Water meter criminal damage conviction

handlemaster · 15-07-2015 08:53AM #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-water-charges-campaigner-fined-for-causing-criminal-damage-to-water-meters-1.2284991

Its great to see a conviction and see it been called what it is not a protest but criminal damage.

BattleCorp · 15-07-2015 08:59AM

handlemaster wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-water-charges-campaigner-fined-for-causing-criminal-damage-to-water-meters-1.2284991

Its great to see a conviction and see it been called what it is not a protest but criminal damage.

Be a bit more clever and don't get caught.

Streetwalker · 15-07-2015 09:31AM

The man is an Irish patriot.

handlemaster · 15-07-2015 09:32AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Be a bit more clever and don't get caught.

Best not be a criminal in the first place .

Uriel. · 15-07-2015 09:35AM

Delighted to see that.

handlemaster · 15-07-2015 09:39AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

The man is an Irish patriot.

Why?

Egginacup · 15-07-2015 09:50AM

handlemaster wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-water-charges-campaigner-fined-for-causing-criminal-damage-to-water-meters-1.2284991

Its great to see a conviction and see it been called what it is not a protest but criminal damage.

Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.

kingtiger · 15-07-2015 09:52AM

handlemaster wrote: »

Why?

think it's sarcasm

as it's mostly Sinn Fein supporters that advocate water meter damage

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2015 09:54AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.

Or perhaps he just damaged property belonging to another and was properly charged and convicted. Or do you think he shouldnt be charged at all? What other crimes do you think are acceptable when conducted as part of a 'protest' against water meters?

testicle · 15-07-2015 09:54AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

The man is an Irish patriot.

Bollocks

Streetwalker · 15-07-2015 09:55AM

handlemaster wrote: »

Why?

Unjust laws are there to be broken and rightfully so

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2015 09:57AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Unjust laws are there to be broken and rightfully so

criminal damage is an unjust law? tell me more.

15-07-2015 09:59AM

I wouldn't say it's great or its fantastic.

It's just...the law.

Furthermore, it is no more patriotic than tax evasion because people don't like taxes.

Leroy42 · 15-07-2015 09:59AM

Eggincup, this is nonesense about paying twice.

They increased VAT and Motor tax rates previously under the guise of additional monies being required for water, but at no time did they actually ring fence the money. They lied about it to soften the blow, what they really wanted was to simply raise taxes.

You already pay Taxes yet are still charged at A&E. You already pay taxes but still have to pay motor tax. You already pay taxes but still have to pay for services like passport, licences etc.

Its is nice slogan but unfortunately doesn't make any sense.

The facts of the matter is that we simply do not raise enough taxes to cover our costs, so if we take it that we already pay for water through tax then by extension, we then need to raise taxes to cover the shortfall. IW is simply (although made complicated by a staggeringly messed up set-up) a way of finally taking water charges out of the governments remit. The theory behind IW is that the monies collected will be ringfenced to being available for water services only.

A simple raise in the level of taxes will leave us in exactly the same position that we are in now.

kneemos · 15-07-2015 09:59AM

Take it out of his dole.

15-07-2015 10:00AM

If you're against something then protest, write to the relevant politicians. But this is just criminal damage, nothing more, nothing less.

Flatzie_poo · 15-07-2015 10:01AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

The man is an Irish patriot.

YEAH!! Michael Collins ain't got sh!t on him... :rolleyes:

Sam Kade · 15-07-2015 10:01AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Are you in support of being robbed or are you just too scared of being called names if you oppose being charged double for the water you use?

You already pay €1.2bn for your water through direct and indirect taxes/VAT.

But of course being spineless you'd rather side with the smiling suit who's scamming you but telling you it's all above board than actually contemplate the fact that you're a sucker.

Maybe you can explain why people with private wells should also pay for your water?

Menas · 15-07-2015 10:03AM

Flatzie_poo wrote: »

YEAH!! Michael Collins ain't got sh!t on him... :rolleyes:

They are writing ballads about this man for future generations to keep his memory alive.

kneemos · 15-07-2015 10:05AM

Billing and charges page is gone awol for some reason.

Egginacup · 15-07-2015 10:11AM

handlemaster wrote: »

Why?

Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

kneemos · 15-07-2015 10:14AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

Sounds like SF economics.

15-07-2015 10:14AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

Have you a source for that figure? Is that for a single person or for a family of 10?

Egginacup · 15-07-2015 10:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you're against something then protest, write to the relevant politicians. But this is just criminal damage, nothing more, nothing less.

The politicians are the ones who handed Ireland's water assets over to a private company in the first place. What the fcuk good will it do writing to them?

They can always count on people who don't want to rock the boat, people such as yourself, to split the opinion of the public they are trying to con.

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2015 10:19AM

Egginacup wrote: »

The politicians are the ones who handed Ireland's water assets over to a private company in the first place. What the fcuk good will it do writing to them?

They can always count on people who don't want to rock the boat, people such as yourself, to split the opinion of the public they are trying to con.

so criminal damage is an acceptable form of protest? would you consider assaulting water meter installers as an acceptable protest?

Graham · 15-07-2015 10:22AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Do you realise that in order to break even Irish Water are going to have to charge you in excess of €1000 per year for water with no cap on high the bill can go. The government are also contemplating giving a private company access to your pension.

Wow, you must have been paying some amount of motor tax if it's previously been covering water supply costs of €1,000 per year. :rolleyes:

SteM · 15-07-2015 10:24AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Maybe you can explain why people with private wells should also pay for your water?

They don't.

If your water comes from a private well or a group water scheme and you have a private wastewater treatment system (such as a septic tank) you are not regarded as a customer of Irish Water and do not have to pay the new domestic water charges. (However, if you registered with Irish Water by 30 June 2015, you will still be eligible for a Water Conservation Grant – see below.)

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html#l6a2ae

_Kaiser_ · 15-07-2015 10:26AM

Ah yes, funny how the oul Justice system works in Ireland. Meanwhile behind (Court) Door Number 2 a guy gets a suspended sentence for raping his ex-girlfriend while she sleeps.

Priorities eh?

ChippingSodbury · 15-07-2015 10:28AM

testicle wrote: »

Bollocks

I thought you were just giving us an alternative for your Username......but then again, if you were, you would've just said "Bollock" :pac:

Endaaaagh · 15-07-2015 10:54AM

SteM wrote: »

They don't.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_charges.html#l6a2ae

Yes we do. One of the biggest arguments form the no side is we already pay for our water through normal taxation and paying an additional water charge is paying twice. This means the folks (like me) who own a private well and have to pay for its's upkeep/maintenance, who pay taxes, are already paying for water we don't receive, in essence subsidising those who receive water from the mains.

Egginacup · 15-07-2015 11:03AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or perhaps he just damaged property belonging to another and was properly charged and convicted. Or do you think he shouldnt be charged at all? What other crimes do you think are acceptable when conducted as part of a 'protest' against water meters?

Well the leaflet that was sent out to every sucker in the State clearly read "Your water meter is coming soon".
So whose meter is it? Did they just print that to give you a warm huggy feeling like you're part of the celebration?

Water meter criminal damage conviction

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