Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 10:44am

Philster wrote: »

I'm a staff nurse almost 23 years and I have only ever been paid monthly, regardless of where I worked or my employer. Same for all my colleagues. I think some nurses on temporary contract are paid fortnightly.

No doubting that but I know different. Plenty paid monthly

Old diesel · 11-02-2019 10:54am

Clause 3 and 4 arguement

Clause 3 - if anything is done to address recruitment and selection and selection then no sector claims will be entered.

Clause 4 new nurse Pay to be addressed after the agreement.

Old diesel · 11-02-2019 11:08am

Nurses are probably going to argue that NOTHING has been done on recruitment and selection so a sector claim can still go in.

Under Clause 4 - the new nurse pay was apparently to be adressed after the agreement. Basically after the agreement end in 2020. But is now claimed to be being solved under the agreement. Hence opening the door to a why not solve the wider pay claim during the term of this agreement.

Thephantomsmask · 11-02-2019 11:14am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Does anybody know what happens to people who have outpatient appointments cancelled because of the strike? Do they get their appointments rescheduled as a priority or do they go to the back of the queue again?

We are prioritising, that is only the right thing to do. We send out appt letters about 3 weeks ahead so they won't be waiting too long thankfully even though there was no reason for our clinic to be cancelled at all due to the lack of nursing involvement. Again, no local HSE consultation before blanket cancellations.

jlm29 · 11-02-2019 12:42pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Wrong .... nurses are paid monthly ...
why oh why do you spout nonsense ?

This isn’t correct. In the hospital I work in currently, everyone is paid fortnightly, nurses included. It’s a hse hosp. The last hospital I worked in was voluntary, and everyone was paid monthly. So it depends on your hospital

brendanwalsh · 11-02-2019 12:46pm

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected.
Public support is waning.
Leo is holding strong.
Vive la resistancé!!

hawkelady · 11-02-2019 12:47pm

jlm29 wrote: »

This isn’t correct. In the hospital I work in currently, everyone is paid fortnightly, nurses included. It’s a hse hosp. The last hospital I worked in was voluntary, and everyone was paid monthly. So it depends on your hospital

I’m aware , I clarified my post early this morning .. just to say a large % of nurses are paid monthly ..

hawkelady · 11-02-2019 12:48pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected.
Public support is waning.
Leo is holding strong.
Vive la resistancé!!

Oh right ... throw up a link there regarding the public support ... or is it the voice in your head that’s telling you this ??

brendanwalsh · 11-02-2019 12:52pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Oh right ... throw up a link there regarding the public support ... or is it the voice in your head that’s telling you this ??

Did I touch a nerve.
Don't worry dear, you won't go cold or hungry. Why don't you work on improving your use of sophistry.

hawkelady · 11-02-2019 12:53pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Did I touch a nerve.
Don't worry dear, you won't go cold or hungry. Why don't you work on improving your use of sophistry.

No nerve touched ... I just like to correct lies , that’s all. Any sign of the link?

tayto lover · 11-02-2019 12:57pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected.
Public support is waning.
Leo is holding strong.
Vive la resistancé!!

“Public support is waning” ha ha

The public change like the wind. They will support/oppose something today but will do the opposite when it suits.
The purpose of a strike is to make things hard for the public otherwise they wouldn’t notice it. The public will swing towards blaming either side as they see fit BUT one thing is certain — they will need nurses before they need a TD.

All the nurses have to do is stick at what they’re at and maybe increase the strike days.

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 1:21pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected.
Public support is waning.
Leo is holding strong.
Vive la resistancé!!

I think poor Brendan is in his wee bubble if he thinks this. Support is most definitely there and him along with his blinkered friends david37, alloywheel and road_high are in the minority.

eagle eye · 11-02-2019 1:47pm

brendanwalsh wrote:

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected. Public support is waning. Leo is holding strong. Vive la resistancÃ©!!

Public support is not waning.

branie2 · 11-02-2019 2:11pm

I'm supporting the nurses, as they really looked after me when I was in hospital
for a few days at Christmas 2017 with cellulitis.

MrMusician18 · 11-02-2019 2:38pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Public support is not waning.

I didn't think public support was that strong really. It's all finger in the wind stuff anyway, there's no good hard data I've seen.

To be honest, I think intermittent strike should be illegal. All out or nothing.

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 2:46pm

I think nurses have a tough job as i saw when i was in hospital over xmas 2016, something i wouldn't like to do but i still dont think they deserve a payrise as i think they are paid very well and many jobs are tough that get paid alot less.

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:01pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Example of jobs?

Many private sector jobs that dont have near the benefits and pay that nurses have, fishermen, refuse collectors, mechanics, firefighter(not private sector i know) etc. Do you want me to go on. Dont try make out that nursing is the toughest job in the world.

