Jordan Peterson interview on C4

Zubeneschamali · 24-01-2020 6:45pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

But hey, don't let such a thing as a well reasoned argument or a healthy approach to ego derail you and your issue with a beef diet. Good

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

Dyr · 24-01-2020 6:47pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you believe the diet miracle cure story, then you're in real danger of believing anything

What I don't believe is your posts because you cant back them up.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 6:51pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

I addressed the benzo addiction in my first post. He went into detox after realising it had developed and unsuccessfully trying to detox himself, something that is immensely difficult and dangerous.

I don't see your point? A man developed an issue with a highly addictive prescribed medication, tried to resolve it himself and then sought help. Is there something wrong with this?

24-01-2020 6:52pm

He's Canadian too..the prick..

silverharp · 24-01-2020 7:49pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

No need to guess at what you'd do. You'd skip past giving Peterson's miracle cure diet the benefit of the doubt and go straight to evidence based medicine. But for the sake of argument and with nothing at stake, you can continue to pretend the diet might actually be more than a conjob.

you are hallucinating his position , he isn't promoting it, if I remember when he was on joe rogan he pretty much said the opposite. so basically you are saying you don't like him because of what he eats. this is fine, im sceptical of vegans myself :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 7:50pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Don't forget the benzo addiction, we can all aspire to that, right?

Clearly not something to aspire to, but I'm loathe to kick him while he's down. I just hope he's getting proper, evidence based, treatment. And I'm sure he is because he probably wouldn't mess about with his own health.

The cognitive dissonance amongst his fans is interesting though. Selling his daughters nonsense diet business must be a bit embarrassing for his fans. The solution is to criticise those who highlight it.

LaFuton · 24-01-2020 9:49pm

he said meat and greens on joe rogan... presume he's not just talkin about a lettuce garnish. kales, peas, beans, spinach, pak choi, bok whatever its a pretty comprehensive diet.
he was just givin out about carbs on the interview i saw anyway, like a lot of healthness fitness ppl

Dyr · 24-01-2020 10:04pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

His daughter, who's business he's promoting, claims to be on the beef salt and water diet (with vodka and bourbon). She claims any other foods cause terrible side effects but vodka and Bourbon are totally fine.

It's not Complicated. It's just saying the diet works and charging people money for it. And people will buy it. You believed it before you even knew what it was. That's what the Petersons see counting on.

You kept referring to him selling this diet and now he's just promoting it

From what I can see his daughter is selling membership of some sort of support group or consulation rather than a diet.

Any luck finding directs quotes to back up your claims peppered throughout this thread? Or are you still expecting everyone to take your word for all of this? Because that's asking a lot tbh, you don't seem very reliable.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 10:13pm

It's amazing how JP lives rent free in this chap's head.

Also, the willy nilly throwing around of the term 'psychoanalysis'. If you truly feel everyone is psychoanalysing you, it'd be interesting to hear what a real analyst would make of that :pac:

24-01-2020 10:22pm

Daddy issues probably..

Silentcorner · 24-01-2020 10:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Daddy issues probably..

It's narcissism...we are in an epidemic...I blame twitter!

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 10:27pm

Bambi wrote: »

You kept referring to him selling this diet and now he's just promoting it From what I can see his daughter is selling membership of some sort of support group or consulation rather than a diet.

Any luck finding directs quotes to back up your claims peppered throughout this thread? Or are you still expecting everyone to take your word for all of this? Because that's asking a lot tbh, you don't seem very reliable.

I've said loads of times that he's selling the diet for his daughter's financial and status gain.

If I showed you a quite of him banging on about the miraculous benefits of the diet, you'd dismiss it. So what's the point?

Zubeneschamali · 24-01-2020 10:30pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

If you truly feel everyone is psychoanalysing you, it'd be interesting to hear what a real analyst

A real psychoanalyst is like a real astrologer or a real phrenologist.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 10:35pm

Guava Juice wrote: »

What do you mean when you say I defended him, what did I say specifically?

