Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic?

maccored · 06-08-2020 9:28am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Let remind us all of the “great” SF who “as a party they developed to help people in whatever way they could in their limited ability”

Children raped for years by a parent and while they had full knowledge never stepped in to protect the child. Then when the child grew into a women and decided she wanted people to know what happened

How did SF protect this vulnerable woman? They tried to get a legal gagging order on her. Then hit her abuser to protect him from going to court

That’s the SF decent people know.....

yeah, still waiting for you to explain where SF have been kneecapping and killing people. instead what do we get? the usual ....

breezy1985 · 06-08-2020 9:34am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Exactly this.

In post-Famine Ireland they took advantage of a downtrodden, broken nation to seize ever more power, influence and wealth for themselves. What was it our poor island really needed in the second half of the 19th century - that's right, a massive cathedral building programme :rolleyes:

They even built the biggest seminary in the world and got the Brits to pay for most of it.

The British allowed the RCC to seize control of civil society here in the hopes it would 'pacify' the Irish. The RCC in turn supported British rule here right up until it became obvious they were going to lose, then they switched sides and pretended they were nationalists or even republicans all along.

So in 1922 we got an impoverished state, shorn of most of its industry, ravaged by civil war, paying debts to Britain, where the lion's share of the civil society organisations which existed were controlled by the RCC (and almost all of what was left was CoI.) What were the chances of that state establishing proper, fit for purpose, secular, health, welfare and education systems?

As late as the 1950s the RCC opposed a rudimentary healthcare system for pregnant women and babies, because they would not have absolute control of it. McQuaid and co put their foot down and our elected government had no choice but to fall in line with their diktats. How many suffered and died as a direct result?

Divorce, contraception, "dirty books", abortion - RCC control over our laws was everywhere. And as late as the 1980s good luck finding a party, or more than a handful of independent politicians, who were prepared to stand up to them.

When the choice in the 1950s for the Irish people was between de Valera and Costello - what sort of a choice was that? Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A_Costello

We did not choose to give the RCC the power to control our laws, almost every aspect of our lives, vastly enrich themselves and rape our kids wholesale. They seized this power. They got away with it. They're still getting away with it. And while their power might (appear to) be gone, they're still vastly wealthy. National Maternity Hospital saga ain't over yet... and don't forget the 90% of our primary schools, which we pay for, but they control.

Best post on here so far.
And as you said in another post "what people get up to behind closed doors is their own business" well the RCs seem obsessed with what or who we all do in the privacy of our own homes

Truthvader · 06-08-2020 9:36am

maccored wrote: »

sf do punishment beatings now? SF, the political party. do punishment beatings. WTF are you on (about)?

Don't believe there is any difference between Sinn Fein and the IRA. One and the same. I am supported in the by the Garda Commissioner as per the link below. No doubt I will get the usual anti Guard rant from the Finn Fein mob on here.

Who to believe the leader of a force protecting the public from criminals who occasionally lose their lives in the service of others or the online representatives of an organisation steeped in crime of the most bestial kind including the murder of Guards? Mmmmmm....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-ira-still-controls-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4182679

Shefwedfan · 06-08-2020 9:45am

maccored wrote: »

yeah, still waiting for you to explain where SF have been kneecapping and killing people. instead what do we get? the usual ....

So you think we should just casually call child abuse “the usual”.

splinter65 · 06-08-2020 10:14am

maccored wrote: »

who says not to support big business? Its prioritising which is more important is the issue - people or commerce

Well if we have no money then we can’t support people. By support you mean provide people with the financial means to keep body and soul together when they can’t do it for themselves.
In this country we have a very generous support mechanism for people. It’s been particularly generous during the pandemic.
So I’m confused as to how you think that big business is being supported at the expense of supporting people. You’re not being very clear. Can you give me an example?

John Hutton · 06-08-2020 10:14am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Exactly this.

In post-Famine Ireland they took advantage of a downtrodden, broken nation to seize ever more power, influence and wealth for themselves. What was it our poor island really needed in the second half of the 19th century - that's right, a massive cathedral building programme :rolleyes:

They even built the biggest seminary in the world and got the Brits to pay for most of it.

The British allowed the RCC to seize control of civil society here in the hopes it would 'pacify' the Irish. The RCC in turn supported British rule here right up until it became obvious they were going to lose, then they switched sides and pretended they were nationalists or even republicans all along.

