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    #1592
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Looking at worldometers they are around 40th in the world for tests per million?

    Maybe that's why he didn't say anything about tests per million then.


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    #1593
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    2u2me wrote: »
    Woke types may project faux outrage but we all know it's not real.

    Exactly, which I personally think is quite frightening, how millions of people can instantly all go into faux outrage mode, be it about non-existent racism or accusations that someone has told people to inject bleach. Not a beat is missed and all instantly outraged in unison.

    As for Weijia, she's the same one who said a White House official had called the Coronavirus "Kung-Flu" to her face.

    Remove her access to the WH at this stage.


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    #1594
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Maybe that's why he didn't say anything about tests per million then.

    Dunno man, not sure he's too up on the stats tbh.


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    #1595
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    threeball wrote: »
    It is abysmal. Even our testing is better and we don't even have labs. Donnie claims they are the best at everything, when they're only really better than the UK who gave up weeks ago

    It's not abyssal, you're comparing apples with oranges, as many States are doing very well in the US (so far) with regards to cases and so it makes no sense to have high testing in them.

    New York, on the other hand, has a very high number of cases and the testing there reflects that, with 61,000 tests per million compared with our 44,000 per million.


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    #1596
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    threeball wrote: »
    It is abysmal. Even our testing is better and we don't even have labs. Donnie claims they are the best at everything, when they're only really better than the UK who gave up weeks ago

    What do you mean we don’t have labs?! Where do you think we’re are doing the testing? The kitchen sink?


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    #1597
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    The media moan about testing. The administration have an hour long presser on testing which shows that they are doing more testing that some of the counties the press heralded as having the holy grail in testing numbers. Leftist media proceed to ask snarky attempted gotcha questions, one even pathetically playing the race card, so he thanks them and leaves. Removing their access to pressers is what he needs to do at this stage, as they are just preventing the much needed information getting to the public by hijacking these pressers in this manner.


    Are you still going to defend the biggest loser man-baby in the galaxy?


    Why are you hitching your wagon to this ponce? Is it because you can't admit you were wrong in stuffing your tongue up the rectum of a loser who you were convinced was a winner?


    Just admit that he's as useless as tits on a fish and you might salvage some dignity...or keep defending the schmuck and look like a bigger one yourself.


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    #1598
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    2u2me wrote: »
    I was trying to make the point that there is acceptable risk in normal everyday life.
    Where is that acceptable amount of risk when it comes to coronavirus. Is 1 death too many?

    The initial projections of how deadly this virus is seem off nearly by an order of magnitudue.




    Then would you care to tell the benefits of an automobile in comparison to the deaths that arise, directly or indirectly, from that technological development?


    Whilst you crunch those numbers can you come up with the benefits of not allowing a disease to spread as opposed to taking measures to isolate, contain and eradicate it?


    As an addendum to your hypothesis can you tell us all how the 100s of deaths from cycling might merit abolition of said activity given the millions of deaths that don't occur from such a pastime?




    In conclusion...what is an "order of magnitude"?


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    #1599
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    It's not abyssal, you're comparing apples with oranges, as many States are doing very well in the US (so far) with regards to cases and so it makes no sense to have high testing in them.

    New York, on the other hand, has a very high number of cases and the testing there reflects that, with 61,000 tests per million compared with our 44,000 per million.

    So it seems that Trump simple message is actually quite nuanced and needs to be taken in context rather than the simple selective version he is trying to portray.

    And you wonder why the journalists keep asking questions?

    Do you actually think the press, protected by the constitution in the same way as gun ownership, should be shut down and refused access to POTUS. Don't you accept the constitution?


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    #1600
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,499 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    2u2me wrote: »
    Woke types may project faux outrage but we all know it's not real. They're starting to consider Asian Americans as just as 'privileged' as white people because the gap in earnings, education etc.. isn't anywhere near that of 'other minorities'.

    The ‘Whitening’ of Asian Americans

    Harvard and other institutions put a cap on the amount of Asians allowed into their schools. This was because apparently Asians were over represented.