On what basis is it made up, the only person with a certain belief on this seems to be you, driven by your personal hatred of Jordan Peterson.

There is nothing miraculous about what both Jordan Peterson and his daughter are claiming. If you remove grains, refined sugars and and vegetable oils you will likely see significant benefits. I doubt very much the diet needs to be as specific as his daughter's. Even then, in the interview I watched he said it worked for him and it might not work for other people. I would expect symptoms to abate by applying such a diet, his claims are not implausible. Could he be lying, yes of course, like anyone could be. Do I personally get offended if he is lying, nope, that would insane. Who cares if someone is lying.

You spent the day trying to amateur psychoanalyse me because I criticised the Petersons miracle cure diet. This was before you even looked up whet the diet was. Pretty standard. Someone criticises Peterson so you criticised them using amateur psychoanalysis.

It's interesting to see someone do it so blatantly - without even knowing what they were talking about.

Have you seen the cure claims he made about the diet? Genuine question.

Ted_YNWA · 24-01-2020 10:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think El dude is just trolling at this stage..

Mod

You've been around the block on here long enough to know, that on thread is not the way to call people out as trolling.

24-01-2020 10:42pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Mod

You've been around the block on here long enough to know, that on thread is not the way to call people out as trolling.

Read back over the last fifteen pages of him ignoring everything anyone said to him and just going on about the bloody diet and tell me he's not trolling..

Jimmy Bottlehead · 24-01-2020 10:48pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

A real psychoanalyst is like a real astrologer or a real phrenologist.

I'm aware. Just as you're aware of how silly you look axcusog others of 'analysing' you.

4/10 for deflection.

Ted_YNWA · 24-01-2020 11:26pm

Mod

Can everyone stop pseudo-psychoanalysing each other. All it is doing is adding unnecessary tension.

I think we get it at this stage El Duderino 99 - you don't like the diet. You can stop beating that drum.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2020 11:34pm

I'll say no more about the diet. If you buy that nonsense, you're a proper Peterson fan. No doubting your credentials. In fact I bet some people would believe what he says before they even know what he said. Oh wait....

Just a point of information, someone else brought it up this morning. I responded to them. I’ll say no more about it.

Junkyard Tom · 25-01-2020 12:02am

https://youtu.be/r8ngDnWwFBI?t=65

SeanW · 25-01-2020 1:20am

I must admin I am not overly familiar with the Petersons diets or their autoimmune conditions.

But having watched that video a few things become clear:
1) He prefaced his statements with "I'm not an expert on nutrition, this is only anecdotal" type disclaimers. He flat out admitted, numerous times, that in terms of the science he had no little to no idea what he was talking about.
2) He also stated that each person or family might be different in terms of what causes problems for whom.
3) There seemed to be some agreement between Jordan and Joe that common problems are the Western diet of today, including observations of general low-carb diets, vegan diets etc.
4) At no time was he trying to sell anything.

I suspect that the posters problem is either one of two things:
1) El duderino hates JP for other reasons, e.g. his contradiction of general leftist ideology.
2) ED09 is a militant vegan who despises JP for suggesting people might benefit from eating more meat instead of carbs. This would explain why a position so milquetoast as "well this is what has worked for me and my family" becomes "OMG JBP is horrible snake oil salesman conning people into eating MEAT. BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO STOP EATING MEAT The MONSTER!!!!! HOW HORRIBLE !!!!!!!"

Ted_YNWA · 25-01-2020 4:39am

Mod

Guava Juice has been banned for issues outside of this topic. It will be a waste of time interacting with them.

Please don't discuss further, just noting this as they were active in last few pages for some disclosure.

ILoveYourVibes · 25-01-2020 6:01am

I find it funny that he was adamantly against the Canadian human rights act but now he is actually protected by the Americans with disabilities act as an addict and that protects his contracts job etc. And he has criticized such policies before and said questionable things about people with disabilities.

Oh the irony.

I imagine a lot of companies who published him and academic or medical institutions that hired him are worried about their liability now

El_Duderino 09 · 25-01-2020 2:45pm

SeanW wrote: »

I must admin I am not overly familiar with the Petersons diets or their autoimmune conditions.

