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    #122
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Nah, problem is it simply isn't an option, in many cases, in some EU states.

    ? It isn't an option, can you name the countries where you can't use physical cash anymore?


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    #123
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    in what eu states is this not an option?

    In Sweden, more than half the country’s 1,600 bank branches now don’t accept deposits or allow withdrawals.

    So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

    Many Cafes there are also going this way, there is no legal enforcement that states they must take cash, they just put a sign in the front door/window. You are free to swipe your RFID implanted hand however in many of these cafes.

    Welcome to 2020 everyone!


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    #124
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

    So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

    Ah so if someone said physical cash is an option in Sweden, they'd be correct. I mean you can still use physical cash in Sweden correct? just less so that before. Like pretty much everywhere.


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    #125
    [Deleted User]
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    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    In Sweden, more than half the country’s 1,600 bank branches now don’t accept deposits or allow withdrawals.

    So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

    Many Cafes there are also going this way, there is no legal enforcement that states they must take cash, they just put a sign in the front door/window. You are free to swipe your RFID implanted hand however in many of these cafes.

    Welcome to 2020 everyone!

    I'm imagining all those banks have atms, can't recall last time I withdrew physical cash from within a bank branch. In terms of cafes no longer taking cash, that's their perogative. The rfid thing implants in skin is more a fad among a couple of thousand people. Happy to do my payments via my phone or watch as I imagine most are. So cash is still present, just many choose not to use it any more.

    You'll also find places like Germany have incredibly high levels of cash usage still.


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    #126
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    just less so that before.

    Greatly less so than before, 10yrs ago 100% of the time consumers there you could bank, and shop with cash.

    Today the 'Majority' (more than 50%) of bank branches won't touch it.

    Many cafes won't accept it, likely plenty of other retail stores will refuse it.
    There is no legal requirement for them to have to accept it.

    Again, welcome yourself to 2020.


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    #127
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm imagining all those banks have atms, can't recall last time I withdrew physical cash from within a bank branch. In terms of cafes no longer taking cash, that's their perogative. The rfid thing implants in skin is more a fad among a couple of thousand people. Happy to do my payments via my phone or watch as I imagine most are. So cash is still present, just many choose not to use it any more.

    You'll also find places like Germany have incredibly high levels of cash usage still.

    Yup, I came across a vending machine recently that was card only. It was pretty easy to use. Not sure why some individuals are so concerned about all this.


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    #128
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Greatly less so than before, 10yrs ago 100% of the time consumers there you could bank, and shop with cash.

    Today the 'Majority' (more than 50%) of bank branches won't touch it.

    Many cafes won't accept it, likely plenty of other retail stores will refuse it.
    There is no legal requirement for them to have to accept it.

    Again, welcome yourself to 2020.

    Yeah, it's fine, I hardly use cash anymore. Most people I know don't.


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    #129
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Ah so if someone said physical cash is an option in Sweden, they'd be correct.

    Not if they walk into the average bank branch, no.
    And if they walk into many cafes and shops, also it's a no.

    Basically were talking about the move towards digital money and ID, for the first time in what is many thousands, upon thousands of years of physical storages of wealth.


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    #130
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yeah, it's fine, I hardly use cash anymore. .
    Ah, as long as you're fine (eyeroll) everything is just dandy isn't it.


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    #131
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Ah, as long as you're fine (eyeroll) everything is just dandy isn't it.

    Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

    Why are you so worried about it?


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    #132
    Lonesomerhodes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

    Why are you so worried about it?

    Simple people dont want it as its total control. Money can buy things but digital currency can be tampered with.

    The digital currency people are concerned about isnt the same as now.

    People will have some bullshyt credit system that can willy nilly be turned on and off for individuals with individual digital ids or microchips that is RFID gives location etc.

    The big boys want to upgrade the plebs slavery basically.

    End to privacy in essense.

    Now you will get I love Leo loola's who say sure if you have nothing to hide.

    Yes I do. Plenty to hide!.

    Id ask them if you have nothing to hide why are you wearing clothes?


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    #133
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Simple people dont want it as its total control. Money can buy things but digital currency can be tampered with.

    The digital currency people are concerned about isnt the same as now.

    People will have some bullshyt credit system that can willy nilly be turned on and off for individuals with individual digital ids or microchips that is RFID gives location etc.

    The big boys want to upgrade the plebs slavery basically.

    End to privacy in essense.

    Now you will get I love Leo loola's who say sure if you have nothing to hide.

    Yes I do. Plenty to hide!.

    Id ask them if you have nothing to hide why are you wearing clothes?

    Okay, but specifically what are you worried about with digital payments? give an example


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    #134
    eleventh
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    ohnonnotgmail wrote:
    with cash you can end up in even hotter water with mummy or daddy pissing their social welfare money up against a wall or putting it on a three legged donkey.
    As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.


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    #135
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    eleventh wrote: »
    As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.

