Weather in the Media: TV, TABLOIDS etc.

Villain · 15-12-2014 2:27pm

I'll be on Liveline later trying to tell people to ignore the nonsense forecasts from Madden etc

Kermit.de.frog · 15-12-2014 3:06pm

Some of the stuff in parts of the media (one paper in particular) has been really atrocious the last few days. The worst I have ever seen actually.

Evelyn Cusack is spot on but sadly wasting her time with the merry band of con men and spoofers.

Oscar Bravo · 15-12-2014 3:37pm

here we go!

Harry Palmr · 15-12-2014 3:49pm

Ah now all that common sense, you'll never shift newspapers with that! :pac:

PukkaStukka · 15-12-2014 4:01pm

patmac wrote: »

This article has been sponsored by the Fuel Suppliers of Ireland.

...who obviously are equally as worried about the current plunge in oil prices and whether or not they will get away with passing it onto the consumer.

patmac · 15-12-2014 4:08pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

...who obviously are equally as worried about the current plunge in oil prices and whether or not they will get away with passing it onto the consumer.

Well they will be praying the freeze comes as sales have been very slow in this sector with the unseasonably mild weather in September , October and most of November, they will be delighted by these misleading articles in the Indo in particular.

Jpmarn · 15-12-2014 4:39pm

It is surprising that the Irish Independent should run a front page headline on the polar vortex. It is more common for the red tops like the Mirror or the Star.

Son0vagun · 15-12-2014 10:53pm

Jpmarn wrote: »

It is surprising that the Irish Independent should run a front page headline on the polar vortex. It is more common for the red tops like the Mirror or the Star.

Are they just saying it to sell news papers?

JCX BXC · 15-12-2014 10:53pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Are they just saying it to sell news papers?

You hit the nail on the head.

ben.schlomo · 15-12-2014 11:12pm

Jpmarn wrote: »

It is surprising that the Irish Independent should run a front page headline on the polar vortex. It is more common for the red tops like the Mirror or the Star.

You must have missed the last 5 years when the Indo turned red obviously.

_Whimsical_ · 15-12-2014 11:58pm

Jpmarn wrote: »

It is surprising that the Irish Independent should run a front page headline on the polar vortex. It is more common for the red tops like the Mirror or the Star.

patmac wrote: »

This article has been sponsored by the Fuel Suppliers of Ireland.

And who are among the fuel suppliers of Ireland?
Denis O'Brien owns Topaz Oil which supplies home heating oil and, oh wait, he also owns The Irish Independent as part of Irish Independent Media Group...
I only remembered that today. Suddenly a lot of things made sense.

delahuntv · 16-12-2014 5:56pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

...who obviously are equally as worried about the current plunge in oil prices and whether or not they will get away with passing it onto the consumer.

Actually fuel suppliers love lower oil prices - pump prices are then lower and people drive more.

Of the current €1.38 average, only 32c +vat is the actual oil price itself. If oil was free, you'd still be paying €1 at the pump. (refining about 8c-12c, distribution & retail about 11c, duties 59.6c & vat 26c).

As for this indo - weather is their daily hysterical headline, but people seem to be joking about it now rather than reading anything into it.

BuilderPlumber · 17-12-2014 2:52pm

Irish newspapers are a total joke at this stage. I was horrified to see the FRONT PAGE of the Indo was about might be weather 'predictions'. Surely, this is anything but news and is scaremongering.

The reality is that true extreme weather events such as the 24 December 1997, 26 December 1998 and 12 February 2014 hurricanes and the 27 November 2010-26 December 2010 prolonged snow were not predicted at all. After the 1997 and 1998 events, we were told that hurricanes would become a feature of Irish winters. A lesser such event happened around Christmas 1999 but nothing as bad occurred again until late 2013 and nothing as bad as 1997 or 1998 happened until 2014.

With the current predictions for snow, we are entering into the same old tired scaremongering. 2010 was a once off in a generation event I never saw before. I remember at the time that when it receded late St Stephen's day at the time that it was a 'brief respite' and it would be 'back with a vengeance in January'. It didn't come. Then, it was to be February. Early 2011 in fact turned out very mild. Then, snow was due St Patrick's day. Instead, that day was like summer. Then, snow came around Halloween in the US and we were told winder 2011/12 was going to be 'worse than 2010'! It was a very mild winter. Now, 2012 was mild and moderate. 2013/14 was bad for different reasons (hurricanes). So, now we are due some snow again by the media it seems.