But having watched that video a few things become clear:
1) He prefaced his statements with "I'm not an expert on nutrition, this is only anecdotal" type disclaimers. He flat out admitted, numerous times, that in terms of the science he had no little to no idea what he was talking about.
2) He also stated that each person or family might be different in terms of what causes problems for whom.
3) There seemed to be some agreement between Jordan and Joe that common problems are the Western diet of today, including observations of general low-carb diets, vegan diets etc.
4) At no time was he trying to sell anything.

I suspect that the posters problem is either one of two things:
1) El duderino hates JP for other reasons, e.g. his contradiction of general leftist ideology.
2) ED09 is a militant vegan who despises JP for suggesting people might benefit from eating more meat instead of carbs. This would explain why a position so milquetoast as "well this is what has worked for me and my family" becomes "OMG JBP is horrible snake oil salesman conning people into eating MEAT. BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO STOP EATING MEAT The MONSTER!!!!! HOW HORRIBLE !!!!!!!"

Since I was asked to not discuss the topic, it's probably only fair to stop referencing me as part of the topic.

Why do posters think they can think they can read my mind and is a coincidence that they're defending JP when they do it? Is it a case of watching a few JP lectures on psychology, hear a couple of references to Freud and Jung and thinking they're psychoanalysts or experts in psychology?

If you want to know what I think, you can ask. If you don't ask, don't presume to know. You're wrong on both of those points above BTW, but I don't suppose that will dent your confidence in your mind reading abilities.

flexcon · 26-01-2020 8:08pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You spent the day trying to amateur psychoanalyse me because I criticised the Petersons miracle cure diet. This was before you even looked up whet the diet was. Pretty standard. Someone criticises Peterson so you criticised them using amateur psychoanalysis.

It's interesting to see someone do it so blatantly - without even knowing what they were talking about.

Have you seen the cure claims he made about the diet? Genuine question.

I’m here reading this post and smiling confidently.

A few months ago it looked like I had the classic symptoms of MS.

Coincidently I read a book called the grain drain.

After one month my symptoms receded to literally nothing.

My neurologist cannot explain it although as he put it - the brain is a complicated machine. Placebo can convince you of something.

However the end result is I have an appointment next month and so far my symptoms are gone. Zip.

No dizziness, no muscle twitching, no vertigo. I’m ****ing flying it.

Could I honestly say it was JP who convinced me? Nah. But I am my own case study and so far no carbs keto has been grea in some
Many miracle ways. I’m in love with it - For now.

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2020 8:28am

Peterson's year of 'absolute hell'

Jesus:

[his daughter]and her husband took him to Moscow last month, where he was diagnosed with pneumonia and put into an induced coma for eight days. She said his withdrawal was “horrific,” worse than anything she had ever heard about. She said Russian doctors are not influenced by pharmaceutical companies to treat the side-effects of one drug with more drugs, and that they “have the guts to medically detox someone from benzodiazepines.”

Jordan Peterson has only just come out of an intensive care unit, Mikhaila said. He has neurological damage, and a long way to go to full recovery. He is taking anti-seizure medication and cannot type or walk unaided, but is “on the mend” and his sense of humour has returned.

sbsquarepants · 14-02-2020 8:52am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I find it funny that he was adamantly against the Canadian human rights act but now he is actually protected by the Americans with disabilities act as an addict and that protects his contracts job etc. And he has criticized such policies before and said questionable things about people with disabilities.

Such as?

I'm by no means knowledgeable about Peterson, i haven't read any of his books for example - but i have seen a fair bit of him on you tube and various other shows etc and i have to say he seems like a rock of sense to me.

I just can't see why the hatred for the man - i find him eminently likeable. Maybe i just haven't seen the right clips but i have never seen him be anything but kind to any group of people.

He calls bullshít when he sees it, but that's hardly a bad thing is it?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Oh the irony.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I imagine a lot of companies who published him and academic or medical institutions that hired him are worried about their liability now

Why so?

