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The Bike Scheme thread

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    4km DIAMETER lads , 2km from O Briens Bridge in every direction. Stopping just past Moneenageisha and Sandyvale and just before the Liosban for example. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    ciotog wrote: »
    Public transport on the west side is pretty poor, would be nice if there was good public bike scheme take up on that side.

    Agree re public transport - perhaps the concentration on the West side of the city is that the Salthill area has the highest cycling numbers in the city already?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    4km DIAMETER lads , 2km from O Briens Bridge in every direction. Stopping just past Moneenageisha and Sandyvale and just before the Liosban for example. :rolleyes:

    Your right. Will have to go back and study me junior cert maths. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    High numbers cycling apparently an obstacle to success of shared bike schemes, but I guess they mean modal share of Dutch and Danish proportions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    High numbers cycling apparently an obstacle to success of shared bike schemes, but I guess they mean modal share of Dutch and Danish proportions!

    Ya your right here. Much lower base levels here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    ciotog wrote: »
    Public transport on the west side is pretty poor, would be nice if there was good public bike scheme take up on that side.

    23kg I want one - the bikes they're selling these days are too light (14kg bikes on sale, what do they think is cycling on these fairies?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭ciotog


    antoobrien wrote: »
    23kg I want one - the bikes they're selling these days are too light (14kg bikes on sale, what do they think is cycling on these fairies?)
    You're calling me a fairy? :D They should certainly be robust bikes but I'm happy to go light when it's my own bike I'm on. I think I'd be wrecked on a 23kg bike coming in from Doughiska :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    ciotog wrote: »
    You're calling me a fairy? :D They should certainly be robust bikes but I'm happy to go light when it's my own bike I'm on. I think I'd be wrecked on a 23kg bike coming in from Doughiska :)

    No I was referring to the tub of lard that is my (not so) good self.

    On a serious (OT) point, the new bikes do feel very light. I used to have a 20kg bike when going between briarhill & the uni - did it in 15 mins. I'm 10kg heavier than I was then - it's not taking enough effort for me to keep the weight off :(

    I no longer have the bike due to the fact that I rode it (and 2 others) so far into the ground that the only place for them was Galway Metal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭ciotog


    antoobrien wrote: »
    No I was referring to the tub of lard that is my (not so) good self.

    On a serious (OT) point, the new bikes do feel very light. I used to have a 20kg bike when going between briarhill & the uni - did it in 15 mins. I'm 10kg heavier than I was then - it's not taking enough effort for me to keep the weight off :(

    I no longer have the bike due to the fact that I rode it (and 2 others) so far into the ground that the only place for them was Galway Metal.
    I find I'm keeping my weight about constant is my finding. I'd rather be more agile/nippy on the bike when commuting rather than getting the weight loss benefits to be honest. For me, the lighter bike has me keeping pace with the city traffic much better (obviously you fall off as you get out of town but you also have a bit more space). So I'm happy with that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Yiz are all fairies! ;)

    My 3.5-year-old once cycled 2 km to his creche on a bike that was 75% of his own body-weight. He needed some encouragement and a push on the hills, but otherwise no bother.

    That would be the equivalent of an 80 kg adult cycling a bike weighing 60 kg (one of those "bomb-proof" Dutch types perhaps?).

    Just goes to show how energy-efficient a bike is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Yiz are all fairies! ;)

    My 3.5-year-old once cycled 2 km to his creche on a bike that was 75% of his own body-weight. He needed some encouragement and a push on the hills, but otherwise no bother.
    With or without stabilisers? If with - then was tougher again because of the extra surface friction with the plastic wheels?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    antoobrien wrote: »
    23kg I want one - the bikes they're selling these days are too light (14kg bikes on sale, what do they think is cycling on these fairies?)

    I think as long as the tyre's are using the correct pressure for a Dublinbike and once your moving then there is not a whole lot of difference between the a 14kg and 23kg bike. For short trips anyhow. Presume the weight on Dublinbike is because its made of steel rather than aluminium.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Yiz are all fairies! ;)

    My 3.5-year-old once cycled 2 km to his creche on a bike that was 75% of his own body-weight. He needed some encouragement and a push on the hills, but otherwise no bother.

    My god you did that to a child:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    With or without stabilisers? If with - then was tougher again because of the extra surface friction with the plastic wheels?


