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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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    #5072
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Might be a business there for someone buying up north and delivering south nice and quiet... minimum order €50 maybe or something like that


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    #5073
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,838 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    ShamNNspace wrote: »
    Might be a business there for someone buying up north and delivering south nice and quiet... minimum order €50 maybe or something like that

    Smuggling of alcohol is hardly a new idea.


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    #5074
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,497 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Tiger Roll wrote: »
    Not related to MUP as such but Tesco are starting a clubcard rewards thing next weekend where you get an item at a certain price if you use a clubcard . Bottle of Bailey's 21euro ,with clubcard it's 9 euro. Carlsberg 12 pack cans 17 euro,with clubcard it's 12 euro . I thought loyalty cards can't be used as a promotion under new legislation. Be interesting to see how it pans out

    Obriens and lidl do similar.
    As long as the discount is available to anyone with the card ie not tied to spending it seems to be ok.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #5075
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Brilliant plan from the government

    Introduce MUP when the North is practically fully open

    That's bound to make trips over the border even more of a draw

    Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

    Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.


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    #5076
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,198 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    jester77 wrote: »
    Hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, but as someone who hasn't lived in Ireland for over 20 years, that sounds very expensive for a locally mass produced beer. Here in Germany I can get locally produced beer at a fraction of that, and people are not out of control :eek:
    machiavellianme wrote: »
    Yeah because charging 7 euro a pint will stop people from doing the same thing :rolleyes:
    listermint wrote: »
    Oh the naivety is strong in this one.


    If only there wasn't so many varied of examples of how prohibition works so well..
    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    pricing wont prevent or alter complex social issues

    I thnk we should have MUP for trollfood - it appears to be way too cheap.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #5077
    withnail_is_i
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭withnail_is_i


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

    Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.
    Too many posts to be a fully fledged troll, so somebody would have to assume it's a government lacky account.
    People have been known to venture as far as France via ferry to purchase discount booze, so there is zero data alleging nobody would drive across the border.
    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.
    Again, that is incorrect. You really haven't looked into this at all, have you?
    Bottleneck pricing is created immediately in the lower tier sales, pushing the prices up right across the board. The breweries also get an eyeful of the profits that the retailers are receiving and of course will want their cut.
    There are so many other factors to consider, you might want to read up a little on the subject before your next post. Just a suggestion.


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    #5078
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
    Or maybe they will just split the difference?


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    #5079
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
    Or maybe they will just split the difference?

    Probably split the difference. We live in a very strange economy in this country - very little price competition in anything and lots of cozy arrangements, no matter how many various sector 'regulators' we invent.

    Whatever way the new government imposed dividend is carved up the consumer will end up paying for it, as usual..... except in this case it is blatantly planned to be that way.


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    #5080
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,838 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
    Or maybe they will just split the difference?

    Anyone who claims to know what is going to happen is misguided.
    It's a very competitive market and it will adapt if mup comes in.
    It won't be as simple as the price of everything going up across the board but what it will look like, no one really knows.


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    #5081
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Inter-county travel is illegal so I don't know how you think this is going to happen any time soon.

    Most people will not bother their arse driving to the north to pick up a slab of their favourite cheap grog. There will be no substantial difference for anyone who buys a nice premium drink. This will reduce the alcohol intake of the flagon of cider merchants which can't come soon enough.

    Thousands cross the border every day

    Intercounty might be illegal but it's happening wholesale as it is

    Latest plan is for intercounty travel in June anyway which would just be at the point MUP comes in according to the Indo

    If you don't think the premium drinks will up their prices by the same amount as the 'cheap grog' you'll be mistaken


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    #5082
    withnail_is_i
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭withnail_is_i


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Anyone who claims to know what is going to happen is misguided.
    It's a very competitive market and it will adapt if mup comes in.
    It won't be as simple as the price of everything going up across the board but what it will look like, no one really knows.

    The data from Scotland begs to differ.
    The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean, there are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, while other products will, to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.


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    #5083
    Housefree
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Housefree


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Cork to Belfast is €70 fuel return

    The same bottle of whiskey that's €12 .37 in the North will be €22.09 here after MUP

    You can get a case of the same whisky for €74 which would be €132.54 here

    There little less €50 in savings straight away on the exact same product

    People won't believe how much MUP is going to gouge the Irish consumer

    You will only have to go a few feet over the border, somewhere like Jonesbourgh will set up for wholesale drink supplies, same way it has done for fireworks


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    #5084
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,838 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    withnail_is_i wrote: »
    The data from Scotland begs to differ.
    The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean.
    There are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, whole others will to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.

    But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
    I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.


