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10-11-2015, 21:37   #61
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I often wonder if the wonderful designer bags are made in the same places that Penneys etc. bags are made.

Does anyone actually know if they are made in a la di da upmarket workspace with yoga for breakfast and soft music as you work.

Think about it.

Designer stuff is a ridiculous price. Why is that? Some people think it is a great cachet or something. Listen ladies, no one notices except you!

Those who use designer labels are probably causing third world slavery and debt.

If anyone can contradict me, I am open to persuasion.
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10-11-2015, 21:39   #62
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Designer stuff is a ridiculous price. Why is that? Some people think it is a great cachet or something. Listen ladies, no one notices except you!
God forbid I do anything for myself
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LOL. but I take what you say.

I suppose it's an each to their own thing really, and I hope you enjoy your designer handbags. Really. Kind of.....
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I often wonder if the wonderful designer bags are made in the same places that Penneys etc. bags are made.

Does anyone actually know if they are made in a la di da upmarket workspace with yoga for breakfast and soft music as you work.

Think about it.

Designer stuff is a ridiculous price. Why is that? Some people think it is a great cachet or something. Listen ladies, no one notices except you!

Those who use designer labels are probably causing third world slavery and debt.

If anyone can contradict me, I am open to persuasion.
They are mostly made in factories in China. I'm all for investing in quality but don't see the point in paying thousands of euros for a brand name.
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€1,600! I'm thinking about the amazing holiday in Asia I could have for that, or 2-3 city breaks.

I get paying for quality, but I always think, what if it got stolen or ruined? Do you have it insured?
No, I don't have any of my bags insured. I never even thought about insuring them to be honest. I also have never ruined a bag and I'm not a messy person so I don't really worry about it. If a bag of mine did get stolen or ruined? I would be sad in the same way a person would be sad if anything that they owned and liked was stolen or ruined.

Your car could be stolen, someone could spill a glass of red wine on your couch... That's life. I like bags (and not just expensive ones, I also have cheaper bags) and the possibility that something bad might happen isn't a reason for me personally not to have what I like.
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No, I don't have any of my bags insured. I never even thought about insuring them to be honest. I also have never ruined a bag and I'm not a messy person so I don't really worry about it. If a bag of mine did get stolen or ruined? I would be sad in the same way a person would be sad if anything that they owned and liked was stolen or ruined.

Your car could be stolen, someone could spill a glass of red wine on your couch... That's life. I like bags (and not just expensive ones, I also have cheaper bags) and the possibility that something bad might happen isn't a reason for me personally not to have what I like.
The thing is you were saying it's an investment, something you could hand down to future generations. I was thinking that it's fairly easy for a bag to get ruined. I was at a dinner the other day, had my bag on my lap and the person next to me knocked a glass of red wine all over it. I was sad because I loved the bag, but I paid £25 for it second hand. I dread to think what I'd have felt like if I'd paid a few grand.
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Channel bags are made in France, Spain and Italy. I don't know what the conditions are like there but they are sure as hell better than in some grubby sweat shop where fakes are made. I think there is no doubt that mark up on luxury products is huge but high end products that people are keeping for ever are not responsible for sweat shop conditions around the world. It's the disposable fashion which is thrown away after three wears that is doing most damage to the environment and to those making it. I am not saying people should spend thousands on bags, I don't, but let's not pretend that fakes are ethical or superior choice.

And btw anyone with appreciation for craftsmanship or feel for the leather will be able to spot the difference between cheap fakes sold on the street (I am not talking about more expensive copies) and originals. I do realize it might be not as important to everyone though.

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The thing is you were saying it's an investment, something you could hand down to future generations. I was thinking that it's fairly easy for a bag to get ruined. I was at a dinner the other day, had my bag on my lap and the person next to me knocked a glass of red wine all over it. I was sad because I loved the bag, but I paid £25 for it second hand. I dread to think what I'd have felt like if I'd paid a few grand.
That is unfortunate. I guess I'm just very careful and perhaps lucky to never have had anything like that happen to me. If a bag of mine did get ruined, like I said, it would be sad. I understand what you're saying but to me, the fact that there's a small chance of someone stealing something I own isn't enough of a reason for me not to buy and own it. Nor is the idea that it might get dirty etc. If I can't give it to my daughter some day, I still got the enjoyment out of the purchase and using it myself. I'm not banking on being able to resell or pass it on, that would simply be an added bonus.

Different people choose to spend their money on different things. To some, a few thousand on a bag is silly. To others, it's not a big deal. To me, it is a lot of money but that's my little luxury in life.

I'm sorry about your bag btw.
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High end luxury goods like Chanel, LV, Dior are made by craftspeople. I may personally believe the prices are bonkers but they're not making bags for people like me. They make items for people who consider a LV bag to be a small purchase and who will buy other LV goods. Each leather item will take days or even weeks to complete, usually by hand. The companies adhere to very strict rules and regulations and they're open regular to inspection by the local authorities. They're as far away from sweatshops as you can imagine. I also agree it's the mass consumerism for cheap throw away items which fuels the sweatshop industry not the luxury goods market so penneys has a lot more to answer for than Chanel or Dior
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I have to say I dont agree that bags from penneys or even m&s are in anyway comparable to the good designer brands. I can spot good material and craftsmanship a mile off. I cant even walk into the likes of H&M as I think the clothes are such poor quality and so wasteful of resources.