Snow and ice is scary for people who are isolated and have to travel to work. Scaremongering about events that are anything but certain (and probably won't even happen) is stupid and putting it on the front page of a paper is ludicrous. But with the economic bad news waning somewhat and Irish Water loosing its appeal, the papers latch onto the weather again to sell their stupid rags.

What can be predicted: 10 days is the furthest into the future that can be predicted. Even this is a rough idea and may not pan out entirely as predicted. Anyone can predict that the period between now and mid March will bring dry, wet, cold and mild weather. Snow may or may not occur. Same with all types of weather. But cold and mild and wet and dry are certain to feature!

aisling86 · 17-12-2014 3:03pm

You might need to relook the current weather charts & models........

Its Only Ray Parlour · 17-12-2014 3:14pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The reality is that true extreme weather events such as the 24 December 1997, 26 December 1998 and 12 February 2014 hurricanes

It's amazing how little people know about hurricanes. Hurricanes are tropical storms. They can only develop within the tropics, which is about 3500km south of Dublin and they usually lose their hurricane status when they move into the subtropics, which is about 2000km south of Dublin. Hurricanes are more powerful with higher gusts and sustained winds.

European windstorm

Hurricane

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Kermit.de.frog · 21-12-2014 2:48pm

Gave my thoughts on the new weather presenter for UTV Ireland which starts in January. Fair play to her and I have nothing against her whatsoever but...

https://twitter.com/utvireland/status/546640838286389249

I would rather someone presenting the weather who actually works for a met agency or is at the very least a graduate in meteorology at some level to be perfectly honest.

That is one of RTE's strengths.

Originally Posted by Molester Stallone II View Post

Why? it doesn't take a degree to point at the map and read the autocue

The BBC and RTE respectively use professional meteorologists in the main from the UK Met Office and Met Eireann. That is why their broadcasts tend to be more interesting and informative than, say, TV3.

Because they know about the complex science that they are presenting and they can parse this information very well for the viewer in a way that is easy to understand but also engages with them and keeps them interested.

But no substance trumps substance these days I guess. It's all dumbing down at the end of the day and it is contemptuous for the audience which (again TV3) assumes that the public are a bit too dim to be able to interpret basic, standard weather charts which I also suspect will be absent.

Don't expect anything TV3 does not offer basically which is not much. It's disappointing in my opinion but not surprising.

I wonder will Met Éireann be providing the data for these forecasts. I don't think they provide it for TV3 though I could be wrong. I know the UK Met Office provides data for UTV in the north.

RobertKK · 25-12-2014 11:26pm

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/548240419172388864

RobertKK · 25-12-2014 11:49pm

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/548240627155365888

sunbabe08 · 26-12-2014 12:38am

feck that, damn it Daily Express i want to know why baby George did not attend the christmas mass. :P

once again i see the tabloids going for such crazed sensationalist headlines.

JCX BXC · 26-12-2014 1:20am

Checking the Met Eireann site clears up the eejits argument.

Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday: Gradually becoming milder as the high shifts to the east allowing a southerly airflow to develop. Still dry next Tuesday then some rain possible for next Wednesday and New Year's Day in southerly winds and temperatures back to over 10 degrees.

Lumi · 28-12-2014 11:43am

Christmas special with John Creedon, Nuala Carey and George Lee looking back at the Weather in 2014

RTÉ One, Monday 29th December, 6.30pm

Cantona's Collars · 29-12-2014 7:08pm

Lumi wrote: »

Christmas special with John Creedon, Nuala Carey and George Lee looking back at the Weather in 2014

RTÉ One, Monday 29th December, 6.30pm

Was just about to post this.I seem to always find myself watching repeats of weather shows on More4 etc. but there's very little on Irish weather considering how we are usually at the mercy of the Atlantic.

Harry Palmr · 29-12-2014 7:13pm

More4 is now the weather channel!