He's not a fúcking meth head - one of the things he has been warning might happen to others has happened to him. If anything it proves he was right to be concerned!

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2020 8:55am

That's horrific, if true.

I wonder what his next book will be about...

Anyone know what's the story with going to Russia for treatment?

sbsquarepants · 14-02-2020 9:11am

The gist of it that i got was that there are a subset of people who become rapidly very physically dependent on benzos at prescription doses. The detox for these people is very dangerous and the American centres he went to weren't too inclined to take the risk.

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2020 9:34am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The gist of it that i got was that there are a subset of people who become rapidly very physically dependent on benzos at prescription doses. The detox for these people is very dangerous and the American centres he went to weren't too inclined to take the risk.

My read is that his nutso daughter trusts Russian quacks.

FTA69 · 14-02-2020 10:47am

Isn’t he the lad writing books about self-discipline and rules for life etc and now he’s gone mad on benzos and eats nothing but steak? Sounds like the type of lad we shouldn’t be listening to at all really.

Wibbs · 14-02-2020 11:03am

FTA69 wrote: »

Isn’t he the lad writing books about self-discipline and rules for life etc and now he’s gone mad on benzos and eats nothing but steak? Sounds like the type of lad we shouldn’t be listening to at all really.

Ahh I dunno FT. Ignoring Peterson for a while I could never get with this notion that someone is, or should be a perfect reflection of their works. The message isn't always the man. It often isn't. I mean Ghandi was a pervert with a god complex, Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Many of the greatest geniuses of humanity that moved us forward as a species in science, philosophy, art were as people complete weirdos and pricks. To the degree that it often seems to be a prerequisite.

B0jangles · 14-02-2020 11:05am

With the money he has made in the last few years, surely he has access to absolutely the best medical care in the world - why on earth would he choose to go to Russia for medical treatment?
You'd think that US/Canadian doctors would be very experienced with the best, safest ways to treat people with serious addiction issues? I think I heard he was put in a medically-induced coma for over a week - is that really a clinically-proven detox method? It sounds very strange to me.

sbsquarepants · 14-02-2020 11:14am

B0jangles wrote: »

With the money he has made in the last few years, surely he has access to absolutely the best medical care in the world - why on earth would he choose to go to Russia for medical treatment?
You'd think that US/Canadian doctors would be very experienced with the best, safest ways to treat people with serious addiction issues? I think I heard he was put in a medically-induced coma for over a week - is that really a clinically-proven detox method? It sounds very strange to me.

He strikes me as a very smart man, and he could certainly afford the best, maybe he reckons the Russians are the ones to provide it.

Seems to me that every 2nd American is addicted to something because of their doctors. Their whole system seems to be based on a pill for every ill, even when the ill is other pills!

Hoop66 · 14-02-2020 11:16am

Wibbs wrote: »

Ahh I dunno FT. Ignoring Peterson for a while I could never get with this notion that someone is, or should be a perfect reflection of their works. The message isn't always the man. It often isn't. I mean Ghandi was a pervert with a god complex, Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Many of the greatest geniuses of humanity that moved us forward as a species in science, philosophy, art were as people complete weirdos and pricks. To the degree that it often seems to be a prerequisite.

I would agree, but then the question arises: what has Peterson done to advance us as a species? As far as I can see his output consists of outrageous statements designed to create uproar and keep his name in the public eye.

sbsquarepants · 14-02-2020 11:17am

Hoop66 wrote: »

I would agree, but then the question arises: what has Peterson done to advance us as a species? As far as I can see his output consists of outrageous statements designed to create uproar and keep his name in the public eye.

What outrageous statements?

B0jangles · 14-02-2020 11:19am

Right now he strikes me as being a very vulnerable man - he's obviously deeply unwell, I believe his wife is also very unwell so I'm wondering if the majority of these decision are being made by his daughter, who is the person who claimed that eating nothing but beef cured all of her ills.

I hope for his sake there is someone else involved - a legal advisor who has the authority to intervene if they think his best interests are not being represented.

