Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

ButtersSuki · 08-08-2018 4:39pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The problem there is if the lads who drive the vans drive more than 37km a day, or anywhere longer than 1 hour, they’ll get their ‘long drive’ bonus as well as uplift for being ‘away from home’, which probably works out about €500 a day (€750 if they find their own accommodation).

(I pulled the above out of a hat, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not a million miles from the truth!! They have good unions in RTÉ)

You mean a la Joe Duffy and Full Crew heading to Arklow on a Thursday afternoon at 3pm and overnighting there for a Funny Friday show that started at 1:45PM the next day?

He has previous (and worse) on this - he once went to Cork on a Monday for a show on Friday and had a sub in for the Tuesday - Thursday shows so he could "rest" in advance of the 75mins air time (inc. breaks) on Friday.

He's also on his 33rd day off this year btw - in the first week of August. How many of you have had over 6 weeks off this year?

road_high · 08-08-2018 4:57pm

Kivaro wrote: »

And to think that Dee Forbes wanted to increase it to €175 earlier in the year.
She is so out of touch with reality ............. much like how RTE reports a lot of the news.

She, and the rest of the RTE executive board should be fired for disservice to the people of Ireland. And without severance pay.

The likes of me has to earn circa 300 euro to generate the cash to pay this exorbitant charge. If the doozy cow had any grasp on reality she might look to drastically reduce the fee and make it more affordable and more would pay....
RTE irritate me beyond words, you'd swear they were the only ones capable of public service broadcasting or news in general. They always have the Government of the day in their pockets too which is why you hear all kinds of nonsense about a broadcasting fee and Revenue to collect it- for me that's bordering on Police State territory- who exactly decided/decides we should this fee in the first place? I never re call being asked and pretty sure a large majority would favour it being democratically removed from law.

TheRiverman · 08-08-2018 5:04pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You mean a la Joe Duffy and Full Crew heading to Arklow on a Thursday afternoon at 3pm and overnighting there for a Funny Friday show that started at 1:45PM the next day?

He has previous (and worse) on this - he once went to Cork on a Monday for a show on Friday and had a sub in for the Tuesday - Thursday shows so he could "rest" in advance of the 75mins air time (inc. breaks) on Friday.

He's also on his 33rd day off this year btw - in the first week of August. How many of you have had over 6 weeks off this year?

I'm sure on many of those days off Liveline he is busy using our licence fees making other RTE programs :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Brendan Bendar · 08-08-2018 5:06pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

I'm sure on many of those days off Liveline he is busy using our licence fees making other RTE programs :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Popcorn tiiiiiime!

Aaaaaand away.........

ButtersSuki · 08-08-2018 5:11pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

I'm sure on many of those days off Liveline he is busy using our licence fees making other RTE programs :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Busy writing books about the death of children more like; which, when he's in, he'll plug to death (no pun intended).

Gunmonkey · 08-08-2018 5:48pm

road_high wrote: »

The likes of me has to earn circa 300 euro to generate the cash to pay this exorbitant charge. If the doozy cow had any grasp on reality she might look to drastically reduce the fee and make it more affordable and more would pay....

Why would they in their hole? Its not like Netflix or Sky having to price competitively, its backed up by law so they can do whatever they like and the gov/Revenue will enforce it! Given the bluster and BS out of Forbes, as soon as theres a system of forcing compliance (Revenue seemed to be tipped for this) that cost will spiral up as the blowback of people dropping paying it will be negated by the collectors being more proactive.

Give it ten years and wouldnt doubt it edging close to €250 a year.

road_high · 08-08-2018 5:57pm

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Why would they in their hole? Its not like Netflix or Sky having to price competitively, its backed up by law so they can do whatever they like and the gov/Revenue will enforce it! Given the bluster and BS out of Forbes, as soon as theres a system of forcing compliance (Revenue seemed to be tipped for this) that cost will spiral up as the blowback of people dropping paying it will be negated by the collectors being more proactive.

Give it ten years and wouldnt doubt it edging close to €250 a year.

It should be removed from law- whoever enshrined that on day one would want a kick up the hole. It’s not like laws around medicine or education things that actually matter

Muahahaha · 08-08-2018 5:59pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

He's also on his 33rd day off this year btw - in the first week of August. How many of you have had over 6 weeks off this year?