However, when you buy a mulberry. (which are very nice bags, no doubt), you are mostly buying a name. The materials and workmanship only account for a tiny percentage of the price. So now I try to buy quality, but not designer. Incidentally, I have a marc by marc jacobs bag, and it hasnt lasted well at all. I also have a gucci bag from my aunt which must be 50 years old.
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I love handbags. I buy them from Penney's, River Island, Oasis.... wherever. My favourite bag is a Fossil bag I bought over 3 years and is still in perfect condition despite a lot of use. The bags I buy in Penneys never last like that.
I am being promoted soon and will be going on holiday to the States shortly so plan on buying a designer bag when I am there. I would love a Chanel bag but I just don't have the cash for it right now. So I think I have decided on a Coach bag. The bag I have picked is around $400-$500, a classic style that won't go out of fashion and professional looking for my new role. And I know it will last for years.
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High end luxury goods like Chanel, LV, Dior are made by craftspeople. I may personally believe the prices are bonkers but they're not making bags for people like me. They make items for people who consider a LV bag to be a small purchase and who will buy other LV goods. Each leather item will take days or even weeks to complete, usually by hand. The companies adhere to very strict rules and regulations and they're open regular to inspection by the local authorities. They're as far away from sweatshops as you can imagine. I also agree it's the mass consumerism for cheap throw away items which fuels the sweatshop industry not the luxury goods market so penneys has a lot more to answer for than Chanel or Dior
+1. I used to work for a high end brand and I've seen the workshops where the products are made. They aren't sweatshops and the people making the leather goods train for years to qualify in their trade. It's a much more sustainable form of fashion than transporting things made from synthetic materials thousands of miles from China.

There is a kind of reverse snobbery about high end brands-some people (a general observation not directed at anyone here) delight in telling you they wouldn't be caught dead with a higher end brand and that Pennys stuff is just as good. After many years of being in love with fast and disposable fashion I can't do it any more. It's a waste of my money longer term and really bad for the environment. I now buy a lot less of everything, and I'm much more interested in where my clothes come from and what they're made of.

I have holidays and I have nice bags. I have lovely memories of the most recent one with my children. And a nice bag came with me. I've never had one ruined or anything awful happen to them.
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I have the odd bag that cost less than €100, but most of mine are around the €300-€400 mark, and I have one that cost €1100 and one that cost over €1900.

I LOVE handbags, they're my indulgence. I carry a different one most days, depending on what I'm wearing, and I think a nice handbag can really complete an outfit. I don't go for obviously branded ones, eg LV or Michael Kors, as IMO they look slightly brash. I go for quality materials and workmanship as well as the look of the bag.

I know that I spend a lot of money on handbags, but to me, they're worth it, for the enjoyment and use I get from them. I can afford to spend that much money on them, luckily, so I'm not going into debt or anything like it for the sake of a handbag.

I really don't care what others spend their money on and see no reason why anyone should judge me for the way I spend my hard-earned cash. Nor do I go boasting or showing off my high-end bags, and would never volunteer the fact I had a new bag or tell someone the price of it- in fact if anything I'd be more likely to let on it was cheaper if anyone asked the price of one!
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They are mostly made in factories in China. I'm all for investing in quality but don't see the point in paying thousands of euros for a brand name.
That's not true at all. As others have pointed out, the likes of chanel, Dior, Louis Vuitton etc are made in France, Italy and the U.S by skilled craftspeople who are paid well for their work. You are paying for superior materials and workmanship as well as the name.

IMO cheap high street bags are a false economy. They are disposable fashion, just like cheap clothes from penny's or wherever, they fall apart and you end up having to replace them anyway. If a high end designer bag such as chanel or Louis Vuitton gets damaged by general wear and tear, they will repair it. Usually free of charge.

I'd rather spend the money on a good quality well made bag that will last. You don't necessarily need to spend thousands for that. I have bags ranging from the low hundreds to one that was couple of thousand and expect to use them for years to come.
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That's not true at all. As others have pointed out, the likes of chanel, Dior, Louis Vuitton etc are made in France, Italy and the U.S by skilled craftspeople who are paid well for their work. You are paying for superior materials and workmanship as well as the name.

IMO cheap high street bags are a false economy. They are disposable fashion, just like cheap clothes from penny's or wherever, they fall apart and you end up having to replace them anyway. If a high end designer bag such as chanel or Louis Vuitton gets damaged by general wear and tear, they will repair it. Usually free of charge.

I'd rather spend the money on a good quality well made bag that will last. You don't necessarily need to spend thousands for that. I have bags ranging from the low hundreds to one that was couple of thousand and expect to use them for years to come.
It is absolutely true. I'm not going to name names, but a LOT of 'designer' bags are at least partly made in China, as are a lot of 'designer' watches.

I agree with you about cheap high street bags. I don't buy them either, but you can get a good quality leather bag for well under 200 euros.
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