Kalyke · 29-12-2014 8:18pm

Nice flood protection scheme in Fermoy... But isnt the water treatment plant in Fermoy BUILT on a flood plain??

leahyl · 29-12-2014 8:23pm

Very interesting show I must say

Oneiric 3 · 29-12-2014 8:54pm

leahyl wrote: »

Very interesting show I must say

I watched it too, thought it was interesting enough but found it quite lacking as an overview of the actual weather for the year as a whole. Some of the stats given by John Creeden seemed a little bit baffling to say the least.

elecktras weather bomb · 05-01-2015 1:18am

"good lord" the husband just bolted in the front door told me its end of days next week to start preparing for big freeze. jeez did I need to ask any questions I asked what rag paper had he been reading? poor old James at it again Ireland to be hit harder than uk this time round. I firmly believe he uses other peoples good research and transfers them into his own words. he never seems to have any foundation on what his ideology is. does he approach papers ? he has made a few with the latest saga tonight lol

Villain · 05-01-2015 10:17am

Yep the Mirror had it again yesterday! http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-weather-arctic-conditions-bring-4917588

howlinwolf · 05-01-2015 1:46pm

Irish weather: Arctic conditions to bring sub-zero temperatures and heavy snowfall

Exacta Weather James Madden said the prolonged bitter weather is likely to stretch into February

I see the mirror is trying its hand at selling a few more papers, you would think after maddens big snowmagedden prediction for late November/early December didn't pan out that he would tone down his warnings a little ...this lad should really be shot with a ball of his own sh**

Loughc · 05-01-2015 2:13pm

This time of year they tend to run with either Snowmagedden or Break Through in the Madeleine McCann case as shallow attempts to sell newspapers on slow news days.

droidman123 · 05-01-2015 2:16pm

It doesnt matter if he is right or wrong,people in here are giving him and the daily rags free advertisement every time they highlight them on here.so from a business point of view you have to admire them, and as long as people keep posting links to their headlines,they will continue to publish their tripe.

Oneiric 3 · 05-01-2015 2:35pm

droidman123 wrote: »

from a business point of view you have to admire them.

Sorry, but no you don't. Admiring people who exploit the ignorance of others - and blatantly profit from it, rather than helping to enhance their knowledge and understanding on whatever topic is on hand, is just plain immoral. Nothing to be admired at all.

Larbre34 · 05-01-2015 4:51pm

Ireland's barmy weather of 2014 reviewed says the Rag-do. Barmy being their word, on an overall very very average year, save for a couple of extreme events.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wet-warm-sunny-and-windy-a-look-back-on-2014-30883049.html

droidman123 · 05-01-2015 5:37pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Sorry, but no you don't. Admiring people who exploit the ignorance of others - and blatantly profit from it, rather than helping to enhance their knowledge and understanding on whatever topic is on hand, is just plain immoral. Nothing to be admired at all.

its remiss of you to call the readers ignorant.they are a business, and its happy days for them when people keep posting ridiculous stories that they print here. that's exactly what they love and people keep doing it for them. people will believe what they want to believe, it doesn't change the fact that people keep giving madden and the rags free advertising on here.

JCX BXC · 05-01-2015 5:55pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Sorry, but no you don't. Admiring people who exploit the ignorance of others - and blatantly profit from it, rather than helping to enhance their knowledge and understanding on whatever topic is on hand, is just plain immoral. Nothing to be admired at all.

I disagree. From a business point of view, you can exploit whatever the hell you want as long as you make a healthy profit. Personally I would love to shoot the lot of them for severe ignorance, but I cant do that can I?

Oneiric 3 · 05-01-2015 7:19pm

droidman123 wrote: »

its remiss of you to call the readers ignorant.they are a business, and its happy days for them when people keep posting ridiculous stories that they print here. that's exactly what they love and people keep doing it for them. people will believe what they want to believe, it doesn't change the fact that people keep giving madden and the rags free advertising on here.