Would you post your Wurkday calendar here so people can get a sense of how lazy Duffy actually is

suicide_circus · 08-08-2018 6:10pm

and if you have the audacity not to help pay his enormous salary while having the audacity to own a television, the state can imprison you.

Man.Of.De.Peeple.

08-08-2018 6:18pm

I'd prefer if RTÉ spent the licence fee on world-class Irish documentaries/films/programmes that supported Irish jobs and promoted Irish culture, history, society & current affairs.

Paying a licence fee so that RTÉ can buy the rights to some American/British show or sport that you can watch for free off one of the foreign channels/online is a complete waste of our money. RTÉ could easily flourish without the money from advertising by cutting all the superfluous costs and becoming more focused on being an Irish public service, rather than a mere distributor of all that vacuous commercial crap from the US & Britain. Focus on producing top class public interest investigations, documentaries and all the other stuff worthy of respect. If, for financial reasons, that means RTÉ broadcasts for 7 hours a day rather than 17 hours it would be worth it if those 7 hours were top quality. That focus on Irish culture and issues should be the RTÉ niche public service in this increasingly monotone/globalised world.

ButtersSuki · 08-08-2018 8:24pm

Here to serve caller, here to serve:

Muahahaha wrote: »

Would you post your Wurkday calendar here so people can get a sense of how lazy Duffy actually is

TWODAY'S De Brand NEW & IMPROVED so to speak 2-18 Joe Duffy Wurkday Calculator and dat:

Wurkdays in 2-18 and dat: 152
Joe Shows: 119
No Show Joe Shows: 33
Breakeens 4 Joe: 33
PBH (de full-time host of de show) Shows: 28
PBH guest appearances and dat: 1
D'Omen Shows: 4
AN Udder Shows: 0
Good Fryday No Show by nobody at all at all: 1

NEW FEATURE SO TO SPEAK:
Fateen's Estimated Fees (De FEF Matrix so to speak) to date dis year:
AT LEAST €297,500*

(not including de EXTRA FEES for 3 days of De Beast From De East TV + Radio Simulcast Xtravaganza + likely "Danger Money" for travelling to and from wurk in de snow and dat).

*de fees are calculated at €2,500 per show x days dat Fateen is in so to speak. Dose fees are likely conservative and outdated as day are 2 years old so to speak.
I'm including Good Fryday as a Wurkday as it is not an official Bank Holiday/Holiday Day. Even Pat Kenny is in Newstalk FFS, but no-one in RTE of course of course.

DON'T FORGET -
"We're here all summer" sez he.

fritzelly · 08-08-2018 8:27pm

Did you add in the free advertising costs?

Muahahaha · 08-08-2018 8:28pm

Thanks ButtersSuki. 297,000 earned by Duffy so far this year while he has already taken six weeks holidays. The Irish people are being taken for mugs by RTE.

ButtersSuki · 08-08-2018 8:40pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you add in the free advertising costs?

I got an A in Honours Maths caller, not AstroPhysics. Also, my calculator only goes to 124 digits.

ButtersSuki · 08-08-2018 8:45pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thanks ButtersSuki. 297,000 earned by Duffy so far this year while he has already taken six weeks holidays. The Irish people are being taken for mugs by RTE.

At least - this is based on fees from a few years ago; there's not a chance in hell they haven't increased since.

The reason I include the holidays is to allow for increased fees + increased holidays being spun by RTE as a reduction in fees/no increase. The way RTE would have you believe it, a year to year comparison is accurate but that's just topline; the devil is in the detail. You need to compare no. of shows on a yearly basis and the cost per show in the form of fees.

fritzelly · 08-08-2018 8:51pm

You mean they don't tell you the show costs less to run when Joe is not "working" for them

RabbleRouser2k · 08-08-2018 9:10pm

iseegirls wrote: »

Superb point made there. The same horse racing events are covered year after year, but what about the ones that aren't just a few miles away from the M50 or in Galway. Racing festivals in the likes of Tramore, Gowran, Clonmel have probably never been covered live by them.

They may very well start covering those races-they've lost so much coverage to Tv3 and Sky, for example (Thanks Ryle Nugent). TG4 covers Listowel, and they do a darn good job of it too.

