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Compiling a list of FG poor performance

  • 05-12-2019 3:32pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭


    lads, I would like to compile a list of FG poor performance, to be used on boards and elsewhere, as a reference to the **** show they and many of their td's have provided us with. This will be particularly useful in the run up to the GE

    In the roughly nine years they are in power, can we start compiling a list? I know Matt , Johnny Doggs and the usual suspects will be along shortly to assist :D

    Dara Murphy
    Maria Bailey
    NCH
    NBP
    health crisis
    housing crisis

    Hopefully you have an hour or so to help me massively expand this list lads! I will give FG credit for telling RTE to live within their means, which will still be outrageous means, but some credit where it is due :rolleyes:

    Dont thin we can really blame FG for the printer scandal either?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus, do we need another FG thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Boggles wrote: »
    Jesus, do we need another FG thread?

    I'm sorry, but yes, I am being totally genuine here. I want tens of thousands of people to see this list on social media, the journal, boards etc. These rats take nearly one hundred k a year from me in taxes, through my business and personal taxes. At this stage, I am prepared to even put up sponsored ads on social media! Whats a few thousand, when I am getting done for over a hundred thousand a year?

    Its unbelievable that no new credible party can emerge, when its an open goal. Media complicit in the bull****. the people wont force change. When they start getting specifically targeted on social media etc, given that all they care about retaining power, their image etc, this might work. I see the face of these morons on my local paper this morning, more propaganda. They should spend less time splashing their faces across papers and more time delivering. Nine years, a booming economy and the place is a farce! With health, housing going backwards! Third world dublin infrastructure etc.. I dont want to start compiling another list that will take me days :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but yes, I am being totally genuine here. I want tens of thousands of people to see this list on social media, the journal, boards etc. These rats take nearly one hundred k a year from me in taxes, through my business and personal taxes. At this stage, I am prepared to even put up sponsored ads on social media! Whats a few thousand, when I am getting done for over a hundred thousand a year?

    Its unbelievable that no new credible party can emerge, when its an open goal. Media complicit in the bull****. the people wont force change. When they start getting specifically targeted on social media etc, given that all they care about retaining power, their image etc, this might work. I see the face of these morons on my local paper this morning, more propaganda. They should spend less time splashing their faces across papers and more time delivering. Nine years, a booming economy and the place is a farce! With health, housing going backwards! Third world dublin infrastructure etc.. I dont want to start compiling another list that will take me days :rolleyes:

    But you think Peter Casey is going to make it all better?

    Also didn't you vote for Fine Gael?

    Just save your money and vote for someone else in the Spring - anyone on here who is going to vote for someone else will, and anyone that will vote for Fine Gael will.

    A 13th thread about them isn't going yo make any difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Boggles wrote: »
    But you think Peter Casey is going to make it all better?

    Also didn't you vote for Fine Gael?

    Just save your money and vote for someone else in the Spring - anyone on here who is going to vote for someone else will, and anyone that will vote for Fine Gael will.

    A 13th thread about them isn't going yo make any difference.

    a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word. Peter Casey would get a mass amount of media attention which would be priceless, I reckon if he started a new party before this GE and had candidates in place, he could win around the ten seat mark! Which would be very significant here!

    As if I think peter casey is a messiah, but he is one person, who resonated with a lot of people. Isnt a professional liar like the others. He expressed an interested in politics and went from less than 1% to low 20's in the presidential election, because of speaking the truth on a single topic!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    Peter Casey can barely string a sentence together, fair play to him for being a successful business man but he’s not a politician.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word. Peter Casey would get a mass amount of media attention which would be priceless, I reckon if he started a new party before this GE and had candidates in place, he could win around the ten seat mark! Which would be very significant here!

    As if I think peter casey is a messiah, but he is one person, who resonated with a lot of people. Isnt a professional liar like the others. He expressed an interested in politics and went from less than 1% to low 20's in the presidential election, because of speaking the truth on a single topic!!!

    You think Casey is a straight shooter shouting out populous incoherent nonsense?

    I'd rather have Inda and his fables back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    So you're advocating readers to vote against FG without making any suggestion as to where their votes should go?

    In other words, effectively you're saying that every other voting option is better than FG?

    Really?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion.

    FG are left?! Pull the other one, mate. Thought you lot called them “fascists”?

    Which is it?
    Idbatterim wrote: »
    yes previous FG voter

    Sure you were.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    And people think there is some paid FG network working here.

    Let’s be honest there is posters operating here full time by political parties to lay into FG everyday.