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    #5085
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    withnail_is_i wrote: »
    The data from Scotland begs to differ.
    The price rise across the board refers to the range of products affected, not every single product increasing in price which I suspect you understood it to mean, there are many products already priced higher that may not increase any further, while other products will, to relieve the problems caused by the bottleneck.

    In other words the price of drink that the affluent in society tend to buy will be unaffected while the ‘peasants’ will have to pay more for their favourite tipple?


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    #5086
    kerryjack
    Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    In other words the price of drink that the affluent in society tend to buy will be unaffected while the ‘peasants’ will have to pay more for their favourite tipple?
    Will I still get 8 cans of Heineken for 14 euro


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    #5087
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If a can of beer goes up by, say, €1, who pockets that money. Will the drinks companies take advantage and increase the price to the retailer by €1 or will the retailer pocket all the money?
    Or maybe they will just split the difference?
    The large distributors and wholesalers will take as much as they can get away with.

    The supermarket own brands won't have to share with anyone.

    Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

    VAT revenue won't increase unless people start buying cheaper food or less clothes which might lead to increased health spending later on.


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    #5088
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The large distributors and wholesalers will take as much as they can get away with.

    The supermarket own brands won't have to share with anyone.

    Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

    VAT revenue won't increase unless people start buying cheaper food or less clothes which might lead to increased health spending later on.

    Don't forget the use of drugs increasing


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    #5089
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
    I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.

    You are correct that we don't have a crystal ball to foretell the future.

    However we can with confidence predict that this will be an intervention in the market to artificially increase prices to the consumer.

    That is never good news for your pocket.


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    #5090
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,779 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Excise duty will drop if alcohol consumption drops.

    Who are you kidding they will never lower excise duty.


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    #5091
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    But people are claiming that the price of all drinks will increase, across the board.
    I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what exactly is going to happen. It's a complex market.

    manufacturers will want to maintain a price differential between their premium products and the lower end of the market.


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    #5092
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,161 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    It's about time. The fact that people can stock up on crates of cheap beer needs to stop. Supermarkets selling 24 cans of Guinness for less than a euro a can.

    Where is this cheap beer?

    Cans of beer (50cl) start at 29 cent in Germany, that is cheap.

    A price of 1.00 euro is good for Ireland, yes, but still high compared to macro, mass-produced beer in other countries.


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    #5093
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 18,000 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Meh just as well I started home brewing last year.


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    #5094
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Who are you kidding they will never lower excise duty.
    Excise duty was cut in 2009 as any publican will tell you.

    Excise on beer hasn't gone up since 2014 as any publican will tell you.


    Regardless the total amount of excise duty collected will fall if consumption drops.


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    #5095
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,779 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Excise duty was cut in 2009 as any publican will tell you.

    Excise on beer hasn't gone up since 2014 as any publican will tell you.


    Regardless the total amount of excise duty collected will fall if consumption drops.

    It was lowered in 2009 due to the economic crisis and as a political motive to gather votes, it hasn't been raised since 2014 as the vintners and nimbys have been lobbying hard for MUP as a replacement since 2011.


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    #5096
    Big Gerry
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    The price of drink in Ireland is already the 2nd highest in Europe.


    If anything we should be paying less not more for drink.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-alcohol-prices-are-second-highest-in-the-eu-wmfzhskf7


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    #5097
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Big Gerry wrote: »
    The price of drink in Ireland is already the 2nd highest in Europe.


    If anything we should be paying less not more for drink.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-alcohol-prices-are-second-highest-in-the-eu-wmfzhskf7

    shush now, you can't use facts to argue against MUP. that's cheating.


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    #5098
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    The lower classes must be infantilised and protected from themselves at all costs, find what they enjoy and tax the hell out of it under the guise of health or whatever and leave those who appreciate and understand and can afford a good wine or brandy and the finer things in life to enjoy them properly in the manner in which they have become accustomed


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    #5099
    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    We are a disgraceful nanny state. It's actually embarrassing. I don't know how the people of Ireland aren't calling out for direct democracy.

    Vote for the same charlatans every year and expect different results. We get what we deserve.


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    #5100
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,497 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    ShamNNspace wrote: »
    The lower classes must be infantilised and protected from themselves at all costs, find what they enjoy and tax the hell out of it under the guise of health or whatever and leave those who appreciate and understand and can afford a good wine or brandy and the finer things in life to enjoy them properly in the manner in which they have become accustomed

    Or they must spend their money in an approved gombeen (rent seeker) run establishment.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #5101
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Or they must spend their money in an approved gombeen (rent seeker) run establishment.

    Tis true, twould drive a man or woman to drink if they thought about it too much


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