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:04pm

I see you came to your senses and deleted your message about examples of tougher jobs than nurses feckthisgenie.

mad muffin · 11-02-2019 3:19pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nurses have bitten off more than they expected.
Public support is waning.
Emperor Leo is holding strong.
Long live the Empire!!

FYP…

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2019 3:25pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Many private sector jobs that dont have near the benefits and pay that nurses have, fishermen, refuse collectors, mechanics, firefighter(not private sector i know) etc. Do you want me to go on. Dont try make out that nursing is the toughest job in the world.

you clearly haven't a notion what the benefits and pay of firefighters are. I'd love a month off in the summer and six weeks off in the winter. the salary is pretty decent as well.

11-02-2019 3:37pm

Labour court's midmorning announcement didn't happen or hasn't been released to the media yet?

facehugger99 · 11-02-2019 3:43pm

If the Government stand firm until the end of the month, Nurses will see a much reduced pay packet in February,

It might soften their coughs a bit.

The longer the strike goes on the more information is getting out there regarding the already generous pay and allowances that nurses get.

The nurses union has overplayed it's hand. I think they expected a public clamor to put the pressure on the Government - hasn't happened so far.

RFOLEY1990 · 11-02-2019 3:46pm

Labour Court Meeting 15:30 today

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:49pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you clearly haven't a notion what the benefits and pay of firefighters are. I'd love a month off in the summer and six weeks off in the winter. the salary is pretty decent as well.

So just ignore the private sector jobs i mentioned. Good way to make a point.

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 3:51pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

I see you came to your senses and deleted your message about examples of tougher jobs than nurses feckthisgenie.

Go on name them and give examples of what makes them tough.
You will probably say it's tough sitting on your fat hole all day at a computer

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:54pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Go on name them and give examples of what makes them tough.
You will probably say it's tough sitting on your fat hole all day at a computer

ah yes back to the insults when you dont have an argument. Explain to me how a mechanic or fisherman or a painter for instance sits on there fat hole all day. Not the most intelligent nurse you i suspect.

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 3:54pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Many private sector jobs that dont have near the benefits and pay that nurses have, fishermen, refuse collectors, mechanics, firefighter(not private sector i know) etc. Do you want me to go on. Dont try make out that nursing is the toughest job in the world.

Great accountability in those jobs fishermen, bin men haha crazy person

Old diesel · 11-02-2019 3:54pm

Journal.ie reporting that the labour court is to intervene in the dispute

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:54pm

https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Fireman/Salary

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 3:57pm

Its always the docs that take the blame if anything goes wrong, why would a nurse take the blame when they dont do anything to treat a patient anyway, oh sorry they remove the bed pans every now and then.

facehugger99 · 11-02-2019 3:59pm

Is it just a coincidence that any nurse that posts on this thread comes across as incredibly rude and entitled?

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 4:01pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is it just a coincidence that any nurse that posts on this thread comes across as incredibly rude and entitled?

Quite dim too.

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 4:02pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Its always the docs that take the blame if anything goes wrong, why would a nurse take the blame when they dont do anything to treat a patient anyway, oh sorry they remove the bed pans every now and then.

I think they have HCA for that job. Ps I'm not a nurse but I know someone very close to me who is.
I would say you know sweet fa about what happens in the health service but thinks they're an expert

road_high · 11-02-2019 4:02pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

I think poor Brendan is in his wee bubble if he thinks this. Support is most definitely there and him along with his blinkered friends david37, alloywheel and road_high are in the minority.

You’re pretty typical of the union mad mindset. Attack anyone that disagrees or has a different POV rather than rationally thinking things through. This strike is after falling on its arse big time- patients are starting to suffer and thus the “caring” image of nurses is starting to wane. Which was their trump card. The state is holding firm and there’s no giving into these unwarranted demands. This week will see the nurses inflict more damage on themselves, that idiot they have as union head is a real loose cannon at this stage.

PhoenixParker · 11-02-2019 4:03pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Fireman/Salary

That website is not reliable, go straight to actual published figures by the unions or employing organisations for public sector salaries:

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2012-11-15a.477

road_high · 11-02-2019 4:04pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is it just a coincidence that any nurse that posts on this thread comes across as incredibly rude and entitled?

Fairly typical of how they behave in the media too. Totally uncompromising and deluded

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 4:04pm

I also know many nurses that are lovely people, it doesn't mean they deserve a payrise though.

brendanwalsh · 11-02-2019 4:14pm

Lovely stuff.
Labour court will undoubtedly side with the government and this is Phil's escape now from the pressure of the strike. Honestly she is in way over her head.

Telling no other nursing TU went on strike as they knew it would be breaking the agreement they had already signed up to.

11-02-2019 4:17pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

If the Government stand firm until the end of the month, Nurses will see a much reduced pay packet in February,

It might soften their coughs a bit.

