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Water meter criminal damage conviction

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  • #2
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    handlemaster wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-water-charges-campaigner-fined-for-causing-criminal-damage-to-water-meters-1.2284991

    Its great to see a conviction and see it been called what it is not a protest but criminal damage.


    Be a bit more clever and don't get caught.


  • #3
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    The man is an Irish patriot.


  • #4
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Be a bit more clever and don't get caught.

    Best not be a criminal in the first place .


  • #5
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Delighted to see that.


  • #6
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    The man is an Irish patriot.

    Why?


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  • #7
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    handlemaster wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-water-charges-campaigner-fined-for-causing-criminal-damage-to-water-meters-1.2284991

    Its great to see a conviction and see it been called what it is not a protest but criminal damage.

    Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

    You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

    But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.


  • #8
    kingtiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Why?

    think it's sarcasm

    as it's mostly Sinn Fein supporters that advocate water meter damage


  • #9
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

    You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

    But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.

    Or perhaps he just damaged property belonging to another and was properly charged and convicted. Or do you think he shouldnt be charged at all? What other crimes do you think are acceptable when conducted as part of a 'protest' against water meters?


  • #10
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    The man is an Irish patriot.

    Bollocks


  • #11
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Why?

    Unjust laws are there to be broken and rightfully so :)


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  • #12
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Unjust laws are there to be broken and rightfully so :)

    criminal damage is an unjust law? tell me more.


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't say it's great or its fantastic.

    It's just...the law.

    Furthermore, it is no more patriotic than tax evasion because people don't like taxes.


  • #14
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Eggincup, this is nonesense about paying twice.

    They increased VAT and Motor tax rates previously under the guise of additional monies being required for water, but at no time did they actually ring fence the money. They lied about it to soften the blow, what they really wanted was to simply raise taxes.

    You already pay Taxes yet are still charged at A&E. You already pay taxes but still have to pay motor tax. You already pay taxes but still have to pay for services like passport, licences etc.

    Its is nice slogan but unfortunately doesn't make any sense.

    The facts of the matter is that we simply do not raise enough taxes to cover our costs, so if we take it that we already pay for water through tax then by extension, we then need to raise taxes to cover the shortfall. IW is simply (although made complicated by a staggeringly messed up set-up) a way of finally taking water charges out of the governments remit. The theory behind IW is that the monies collected will be ringfenced to being available for water services only.

    A simple raise in the level of taxes will leave us in exactly the same position that we are in now.


  • #15
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Take it out of his dole.


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If you're against something then protest, write to the relevant politicians. But this is just criminal damage, nothing more, nothing less.


  • #17
    Flatzie_poo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Flatzie_poo


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    The man is an Irish patriot.

    YEAH!! Michael Collins ain't got sh!t on him... :rolleyes:


  • #18
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

    You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

    But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.
    Maybe you can explain why people with private wells should also pay for your water?


  • #19
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Flatzie_poo wrote: »
    YEAH!! Michael Collins ain't got sh!t on him... :rolleyes:

    They are writing ballads about this man for future generations to keep his memory alive.


  • #20
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Billing and charges page is gone awol for some reason.


  • #21
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Why?


    Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.


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  • #22
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.



    Sounds like SF economics.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

    Have you a source for that figure? Is that for a single person or for a family of 10?


  • #24
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you're against something then protest, write to the relevant politicians. But this is just criminal damage, nothing more, nothing less.

    The politicians are the ones who handed Ireland's water assets over to a private company in the first place. What the fcuk good will it do writing to them?

    They can always count on people who don't want to rock the boat, people such as yourself, to split the opinion of the public they are trying to con.


  • #25
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Egginacup wrote: »
    The politicians are the ones who handed Ireland's water assets over to a private company in the first place. What the fcuk good will it do writing to them?

    They can always count on people who don't want to rock the boat, people such as yourself, to split the opinion of the public they are trying to con.

    so criminal damage is an acceptable form of protest? would you consider assaulting water meter installers as an acceptable protest?


  • #26
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

    Wow, you must have been paying some amount of motor tax if it's previously been covering water supply costs of €1,000 per year. :rolleyes:


  • #27
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Maybe you can explain why people with private wells should also pay for your water?

    They don't.

    If your water comes from a private well or a group water scheme and you have a private wastewater treatment system (such as a septic tank) you are not regarded as a customer of Irish Water and do not have to pay the new domestic water charges. (However, if you registered with Irish Water by 30 June 2015, you will still be eligible for a Water Conservation Grant – see below.)

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html#l6a2ae


  • #28
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah yes, funny how the oul Justice system works in Ireland. Meanwhile behind (Court) Door Number 2 a guy gets a suspended sentence for raping his ex-girlfriend while she sleeps.

    Priorities eh?


  • #29
    ChippingSodbury
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    testicle wrote: »
    Bollocks

    I thought you were just giving us an alternative for your Username......but then again, if you were, you would've just said "Bollock" :pac:


  • #30
    Endaaaagh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endaaaagh


    SteM wrote: »
    They don't.