So in 1922 we got an impoverished state, shorn of most of its industry, ravaged by civil war, paying debts to Britain, where the lion's share of the civil society organisations which existed were controlled by the RCC (and almost all of what was left was CoI.) What were the chances of that state establishing proper, fit for purpose, secular, health, welfare and education systems?

As late as the 1950s the RCC opposed a rudimentary healthcare system for pregnant women and babies, because they would not have absolute control of it. McQuaid and co put their foot down and our elected government had no choice but to fall in line with their diktats. How many suffered and died as a direct result?

Divorce, contraception, "dirty books", abortion - RCC control over our laws was everywhere. And as late as the 1980s good luck finding a party, or more than a handful of independent politicians, who were prepared to stand up to them.

When the choice in the 1950s for the Irish people was between de Valera and Costello - what sort of a choice was that? Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A_Costello

We did not choose to give the RCC the power to control our laws, almost every aspect of our lives, vastly enrich themselves and rape our kids wholesale. They seized this power. They got away with it. They're still getting away with it. And while their power might (appear to) be gone, they're still vastly wealthy. National Maternity Hospital saga ain't over yet... and don't forget the 90% of our primary schools, which we pay for, but they control.

I suggest reading this book: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/how-religion-shaped-ireland-s-cultural-heritage-1.3735924

maccored · 06-08-2020 10:26am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you think we should just casually call child abuse “the usual”.

as casually as such things seems to be trudged out by some anytime SF is mentioned, yet claims of murder are casually ignored when asked to back it up.

More whataboutery here btw. I asked for truthvader to tell me when SF murdered people and he/she waffles on about something else. now you are getting offended and trying to make something out of what wasnt said.

maccored · 06-08-2020 10:41am

splinter65 wrote: »

Well if we have no money then we can’t support people. By support you mean provide people with the financial means to keep body and soul together when they can’t do it for themselves.
In this country we have a very generous support mechanism for people. It’s been particularly generous during the pandemic.
So I’m confused as to how you think that big business is being supported at the expense of supporting people. You’re not being very clear. Can you give me an example?

yeah yeah. to be frank - no. I think if you open your eyes and look around you'll find enough.

splinter65 · 06-08-2020 11:16am

maccored wrote: »

yeah yeah. to be frank - no. I think if you open your eyes and look around you'll find enough.

So you can’t give me any examples of how and when and where big business has been prioritised by this government at the expense of people. You can’t think of any? That’s because it just doesn’t happen.
It’s just more rubbish sound bites and propaganda spouted by SF that gullible vulnerable people swallow without having the capacity to question what they’re being fed.
SF were particularly successful with this line of fraud in the build up to the last GE to the extent where almost a 1/4 of the people who voted voted for them.
Fortunately almost 1/2 of the rest of the voters didn’t vote for them and the candidates they DID vote for thankfully refused to form a government with a MMT party that actually has an armed wing.
I shudder to think how the corona crisis would have been handled if SF had actually had to deal with a crisis situation.

maccored · 06-08-2020 12:30pm

splinter65 wrote: »

So you can’t give me any examples of how and when and where big business has been prioritised by this government at the expense of people. You can’t think of any? That’s because it just doesn’t happen.
It’s just more rubbish sound bites and propaganda spouted by SF that gullible vulnerable people swallow without having the capacity to question what they’re being fed.
SF were particularly successful with this line of fraud in the build up to the last GE to the extent where almost a 1/4 of the people who voted voted for them.
Fortunately almost 1/2 of the rest of the voters didn’t vote for them and the candidates they DID vote for thankfully refused to form a government with a MMT party that actually has an armed wing.
I shudder to think how the corona crisis would have been handled if SF had actually had to deal with a crisis situation.

i cant be arsed. thats the honest truth. if you are asking me to show you were the irish government has put corporate business before people then you are either blind or havent bothered looking.

For example - why do some large corporations get away with low tax whereas small businesses dont? Then plenty of examples - Im just not going to spoonfeed you

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 12:38pm

Truthvader wrote: »

I am supported in the by the Garda Commissioner as per the link below. No doubt I will get the usual anti Guard rant from the Finn Fein mob on here.