Have to do something to justify that license fee.

fritzelly · 08-08-2018 9:12pm

Always thought TG4 had far higher production values - damn even the weather reports are better than RTE, I mean c'mon

RabbleRouser2k · 08-08-2018 9:53pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Always thought TG4 had far higher production values - damn even the weather reports are better than RTE, I mean c'mon

Whoever is involved in budgetting and production costs is wringing every penny out of that, and definitely getting more bang for their buck.

If you compare, say, 'The Voice of Ireland' to 'Rogha agus Togha'-which were/ are both naff, but I digress- you see some quality production costs on the latter.
But the costs on the former were extremely high. Kathryn Thomas and co aren't cheap either.

The tg4 Weather crew are legendary on this isle, and their halloween stunts have gone global. The RTE weather crew are 'legendary' for all the wrong reasons-production screwups, many, many, many mistakes, and just an overall lack of quality.

fritzelly · 08-08-2018 9:58pm

Imagine what they could do with the money RTE get...

road_high · 08-08-2018 11:02pm

As I understand in other countries, including England with the BBC- they have a license fee like ours but as such they don't receive or generate advertising revenue as other private stations do.
Here we have the worst of both worlds- an extortionate and ludicrous subvention to keep an eye wateringly expensive gravy train going supported further by private advertising revenue. And far as I'm aware, they still can't make a profit or break even.
They are a classic quango living in a protected bubble hiding behind stupid legislation that keeps them there in the first place. The lot should be flogged off (not that there'd be many takers) and the "public broadcasting remit" tendered to prospective stations or production companies as appropriate.

Kivaro · 09-08-2018 9:21pm

With all that's going on in the world today, including the 29 children among dozens of others killed today in an air strike in Yemen, and things kicking off again in Gaza with the possibility of a large-scale military offensive by Israel in the Gaza Strip, but what does RTE kick off the 6.1 and 9 o' clock news?

Yes, the lead story on both news programs was about a scammer forcing her 6 children to sleep at a Garda station. Now they didn't use the word "scammer" or "scam artist", but that's what 95% of the population believe. I am sure though that the editors and investigators did a full and impartial research of the story. RTE in their thorough investigation though missed the scammer's Facebook page that exposed her true intent and dubious background, and they missed the many reported court appearances by the scammer and her history of anti-social behaviour and criminality.

RTE News is a disgrace with little to no credibility.

fritzelly · 09-08-2018 9:24pm

Care to share the FB page, read this in a few other places

But the sob story is always good for local news like RTE - they barely ever touch on world news unless they have a reporter there sapping up money from the licence payer

dxhound2005 · 09-08-2018 9:37pm

road_high wrote: »

As I understand in other countries, including England with the BBC- they have a license fee like ours but as such they don't receive or generate advertising revenue as other private stations do.
Here we have the worst of both worlds- an extortionate and ludicrous subvention to keep an eye wateringly expensive gravy train going supported further by private advertising revenue. And far as I'm aware, they still can't make a profit or break even.
They are a classic quango living in a protected bubble hiding behind stupid legislation that keeps them there in the first place. The lot should be flogged off (not that there'd be many takers) and the "public broadcasting remit" tendered to prospective stations or production companies as appropriate.

My understanding is that a licence fee plus advertising is quite common. You picked out the BBC, but they regard themselves as being an outlier in this respect.

kneemos · 09-08-2018 10:37pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thanks ButtersSuki. 297,000 earned by Duffy so far this year while he has already taken six weeks holidays. The Irish people are being taken for mugs by RTE.

Give Joe twice what he would be earning as a social worker,or whatever it is he was. Bet he stays.

aroundthehouse · 10-08-2018 4:11pm

Great to see the licence fee going to good use:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/lifestyle/wedding/rte-star-blathnaid-treacy-shows-off-elegant-engagement-ring-as-she-beams-in-dublin/ar-BBLK9Gf?li=BBr5KbJ&ocid=mailsignout

Mileys young one doing well for herself

jippo nolan · 10-08-2018 4:13pm

aroundthehouse wrote: »

Great to see the licence fee going to good use:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/lifestyle/wedding/rte-star-blathnaid-treacy-shows-off-elegant-engagement-ring-as-she-beams-in-dublin/ar-BBLK9Gf?li=BBr5KbJ&ocid=mailsignout

Mileys young one doing well for herself

RTE is like Hotel California, you check in but you can never leave!