    The judge who ruled on the case said:


    Where was the outrage then? Non-existent.

    Race-conscious admission policies were embraced by the wokes to the detriment of Asians. Disgusting.

    Asian Americans and Jews are definitely not flavour of the month with progressive America.


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    #1601
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    It's not abyssal, you're comparing apples with oranges, as many States are doing very well in the US (so far) with regards to cases and so it makes no sense to have high testing in them.

    New York, on the other hand, has a very high number of cases and the testing there reflects that, with 61,000 tests per million compared with our 44,000 per million.

    Are you honestly trying to claim NYs testing rate has anything to do with Trump?


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    #1602
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    It's not abyssal, you're comparing apples with oranges, as many States are doing very well in the US (so far) with regards to cases and so it makes no sense to have high testing in them.

    New York, on the other hand, has a very high number of cases and the testing there reflects that, with 61,000 tests per million compared with our 44,000 per million.

    The sign says most testing. If we are talking per capita it is a flat out lie. If it isn't then we need to discuss why the US has had 5 times as many cases as anywhere else and 3 times as many deaths. The sign does not say most appropriate amount of testing.

    The issue with testing was speed and numbers. The best example of this is south Korea who had a massive amount of testing immediately, got the virus under control and then scaled down (I also note even they have had issues opening up and they are better than pretty much all US states).

    Ireland was late, it has caught up admirally but is paying for being late. The US was later than even Ireland and is desperately playing catch up. You mention New York which has nearly a 1/3 positive rate and New Jersey is worse. That is what playing catch up does. The US missed the boat and cost lives and won't even admit it made a single mistake.


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    #1603
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭threeball


    Xertz wrote: »
    What do you mean we don’t have labs?! Where do you think we’re are doing the testing? The kitchen sink?

    We have two labs capable of doing the testing. Its why we are outsourcing our testing to Germany in order to up our numbers.


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    #1604
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,384 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Maybe that's why he didn't say anything about tests per million then.

    "I came 1st in the Dublin Marathon!"
    "What are you talking about? You came 12,532nd!"
    "Er... I came first out of everyone who came 12,532nd or lower! Duh!"


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    #1605
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,585 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The sign says most testing.
    The sign says the US leads the world in testing...a claim that can be interpreted in different ways.


    One way is to look at overall test numbers, in which case the US has done more tests than any other numbers, so does 'lead' in that sense. In other interpretations, such as per capita testing, it's obviously not the US that is leading


    I'd take much more issue with the "GERMANY AND THE UNITED STATES ARE THE TWO BEST IN DEATHS PER 100,000 PEOPLE" claim, which can only be reasonably interpreted one way and simply isn't true at all.


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    #1606
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So it seems that Trump simple message is actually quite nuanced and needs to be taken in context rather than the simple selective version he is trying to portray.

    To be fair you're describing just about every politician there is; world-wide.


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    #1607
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Christy42


    osarusan wrote: »
    The sign says the US leads the world in testing...a claim that can be interpreted in different ways.


    One way is to look at overall test numbers, in which case the US has done more tests than any other numbers, so does 'lead' in that sense. In other interpretations, such as per capita testing, it's obviously not the US that is leading


    I'd take much more issue with the "GERMANY AND THE UNITED STATES ARE THE TWO BEST IN DEATHS PER 100,000 PEOPLE" claim, which can only be reasonably interpreted one way and simply isn't true at all.

    Indeed it can. And on a total basis they do lead the world in testing. However if that is how we are measuring it then we should be consistent and only look at total deaths and cases instead of the per capita numbers. In which case it leads the world with over 5 times as many cases and well over double the deaths.

    You don't get to pick and choose statistics. Total numbers wouldn't be my of measuring things but it is more important to be consistent.


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    #1608
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,585 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Christy42 wrote: »
    You don't get to pick and choose statistics. Total numbers wouldn't be my of measuring things but it is more important to be consistent.
    You absolutely do though, it's a fundamental part of politics.


    I think there isn't a hope of Trump being consistent, when he doesn't care about even being truthful.


