Post primary return to schools roadmap

km79 · 07-08-2020 12:13am

rainbowtrout wrote: »

A perspex screen has been put on the teachers desks in our science labs. That's all the guidance we've been given. :rolleyes:

There is no guidance in the Department documents on it sure ?
That’s the point being made
“Local arrangements “ so
Then the schools take the blame
Not good enough. Should not be accepted . Not seen the unions raise this particular issue . Or the lack of remote teaching guidelines

Random sample · 07-08-2020 7:59am

I am also hoping for some discussion and instruction on online learning when we go back. This is our chance to nail it down as a staff and make sure we are on the same page.

I wonder will those croke park days be in person though? There’s mention of staff meetings being online. A lot of us won’t have our own room to go to for a zoom meeting come 26th August.

sandyxxx · 07-08-2020 8:33am

......Lead Worker Roles
.....I see schools are providing “lead workers” who can be teaching or non-teaching staff,....teachers get 2 hrs off their timetables but can’t see any other details of compensation,for what could turn out to be a bit of hassle!

The chan chan man · 07-08-2020 9:16am

I’m not a teacher. Reading this however i really do feel for you all. It looks like this is going to be a nightmare!

Wait until the first teacher contacts the virus..

Chancer3001 · 07-08-2020 9:17am

What happens if a teacher displays symptoms? Obviously organises to go for a test and stays home...

But getting results can take a week (or more)

Does that count as 7 days sick leave?

wirelessdude01 · 07-08-2020 10:30am

sandyxxx wrote: »

......Lead Worker Roles
.....I see schools are providing “lead workers” who can be teaching or non-teaching staff,....teachers get 2 hrs off their timetables but can’t see any other details of compensation,for what could turn out to be a bit of hassle!

That's because there isn't any. Even before these were announced I maintained that there should have been a special AP1 or 2 post given to every school to cover something like this, just for the year.

derb12 · 07-08-2020 10:32am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

What happens if a teacher displays symptoms? Obviously organises to go for a test and stays home...

But getting results can take a week (or more)

Does that count as 7 days sick leave?

I don’t know about the whole sick pay situation but test results seem to be quicker now. A friend got her result back within 36 hours last week (Dublin).

Bananaleaf · 07-08-2020 10:56am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

What happens if a teacher displays symptoms? Obviously organises to go for a test and stays home...

But getting results can take a week (or more)

Does that count as 7 days sick leave?

I know this isn't the point, but it just made me wonder.

Does anyone here have income continuance with Cornmarket and does anyone know if it can be used for any illness related to Covid?

Postgrad10 · 07-08-2020 12:12pm

See rte posting that schools in Germany had to close as a teacher tested positive.

khalessi · 07-08-2020 12:19pm

derb12 wrote: »

I don’t know about the whole sick pay situation but test results seem to be quicker now. A friend got her result back within 36 hours last week (Dublin).

Friend had to stay home from work tested on the MOnday or Tuesday and test results on the Friday, week out of work. That was Monaghan.

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 12:30pm

km79 wrote: »

There is no guidance in the Department documents on it sure ?
That’s the point being made
“Local arrangements “ so
Then the schools take the blame
Not good enough. Should not be accepted . Not seen the unions raise this particular issue . Or the lack of remote teaching guidelines

I mean that the principal hasn't said or suggested whether we should do practical work or not this year. Presumably we are continuing as normal for the moment.

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 12:31pm

Chancer3001 wrote: »

What happens if a teacher displays symptoms? Obviously organises to go for a test and stays home...

But getting results can take a week (or more)

Does that count as 7 days sick leave?

No. The circular brought out in march said that covid related leave does not count as normal sick leave.

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0024_2020.pdf

km79 · 07-08-2020 12:35pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I mean that the principal hasn't said or suggested whether we should do practical work or not this year. Presumably we are continuing as normal for the moment.

What I meant was Principals have not received any guidance on it so can’t pass any on to teachers !
There is next to nothing in the documents about it

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 12:37pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That's because there isn't any. Even before these were announced I maintained that there should have been a special AP1 or 2 post given to every school to cover something like this, just for the year.

I just worked it out as a curiosity. Say a teacher gets 2 hours off their timetable for this so their hours are covered by a sub for the year or someone gets them as part of their contract, so that's 66 hours for the year.

On the qualified subbing rate and accrued holiday pay that's €51.24 an hour.

Multiplied by 66 = €3381.84.

The B post allowance is 3769.

Difference is 388. Across approximately 725 secondary schools (don't know how the post thing works in primary), that's €281,300.

Cheaper to pay a sub.

Will cost less if the LWR is not a teacher.

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 12:40pm

km79 wrote: »

What I meant was Principals have not received any guidance on it so can’t pass any on to teachers !
There is next to nothing in the documents about it

I suspect all principals will be supplied with the following equipment in the weeks to come

khalessi · 07-08-2020 12:41pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I suspect all principals will be supplied with the following equipment in the weeks to come

where is the pmsl emoji? This:D or:pac: is sometimes inadequate lol

r93kaey5p2izun · 07-08-2020 1:08pm

khalessi wrote: »

Friend had to stay home from work tested on the MOnday or Tuesday and test results on the Friday, week out of work. That was Monaghan.

