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    #92
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    I couldn't bid at them such is ringside politics.. Game of thrones has nothing on it! Really good square friesians yearlings are bringing 2 eur a kg but tis surprising what you'd pick up ��


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    #93
    CloughCasey1
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    I couldn't bid at them such is ringside politics.. Game of thrones has nothing on it! Really good square friesians yearlings are bringing 2 eur a kg but tis surprising what you'd pick up ��

    That's too dear . best time is late lots when the truckers have made their quota for the day. Ya can't be buying friesians too dear as they will be hit the most in a drop of price.


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    #94
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    BB X Sm bull dob Jan2009 1070kg made €2520.


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    #95
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Muckit wrote: »
    BB X Sm bull dob Jan2009 1070kg made €2520.

    Was he bought for beef or breeding?


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    #96
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Neither. Bought as a pet.

    Not being smart, but how the f**k would l know!! If I had him and cows good enough, l'd be breeding from him. Best bull l've seen in a long time. Very correct in the feet and great width every which way.


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    #97
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Muckit wrote: »
    Neither. Bought as a pet.

    Not being smart, but how the f**k would l know!! If I had him and cows good enough, l'd be breeding from him. Best bull l've seen in a long time. Very correct in the feet and great width every which way.

    Expensive pet

    Thought he was your own amimal.


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    #98
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    ^
    Had one with same breeding that bulled a few heifers when he was ten months old. Best ppkg calves we had the following year! The sim gave them height and length and the blue gave the muscle.


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    #99
    AP2014
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    I presume this fella is on drugs and no one would pay anywhere near €1050 for these kinda cattle:

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/14-lovely-herdford-bullucks/9469879?offset=13

    These would be my sort of cattle if I wasn't already stocked up. Seem very reasonably priced.

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/12-bullocks-for-sale/9468153?offset=3

    These look like great friesians for their age. Would you buy Pudsey?

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/6-friesian-bullockand-1-aax/9466536?offset=6


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    #100
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    I presume this fella is on drugs and no one would pay anywhere near €1050 for these kinda cattle:

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/14-lovely-herdford-bullucks/9469879?offset=13

    These would be my sort of cattle if I wasn't already stocked up. Seem very reasonably priced.

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/12-bullocks-for-sale/9468153?offset=3

    These look like great friesians for their age. Would you buy Pudsey?

    http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/6-friesian-bullockand-1-aax/9466536?offset=6

    At the present mart trade you could see anything getting any amount of money. Marts are small and full of farmer buyers. Big square well fleshed 2013 friesians 680kg unsold at 1270 in kilkenny yesterday .yet stores same age 530kgs bringing 1180. The factory buys with pennies. The farmer buys with pounds. But yes there's apparent value in two of those ads in fairness. Roscommon man is a dealer I'd say though.


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    #101
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    At the present mart trade you could see anything getting any amount of money. Marts are small and full of farmer buyers. Big square well fleshed 2013 friesians 680kg unsold at 1270 in kilkenny yesterday .yet stores same age 530kgs bringing 1180. The factory buys with pennies. The farmer buys with pounds. But yes there's apparent value in two of those ads in fairness. Roscommon man is a dealer I'd say though.

    I bought ones like the Roscommon lads there for €800 in March, not great quality. Had the vet TB testing 2 weeks ago and he said I would be giving €950 for them then, 6 weeks later. Madness.

    Hopefully the craziness lasts until November, March and November are the two months prices matter to me.


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    #102
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    I bought ones like the Roscommon lads there for €800 in March, not great quality. Had the vet TB testing 2 weeks ago and he said I would be giving €950 for them then, 6 weeks later. Madness.

    Hopefully the craziness lasts until November, March and November are the two months prices matter to me.

    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.


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    #103
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Willfarman wrote: »
    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.

    Bullock kill is up 16% compared to this time last year. There was 100K more cattle that age around last year. 2-3 year old cattle will get very scarse as the year goes on. The kill is very high considering the cow kill is way down by 33% and bulls 50% year to date.


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    #104
    AP2014
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Bullock kill is up 16% compared to this time last year. There was 100K more cattle that age around last year. 2-3 year old cattle will get very scarse as the year goes on. The kill is very high considering the cow kill is way down by 33% and bulls 50% year to date.

    I have 5 or 6 to squeeze yet, would I be as well off leave them? Would they be hard sold in November?


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    #105
    Willfarman
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    A lot more customers for bullocks usually.


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    #106
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Willfarman wrote: »
    I think it will be a lot dearer this November than last anyway that's all I can say. 2014 bullocks are genuinely scarce I think.

    Hopefully anyway. There is still some value to be got but it's more to do with luck than trend. The big glut or reared calves this year due to the quota wasn't as big as forecasted either.


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    #107
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    CloughCasey1 wrote: »
    Hopefully anyway. There is still some value to be got but it's more to do with luck than trend. The big glut or reared calves this year due to the quota wasn't as big as forecasted either.

    there was still 100K more calves born than last year. As well exports are back about 30K I think. 2017 is looking fairly sh!tty


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    #108
    Hershall
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    there was still 100K more calves born than last year. As well exports are back about 30K I think. 2017 is looking fairly sh!tty

    Id say last year was mild compared to what factories will do in 2017.


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    #109
    Cavanjack
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    What is the trade like for heavy weanling bulls (>400kg)? Don't be at too many marts but see on journal heavy lads seem to be better value per kg than lighter ones. Would buying these type to kill this time next year leave a few pound?