Ah, no, it's not like SF would ever be anti-Garda, even if the commissioner is an ex-RUC nordie prod! That appointment really p*ssed in SF's cornflakes :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-ira-still-controls-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4182679

Remember last year when Mary Lou said that a border poll wasn't appropriate at this time? Then after the lads from the Falls "had a word" she was out the next day saying there should be an immediate border poll?

splinter65 wrote: »

Fortunately almost 1/2 of the rest of the voters didn’t vote for them

Almost right - over half voted for the three coalition parties, and many more voted for the smaller non-SF parties and independents.

SF got a result which didn't even make them the biggest party, and they think they have a divine right to be in government! They need to make themselves fit for government and from where I'm standing, that's going to take at least another generation to flush out the rah-rah set and perhaps develop some sane economic policies.

maccored wrote: »

yeah yeah. to be frank - no. I think if you open your eyes and look around you'll find enough.

How many times over has SF's manifesto spent that imaginary Apple money by now?

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 12:38pm

John Hutton wrote: »

I suggest reading this book: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/how-religion-shaped-ireland-s-cultural-heritage-1.3735924

I read that book review at the time.
What points made within the book did you find particularly pertinent?

Author of the review is naive in the extreme if he thinks that we have separation of church and state because of repeal of the 8th. No sign of it happening in health, never mind in our education system which the RCC has in is death grip.

Bonniedog · 06-08-2020 1:02pm

maccored wrote: »

socialism is one word covering a multitude of levels. pretending it means one thing is a bit silly

It does actually fundamentally mean one thing - state or other form of collective ownership.

Nothing to with gender, gay marriage, hating religion, climate change and so on.

It's about ownership of the means of production.

SF are not socialists.

maccored · 06-08-2020 1:14pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

It does actually fundamentally mean one thing - state or other form of collective ownership.

Nothing to with gender, gay marriage, hating religion, climate change and so on.

It's about ownership of the means of production.

SF are not socialists.

Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems

I got that from wikipedia. Apparently its the bible - well truthvader quotes it a lot.

Heres another wiki quote:

"There are many varieties of socialism and no single definition encapsulates all of them"

Agreed state ownership is common, but not essential. Then again, are you telling me SF are fans of excessive privatisation? Do you slag off the SDs for using the word 'social'? How about labour? Or do you just prefer to restrict your definition to SF?

Bonniedog · 06-08-2020 3:11pm

Socialism is not socialism unless there is state/collective ownership.

As for privatisation, well SF did some of that last time they were in coalition with DUP. And called for lowering of corporation tax.

They are not even left unless you think Hilary Clinton or Macron or Trudeau is left. Post nationalist liberals be fair description.

Same applies to SDs and Labour.

maccored · 06-08-2020 3:15pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Socialism is not socialism unless there is state/collective ownership.

As for privatisation, well SF did some of that last time they were in coalition with DUP. And called for lowering of corporation tax.

They are not even left unless you think Hilary Clinton or Macron or Trudeau is left. Post nationalist liberals be fair description.

Same applies to SDs and Labour.

as i say - when have SF been calling for privatisation? @last time with the DUP'? And not demanding an increase in the corporation tax doesnt mean privatisation.

John Hutton · 06-08-2020 3:29pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I read that book review at the time.
What points made within the book did you find particularly pertinent?

Author of the review is naive in the extreme if he thinks that we have separation of church and state because of repeal of the 8th. No sign of it happening in health, never mind in our education system which the RCC has in is death grip.

I wasn't referring really to the review of the book, rather the book itself (review was first thing I could find)

The book gives a long account of Christianity in Ireland, the explanation and account of how and why the Catholic church became so popular (when in decline in other countries) is very interesting and I think reading it would add to your understanding of this area.

Bonniedog · 06-08-2020 3:46pm

maccored wrote: »

as i say - when have SF been calling for privatisation? @last time with the DUP'? And not demanding an increase in the corporation tax doesnt mean privatisation.

What sort of a socialist/left party proposes to lower corporation tax

Leading shinners also own businesses including a certain Belfast hotel and security firms in which there is no trade union representation.

splinter65 · 06-08-2020 4:01pm

maccored wrote: »

i cant be arsed. thats the honest truth. if you are asking me to show you were the irish government has put corporate business before people then you are either blind or havent bothered looking.