    Why do you believe that the people we elect don't care about children or vulnerable, they have kids themselves and have elderly relatives..

    Do you think these people are "sub-human" or something?


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    #136
    Lonesomerhodes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Okay, but specifically what are you worried about with digital payments? give an example

    Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

    People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

    In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

    The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

    Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

    Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

    They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.


    This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.


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    #137
    eleventh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭eleventh


    Dohnjoe wrote:
    Why do you believe that the people we elect don't care about children or vulnerable, they have kids themselves and have elderly relatives..
    Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.
    Do you think these people are "sub-human" or something?
    Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
    I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
    Troll away anyway.


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    #138
    Lonesomerhodes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    eleventh wrote: »
    Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.
    Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
    I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
    Troll away anyway.

    Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her)

    He (or she) well knows Varadkar Harris etc dont have kids!.


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    #139
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

    Why are you so worried about it?

    There's countless posts on this thread outlining the concerns, it should be so easy to understand the concerns at this stage.. doesn't mean you have to agree.


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    #140
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

    People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

    In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

    The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

    Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

    Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

    They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.


    This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

    I'm not talking about digital ID's or microchips.

    The digital payments we use today, chip and pin, have you had any issues with it?


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    #141
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    eleventh wrote: »
    Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.

    Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
    I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
    Troll away anyway.

    Thanks for the accusation of trolling

    You wrote:
    As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.

    I replied to it. Are you referring to something else, if so, what is it?


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    #142
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her)

    He (or she) well knows Varadkar Harris etc dont have kids!.

    Is this some sort of special club or is this a public forum?

    I can post whatever I like as long as it's within the rules. I'm asking perfectly reasonable questions, and trying to understand this worry (or paranoia) over digital payments

    As for digital ID, my friend in Europe has digital ID, everyone in that country does, the card has a little chip on it. If they go to the town hall they can use the card to be recognised and also it can be used to pay taxes (online)

    For microchips and rfid's? if people want to insert them under their skin, that's up to them.


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    #143
    Lonesomerhodes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Lonesomerhodes


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I'm not talking about digital ID's or microchips.

    The digital payments we use today, chip and pin, have you had any issues with it?

    But the thread isnt on modern payments its on digital ids that could be used as a means of payment in the very near future.

    Why insist on changing the topic?.


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    #144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

    People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

    In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

    The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

    Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

    Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

    They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.


    This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

    The main reason the nation is on lockdown is to prevent our entire health service from collapsing and tens of thousands from dying. Pretty reasonable.


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    #145
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

    Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

    They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.


    This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

    People are in their houses cause there is a virus, you know this, no other reason.

    Sweden has had 308 deaths, 69 of which where today alone. They need to start doing something fast to stop it.

    Physical money can easily spread a virus... Do you understand how viruses are spread??

    Once this pandemic ends, people will go back spending their money as they like, either physically or digitally.

    But since the physical money is all backed up by the digital numbers on a screen.... It really doesn't matter anyway.


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    #146
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Is this some sort of special club or is this a public forum?

    I can post whatever I like as long as it's within the rules. I'm asking perfectly reasonable questions, and trying to understand this worry (or paranoia) over digital payments

    As for digital ID, my friend in Europe has digital ID, everyone in that country does, the card has a little chip on it. If they go to the town hall they can use the card to be recognised and also it can be used to pay taxes (online)

    For microchips and rfid's? if people want to insert them under their skin, that's up to them.

    The repeated questioning is a really effective deflection from any healthy discussion. Reading through the thread almost every post has been posters justifying their viewpoint to your repeated retorts... going round in tangents.


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    #147
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Fleetwoodmac wrote: »
    The repeated questioning is a really effective deflection from any healthy discussion.

    You seem to be implying that others should just accept what posters in here claim without question, which wouldn't be healthy discussion at all.


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    #148
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You seem to be implying that others should just accept what posters in here claim without question, which wouldn't be healthy discussion at all.

    Jeez Dohnjoe.. your fast as lightning in your replies. There's a difference between repeated discussion and debate. And now I've roped myself into it!! I don't get why you would choose to repeatedly scorn... I mean it's akin to me going on to the hunting forum, say and staying there even though I will never get their viewpoint and vice versa. I prefer to engage with likeminded people where discussion is a reciporcal engagement as opposed to intentionally seeking out those I disagree with. Things are difficult enough in these times without actively engaging with those we repeatededly disagree with. There is nothing healthy about that. Anyway I'm off to read jim corrs Twitter feed!!!!


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    #149
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her).

    Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

    They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
    Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

    A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
    And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

    I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
    Make of that what you will.


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    #150
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,151 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

    They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
    Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

    A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
    And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

    I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
    Make of that what you will.

    can you remind us what CTs you have been proven correct on?


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    #151
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »
    Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

    They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
    Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

    A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
    And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

    I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
    Make of that what you will.

    I make it that you are trying to bait other users into winding them up for your enjoyment.


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