EmmetSpiceland · 14-02-2020 11:23am

Hoop66 wrote: »

I would agree, but then the question arises: what has Peterson done to advance us as a species? As far as I can see his output consists of outrageous statements designed to create uproar and keep his name in the public eye.

You forgot referencing reams of “studies” that no one is ever going to try and dig out to challenge what he’s said.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 14-02-2020 11:25am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What outrageous statements?

I'd also love some examples of Peterson's "outrageous statements."

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2020 11:32am

Wibbs wrote: »

Ahh I dunno FT. Ignoring Peterson for a while I could never get with this notion that someone is, or should be a perfect reflection of their works. The message isn't always the man. It often isn't. I mean Ghandi was a pervert with a god complex, Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Many of the greatest geniuses of humanity that moved us forward as a species in science, philosophy, art were as people complete weirdos and pricks. To the degree that it often seems to be a prerequisite.

True enough. But where does it turn into hypocrisy? And should hypocrisy matter? Martin Luther loved a bit of philandering but that isn’t really relevant to his civil rights cause.

If a bloke sells a miracle cure for anxiety (among other things) and is at the same time using drugs to deal with his anxiety, when does it become hypocritical?

The stuff about standing up straight, smell the roses, clean your room, pet a cat and wear suncream, is grand. It blends in with the kind if stuff your grandad or Betty down the post office would tell you. So I’d say that’s not affected by hypocrisy or the drug addiction. But the miracle cure for anxiety must be a bit of an embarrassment for anyone who swallowed it without much scrutiny because the great JP said it.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2020 11:39am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What outrageous statements?

The climate denial stuff, the meat diet stuff, the trans stuff. It was all about the marketing of outrage. He sides with his target market (conservative American men) on every topic. He threw a red meat diet to his base.

Hoop66 · 14-02-2020 11:43am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What outrageous statements?

OK, this is the bit where I quote some of things he's said and you say "that's not an outrageous statement"

No thanks.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2020 12:12pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Isn’t he the lad writing books about self-discipline and rules for life etc and now he’s gone mad on benzos and eats nothing but steak? Sounds like the type of lad we shouldn’t be listening to at all really.

Wibbs wrote: »

Ahh I dunno FT. Ignoring Peterson for a while I could never get with this notion that someone is, or should be a perfect reflection of their works. The message isn't always the man. It often isn't. I mean Ghandi was a pervert with a god complex, Martin Luther King was a philanderer. Many of the greatest geniuses of humanity that moved us forward as a species in science, philosophy, art were as people complete weirdos and pricks. To the degree that it often seems to be a prerequisite.

I read 12 rules. It's a mix of old school Dad advice, ranting about lefties and likening them to Stalinists and some truly bizarre Grandpa Simpson-esque nonsense about existence.

Karl Marx was a notorious antiSemite, even for his time and spent his life sponging off of Friedrich Engels, Padraig Pearse was almost certainly a child molester, Dr. Seuss was a notorious philanderer whose wife took her own life, etc... While it's not hard to find many more such examples, a lot of these people make significant cultural and philosophical contributions. I see none of this from Peterson.

sbsquarepants · 14-02-2020 12:13pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The climate denial stuff, the meat diet stuff, the trans stuff. It was all about the marketing of outrage. He sides with his target market (conservative American men) on every topic. He threw a red meat diet to his base.

As i've said, i'm not all that knowledgeable on the man but anything i've heard him say about the meat thing was his personal experience or his daughters experience. If they say it's worked for them who the hell is anyone to argue?

I mean it's a fúcking weird diet, but if you're judging the man based on what he eats for dinner, maybe you're being a bit too judgemental!

The trans thing? I've heard him talk about trans athletes, is that what you mean? If so i agreed with everything i heard him say, i didn't hear anything outrageous.

I've never heard him speak on climate change but this is what wikipedia says

Climate change

Peterson doubts the scientific consensus on climate change,[135][136] saying he is "very skeptical of the models that are used to predict climate change,"[137] and that "[y]ou can't trust the data because too much ideology is involved".[136][138]

It's hardly that outrageous is it?
Are scientists not supposed to be skeptical and weary of ideology?