For example - why do some large corporations get away with low tax whereas small businesses dont? Then plenty of examples - Im just not going to spoonfeed you

Are these the large corporations your referring to
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/jobs/employment-fdi-multinationals-ireland-ida
The multinationals that employ nearly 1/4 million people in Ireland?

maccored · 06-08-2020 4:06pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

What sort of a socialist/left party proposes to lower corporation tax

Leading shinners also own businesses including a certain Belfast hotel and security firms in which there is no trade union representation.

more opinion rather than fact again. besides - not every shinner has to be exactly what the party espouses. You really are getting a tad silly.

Im ending my conversation with you here as you're going in circles

Mad_maxx · 06-08-2020 4:25pm

Big difference between SF North and South, their northern base wouldn't tolerate the uber PC WOKE agenda, much more socially conservative

The strategy this past number of years south of the border is that of Eoin o Broin ,he wants to court the middle class and feels cultural issues are the best way to do it

breezy1985 · 06-08-2020 4:47pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Big difference between SF North and South, their northern base wouldn't tolerate the uber PC WOKE agenda, much more socially conservative

The strategy this past number of years south of the border is that of Eoin o Broin ,he wants to court the middle class and feels cultural issues are the best way to do it

And where are you getting these facts about the intentions of the northern voter in regards to PC WOKE politics. I imagine the northern voter is quite understanding of BLM as their own civil rights movement was inspired by the black movement in the USA

Mad_maxx · 06-08-2020 6:06pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

And where are you getting these facts about the intentions of the northern voter in regards to PC WOKE politics. I imagine the northern voter is quite understanding of BLM as their own civil rights movement was inspired by the black movement in the USA

I didn't mention "BLM" in my post

SF have a much broader vote up north and people in Northern Ireland are more socially conservative anyway, hence the different strategy employed

Bonniedog · 06-08-2020 6:12pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

And where are you getting these facts about the intentions of the northern voter in regards to PC WOKE politics. I imagine the northern voter is quite understanding of BLM as their own civil rights movement was inspired by the black movement in the USA

The northern civil rights movement was about Catholics being discriminated against in elections, housing, etc.

I can't recall any riots over drug addled burglars?

It had connections with the actual black civil rights movement which has nothing whatsever to do with BLM/antifa and looters.

Shefwedfan · 06-08-2020 6:18pm

maccored wrote: »

as casually as such things seems to be trudged out by some anytime SF is mentioned, yet claims of murder are casually ignored when asked to back it up.

More whataboutery here btw. I asked for truthvader to tell me when SF murdered people and he/she waffles on about something else. now you are getting offended and trying to make something out of what wasnt said.

Im not Truthvader so not sure why you are making reference to that.

You posted this:

maccored wrote: »

not communism. SF grew in a society were people were being treated like ****, and as a party they developed to help people in whatever way they could in their limited ability.

Do you believe thisis correct?

maccored · 06-08-2020 7:04pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Im not Truthvader so not sure why you are making reference to that.

You posted this:

Do you believe thisis correct?

that was how we viewed them growing up - plus they did help out quite a few times when the RUC were more interested in seeing me get beaten to a pulp so yes, I do believe that to be correct otherwise I wouldnt have typed those words.

You were referencing truthvaders reply to what I posted - not to that post btw. hence why the mention. Whats your point exactly - or do you have one?

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 7:38pm

John Hutton wrote: »

I wasn't referring really to the review of the book, rather the book itself (review was first thing I could find)

The book gives a long account of Christianity in Ireland, the explanation and account of how and why the Catholic church became so popular (when in decline in other countries) is very interesting and I think reading it would add to your understanding of this area.

Yes I asked you about points in the book, not in the review - you haven't provided any. This is worse than someone saying "watch the video" - "but it's two hours long, what in the video is relevant?" - "just watch the video".

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 7:39pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Big difference between SF North and South, their northern base wouldn't tolerate the uber PC WOKE agenda, much more socially conservative

Whatever about this derogatory "woke" term people come out with, social conservatives do not support abortion rights - which SF came out in favour of up north. Where is their northern base going to go? The DUP?

Galwayguy35 · 06-08-2020 7:47pm

I'd always thought of SF as a party for the working class up North and the SDLP would have attracted the more middle class vote.

John Hutton · 06-08-2020 7:57pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yes I asked you about points in the book, not in the review - you haven't provided any. This is worse than someone saying "watch the video" - "but it's two hours long, what in the video is relevant?" - "just watch the video".