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    #1609
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    osarusan wrote: »
    I'd take much more issue with the "GERMANY AND THE UNITED STATES ARE THE TWO BEST IN DEATHS PER 100,000 PEOPLE" claim, which can only be reasonably interpreted one way and simply isn't true at all.

    That is being ignored now, I have asked if that could be labelled as "fake news" or "peddling of fake narratives".
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    When someone is at Level 11 constantly, with regards to their fury at the man, no matter how bloody trivial the perceived offence, well then I have to question how genuine it all is, and I do.

    If someone is constantly calling out the MSM for peddling fake narratives against Trump but will not apply the same to Trump you would have to question how genuine it all is, and I guess we all do.


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    #1610
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    2u2me wrote: »
    To be fair you're describing just about every politician there is; world-wide.

    100% agree.

    But the majority of the rest of the worlds politicians do not get shirty when the media raises a question.


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    #1611
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    If someone is constantly calling out the MSM for peddling fake narratives against Trump but will not apply the same to Trump you would have to question how genuine it all is, and I guess we all do.

    The MSM pretends to be the shining light that saves democracy.

    Trump basically admits to being a narcissist.

    To be elected president you just have to be popular. No credentials required.

    To be a proper journalist you should have integrity.


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    #1612
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    2u2me wrote: »
    The MSM pretends to be the shining light that saves democracy.

    Basically so does Trump.


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    #1613
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    2u2me wrote: »
    The MSM pretends to be the shining light that saves democracy.

    Trump basically admits to being a narcissist.

    To be elected president you just have to be popular. No credentials required.

    To be a proper journalist you should have integrity.

    So should a president!


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    #1614
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looking forward to season 2 of the COVID daily Trump press conferences in the fall :pac:


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    #1615
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    2u2me wrote: »
    The MSM pretends to be the shining light that saves democracy.

    Trump basically admits to being a narcissist.

    To be elected president you just have to be popular. No credentials required.

    To be a proper journalist you should have integrity.

    Half the "journalists" on Fox and such have no credentials either, certainly not integrity.

    But yeah journalists should be held to a higher standard than the most powerful man in the world.

    Cool.


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    #1616
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Boggles wrote: »
    Half the "journalists" on Fox and such have no credentials either, certainly not integrity.

    But yeah journalists should be held to a higher standard than the most powerful man in the world.

    Cool.

    Does Chuck Todd work for Fox? Oh wait, no; that's NBC.



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    #1617
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Christy42


    2u2me wrote: »
    Does Chuck Todd work for Fox? Oh wait, no; that's NBC.


    Not really a defense of Trump or fox there which highly suggests you don't want to defend either.


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    #1618
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Not really a defense of Trump or fox there which highly suggests you don't want to defend either.

    There aren't many journalists with much integrity left in the US. Fox news or otherwise. Fox actually have one of the best journalists going in Chris Wallace.


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    #1619
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Christy42


    2u2me wrote: »
    There aren't many journalists with much integrity left in the US. Fox news or otherwise. Fox actually have one of the best journalists going in Chris Wallace.

    Getting closer. Are you going to hold Trump to the same standard?


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    #1620
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Getting closer. Are you going to hold Trump to the same standard?

    To what standard? The stanard I hold a journalist? No he gets held to a different standard.


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    #1621
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Its funny, because Trump supporters are so quick to label anyone that gets anything wrong, or even lies, as someone that can never be trusted and should be fired.

    But that rule doesn't seem to apply to them. We had Trump just yesterday openly lie to the American people about death rates per 100k, yet I don't see people calling for him to resign. I don't see his supporters admitting that, by their own standards, he can never be trusted again and cleary has an agenda and is trying to spread fake news.

    AS usual, its the hypocrisy that gets me. Take a position, fine, at least we can have a discussion about our different POV, but when you have no actual position apart from I'm right and when I'm wrong then I'll find someone else that was wrong about something sometime, then it is pointless.

    So before posting about the media having agenda, or fake news, or journalists lacking integrity, think to yourself. Is the man I am batting for being held to even close to the same standard, and if not then why do I have a problem with one person but not the other.


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