    With stabilisers. His legs are too short otherwise! Chunky wheels on the stabilisers, by the way.



    antoobrien wrote: »
    My god you did that to a child


    There was also light rain at the time, and I was pushing his younger sibling in a buggy. One hill was very steep too.

    For your information, the route in question also has the following features:
    • there are three roundabouts along the way
    • there is a stretch of road with no footpath
    • there are no pedestrian crossings
    • part of the route (in a residential area with two creches) has an 80 km/h speed limit
    • motorists routinely break the speed limit on all roads in the area
    • there is no traffic calming
    • An Garda Siochana refused to carry out speed checks some years ago on the basis that it would not be "an efficient use of resources" and they have not been seen since
    • footpaths are routinely blocked by illegally parked vehicles
    • there is no short cut through quieter residential streets because the "planners" created large cul-de-sac estates divided by high walls and surrounded by roads with a high design speed and no traffic calming.
    So who would you complain to? And about what exactly?

    You choose:

    Galway City Council

    An Garda Siochana

    Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children

    Let us know how you get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    [/LIST]So who would you complain to? And about what exactly?

    I see the concept of sarcasm is still lost on you.

    On a serious point, since you seem to be of the opinion that cycling is inherently dangerous in Galway why would you bring your kids out on bike - even on a footpath?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    If you're going to use a smiley you need to pick the right one: :rolleyes:

    Cycling is an inherently safe and healthful mode of transport, which is why I'm encouraging my children in that direction. The inherent risks of cycling are trivial, and the long-term benefits far outweigh the risks.

    I cycled to school as a child, and a bike is a major key to a child's independence, IMO. I would hate to see my kids grow up with the level of car dependence which is now the norm in Ireland, and which is associated with a range of other problems such as overweight and obesity.

    Seeking safer conditions for cycling is a bit of a tightrope act in this country. One the one hand, it can be counterproductive to place too much emphasis on safety and danger. On the other hand, real and perceived danger on the roads is a common cause of concern, and is often cited by parents as a barrier to active commuting. It's not a circle I've managed to square so far.

    As a general rule the healthier choice should be the easier choice.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Only on the internet can a cycle to school be described in length and with citations as a task that made the Labours of Heracles seem like a walk in the park.

    #FirstWorldProblems

    Back on topic, and looking at the map of possible Bike Docking Station locations, anyone else see the merit on one in the triangle of land at Joyces, although slightly out of range. After all, part of the initial planning for the supermarket was all kinds of community perks, not many of which have been forthcoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    If you're going to use a smiley you need to pick the right one: :rolleyes:

    No need to be narky or sarcastic - one could be accused of insulting other posters with your fairy comment. Besides I did refer to myself as a tub of lard, so thrust of said portion of the thread was mostly in jest - I suggest you start taking that kind of thing onboard.
    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Cycling is a safe and healthful mode of transport

    Bookmarked for the next time you attempt to paint it as unsafe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Robbo wrote: »
    Back on topic, and looking at the map of possible Bike Docking Station locations, anyone else see the merit on one in the triangle of land at Joyces, although slightly out of range. After all, part of the initial planning for the supermarket was all kinds of community perks, not many of which have been forthcoming.

    Probably to far for the initial phase, but they maybe reluctant to put one here anyhow.
    See how they have avoided Taylors Hill area probably due to the Climb on Taylors hill plus the lane widths are narrow on this road (same applies to the Kingston Road and it also has heavy traffic because its the main road to South Connemara.)

    I'm surprised they dont have one at the bottom of College Road/Huntsman. See alot of people walking into the city from here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Your right. Its 4km radius. See Page 17 of the following PDF. Bike Scheme Technical Report
    Very much a concentration of stations on the West Side of the City. (Apart from Taylors hill area)

    I notice that they advised against putting bikes near the stadium (and a few other places out west) on the previous page.
    However, it is recommended that the first phase of the deployment area is reduced from the currently proposed 8km2 to around 4km2 but with as many docking stations as originally intended. This would increase the density of the docking stations from around 3/km2 to 6/km2.

    Further surveys and analysis would be required but, based on a desktop review, it would make sense not to include the proposed docking stations on the western side of the city (Salthill Road pier, Pearse Stadium), north east (the three in the Wellpark area), and perhaps the ones to the north of R338 and N6. A greater density would be recommended for the city centre (e.g. to the west of Eyre Square), with additional stations between the city centre and Salthill.

