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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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    #1202
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,945 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If you would charge a lithium battery to 100% and discharge down to 0% it would have a very short life. Also when you let the battery get hot or cold while charging, battery life would be greatly reduced

    That's why all EVs have a clever battery management system (BMS) that checks temps, cools or heats the battery and let it charge only to a certain percentage (usually 90% or so) and not below a certain percentage (about 5% or so)

    If you keep a lithium battery at 20C at all times and only ever have it between 25% and 75%, it will last 100 years and still have plenty of capacity by then (60-70%) :cool:


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    #1203
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,501 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    slave1 wrote: »
    yes, both warranty's transfer



    No one knows yet, that model is only a few years old so we have no real world experience of battery replacement.
    Mrhamks for the tepky


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    #1204
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    slave1 wrote: »
    So in effect the car's software retains a consistent buffer throughout battery life (on the Ioniq), good to know
    All cars. Leaf etc is the same.


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    #1205
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,367 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Soarer wrote: »
    And it's not white!

    Think i prefer white to the grey/silver. At least in those pics it doesn't look very appealing.

    IMO, white with the black wrapped grill is quit nice.


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    #1206
    Round Cable
    Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Think i prefer white to the grey/silver. At least in those pics it doesn't look very appealing.

    IMO, white with the black wrapped grill is quit nice.

    At the weekend, I saw a white Ioniq, with a white wrapped "grill", and I have to admit, it looked well.


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    #1207
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,367 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Possibly the cheapest Irish Ioniq EV for sale so far
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/car/21540390

    5 years (3 left) of free servicing too it seems.

    Half tempted to take a look, though the grey/silver doesn't appeal to me.


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    #1208
    eagerv
    Registered Users Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Haven't seen many Ioniqs on the road, but I think white looks the best. And the boss agrees.:)


    As most in the country appear to be white I can understand why people in an area with a lot of Ioniqs would prefer something different.


    Think the black wrapped grill looks well, but didn't like the white wrapped in Waterford.


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    #1209
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,367 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    eagerv wrote: »
    Haven't seen many Ioniqs on the road, but I think white looks the best. And the boss agrees.:)


    As most in the country appear to be white I can understand why people in an area with a lot of Ioniqs would prefer something different.


    Think the black wrapped grill looks well, but didn't like the white wrapped in Waterford.

    I've seen this one online for a while now, and the total white never really appealed to me. Even wrapped the entire back of the car:
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-premium-5dr-automatic-full-electric-sat-nav/20985798

    ^^ NOT A BARGAIN


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    #1210
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,367 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    I've seen this one online for a while now, and the total white never really appealed to me. Even wrapped the entire back of the car:
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-premium-5dr-automatic-full-electric-sat-nav/20985798

    ^^ NOT A BARGAIN

    Dropped in price to 23k. I can't be the only one who just naturally assumes that dealership is dodgy? It's been for sale for ages too.

    On a side note, it seems like Ioniqs are dropping a bit in price.


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    #1211
    baldshin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭baldshin


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Dropped in price to 23k. I can't be the only one who just naturally assumes that dealership is dodgy? It's been for sale for ages too.

    On a side note, it seems like Ioniqs are dropping a bit in price.

    Reviews for that dealership suggest that a large amount of the cars they sell are write offs from the UK.


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    #1212
    DM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭DM1983


    My Tekna/SVE 24kwh 152 Leaf is for sale. Low enough mileage. 92% SOH in Leafspy and only 10 quick charges in its life. I think its priced well against others available. Can be viewed in Greystones.

    http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/nissan/leaf/used-2015-152-nissan-leaf-e-tekna-5dr-wicklow-fpa-201904066694503


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    #1213
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Link fixed

    https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/nissan/leaf/201904066694503


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    #1214
    DM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭DM1983


    kceire wrote: »
    Link fixed

    https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/nissan/leaf/201904066694503

    Much appreciated.


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    #1215
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    Could be for someone

    https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/29435999


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    #1216
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    gally74 wrote: »
    Could be for someone

    https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/29435999

    There's another one with frontal damage, same colour. I wonder what they'll end up going for. You could make repairs to one with bits from the other and still have the battery, drivetrain, wheels and interior spare. :D


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    #1217
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    White L40 Acenta, £19.5k

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904177088448?sort=price-asc&model=LEAF&year-from=2018&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=l10aa&radius=1500&make=NISSAN&page=1

    My stuff for sale on Adverts inc. outdoor furniture, roof box and EDDI

    My Active Ads (adverts.ie)



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    #1218
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No propilot on that model, worth noting
    Otherwise that's a pretty good deal as a second car/runabout for someone.


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    #1219
    ewj1978
    Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    40k miles in a year.. I'd love to see the SOh on the battery.


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    #1220
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    40k miles should be no issue, why would you think it would be?

    My stuff for sale on Adverts inc. outdoor furniture, roof box and EDDI

    My Active Ads (adverts.ie)



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    #1221
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    slave1 wrote: »
    40k miles should be no issue, why would you think it would be?

    I would imagine the problem would be the number of rapid charges in that time, and how much overheating it has suffered.


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    #1222
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,865 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Silent Running wrote: »
    I would imagine the problem would be the number of rapid charges in that time, and how much overheating it has suffered.

    The whole point of #rapidgate was that it didn't overheat, so there shouldn't be an issue.


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    #1223
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I dont think it's correct to say it didnt overheat.
    Rapidgate mitigated against it but it still allowed operation above 50 degrees C which for a Li-ion battery is too hot.


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    #1224
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I dont think it's correct to say it didnt overheat.
    Rapidgate mitigated against it but it still allowed operation above 50 degrees C which for a Li-ion battery is too hot.

    Have any data on that? Genuine question.


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    #1225
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    For which? Operation over 50 degrees is confirmed by many youtubers using leafspy including Bjorn

    Regarding the impact of operating above 50 degrees (45 degrees is actually the threshold), there are many papers produced on this. A quick google gives@
    https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharging_at_high_and_low_temperatures


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    #1226
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,945 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The Leaf can only charge at 1C anyway :p

    (Ioniq almost 3C / Tesla Model 3 over 3C)


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    #1227
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    1C with no cooling is arguably worse than 3C with good management and active cooling but thats another story
    Charging a leaf 40 at 47kW is about 1.1C-1.2C


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    #1228
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    50 degrees every so often is not the end of the world apart from the 1st generation LMO (pre-lizard) chemistry on L24. I have myself seen 50 degrees temps at 35 degree ambient so it does happen. And it also happens with the IONIQ battery. Tesla Model S apparently use LMO chemistly at least in some of the packs or parts of the pack for power density purposes and that's why they have to keep the pack temperature in check religiously in order not to heat damage the cells.

    As Nissan/Hyundai designed the charging system to allow temperature of excess of 50 degrees it must be safe for the batteries occasionally. The real question is have the makers using non-chilled cooling systems or passive cooling also optimised the chemistries to be more temperature resilient?


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    #1229
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Bargain or problem?
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/30-kwh-acenta-category-d/21725986


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    #1230
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Bargain or problem?
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/30-kwh-acenta-category-d/21725986

    It says Categpory D Salvage, for parts?


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    #1231
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,506 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I don't see anything about for parts?


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