    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html#l6a2ae

    Yes we do. One of the biggest arguments form the no side is we already pay for our water through normal taxation and paying an additional water charge is paying twice. This means the folks (like me) who own a private well and have to pay for its's upkeep/maintenance, who pay taxes, are already paying for water we don't receive, in essence subsidising those who receive water from the mains.


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  • #31
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Or perhaps he just damaged property belonging to another and was properly charged and convicted. Or do you think he shouldnt be charged at all? What other crimes do you think are acceptable when conducted as part of a 'protest' against water meters?

    Well the leaflet that was sent out to every sucker in the State clearly read "Your water meter is coming soon".
    So whose meter is it? Did they just print that to give you a warm huggy feeling like you're part of the celebration?


  • #32
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,498 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ah yes, funny how the oul Justice system works in Ireland. Meanwhile behind (Court) Door Number 2 a guy gets a suspended sentence for raping his ex-girlfriend while she sleeps.

    Priorities eh?

    This guy didn't get jail for breaking the water meters either...or did you miss that part? Do you propose we now don't have any cases before our courts that are deemed to be less serious than rape?


  • #33
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Well the leaflet that was sent out to every sucker in the State clearly read "Your water meter is coming soon".
    So whose meter is it? Did they just print that to give you a warm huggy feeling like you're part of the celebration?

    are you being deliberately obtuse? actually, dont bother to answer.


  • #34
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    Endaaaagh wrote: »
    Yes we do. One of the biggest arguments form the no side is we already pay for our water through normal taxation and paying an additional water charge is paying twice. This means the folks (like me) who own a private well and have to pay for its's upkeep/maintenance, who pay taxes, are already paying for water we don't receive, in essence subsidising those who receive water from the mains.

    Your taxes go into a general pool, not to pay for water you don't receive. If it makes you feel better then you can fool yourself into thinking your taxes pay for hospitals only, something my taxes pay for but never I never use. Doesn't matter because either way the money we're paying as a nation in taxes doesn't come close to what it costs to run the country.


  • #35
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Well the leaflet that was sent out to every sucker in the State clearly read "Your water meter is coming soon".

    You understand when people say 'your Country' or 'your city' they're not actually conferring ownership to you. It's like that.


  • #36
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Eggincup, this is nonesense about paying twice.

    They increased VAT and Motor tax rates previously under the guise of additional monies being required for water, but at no time did they actually ring fence the money. They lied about it to soften the blow, what they really wanted was to simply raise taxes.

    You already pay Taxes yet are still charged at A&E. You already pay taxes but still have to pay motor tax. You already pay taxes but still have to pay for services like passport, licences etc.

    Its is nice slogan but unfortunately doesn't make any sense.

    The facts of the matter is that we simply do not raise enough taxes to cover our costs, so if we take it that we already pay for water through tax then by extension, we then need to raise taxes to cover the shortfall. IW is simply (although made complicated by a staggeringly messed up set-up) a way of finally taking water charges out of the governments remit. The theory behind IW is that the monies collected will be ringfenced to being available for water services only.

    A simple raise in the level of taxes will leave us in exactly the same position that we are in now.

    Utter bollocks. It has cost over 1 billion so far to set up this gravy train of a company and install meters. 10's of millions handed out to "consultants" ...nice work if you can get it. How will that cost be recouped? That's right...it'll be tacked on to your bill, buddy. The honey-pot €130 charge was just a ruse to get saps to sign up but that charge will be hitting in excess of a grand pretty soon. To turn a resource into a commodity and put it in the hands of a private firm means that the company itself is a commodity and can be sold (and will be) to the highest bidder. It's a scam of the basest order and people like yourself who don't want to face this reality are left to bicker about how it's NOT actually a scam but a necessary evil.

    You say taxes need to be raised ...then raise them. The water charge is not raising taxes it's privatising a natural resource and selling it back to the people of the country and putting the proceeds into the pockets of shareholders.


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  • #37
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Maybe you can explain why people with private wells should also pay for your water?

    For the same reason that people without kids still pay for your fcuking brats' education.


  • #38
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

    You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

    .

    Can I get a refund for providing my own well and waste water treatment so?

    This double taxation argument is spurious at best.


  • #39
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Natalie Loud Doctor wrote: »
    Can I get a refund for providing my own well and waste water treatment so?

    This double taxation argument is spurious at best.

    Spurious and immature. The government routinely changes the balance of taxes and charges, if they introduce a parking meter somewhere you cannot just say I am paying for this twice and vandalise the parking meter.


  • #40
    ChippingSodbury
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    Endaaaagh wrote: »
    Yes we do. One of the biggest arguments form the no side is we already pay for our water through normal taxation and paying an additional water charge is paying twice. This means the folks (like me) who own a private well and have to pay for its's upkeep/maintenance, who pay taxes, are already paying for water we don't receive, in essence subsidising those who receive water from the mains.

    Exactly.

    And all this money we're paying for public services already? Well, we're not paying enough because the country will still be borrowing €6,500,000,000 to pay for public services in 2015 ...


  • #41
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Mod: Hi, we're not allowing Water meter threads in AH anymore and haven' allowed them for a while.
    Luckily, the Politics Cafe has a giant, huge, mega thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057425934

    Please read their charter first: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057425934


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