My previous posts about the position of the Catholic Church in the years after the famine and how and why it had such influence and power are somewhat based on the book, particularly chapters 7 and 8. The authors conclusions differ significantly from yours (and from mine in a number of areas).

The thrust of the book and in particular those chapters run contrary (in most aspects) to your account of the Catholic Church forcing itself upon the people and spreading it's tentacles forcibly and seizing power over a hapless population. Much of this impetus came from the people themselves and was fervently supported by them.
Of course, just because it was supported by the people doesnt mean it was good, that comes down to opinion.

I was trying to reccomend a good, recent book about what we were talking about, I found it very informing, even if I didn't like or agree with everything written in it.

I wasn't having a go, sorry if it seemed that way.

Mad_maxx · 06-08-2020 9:11pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Whatever about this derogatory "woke" term people come out with, social conservatives do not support abortion rights - which SF came out in favour of up north. Where is their northern base going to go? The DUP?

People in the North vote on the national question first and foremost so No ,their base won't defect to the DUP

The party is still more centrist up north however

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 9:41pm

Thanks for expanding on that.

There is the issue though that the people demanding more power and influence for the RCC had been brought up from birth to believe that catholicism equated with Irishness and with all that was right. There was a reason Edmund Rice set up expensive schools for the merchant classes as well as more austere ones for the poor - to build a catholic middle class that would do the church's bidding and fund its expansion. The character of the Irish RCC changed too, from pre-famine celtic influences towards clericalism and ultramontanism.

The irony (certainly from the British point of view) is that once we got catholic emancipation and land reform, we moved on from (as Britain hoped) being satisfied with those within a weak Home Rule framework, to demands for independent dominion status or a fully independent republic. It's said that the most dangerous time for an oppressive regime is when they start to make concessions.

Shefwedfan · 06-08-2020 9:50pm

maccored wrote: »

that was how we viewed them growing up - plus they did help out quite a few times when the RUC were more interested in seeing me get beaten to a pulp so yes, I do believe that to be correct otherwise I wouldnt have typed those words.

You were referencing truthvaders reply to what I posted - not to that post btw. hence why the mention. Whats your point exactly - or do you have one?

I didnt reference anything about Truthvader.

So you think raping women and children is not treating people like s**t?

Do you think taking a mother of 10 children, shooting in back of head and leaving on a beach was "helping people"? and all the other he ordered to disappear.

Also while Gerry was protecting child molester the likes of Mary Lou etc where all in the party and done zero to stop him. Not one of them stepped up. So they are all guilty of protecting a child molester and trying to silence a victim.

maccored · 06-08-2020 9:54pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I didnt reference anything about Truthvader.

So you think raping women and children is not treating people like s**t?

Do you think taking a mother of 10 children, shooting in back of head and leaving on a beach was "helping people"? and all the other he ordered to disappear.

Also while Gerry was protecting child molester the likes of Mary Lou etc where all in the party and done zero to stop him. Not one of them stepped up. So they are all guilty of protecting a child molester and trying to silence a victim.

when did i mention raping children? WTF are you talking about?

Shefwedfan · 06-08-2020 10:10pm

maccored wrote: »

when did i mention raping children? WTF are you talking about?

Google it. Let see if you want to repeat the below after you read up.

a party they developed to help people in whatever way they could in their limited ability.

Previously you tried to pass it off as "the usual". Not you don't understand. So which is it?

Odhinn · 06-08-2020 10:26pm

maccored wrote: »

when did i mention raping children? WTF are you talking about?

Best ignored, tbh.

06-08-2020 10:35pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Best ignored, tbh.

Its both amusing and disturbing to watch someone slowly depart reality and disappear down rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and increasingly foam at mouth about em

Kinda car crash stuff......but serious lolcow stuff

breezy1985 · 06-08-2020 11:09pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I didn't mention "BLM" in my post

SF have a much broader vote up north and people in Northern Ireland are more socially conservative anyway, hence the different strategy employed

Again show me where you get these facts about SF voters up north?
Which PC WOKE policies were you referring to earlier that people up north dont like?

maccored · 06-08-2020 11:21pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Google it. Let see if you want to repeat the below after you read up.

Previously you tried to pass it off as "the usual". Not you don't understand. So which is it?

what has "a party they developed to help people in whatever way they could in their limited ability" got to do with raping children?