It is not remiss at all. The definition of ignorance according to the OED is "lack of knowledge or information', and it is in this sense that I use the term. Most people, and I include myself in this group, are ignorant to the basics of Meteorology, as they are in most other everyday topics & genres, such as politics, economics, and so forth. Trash tabliodism plays on this and exploits it without relent. Why? to keep readers hooked, panicked, wanting more - and all without the reader gaining one shred of knowledge about the subject being discussed. End result? profit without accountability or justification. I couldn't give a toss if this is seen as a 'good business' strategy' that is to be admired, because ethically, it stinks. Those who profit from exploiting their fellow human beings in such an obscene manner, and do so without conscience, deserve no respect or admiration.

Oneiric 3 · 05-01-2015 7:23pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

I disagree. From a business point of view, you can exploit whatever the hell you want as long as you make a healthy profit.

Really? is this some enshrined mantra that I, in my ignorance, have never heard of before?

numilus cimbus · 05-01-2015 8:42pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Really? is this some enshrined mantra that I, in my ignorance, have never heard of before?

Nah just the first time you've heard it perhaps, a down side to being on the internet, you get exposure to views other than your own group
I'd get used to it

droidman123 · 05-01-2015 8:52pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

It is not remiss at all. The definition of ignorance according to the OED is "lack of knowledge or information', and it is in this sense that I use the term. Most people, and I include myself in this group, are ignorant to the basics of Meteorology, as they are in most other everyday topics & genres, such as politics, economics, and so forth. Trash tabliodism plays on this and exploits it without relent. Why? to keep readers hooked, panicked, wanting more - and all without the reader gaining one shred of knowledge about the subject being discussed. End result? profit without accountability or justification. I couldn't give a toss if this is seen as a 'good business' strategy' that is to be admired, because ethically, it stinks. Those who profit from exploiting their fellow human beings in such an obscene manner, and do so without conscience, deserve no respect or admiration.

can you not see that we are of the exact same opinion? the problem I have is people slag off madden and others, and then proceed to post links to their predictions? it just doesn't make sense. on one hand they are ridiculing the news story,then they give it free airtime on here

Clonmel1000 · 11-01-2015 2:13pm

Villain wrote: »

Yep the Mirror had it again yesterday! http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-weather-arctic-conditions-bring-4917588

Probably worth reading this work of fiction again just to remind us realistic observers of the weather the type of ramping rubbish that is out there....

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 17-01-2015 5:11pm

Some more measured and restrained reporting from the Daily Mail

droidman123 · 17-01-2015 5:47pm

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Some more measured and restrained reporting from the Daily Mail

Britain braced for deadly freeze: Arctic blast so severe it could kill one person every seven minutes, charity warns, with temperatures set to plummet to -15C tomorrow and yet MORE snow on the way

Why are you advertising this rubbish by posting it here?

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 17-01-2015 8:02pm

droidman123 wrote: »

Why are you advertising this rubbish by posting it here?

This thread, titled 'Weather in the Media: NEWSPAPER ARTICLES etc.' is full of similar links to rubbish tabloid articles concerning the weather and I posted the link since I thought it was in the context of the thread and would be of interest to readers as another example of the over the top weather related reporting that is becoming more prevalent in the tabloid media.

droidman123 · 17-01-2015 10:40pm

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

This thread, titled 'Weather in the Media: NEWSPAPER ARTICLES etc.' is full of similar links to rubbish tabloid articles concerning the weather and I posted the link since I thought it was in the context of the thread and would be of interest to readers as another example of the over the top weather related reporting that is becoming more prevalent in the tabloid media.

yes I know this thread is full of links to tabloid rubbish, that's what irks me.surly the title was intended to be links to sensible weather related articles though. the point I am making is people keep ridiculing these alarmist articles and at the same time giving them free advertisement by posting them here,doesnt make sense. next winter and the one after that and the one after that etc etc will still see the redtops carry these ridiculous stories,we all know that,but its really becoming tiresome to see people laughing at them and then posting links here

JCX BXC · 17-01-2015 11:15pm

droidman123 wrote: »

yes I know this thread is full of links to tabloid rubbish, that's what irks me.surly the title was intended to be links to sensible weather related articles though. the point I am making is people keep ridiculing these alarmist articles and at the same time giving them free advertisement by posting them here,doesnt make sense. next winter and the one after that and the one after that etc etc will still see the redtops carry these ridiculous stories,we all know that,but its really becoming tiresome to see people laughing at them and then posting links here

Im not sure I agree with you.