    Maybe that's a good thing, I wouldn't want to be relying on a bike that mightn't be there if I go to a match.

    On the west theres a big gap between Lower Salthill & Newcastle. So I'd probably put one somewhere like the Jes or on the corner of Tailors hill, St Mary's Rd & The Crescent.

    There's probably room for one in Shantalla as well, but I'm not sure where a good spot would be.
    I'm surprised they dont have one at the bottom of College Road/Huntsman. See alot of people walking into the city from here.

    I'd agree with that if people were going across town. If you're only going as far as the square, it's hardly worth it. If that is the case I'd have one at Cemetery Cross and/or the Huntsman, preferably both really, as I wouldn't want to have to go over to the shopping center from the Huntsman for a slot.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    antoobrien wrote: »
    No need to be narky or sarcastic - one could be accused of insulting other posters with your fairy comment. Besides I did refer to myself as a tub of lard, so thrust of said portion of the thread was mostly in jest - I suggest you start taking that kind of thing onboard.

    QUOTE]


    It is you who say it. As for fairies, I was merely following on from an earlier jest.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75504854&postcount=58


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Bookmarked for the next time you attempt to paint it as unsafe.



    I have never tried to "paint" cycling as unsafe.

    The key word is inherent. I suggest you bookmark that, rather than engage in this tiresome (and humourless) point-scoring.

    My previous post now edited accordingly.


    Probably to far for the initial phase, but they maybe reluctant to put one here anyhow.

    See how they have avoided Taylors Hill area probably due to the Climb on Taylors hill plus the lane widths are narrow on this road (same applies to the Kingston Road and it also has heavy traffic because its the main road to South Connemara.)

    I'm surprised they dont have one at the bottom of College Road/Huntsman. See alot of people walking into the city from here.



    Now that I think of it, one good thing about these bike share schemes, IMO, is that they don't lend themselves to helmet hysteria.

    TTBOMK such schemes wouldn't work well where helmet-wearing is mandatory. I'm open to correction on this point, but it would be difficult to operate a bike-sharing scheme if potential users had to supply their own helmet, and making helmet-sharing part of the deal would be problematic if not impossible. If public bike schemes are here to stay, then this might well put paid for good to any attempts at making helmets compulsory. As one commentator said on RTE radio, a key benefit of bike sharing schemes is that they normalise cycling. That said, they presumably just couldn't resist the PC requirement to perch a helmet on minister Alan Kelly's head for the photo opp outside the Millennium Arts Building.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Robbo wrote: »
    Only on the internet can a cycle to school be described in length and with citations as a task that made the Labours of Heracles seem like a walk in the park.


    Only on Boards (or is it just the Galway City forum?) can some people's interpretation of certain things be so wide of the mark.

    The point is that even a three-and-a-half year old boy on a heavy bike can cycle 2km, albeit needing encouragement and a bit of a push, and in a non-conducive environment at that.

    There are hundreds if not thousands of adult males resident in Galway City who would would rather sit in their cars for hours daily whinging incessantly and fruitlessly about things like traffic congestion, the absence of a bypass and the terrible weather rather than get off their arses and walk or cycle 2 km, as if such a task were the 13th Labour of Heracles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    antoobrien wrote: »
    On the west theres a big gap between Lower Salthill & Newcastle. So I'd probably put one somewhere like the Jes or on the corner of Tailors hill, St Mary's Rd & The Crescent.

    Ya I noticed that too, that would be a good location the corner of Tailors hill, St Mary's Rd & The Crescent. There is to much concentration on the Prom route.
    antoobrien wrote: »
    There's probably room for one in Shantalla as well, but I'm not sure where a good spot would be.
    Near the National School perhaps
    antoobrien wrote: »
    I'd agree with that if people were going across town. If you're only going as far as the square, it's hardly worth it. If that is the case I'd have one at Cemetery Cross and/or the Huntsman, preferably both really, as I wouldn't want to have to go over to the shopping center from the Huntsman for a slot.
    Ya - I think both spots would be good locations - give the east side a better share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Now that I think of it, one good thing about these bike share schemes, IMO, is that they don't lend themselves to helmet hysteria.

