

That must make comps a bit of a pain for women.

Alf Veedersane · 02-03-2019 3:12pm

Blacktie. wrote: »

That must make comps a bit of a pain for women.

Even just making weight would be a pain in the hole what with fluctuations in fluid retention

Alf Veedersane · 02-03-2019 3:21pm

Meanwhile, Thor must be ovulating about now...

Dtp1979 · 02-03-2019 3:35pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Meanwhile, Thor must be ovulating about now...

Looked like he had another 20kg in him too. Impressive stuff

Alf Veedersane · 02-03-2019 4:22pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Looked like he had another 20kg in him too. Impressive stuff

He went for another 29kg and go it to below his knees.

Dtp1979 · 02-03-2019 7:02pm

Alf Veedersane · 02-03-2019 9:34pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

A

...1, Sharon?

whippet · 03-03-2019 1:02pm

So Williams squats 490 in sleeves .. CC Holocom reps a 600lb pull .. I feel so insignificant.

I reckon I need to take a trip to Ohio next year to have a look !

caviardreams · 15-03-2019 4:08pm

Interesting article on the new perpetua gym opening in the "windmill quarter" (really, is windmill quarter an actual thing?)

It's from the independent, sorry.

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/first-look-we-want-to-make-rock-stars-out-of-our-instructors-2m-new-yorkstyle-boutique-gym-opens-in-dublin-37916415.html

will56 · 15-03-2019 4:19pm

caviardreams wrote: »

Interesting article on the new perpetua gym opening in the "windmill quarter" (really, is windmill quarter an actual thing?)

It's from the independent, sorry.

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/first-look-we-want-to-make-rock-stars-out-of-our-instructors-2m-new-yorkstyle-boutique-gym-opens-in-dublin-37916415.html

Seen this earlier and took it as an advertising piece for Perpetua, marketing their semi private gym as if they've just invented that model ??

Alf Veedersane · 15-03-2019 4:54pm

I got as far as the first 2-line paragraph and had read 'windmill quarter' and 'boutique gym'.

caviardreams · 15-03-2019 7:47pm

will56 wrote: »

Seen this earlier and took it as an advertising piece for Perpetua, marketing their semi private gym as if they've just invented that model ??

It's now a normal gym, so not just a crossfit facility. Price-wise it's on a par with the likes of David Lloyd but without the "country club" type feel I guess. Interesting to see how it does I guess as it's a bit of a different product than a lot of commercial gyms though close enough to the likes of westwood I'd have thought.

Blacktie. · 15-03-2019 8:08pm

I know nobody here dare of leaving stuff in an unlocked locker but just be aware that the Liffey Valley Flyefit gym has had stuff go missing for people who have left unattended bags in unlocked lockers.

Alf Veedersane · 15-03-2019 9:31pm

30% off Powerlift 4s on Adidas website. €100 down to €70

caviardreams · 15-03-2019 9:45pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

30% off Powerlift 4s on Adidas website. €100 down to €70

I see they have more of a textile upper now from the looks of it. Interesting. The grey, khaki and pink ones are lovely.

ALso an extra 20% off outlet stuff through the app only

caviardreams · 23-03-2019 8:53pm

I see cadbury are now doing a "protein" version of boost with peanut (extending the normal boost protein version) - I presume this is the same as the beloved starbar?

https://www.talkingretail.com/products-news/confectionery/cadbury-extends-boost-portfolio-peanut-protein-variant-01-03-2019/

12g of protein - normal one has 5g - you would want to be mad to not just have a normal one imo.

Alf Veedersane · 23-03-2019 11:31pm

You could write 'protein' on a turd and there would be fúcktards that would buy it.

bladespin · 24-03-2019 12:52pm

But a 'protein' Starbar - the stuff of dreams!

D'Agger · 24-03-2019 2:17pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You could write 'protein' on a turd and there would be fúcktards that would buy it.

Don't forget to charge upwards of €2.50 for it

24-03-2019 2:20pm

I'll stick with the orange fulfil the odd time. They are lovely

Brian? · 24-03-2019 2:53pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I'll stick with the orange fulfil the odd time. They are lovely

Them yokes are unreal.

Alf Veedersane · 24-03-2019 3:36pm

bladespin wrote: »

But a 'protein' Starbar - the stuff of dreams!

I can't help but think they've messed with a winning formula to get protein in it.

Alf Veedersane · 24-03-2019 3:37pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I'll stick with the orange fulfil the odd time. They are lovely

I've had a couple and the only one I'd have again - because it tastes like a nice bar in and of itself - is hazelnut whip.

caviardreams · 24-03-2019 6:43pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I've had a couple and the only one I'd have again - because it tastes like a nice bar in and of itself - is hazelnut whip.

The Hazelnut whip is the best by a mile imo. Ferrero-rocher-esque
Really annoys me that they just pump them full of collagen to get the protein content up though

Tried one of these a while back and they are lovely - nicer than Reese's imo as they are less sweet and peanut butter is the biggest ingredient in them
https://www.nutrynuts.co.uk/

Alf Veedersane · 24-03-2019 6:52pm

Mmmmm...hazelnut flavoured collagen

DylanJM · 24-03-2019 7:50pm

Hazelnut one is good but the salted caramel is king imo.

caviardreams · 24-03-2019 8:42pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Mmmmm...hazelnut flavoured collagen

Not to mention the glowing skin!!

whippet · 25-03-2019 10:14am

A new all time Irish record for a raw (with wraps) powerlifting total .. Jesse Moran managed a 900kg total at 103kg body weight .. 541 Wilks ... he takes Nero’s long standing record.

That was at IPO nationals in limerick on Saturday .. 340kg squat .. 210kg bench and 350 deadlift !

Deano7788 · 25-03-2019 10:46am

whippet wrote: »

A new all time Irish record for a raw (with wraps) powerlifting total .. Jesse Moran managed a 900kg total at 103kg body weight .. 541 Wilks ... he takes Nero’s long standing record.

That was at IPO nationals in limerick on Saturday .. 340kg squat .. 200kg bench and 350 deadlift !

210kg bench

Was there supporting a couple of friends. The 340kg squat in particular was insane, looked like he was going to fail 3 or 4 times but kept powering through.

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