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    #110
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    What is the trade like for heavy weanling bulls (>400kg)? Don't be at too many marts but see on journal heavy lads seem to be better value per kg than lighter ones. Would buying these type to kill this time next year leave a few pound?

    Any animal will leave a few pounds or even euro's provided you do not pay too much for them.


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    #111
    Willfarman
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    The good qaulity Bulls would be a good punt if you have finances and facilities. They wouldn't have near the lift in price that the plainer middle of the road Bulls have got. 350kg at 1000 be potentially 470kg carcass Bulls worth 2000 this time next year. Qaulity and age are of upmost importance.


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    #112
    Farmer Pudsey
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    The good qaulity Bulls would be a good punt if you have finances and facilities. They wouldn't have near the lift in price that the plainer middle of the road Bulls have got. 350kg at 1100 be potentially 470kg carcass Bulls worth 2000 this time next year. Qaulity and age are of upmost importance.

    Do not think you would be paying much more (if anything) for a bull a 100kgs heavier. I be more inclined to buy them and finish for Dec/Jan. A bull killing 470kgs will be near enough or over 800kgs LW. Yoyu have to put 450+kgs LW on them. Price for Dec/Jan are often as good as May price. Bull may only kill 400 kgs but you are only putting on 250kgs. Always found that the most money out of shed cattle was made on Dec/Jan Cattle.


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    #113
    Willfarman
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    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Do not think you would be paying much more (if anything) for a bull a 100kgs heavier. I be more inclined to buy them and finish for Dec/Jan. A bull killing 470kgs will be near enough or over 800kgs LW. Yoyu have to put 450+kgs LW on them. Price for Dec/Jan are often as good as May price. Bull may only kill 400 kgs but you are only putting on 250kgs. Always found that the most money out of shed cattle was made on Dec/Jan Cattle.

    Hard to graze them big boys though and near impossible to buy them and group them without em murdering one another. The boys that you can graze till September put up a Lor o weight very cheap. I seen Bulls under 16 mths dying o 450 to 490 kg deadweight. Homebred lims out of humongous char and lim cows but you would pick up similar qaulity in marts.

    But i do agree that dec jan cattle leave the most money a lot of years


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    #114
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    I will try note a few prices in mart today if the type are in it and be interesting get you to do up detailed budget see would they work out.


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    #115
    Cavanjack
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    I will try note a few prices in mart today if the type are in it and be interesting get you to do up detailed budget see would they work out.
    Would be interested in what yourself or Pudsey would estimate it would cost to carry the heavier lads to finish and would there be a margin. Was thinking of chancing a dozen or so of them to see how they would fare out. Usually keep bucket reared stock here so wouldn't know what sort of weight gain I could get off these over a year.


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    #116
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Would be interested in what yourself or Pudsey would estimate it would cost to carry the heavier lads to finish and would there be a margin. Was thinking of chancing a dozen or so of them to see how they would fare out. Usually keep bucket reared stock here so wouldn't know what sort of weight gain I could get off these over a year.

    It all depends on what you pay for ration and how you value silage. You would have to try to buy them as a bunch off the land or over one day in a mart as they can be less likly to fight after a spin. If bought 1st june 120 days at grass at 50c/day. 120 kgs of ration over last 6 weeks at grass. Housed October 1st. 110 day to finish feeding ad lib good silage and 1.2 tons of ration. Dosing, mart, factory fees, vet, possible losses(15-20/head average) transport. around 450 euro.


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    #117
    Willfarman
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    April 13 decant red lim Bulls 6 of. Sold singly. 435kg to 455kg one buyer from Midlands factory. 1050ish one with the other. Only comparable smaller Bulls belonged to a dealer. Top qaulity charolais. Certain u grade Imo. October 14 born. 310 kgGroup of 6 in his herd 4 days all out of same herd. Unsold but was trying to find a victim at 920+.. If you could buy them where he bought them!!


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    #118
    Willfarman
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    The heavier lads would have to come off grass early September at latest unless you meet an extremely dry time and meal feed them meal outdoors. A formidable task. 100 days grass. €50. Transport commission and a dose €25. 3 months good silage and avg 7kg meal @ €2.20 a day.€200. 70 days intensive meal @ 3.75 day €262. Won't talk about broken legs pissers or losses!! € 537+ cost€1050 stand you € 1587

    750kgs live weight? Kill out at 57% 430kgs carcass early February. 4.20€ a kg be €1800ish.

    Yearling bullocks returned to mart in autumn leave the same turn minus the hassle??


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    #119
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    The heavier lads would have to come off grass early September at latest unless you meet an extremely dry time and meal feed them meal outdoors. A formidable task. 100 days grass. €50. Transport commission and a dose €25. 3 months good silage and avg 7kg meal @ €2.20 a day.€200. 70 days intensive meal @ 3.75 day €262. Won't talk about broken legs pissers or losses!! € 537+ cost€1050 stand you € 1587

    750kgs live weight? Kill out at 57% 430kgs carcass early February. 4.20€ a kg be €1800ish.

    Yearling bullocks returned to mart in autumn leave the same turn minus the hassle??

    I'll let ya know in November. I have 20 bought at €800 and 5 at €850. Took me a while to get them and few very average ones.


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    #120
    Willfarman
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    AP2014 wrote: »
    I'll let ya know in November. I have 20 bought at €800 and 5 at €850. Took me a while to get them and few very average ones.

    What weights?


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    #121
    AP2014
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    Willfarman wrote: »
    What weights?

    Don't have exact weights but they were very light bullocks around 280kg...5 were around the 320kg and cost the 850. All very average cattle.


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