    TTBOMK such schemes wouldn't work well where helmet-wearing is mandatory. I'm open to correction on this point, but it would be difficult to operate a bike-sharing scheme if potential users had to supply their own helmet, and making helmet-sharing part of the deal would be problematic if not impossible. If public bike schemes are here to stay, then this might well put paid for good to any attempts at making helmets compulsory. As one commentator said on RTE radio, a key benefit of bike sharing schemes is that they normalise cycling. That said, they presumably just couldn't resist the PC requirement to perch a helmet on minister Alan Kelly's head for the photo opp outside the Millennium Arts Building.


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    Not sure why you quoted me here? My post had nothing to do with Helmets anyhow your right by the way on the point you make. Melbourne has one of the least used bike share schemes in the world because of this very issue. Have mandatory laws over there in Oz.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    So, this was due to happen in Galway by summer 2012.
    There has been no word, barely a whimper from the Council/related bodies. Has it been shelved?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    I'll respond meself.
    It's due to be rolled out in early 2014.
    Up to 250 bikes at 23 docking stations are proposed for Galway within a four-square kilometre of the city centre, and it will cost €3.8m to run over 15 years.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/city-bikes-scheme-to-be-wheeled-out-in-four-new-towns-29167796.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    snubbleste wrote: »
    I'll respond meself.
    It's due to be rolled out in early 2014.

    Thank god they announced this today and not yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    There is an article in todays Advertiser about the BikeShare. Cannot find an Online version. Will post again once I get the page number.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    There is an article in todays Advertiser about the BikeShare. Cannot find an Online version. Will post again once I get the page number.

    Page 14: http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?pbid=a2fc81f2-0ccf-4dbf-aca1-00bedf4bde35

    The highlights:

    Estimated operating costs of €3.5m for 15 years
    23 stations with up to 250 bikes (estimated need 200-250)
    Capital cost for Galway approx €1.68m (nationally expected to be 6.4m)
    No details on proposed costs to consumers in Galway.

    For comparison Dublin's current scheme is for 550 bikes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Gambas


    250 sounds great. Any map of the proposed locations yet?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    http://nationaltransport.ie/downloads/Bike-Scheme-Technical-Report.pdf

    page 17 has a map of potential locations for Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    Image captures and rotated to make it easier. I assume it's fine to pull it out like this since it's a public document.

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    Frankly this is disappointing at first glance. Nothing east of the train station and in general the area covered is very small. Still, hopefully if this proves successful then more stations would be added as indicated in Phase 2 and also bikes out near and around GMIT would make sense too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Mr_A wrote: »
    Image captures and rotated to make it easier. I assume it's fine to pull it out like this since it's a public document.

    Frankly this is disappointing at first glance. Nothing east of the train station and in general the area covered is very small. Still, hopefully if this proves successful then more stations would be added as indicated in Phase 2 and also bikes out near and around GMIT would make sense too.

    I think the key thing about this map is that it shows how much of Galway city is within 8 minutes by bike from the city centre. Double the the radius and you have 16 minutes.

    They are assuming 15km/h which might be optimistic for a typical bikeshare bike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Gambas


    Mr_A wrote: »
    Image captures and rotated to make it easier. I assume it's fine to pull it out like this since it's a public document.


    Frankly this is disappointing at first glance. Nothing east of the train station and in general the area covered is very small. Still, hopefully if this proves successful then more stations would be added as indicated in Phase 2 and also bikes out near and around GMIT would make sense too.

    It seems density of drop off points is the key factor from reading the report. I'd be happy enough with what is proposed Particularly as I'll be within about 30m of one :).


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Gambas


    They are assuming 15km/h which might be optimistic for a typical bikeshare bike.

    Take a look at the Cork proposal. They've basically written off the entire northside because you couldn't get up the hills on one of them. From using them abroad, I think they've got a sort of clunky charm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,760 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Hope the users are told not to go via the pedestrian routes. It is/was bad enough with the rickshaws but I wouldn't fancy a gang of people on bikes coming at me on Shop Street.


  • Registered Users Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Gambas


    Hope the users are told not to go via the pedestrian routes. It is/was bad enough with the rickshaws but I wouldn't fancy a gang of people on bikes coming at me on Shop Street.

    These aren't magic bikes. The same rules of the road apply to these as to any other bike. If you haven't seen a gang of people coming at you on bikes down shop street before, you have nothing to worry about. But it sounds like you're very determined.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I think the key thing about this map is that it shows how much of Galway city is within 8 minutes by bike from the city centre. Double the the radius and you have 16 minutes.

    They are assuming 15km/h which might be optimistic for a typical bikeshare bike.

    Good point. May have to adjust the pricing model of the scheme, i.e first 15mins free rather than 30min like in Dublin.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Hope the users are told not to go via the pedestrian routes. It is/was bad enough with the rickshaws but I wouldn't fancy a gang of people on bikes coming at me on Shop Street.

    I am afraid thats very much a false hope. Shop street was always the natural cycling route accross the city. If I remember correctly, at the time that the city council tried to close it to bikes at the end of the 1990s it had the third highest bicycle count of any road in the city.

    No attempt was made to provide viable alternative cycling routes through or around the city centre. You either had to use the docks or go via Salmon Weir bridge.

    This was completely contrary to best practice on planning such pedestrian zones. I think the Germans had decided around 1983 that trying to ban cyclists from pedestrians zones was unworkable and had to be avoided. There was UK guidance on incorporating cycle routes in pedestrian zones published in 1996.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    No attempt was made to provide viable alternative cycling routes through or around the city centre. You either had to use the docks or go via Salmon Weir bridge.
    True. Plus using these One Way systems on a Bike add's considerable distance to your journey. Also Merchants road and Dock Road are not roads you would recommend for Novice or Young/Old Cyclists. Fast Multi Lane inner city roads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Hope the users are told not to go via the pedestrian routes. It is/was bad enough with the rickshaws but I wouldn't fancy a gang of people on bikes coming at me on Shop Street.

    We may as well tell them to stop for red lights and not cycle the wrong way up one-way streets, too.

    But I don't think it would make much difference.




    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    To be honest I think shop st should be a 'tolerated' 2 way bike route until the delivery cut off at 11am. But that would be for commuters to know.

    Sending a tourist down a slippy wet shop st with peds meandering everywhere at 4pm, Meh!!!! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Sending a tourist any cyclist down a slippy wet shop st with peds meandering everywhere at 4pm, Meh!!!! :(

    That'd be like dogems without the bumper cars.:eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....

    Have you ever considered a job with the city council roads department? You sound like you would get on like a house on fire......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    We may as well tell them to stop for red lights and not cycle the wrong way up one-way streets, too.

    But I don't think it would make much difference.

    If a short bit of one-way street would really would tke a huge bit out of a journey, then unlike a car, a cyclist can just dismount and wheel their bike for that short distance. So really there's no excuse ....




    As galwaycyclist has pointed out repeatedly, cycling is door-to-door transport par excellence. In order to promote cycling in Galway City as the congestion-busting mode of travel it undoubtedly is, then attention to detail is important. That's the way they do things in Copenhagen, for example, which is why cycling is so easy and popular there.

    As someone who obeys traffic lights, and whose child was nearly hit by a two-wheeled red light breaker in Salthill recently, I generally agree with you on this point. That said, in Galway City cyclists don't respect traffic lights for several reasons, imho: they are not educated to do so, they are just going along with the general lack of respect for the RoTR evident in the city (eg footpaths are just extra road space, road markings are meaningless and speed limits are optional), there is no effective road traffic law enforcement, and traffic lights are not configured with cyclists in mind.

    With regard to one-way streets, there is no excuse for Galway City Council not to have provided rational and systematic exemptions for cyclists. As has been pointed out repeatedly, on Boards and elsewhere, the local authority was given serious advice as long ago as 1979 to keep one-way streets two-way for cyclists. They ignored those recommendations, naturally, with the result that the city's convoluted one-way systems represent a serious barrier to cycling as a convenient and efficient door-to-door mode of travel.

    The National Cycle Policy Framework rightly acknowledges one-way systems as inherently cycle-hostile and advocates their removal (for cyclists). The current City Development Plan also recognises this basic fact, and includes a provision to make one-way streets two-way for cyclists where feasible.

    For example, why should children have to take unnecessarily convoluted routes, break the law, or push their bikes to travel to and from school?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Please do not use this thread for general cycling discussion when there is a current thread here for that stuff.
    Cycling in the City
    This particular thread is about the Bike Scheme itself, not where/how to cycle.
    I understand there is a fine line but want to make a note before the signal drowns in general chat.

    FYI: I've moved over some posts from Scheme to Cycling thread so the flow can continue there. Thx.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    biko wrote: »
    Please do not use this thread for general cycling discussion when there is a current thread here for that stuff.
    Cycling in the City
    This particular thread is about the Bike Scheme itself, not where/how to cycle.
    I understand there is a fine line but want to make a note before the signal drowns in general chat.

    FYI: I've moved over some posts from Scheme to Cycling thread so the flow can continue there. Thx.

    With respect it is difficult to see how we can discuss bikeshare without discussing one-way streets it is one of the central issues.

    It is clear that the consultants who drafted the bikeshare report considered the issue of one-way streets and access through pedestrian areas to be of importance to their proposals. bold text mine

    Jacobs Report: Proposals for Introducing Public Bike Schemes in Regional Cities
    Large File (12.8 MB)
    http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Further-attachments-provided-with-response.pdf

    Recommendations are made on the complementary measures which would be needed as a new scheme is introduced. Perhaps the most important one would be an increase in permeability for cycle traffic in the city centres through the provision of two-way cycling on one-way streets, and by opening up pedestrianised areas to cycling where conditions allow.

    3.3 Galway
    A site visit was carried out to Galway in the early afternoon on a weekday. The initial impression of the level of cycling was similar to that of Cork as there was a presence of cyclists in the city centre (fewer than in Cork but the site visit was during the interpeak when cycling levels drop considerably). Cycle parking was relatively plentiful and well used. Many bikes were also seen parked informally i.e. locked to various items of street furniture. As in Cork, cyclists were seen using the footway in the contra-flow direction adjacent to one-way streets highlighting the need for contraflow facilities. The streets of Galway appeared to be particularly congested both in the city centre itself (below right) and also on the approaches, even in the inter-peak period.

    5.2.2 Cycle-Friendly Road & Path Networks
    Intuitively, a scheme would be more successful where there is a comprehensive network of cycle-friendly routes. This is not restricted to designated cycle routes but relates to how attractive/safe/navigable etc the whole of the deployment area is for cycling. An example of a cycle-friendly improvement on a city-wide scale is the legislation which permitted two-way cycling in all one-way streets with a 30kmh limit which was passed in France in 2010. As a result, the road network of Paris became a lot more navigable and permeable by bike, with no reported direct increase in casualties. The worst environment for cycling would include dual carriageways, high speed roads (with limits and/or speeds above 50kmh), gyratories and large roundabouts. The traffic mix also influences the environment – high flows of HGVs present a particular hazard to cycle traffic.
    5.4.2 Galway
    · Galway has a population of approximately 100,000 including 25,000 students. A typical city of this size would have a fleet of 200 bikes, and around 1500 registered members;
    · The assessment of Galway is that it is generally well suited to a bike sharing scheme. It clearly attracts a large number of tourists, the topography is either flat or quite gentle, there is a significant level of congestion in the city (even during the inter-peak), and car parking is relatively expensive, and timeconsuming to access. Although the one-way streets and pedestrianised areas make it awkward to navigate by bike, there are not many high-speed, multi lane sections are found in some of the other cities. The existing network, therefore, mainly poses a navigational, rather than safety, challenge to cyclists. It is considered that a Galway scheme would therefore attract an above-average number of users a fleet of 200 to 250 bikes;

    · Of the four, it is estimated that Galway and Cork are the best suited as they have more of the characteristics of the cities where bike-sharing schemes are successful;
    · An exploration of complimentary measures is recommended to increase the impact of any bike-sharing scheme. The key focus is likely to be the need to improve cycle-traffic permeability in the city centres particularly in one-way streets and pedestrianised areas. This will have the twin advantage of making cycle trips more advantageous over other modes, as well as making journeys more navigable;


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    A no-brainer really, but evidently a key point that needs to be highlighted over and over again.

    Perhaps the ideal set-up for a successful shared bike scheme in Galway would be a highly-permeable centre with a well-regulated 30 km/h speed limit and a tightly-controlled HGV management strategy. Not sure what else would be essential.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    A no-brainer really, but evidently a key point that needs to be highlighted over and over again.

    Perhaps the ideal set-up for a successful shared bike scheme in Galway would be a highly-permeable centre with a well-regulated 30 km/h speed limit and a tightly-controlled HGV management strategy. Not sure what else would be essential.

    Yes that would work for a start at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    In my opinion we just need the bikes.
    With more bikes the rest will adjust automatically.
    The city centre is already good for bikes and some bike lanes exist already.


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