Brendan Bendar · 10-08-2018 4:34pm

jippo nolan wrote: »

RTE is like Hotel California, you check in but you can never leave!

Bit like Carole Coleman and George Lee and Charles Bird and Valerie Cox

“You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave”

kneemos · 10-08-2018 4:43pm

Managed to lose Bowman and Pay Kenny,two epic political interviewers and replace them with Claire Byrne.

ButtersSuki · 10-08-2018 4:44pm

kneemos wrote: »

Managed to lose Bowman and Pay Kenny,two epic political interviewers and replace them with Claire Byrne.

Typo in bold? :pac:

steddyeddy · 10-08-2018 4:45pm

How many people who work in RTE got in because of relatives or friends who worked there?

DavidLyons_ · 10-08-2018 4:49pm

Kivaro wrote: »

With all that's going on in the world today, including the 29 children among dozens of others killed today in an air strike in Yemen, and things kicking off again in Gaza with the possibility of a large-scale military offensive by Israel in the Gaza Strip, but what does RTE kick off the 6.1 and 9 o' clock news?

Yes, the lead story on both news programs was about a scammer forcing her 6 children to sleep at a Garda station. Now they didn't use the word "scammer" or "scam artist", but that's what 95% of the population believe. I am sure though that the editors and investigators did a full and impartial research of the story. RTE in their thorough investigation though missed the scammer's Facebook page that exposed her true intent and dubious background, and they missed the many reported court appearances by the scammer and her history of anti-social behaviour and criminality.

RTE News is a disgrace with little to no credibility.

This needs highlighting in a big way.

Absolutely disgusting conduct by the national broadcaster.

Brendan Bendar · 10-08-2018 4:49pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

How many people who work in RTE got in because of relatives or friends who worked there?

75%?

If one digs deep enough.

RabbleRouser2k · 10-08-2018 6:22pm

kneemos wrote: »

Managed to lose Bowman and Pay Kenny,two epic political interviewers and replace them with Claire Byrne.

Well, Bowman I believe is retired or semi-retired. A fantastic impartial presenter who I always respected.

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

This needs highlighting in a big way.

Absolutely disgusting conduct by the national broadcaster.

I didn't know about her scams-damn, that's a surprise.

I noticed none of the news outlets have 'spoken' to the mother. And many are questioning where the kids dad(s) is/ are.
She certainly doesn't seem like a legit individual. She claimed she was offered a place but 'didn't like it'.

James Brown · 10-08-2018 6:37pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

How many people who work in RTE got in because of relatives or friends who worked there?

I worked in RTE...unpaid student....one time the lighting guy's daughter was on make up and the sound lad's daughter was on wardrobe.
How it works is they get in unpaid students for experience during the background slog and pre production, with the promise of credited paid work when it's being taped...but that's when the relatives come in and you hear nothing. Neither myself nor anyone else I'd worked with got the call back after weeks of 'experience'.

newbie2 · 10-08-2018 6:43pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I worked in RTE...unpaid student....one time the lighting guy's daughter was on make up and the sound lad's daughter was on wardrobe.
How it works is they get in unpaid students for experience during the background slog and pre production, with the promise of credited paid work when it's being taped...but that's when the relatives come in and you hear nothing. Neither myself nor anyone else I'd worked with got the call back after weeks of 'experience'.

lies

ninja 12 · 10-08-2018 7:49pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Nicky Byrne on 200,000 a year. Grinds my gears. Hes got such a punchable face too.

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Doesn't even take the co-presenter he needs to hold his hand and do everything for him into account, nor probably the extra production staff/makeup for his ego.

It's unforgivable, but still not as bad as the Lottie Ryan situation.

14 year old transition year students would have been better than her, and have done the job for free.

I was on a bus today and had the misfortune to hear RTE radio coming from the speakers for the entire trip .

This Nicky Byrne person was on with his co presenter ( I think there was two co presenters on for a few minutes as well )

He gets 200,000 Euros a year for this drivel ?

At one stage he was telling "jokes" to people who rang in .

I've heard better jokes from a cheap Christmas cracker .

As for the music selection , crappy dance music from Scooter , or similar ( remember them ?)
Sweet Jesus , how can anybody believe he warrants his salary .