Hoop66 wrote: »

OK, this is the bit where I quote some of things he's said and you say "that's not an outrageous statement"

No thanks.

OK.

I'll just take your word on it so shall I:rolleyes:

Can you even give me a hint - at least tell me how outraged i should be!

Dyr · 14-02-2020 12:23pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Padraig Pearse was almost certainly a child molester, .

"Almost certainly" lets imagine the chap was still alive, would you be confident in making that statement?

Would ya f**ck

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2020 12:26pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

As i've said, i'm not all that knowledgeable on the man but anything i've heard him say about the meat thing was his personal experience or his daughters experience. If they say it's worked for them who the hell is anyone to argue?

I mean it's a fúcking weird diet, but if you're judging the man based on what he eats for dinner, maybe you're being a bit too judgemental!

The trans thing? I've heard him talk about trans athletes, is that what you mean? If so i agreed with everything i heard him say, i didn't hear anything outrageous.

I've never heard him speak on climate change but this is what wikipedia says

Climate change

Peterson doubts the scientific consensus on climate change,[135][136] saying he is "very skeptical of the models that are used to predict climate change,"[137] and that "[y]ou can't trust the data because too much ideology is involved".[136][138]

It's hardly that outrageous is it?
Are scientists not supposed to be skeptical and weary of ideology?

OK.

I'll just take your word on it so shall I:rolleyes:

Can you even give me a hint - at least tell me how outraged i should be!

Yes absolutely those statements were all about outrage. The trans stuff in Canada made him famous. He didn't get famous by telling young lads to stand up straight.

It doesn't matter whether you personally agree with his statements or not. That's a function of whether he said things designed for you to agree with or not. The objective was outrage and that's what he achieved.

Seriously, the climate change stuff. What he says is exactly the conclusion his American conservative market already has. He just provides an intellectual sounding facade to it.

Same with a literal red meat diet curing his anxiety while also taking medication for anxiety. Like saying he had a headache so he prayed and took a paracetamol and his headache went away so he credits prayer and doesn't mention the medication. Couldn't parody it.

The outrage is what keeps him relevant. If all he did was the books, neither of us would know his name.

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2020 12:27pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Peterson doubts the scientific consensus on climate change,[135][136] saying he is "very skeptical of the models that are used to predict climate change,"[137] and that "[y]ou can't trust the data because too much ideology is involved".[136][138]

It's hardly that outrageous is it?

It is usual for internet blowhards and right wing shills for the petro industry, but unusual for a scientist.

Of course his area of study was psychology, which is not much to do with climate change or beef diets. Should have told him something about anxiety and benzo addiction though, and I don't think recommended treatment is getting yourself into an induced coma with brain damage in a Moscow clinic.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2020 12:31pm

Bambi wrote: »

"Almost certainly" lets imagine the chap was still alive, would you be confident in making that statement?

Would ya f**ck

See below:

LITTLE LAD OF THE TRICKS

by Padraig Pearse.

Little lad of the tricks,
Full well I know
That you have been in mischief:
Confess your fault truly.

I forgive you, child
Of the soft red mouth:
I will not condemn anyone
For a sin not understood.

Raise your comely head
Till I kiss your mouth:
If either of us is the better of that
I am the better of it.

There is a fragrance in your kiss
That I have not found yet
In the kisses of women
Or in the honey of their bodies.

Lad of the grey eyes,
That flush in thy cheek
Would be white with dread of me
Could you read my secrets.

He who has my secrets
Is not fit to touch you:
Is not that a pitiful thing,
Little lad of the tricks ?

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2020 12:41pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

See below:

Sweet suffering Jesus.

Had to google it to see if it’s real. I had never heard anything about this before.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2020 12:49pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sweet suffering Jesus.

Had to google it to see if it’s real. I had never heard anything about this before.

Mad, isn't it?

It'd be a very easy thing to suggest that a Catholic who founded a boys home would be sexually motivated but this... How did this even get published?

Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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