Big delays also if you can't drive to test centre. Relative waited 3 days for the test then 2 days for the results last week.

khalessi · 07-08-2020 1:10pm

Ophelia Modern Firehouse wrote: »

Big delays also if you can't drive to test centre. Relative waited 3 days for the test then 2 days for the results last week.

I hope covid leave is not taken from sick leave as teachers could need testing a few times during year and a week evertime

:(

TheValeyard · 07-08-2020 2:24pm

I know that various school staff have been having online meetings yesterday and today with principals on how to open the school up.

pandoraj09 · 07-08-2020 2:30pm

We're back on the 24th. Kids not back until 31rst. We got sent a form to fill out asking about symptoms etc. It doesn't ask if we have been abroad though. I think it should.

TheValeyard · 07-08-2020 2:31pm

pandoraj09 wrote: »

We're back on the 24th. Kids not back until 31rst. We got sent a form to fill out asking about symptoms etc. It doesn't ask if we have been abroad though. I think it should.

Yeah got them also. The are you fit to work thing?

pandoraj09 · 07-08-2020 2:38pm

Its called the pre return to work form...About 6 questions on it about Covid.

Treppen · 07-08-2020 4:49pm

km79 wrote: »

What I meant was Principals have not received any guidance on it so can’t pass any on to teachers !
There is next to nothing in the documents about it

I always think principals will wait for advice from NAPD before going to local arrangements.

Treppen · 07-08-2020 4:52pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I just worked it out as a curiosity. Say a teacher gets 2 hours off their timetable for this so their hours are covered by a sub for the year or someone gets them as part of their contract, so that's 66 hours for the year.

On the qualified subbing rate and accrued holiday pay that's €51.24 an hour.

Multiplied by 66 = €3381.84.

The B post allowance is 3769.

Difference is 388. Across approximately 725 secondary schools (don't know how the post thing works in primary), that's €281,300.

Cheaper to pay a sub.

Will cost less if the LWR is not a teacher.

Gonna be a problem getting subs as things are.
Then you gotta rely on the sub to come in and take charge and start liasing with staff and management for the whole year! And manage their own regular classes on top.

Treppen · 07-08-2020 4:55pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

I know that various school staff have been having online meetings yesterday and today with principals on how to open the school up.

Wow that's ambitious.

Were just enjoying our holidays , we'll be told what's what when the time comes. On one hand it would be nice to be consulted, but on the other, we don't have to deal with the disappointment when all our suggestions and collaboration is ignored :pac:

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 4:55pm

pandoraj09 wrote: »

We're back on the 24th. Kids not back until 31rst. We got sent a form to fill out asking about symptoms etc. It doesn't ask if we have been abroad though. I think it should.

24th? A full week before the students, are ye using all the CP hours for the year for that?

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 4:56pm

khalessi wrote: »

I hope covid leave is not taken from sick leave as teachers could need testing a few times during year and a week evertime:(

Covid leave is covered in circular I posted in post #213. It doesn't affect regular sick leave.

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 4:59pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

I know that various school staff have been having online meetings yesterday and today with principals on how to open the school up.

My principal has just gone on holidays......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 5:00pm

Treppen wrote: »

Gonna be a problem getting subs as things are.
Then you gotta rely on the sub to come in and take charge and start liasing with staff and management for the whole year! And manage their own regular classes on top.

Oh i know, but it's cost saving for the Dept. That appears to be the bottom line.

km79 · 07-08-2020 5:04pm

Friday evening circular anyone?
https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0049_2020.pdf

Covers sick leave etc

DubLad69 · 07-08-2020 5:04pm

Principal just emailed us at 5pm on a Friday seeking a person for the LWR, but he can confirm that they will not be able to give them 2 hours off their timetable, but will give them 2 hours off S&S.

Can't see anyone doing it.

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 5:14pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

Principal just emailed us at 5pm on a Friday seeking a person for the LWR, but he can confirm that they will not be able to give them 2 hours off their timetable, but will give them 2 hours off S&S.

Can't see anyone doing it.

Funny how he knows he can't give hours off the timetable without knowing who applies for it. So many principals are such a law unto themselves.

km79 · 07-08-2020 5:17pm

"The Minister also confirmed that she had been working with the public health authorities to ensure that the public health advice underpinning the safe reopening of schools is fully up to date.

The HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre has confirmed that all recommendations published in the public health advice by the Minister at the beginning of July including physical distancing guidelines as set out in the recently published roadmap still apply in all schools, with the exception of the recommendations on face coverings which has been updated to reflect the latest research and expertise.

It is now recommended that teachers and secondary school students wear face coverings, similar to those worn in shops or on public transport, when a physical distance of 2 metres cannot be maintained."

Recommended

rainbowtrout · 07-08-2020 5:19pm

Here we go finally

https://www.thejournal.ie/masks-schools-5170600-Aug2020/

wirelessdude01 · 07-08-2020 5:20pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

Principal just emailed us at 5pm on a Friday seeking a person for the LWR, but he can confirm that they will not be able to give them 2 hours off their timetable, but will give them 2 hours off S&S.

Can't see anyone doing it.

Hmmmm comes to mind. Pulling a stroke.

Mardy Bum · 07-08-2020 5:21pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Here we go finally

https://www.thejournal.ie/masks-schools-5170600-Aug2020/

Surely the Department can claim the title of most incoherent policy makers during the pandemic?

km79 · 07-08-2020 5:27pm

https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-08-07.html

Metroid diorteM · 07-08-2020 5:38pm

pandoraj09 wrote: »

Also, there are sanitisers you can buy on Amazon that sanitise using UV light. A family member uses them every day in her business and apparently they work..
I got one delivered. Cost 19.99. It opens up and fits a phone, keys etc and takes 8 minutes to sanitise them. Would be a good thing to use at the end of the day before we go home...

Which one did you get?

pandoraj09 · 07-08-2020 6:21pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

24th? A full week before the students, are ye using all the CP hours for the year for that?

I don't know. I'm emailing management to find out...There are a group on our staff that always shout loudly about coming back as early as possible.

DubLad69 · 07-08-2020 6:27pm

km79 wrote: »

"The Minister also confirmed that she had been working with the public health authorities to ensure that the public health advice underpinning the safe reopening of schools is fully up to date.

The HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre has confirmed that all recommendations published in the public health advice by the Minister at the beginning of July including physical distancing guidelines as set out in the recently published roadmap still apply in all schools, with the exception of the recommendations on face coverings which has been updated to reflect the latest research and expertise.

It is now recommended that teachers and secondary school students wear face coverings, similar to those worn in shops or on public transport, when a physical distance of 2 metres cannot be maintained."

Recommended

So if the previous advice was to only wear a face mask if you can't keep the 1m distance does that mean that now that we are all going to be wearing all masks at all times then the schools dont really have to stick to keeping us 1m away from each other?

mirrorwall14 · 07-08-2020 7:02pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

So if the previous advice was to only wear a face mask if you can't keep the 1m distance does that mean that now that we are all going to be wearing all masks at all times then the schools dont really have to stick to keeping us 1m away from each other?

My reading of it is that everything else stays the same, this is an addition to it. Unless we are 2m from them at all times we must wear a mask

r93kaey5p2izun · 07-08-2020 7:06pm

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

My reading of it is that everything else stays the same, this is an addition to it. Unless we are 2m from them at all times we must wear a mask

And so must they (students) at post primary.

Rosita · 07-08-2020 7:40pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

Principal just emailed us at 5pm on a Friday seeking a person for the LWR, but he can confirm that they will not be able to give them 2 hours off their timetable, but will give them 2 hours off S&S.

Can't see anyone doing it.

I guarantee you there’ll be people who’ll take the role in hope of currying favour for some job/hours/interview down the road. That’s how it works.

solerina · 07-08-2020 7:59pm

pandoraj09 wrote: »

I don't know. I'm emailing management to find out...There are a group on our staff that always shout loudly about coming back as early as possible.

They must be on every staff, we have them too ☹️Always seem to be in a rush back !! I can never understand why, the day you go in the summer ends, why rush that, esp for a full day of Croke Park hours.

r93kaey5p2izun · 07-08-2020 8:01pm

How are parent teacher meetings to operate this year? I don't see any reference in the documents.

DubLad69 · 07-08-2020 8:40pm

Ophelia Modern Firehouse wrote: »

How are parent teacher meetings to operate this year? I don't see any reference in the documents.

I would imagine that they would be as normal, just with a 2m difference, Sanatiser at each door, and face coverings

r93kaey5p2izun · 07-08-2020 8:44pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

I would imagine that they would be as normal, just with a 2m difference, Sanatiser at each door, and face coverings

Seems like a lot of unnecessary mixing with extra people. A huge extra risk of having teachers exposed risking school shutdowns. Vast majority of these meetings are a waste of time and a written report would do.

Bananaleaf · 07-08-2020 8:59pm

Just clarifying ... masks are still not mandatory at second level, is that right? It is just recommended that they are worn?

TheValeyard · 07-08-2020 9:00pm

I'm still struggling with the idea (as mentioned before) that in 3rd level a 17/18 year old must maintain a 2m distance. But in second level that same 17/18 year old its 1m distance. I didn't know the virus was so picky when it came to distance.

TheValeyard · 07-08-2020 9:01pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Just clarifying ... masks are still not mandatory at second level, is that right? It is just recommended that they are worn?

It's not mandatory from the Dept. But it leave schools the option to make them mandatory. And many will. It will be included in the codes of behaviour for this teaching year.

Post primary return to schools roadmap

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