Below , please find an open letter to Dee Forbes -

Dear Ms. Dee Forbes ,

Your organisation does not provide balanced unbiased news .

Your organisation does not represent value for money to the licence payer .

Your staff and "stars" are overpaid and most would find it near impossible to gain employment in a professionally run media organisation .

I suggest that you shove your "talented" stars the same place as the licence fee increase you want - up your hole !!!

:mad:

kneemos · 10-08-2018 8:03pm

2FM is an endless array of gibberish. Dunno who the hell it's meant to appeal to.

fritzelly · 10-08-2018 8:42pm

Saw this on politics.ie

http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/162528-abolish-tv-licence-fee-11.html#post11325851

And that graph doesn't even give the full picture
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/what-does-your-licence-fee-pay-for-top13

Gives some idea of the value for money that the Irish licence fee gives

RabbleRouser2k · 10-08-2018 9:34pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Saw this on politics.ie

http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/162528-abolish-tv-licence-fee-11.html#post11325851

And that graph doesn't even give the full picture
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/what-does-your-licence-fee-pay-for-top13

Gives some idea of the value for money that the Irish licence fee gives

And they still pay their high profile presenters less than RTE does.

fritzelly · 10-08-2018 9:56pm

Take a look at Graham Norton - where do all the big stars go to advertise their film etc?

He's paid a fortune and makes a fortune for the channel - and not a penny is taken from Joe Public for it, we have the LLS trolling out the same ol' same ol'

aroundthehouse · 13-08-2018 10:54am

I see RTE are trotting out the now annual, "lets make up some sort of show for brendan o connor because we fecked him over by hiring ray darcy"
more endless tripe and "gossip" with some z lister, first up is majella o donnell, a woman who happens to be married to a singer auld ones love... and this is what dee forbes wants us to folk out for a licence for?

Mackmatic · 13-08-2018 10:57am

I'm not paying a TV license when I don't even have any channels coming into the gaf.

Take me to court you absolute clowns.

aroundthehouse · 13-08-2018 2:17pm

Oh dear what dreadful news:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/miriam-ocallaghan-admits-her-saturday-night-show-may-not-return-to-rte-following-hiatus/ar-BBLPIkd?li=BBr5HCU&ocid=mailsignout

valoren · 13-08-2018 2:31pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Take a look at Graham Norton - where do all the big stars go to advertise their film etc?

He's paid a fortune and makes a fortune for the channel - and not a penny is taken from Joe Public for it, we have the LLS trolling out the same ol' same ol'

I guess there is a bigger cache of viewers in the UK to flog their wares to and so it's a case of two birds with one stone as the show is aired here too. Norton's pay for me is justified because he is brilliant at pretending that the films and songs the guests are promoting are great, although in fairness I'd say the celebs themselves feel the same way but it's a case of I scratch your back, you scratch mine. The typical way that an A-Lister might appear on the Late Late is if the product they're promoting has something or anything to do with Ireland.

AndyBoBandy · 13-08-2018 2:41pm

aroundthehouse wrote: »

Oh dear what dreadful news:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/miriam-ocallaghan-admits-her-saturday-night-show-may-not-return-to-rte-following-hiatus/ar-BBLPIkd?li=BBr5HCU&ocid=mailsignout

from said article;

"The stunning broadcaster"

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 3:45pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

from said article;

"The stunning broadcaster"

Perhaps they mean stunning like being stunned after being hit by a stray hurley ?

Feeling vaguely dizzy and wanting to throw up ?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 13-08-2018 3:56pm

I've never had a TV licence and have been living out of home for 10+ years.

ButtersSuki · 13-08-2018 3:59pm

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I've never had a TV licence and have been living out of home for 10+ years.

I've had one 20+ years. Where do i apply for a refund?

steddyeddy · 13-08-2018 5:20pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I worked in RTE...unpaid student....one time the lighting guy's daughter was on make up and the sound lad's daughter was on wardrobe.
How it works is they get in unpaid students for experience during the background slog and pre production, with the promise of credited paid work when it's being taped...but that's when the relatives come in and you hear nothing. Neither myself nor anyone else I'd worked with got the call back after weeks of 'experience'.

My cousin had the same experience. Following extensive work experience and interning she was lead to an interview by a RTE employee who informed her that the position had already been filled and she shouldn't get her hopes up.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore