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16-09-2020, 16:20   #856
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As regards to the proofs offered for example by Aquinas, these are limited to our universe and its laws. I was going to add the puddle analogy but Hotblack Desiato just did.
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17-09-2020, 15:29   #857
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Just pondering this idea.... If God created the Universe and the world - then really the Universe is kind of like a virtual world that we human might be able to create in games.

So Looking at the Creation account -


Creation Day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5)
God created the heavens and the earth. “The heavens” refers to everything beyond the earth, outer space. The earth is made but not formed in any specific way, although water is present. God then speaks light into existence. He then separates the light from the dark and names the light “day” and the dark “night.” This creative work occurs from evening until morning – one day.

So God Coded and developed the Universe and the building blocks of planets - ie Earth. So he initializes the game engine.

2. He writes the code for light and integrates it into his new game engine.

3. Then rather then having light every where he codes it into Light sources so we can have both dark and light.

So he managed to code all that in one day. Not bad really.

Now I could go on with the rest of the account of creation, it really strike me that rather then looking at our surroundings from our point of view. If you look at the rest of the account of creation from a Game creator / Programmers point of view it's very close to how an actually game universe or virtual world would actually be developed.


Day 2 - God - Codes up the how the atmosphere works and adds in moisture and water.

Day 3 - God codes up the land, continents and seas - I wonder at this point is he using the unreal engine or the unity engine.

Day 4 - God codes up all the stars and heavenly bodies. And initializes the thread to allow them to run. He also creates the Moon and the sun in relations to the earth. - This can only make sense if this is actually game development here - I mean it is the sequence you would do it in.

Day 5 - God uses something better then Adobe to create all the life in water and insects

Day 6 - God then uses the same software to create all the land creatures. And finally creates Humans as the NPC's to his world.

Day 7 God Rests.


That account does not make sense in terms of science that we know. It can only really make sense to me in terms of developing a virtual world and the only example I have of that is a Computer Game world.

Does the creation account make sense if it was simply the sequence of coding up and developing a game world?

Then if we are the npc's inside that virtual world then looking from within that world we can only really know about how the world runs We would not be able to see past that world.

The world was initially created as a safe paradise in which we could live freely. And God roamed around from time to time to speak with us.

Then we went against god - the problem that God has here is that he has to leave our presence as when you go against God you go against creation and I guess there is some universal law that means if you go against creation and are in the presence of God in his true form you die.

Then he decided to Join the world in First Person Perspective but again we went against him and just had him killed.

I wonder how the game plays out in the end.
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17-09-2020, 17:01   #858
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Is there a poke for infinite lives?
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It is a volume of 60–70 books, by many authors, written over millennia, that repeats the same message consistently.
But it doesn't - it's full of contradictions
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It's also been significantly massaged/edited over the years.
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18-09-2020, 13:03   #861
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Is there a poke for infinite lives?

Want the God mode Cheat?
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It's also been significantly massaged/edited over the years.

Are you talking about the various translations?


You have to study the texts in the original Languages to get the proper meanings for sure. But this is quite normal in proper bible studies.



We also have the dead sea scrolls which give us a good indication that these have not been altered in thousands of years.


Also the original texts use the number 7 to prevent alterations from the original message and this spans throughout the books of the bible.


So while the bible may have been penned by multiple people, they did so through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
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But it doesn't - it's full of contradictions

It may have apparent contradictions, however usually when these are studied in more detail you gain great insights into their meanings any many of these apparent contradictions are gems of knowledge.
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So while the bible may have been penned by multiple people, they did so through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The use of the word "So" at the start here is interesting. It seems to imply that the unsubstantiated assertion about an unsubstantiated entity after the "So" somehow follows from the things said in the sentences before the "So".

Absolutely nothing you said before the "So" lends even a modicum of credence to the assertion after it however. So.... it might be nice if you adumbrate the reasoning linking the two for us.
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Just pondering this idea.... If God created the Universe and the world - then really the Universe is kind of like a virtual world that we human might be able to create in games.




I wonder how the game plays out in the end.


Answer; a puddle.
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18-09-2020, 16:01   #866
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Are you talking about the various translations?
No doubt there are translation errors, but no not really, it's what books have been included and excluded.

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So while the bible may have been penned by multiple people, they did so through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Ah jaysus, you're being serious?
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No doubt there are translation errors, but no not really, it's what books have been included and excluded.



Ah jaysus, you're being serious?

How else would you explain the mathematical consistency of the books?

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Ah the old "If you can not offer an explanation then my explanation is credible" trick. We get that one on occasion here when theists wander in. Usually of the form "If you do not think there is a god then how do you explain existence???".

You can either substantiation your claims.... or you can not. People not having a claim of their own does not lend credence to yours. Rather, such deflections are as transparent as a recently well cleaned window.
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It may have apparent contradictions, however usually when these are studied in more detail you gain great insights into their meanings any many of these apparent contradictions are gems of knowledge.
But isn't the case, in your belief system (and mine btw) that you have to be able to 'see' before you can discern such things. 'Blind' people, not being able to see, means not even study would allow them to discern.

Heck, even a believer is going to have trouble wading through Numbers. And it's not as if different believers don't arrive at completely different 'gems of knowledge'.

Not a big problem in my book, God is more interested in our showing our work than producing the right answer - but you can appreciate the athiests objection.

Well founded in the main. They would discard IKEA instructions if perceived to be as problematic - never mind a book purporting to be the book of life.

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How else would you explain the mathematical consistency of the books?
Do you mean the four gospels which contradict each other?
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