Apparently in some hospitals, nurses are only striking on days for which they haven't been rostered to provide basic cover.

Even if a nurse was on strike for each of the 6 days, according to my back of the envelope calculations, the average nurse would be down about 850 euro in total. But if they're on the higher rate of tax anyway, that's effectively 425-odd euro.

In the long term, that's a small sacrifice, even if they get only a fraction of their demands.

feckthisgenie · 11-02-2019 4:20pm

road_high wrote: »

You’re pretty typical of the union mad mindset. Attack anyone that disagrees or has a different POV rather than rationally thinking things through. This strike is after falling on its arse big time- patients are starting to suffer and thus the “caring” image of nurses is starting to wane. Which was their trump card. The state is holding firm and there’s no giving into these unwarranted demands. This week will see the nurses inflict more damage on themselves, that idiot they have as union head is a real loose cannon at this stage.

You have done plenty of attacking with plenty of snide remarks so done come all high and mighty

hawkelady · 11-02-2019 4:32pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Quite dim too.

Would you call the nurses you know that they are “dim” ? I doubt you even have any friends , let alone ones that are nurses .. you come across very bitter tbh .. the type of dimwit that shakes his fist at the sky ..
anyway , we will know later on if the Labour court will achieve something to have the strikes that begin at 8am in the morning to be called off

trellheim · 11-02-2019 4:34pm

You’re pretty typical of the union mad mindset. Attack anyone that disagrees or has a different POV rather than rationally thinking things through. This strike is after falling on its arse big time- patients are starting to suffer and thus the “caring” image of nurses is starting to wane. Which was their trump card. The state is holding firm and there’s no giving into these unwarranted demands. This week will see the nurses inflict more damage on themselves, that idiot they have as union head is a real loose cannon at this stage.

you think Phil Sheedys driving this ? With a 95% mandate for action shes only carrying out members wishes.

Government can end this immediately they see fit. Get away with your guff about causing patient suffering. Every nurse I've talked to wants to get back to work with their pay properly equalized.

hawkelady · 11-02-2019 4:36pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is it just a coincidence that any nurse that posts on this thread comes across as incredibly rude and entitled?

I think they are entitled to be “rude” to the likes of you , after working a 13 hour day and reading the stuff you put up here .. I’d call them quite civilized !
where’s all you do is scratch yourself and stroll to the shops in your pjs for your family’s spaghetti and toast dinner !

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 4:36pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Would you call the nurses you know that they are “dim” ? I doubt you even have any friends , let alone ones that are nurses .. you come across very bitter tbh .. the type of dimwit that shakes his fist at the sky ..
anyway , we will know later on if the Labour court will achieve something to have the strikes that begin at 8am in the morning to be called off

Why would i call them dim when there not, i said the posters on here are quite dim, read full posts before replying in future. You are a prime example btw.

boardise · 11-02-2019 4:38pm

Apparently they have a skeleton staff in place ! Make no bones about it -that's a good move

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2019 4:40pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

So just ignore the private sector jobs i mentioned. Good way to make a point.

because is impossible to make a direct comparison as salaries vary. It is possible to make a comparison between firefighters and nurses and firefighters are much better paid with better benefits. You tried to make a comparison based entirely on your own ignorance.

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 4:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because is impossible to make a direct comparison as salaries vary. It is possible to make a comparison between firefighters and nurses and firefighters are much better paid with better benefits. You tried to make a comparison based entirely on your own ignorance.

Your making comparisons to suit your point. Please put up a link of firefighters salaries in 2018? Prove what you are saying, im not saying you are wrong but you have proved nothing. Your also essentially saying public sector are better paid than private so we cant compare.

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2019 4:43pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Your making comparisons to suit your point. Please put up a link of firefighters salaries in 2018? Prove what you are saying, im not saying you are wrong but you have proved nothing. Your also essentially saying public sector are better paid than private so we cant compare.

I am comparing nurses to firefighters. Both are public sector. so i am essentially not saying what you think i am saying and you are basically making up nonsense as you go along.

road_high · 11-02-2019 4:44pm

trellheim wrote: »

you think Phil Sheedys driving this ? With a 95% mandate for action shes only carrying out members wishes.

Government can end this immediately they see fit. Get away with your guff about causing patient suffering. Every nurse I've talked to wants to get back to work with their pay properly equalized.

If only they could magic up the billions this will cost in itself and knock on pay claims!
Of course patients will and are suffering. It might be just be “guff” to you but it’s real patients life and health they’re weaponising now.

iebamm2580 · 11-02-2019 4:45pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I am comparing nurses to firefighters. Both are public sector. so i am essentially not saying what you think i am saying and you are basically making up nonsense as you go along.

So we cant compare any job to nurse pay unless its public sector? Your just suiting your argument, my point was and is still valid that many jobs are tougher than nursing and dont get paid as much.

Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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