Read the first post. Its about global warming BS. They are on every year too!
Weather in the media is hardly confined to articles that you approve of. Different articles appear all the time, so different people post them in this thread which is called "Weather in the Media: NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES etc." not "Sensible weather stories in the media".

Besides, if it was called the latter, their would be no posts in here.

droidman123 · 18-01-2015 1:53am

Carnacalla wrote: »

Im not sure I agree with you.

Read the first post. Its about global warming BS. They are on every year too!
Weather in the media is hardly confined to articles that you approve of. Different articles appear all the time, so different people post them in this thread which is called "Weather in the Media: NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES etc." not "Sensible weather stories in the media".

Besides, if it was called the latter, their would be no posts in here.

Take your point,but I think you are missing what I am saying.if people post ridiculous articles about weather from rag newspapers fair enough,but what bugs me is people posting these articles while ridiculing them, can't they see they are laughing at them but at the same time giving them free advertising by posting links to them here? If people think those alarmist weather predictions are so stupid,why highlight them? It only gives the rags credence to keep printing them.

Harry Palmr · 27-01-2015 2:34pm

So then the mayor of New York City says on advice on people who know about this sort of thing that the city will be shut down in all but name, then the snow storm turns out to be a bit less dramatic than feared and now the media is full of coverage about that fact and should he get an ear-full.

Meteorite58 · 10-03-2015 9:20pm

Is Ireland adequately prepared for the flooding caused by a year of high tides?

Very interesting Prime time on RTE last week looking at the year coming saying there will be a series of Super tides especially in September,we are to expect some of the highest tides in 20 years! Debate also about how to tackle coastal erosion.

In some cases I think the only long term solution and financially viable options will be relocation for some residents, as for the cities? Another interesting article about the West of Ireland sinking, that wont make pleasant reading for the occupants in low lying areas of Galway .

http://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2015/0306/685043-prime-time-05-03-2015/

http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/2015/03/10/geologist-finds-evidence-of-connemara-drowning-at-sea/

Hooter23 · 31-03-2015 10:25pm

Hailstorms blamed for spate of traffic collisions on motorway

Freak hailstone storms have been blamed by the National Roads Authority (NRA) for a spate of traffic accidents and road closures on a €207 million stretch of motorway.

In a letter to Clare Fine Gael TD Joe Carey, the authority’s programme and regulatory manager Gary Lynch has attributed incidents along the M18 route to intense hailstorms.

Mr Lynch was responding to Mr Carey’s concerns over the high number of incidents on the route between Crusheen and Gort. The road first opened to traffic in 2010.

Mr Lynch wrote that “there would be a particular problem associated with hailstorms along the M18 which seem to be more frequent along this route than at other locations throughout the national road motorway network”.

He wrote: “It was such a hailstorm on January 13th, 2015, which resulted in skidding accidents and the closure of the road for a time by the gardaí.”

An earlier hailstorm on the M18 route near Newmarket-onFergus in February 2014 resulted in five separate car crashes during a 10 minute period that resulted in Gardaí, six units of the fire brigade and two ambulances arriving at the scene.

Intensity - Mr Lynch said “it is worth noting that some of the hailstorms recorded had such intensity that at one time they caused the road temperature to drop by approximately 5 degrees Celsius in a 30 minute period”.

Mr Lynch discussed the conditions experienced on the M18 with the head of forecasting at Met Éireann, Gerald Flemingwho “noted that these localised, short and intense hail showers are virtually impossible to predict or forecast even with Co Clare being well covered with the Met Éireann station and radar at Shannon”.

Mr Lynch said that “with this in mind, the only action for a road operator when faced with these conditions is to implement operations to mitigate the hazard for the road user as far as frequently practicable . . . On many of the days that hail has occurred, the gardaí have taken the decision to close the road – in some cases as a precaution and on others in relation to the response of incidents on the network

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hailstorms-blamed-for-spate-of-traffic-collisions-on-motorway-1.2159253

Thargor · 09-04-2015 1:21pm

The Guardian is laying into the Daily Express's lunatic weather forecasts today:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/apr/09/daily-express-weather-warning-beware-a-shower-of-extreme-inaccuracy

Weather in the Media: TV, TABLOIDS etc.

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