Are you mad? I passed off Truthvader's reply as being 'the usual'. You know - remember the poster you claimed had nothing to do with this conversation? I replied to that poster then you butt in and start on about child rape. thats a bit sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.

maccored · 06-08-2020 11:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its both amusing and disturbing to watch someone slowly depart reality and disappear down rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and increasingly foam at mouth about em

Kinda car crash stuff......but serious lolcow stuff

its weirdo stuff if you ask me.

maccored · 06-08-2020 11:26pm

when did i mention raping children? WTF are you talking about?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Google it. Let see if you want to repeat the below after you read up.

google what? "when did i mention raping children?" I think you should go to bed and get some sleep

Edgware · 06-08-2020 11:53pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Again show me where you get these facts about SF voters up north?
Which PC WOKE policies were you referring to earlier that people up north dont like?

"PC woke"
FFS what ****e are you spouting more than usual?

Hotblack Desiato · 07-08-2020 3:04am

splinter65 wrote: »

Children of all religious beliefs and none are welcome in every school in Ireland. Did you not know that?

But some are more welcome than others.

Truthvader · 07-08-2020 9:41am

maccored wrote: »

as casually as such things seems to be trudged out by some anytime SF is mentioned, yet claims of murder are casually ignored when asked to back it up.

More whataboutery here btw. I asked for truthvader to tell me when SF murdered people and he/she waffles on about something else. now you are getting offended and trying to make something out of what wasnt said.

Again. Not true. I pointed out that Sinn Fein IRA are one and the same and provided evidence that this is also the view of the Garda Commissioner.

Up to the the installation of Mary Lou as a grotesque glove puppet Sinn Fein was openly run by Adams and McGuiness who personally directed the campaign of murder for 30 years. As per the confirmation from the Garda Commissioner the real controllers of Sinn Fein are now less visible. The truth of this position is of course further evidenced by the Sinn Fein posters here and their twisting justifications for the endless list of atrocities carried out by their leaders

That is why I believe Sinn Fein are complicit in the murder and maiming of men women and children. On a brighter note the Commissioner does say that the organisation is now peaceful.

Shefwedfan · 07-08-2020 9:43am

maccored wrote: »

what has "a party they developed to help people in whatever way they could in their limited ability" got to do with raping children?

Are you mad? I passed off Truthvader's reply as being 'the usual'. You know - remember the poster you claimed had nothing to do with this conversation? I replied to that poster then you butt in and start on about child rape. thats a bit sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are obsessed with Truthvader. You quoted my post and passed my comment off as "the usual". I have zero reference to Truthvader or never made any reference to him/her.

As usual start with the personal insults.

Are you incapable of following the conversation? You said SF tried to help people. In fact SF covered up rape and child abuse. When people tried to go to press they tried to put a gagging order. Are you denying that happened?

breezy1985 · 07-08-2020 10:08am

Edgware wrote: »

"PC woke"
FFS what ****e are you spouting more than usual?

Those were the words used by the poster I was replying too

maccored · 07-08-2020 11:53am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You are obsessed with Truthvader. You quoted my post and passed my comment off as "the usual". I have zero reference to Truthvader or never made any reference to him/her.

As usual start with the personal insults.

Are you incapable of following the conversation? You said SF tried to help people. In fact SF covered up rape and child abuse. When people tried to go to press they tried to put a gagging order. Are you denying that happened?

ah - my genuine apologies then as I had been answering a different post - quoted yours by accident. Seriously - sorry about that

Hotblack Desiato · 07-08-2020 9:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its both amusing and disturbing to watch someone slowly depart reality and disappear down rabbit hole of conspiracy theories

Gerry Adams' brother is a convicted child rapist, fact.

Gerry while leader of SF protected him, fact.

Feck help us if SF ever get in charge of the Department of Education, first act will be to burn all the history books and then literally rewrite history

RandomViewer · 07-08-2020 9:07pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Gerry Adams' brother is a convicted child rapist, fact.

Gerry while leader of SF protected him, fact.

Feck help us if SF ever get in charge of the Department of Education, first act will be to burn all the history books and then literally rewrite history

You can swap Michael Noonan for Adam's and friend for brother and run the same story, I can throw in a few other TDs from other parties who did the same.They all did wrong but for you Adam's seems worse than Noonans?

Truthvader · 07-08-2020 11:00pm

What is Noonan being accused of and by who?

Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic?

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