    Not one thread about FF and the way they are keeping them in power and are hypocrites of the highest order.

    I put up an article of how FF blew 10 billion in 10 years with overspend and unfinished projects and seems no one cares about that.

    FG are making a mess of things but there is no balance here and seems a concentrated effort to just have it all about them.

    How many threads have been started yesterday and today?

    EDIT- just heard the central bank boss saying seems people and banks are forgetting how bad the country was through Austerity caused by wreckless lending.


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    Why is that National Concert Hall on that list


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    And people think there is some paid FG network working here.

    Let’s be honest there is posters operating here full time by political parties to lay into FG everyday.

    Not one thread about FF and the way they are keeping them in power and are hypocrites of the highest order.

    I put up an article of how FF blew 10 billion in 10 years with overspend and unfinished projects and seems no one cares about that.

    FG are making a mess of things but there is no balance here and seems a concentrated effort to just have it all about them.

    How many threads have been started yesterday and today?

    EDIT- just heard the central bank boss saying seems people and banks are forgetting how bad the country was through Austerity caused by wreckless lending.
    but jingle, we are talking about FG. They said they would represent taxpayers, they lied. they are the only party to claim they would, so I am left with nobody. You can then go onto the piss poor performance. I dont think another confidence and supply should be tolerated by the public. Given its going to be another joke of a dail, with the same morons. I just hope its the greens, who are also comedians, propping it up, if they need a few extra seats to form a government. I mean they are the irish version of the greens , so total hypocrites. from dieselgate, to banging on about sustainability, while objecting to four floors in dublin suburbs etc, but at least they offer something on the environment etc. better than the Independent alliance fools!

    FG were in power with labour, before this current shambles of an arrangement came into place. FG always talk about time, it takes time, how long do they want? another century? The other options are blatant comedy, worse probably! But I cannot sit back and be lied to by Lieo etc again, about rewarding work etc. the luxury apartments in dundrun they are handing out, is an insult, to working people I know in the area, sleeping in converted garages! their arrogance is offensive...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but yes, I am being totally genuine here. I want tens of thousands of people to see this list on social media, the journal, boards etc. These rats take nearly one hundred k a year from me in taxes, through my business and personal taxes. At this stage, I am prepared to even put up sponsored ads on social media! Whats a few thousand, when I am getting done for over a hundred thousand a year?

    Its unbelievable that no new credible party can emerge, when its an open goal. Media complicit in the bull****. the people wont force change. When they start getting specifically targeted on social media etc, given that all they care about retaining power, their image etc, this might work. I see the face of these morons on my local paper this morning, more propaganda. They should spend less time splashing their faces across papers and more time delivering. Nine years, a booming economy and the place is a farce! With health, housing going backwards! Third world dublin infrastructure etc.. I dont want to start compiling another list that will take me days :rolleyes:

    2 things,

    1 id be surprised if they are taking it from you specifically.

    2 this should be done for all parties and independents in fairness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Cost of children's hospital could jump by €50m https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1205/1097221-childrens-hospital/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    FG are left?! Pull the other one, mate. Thought you lot called them “fascists”?

    Which is it?



    Sure you were.

    emmet, do FG preside over an outrageous welfare state? Do FG hit workers with an obscene rate of marginal tax, over a pittance of an income? now , if that isnt left, what is?

    Of course on housing they are the other extreme, gouge you every last cent, assuming you are a worker and wont be handed out a free house or one for a pittance of "rent"...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    OP do you ever think that the reason no party or politician represents you is that your views are too extreme and not shared by the majority?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Would op have been a supporter of the PDs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Suckit wrote: »
    Cost of children's hospital could jump by €50m https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1205/1097221-childrens-hospital/

    cant face reading another link! sure 50 million is pittance in the scheme of that farce! is it 50,000,000 a day over run? for a printer? changing the colours of the internal walls?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Would op have been a supporter of the PDs?

    yes the pd's a centreist party. Pity they wound down, the way this place is gone, they wouldnt even have to bother canvassing anymore! Shows you how left this country is. I was in the states months back, get chatting to people as you do! I would be deemed a bleeding hearty leftist over there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    yes the pd's a centreist party. Pity they wound down, the way this place is gone, they wouldnt even have to bother canvassing anymore! Shows you how left this country is. I was in the states months back, get chatting to people as you do! I would be deemed a bleeding hearty leftist over there!

    The PDs were fiscally extremely right of centre for Ireland.

    The USA is a hugely right wing country with barely concealed racism rampant and plenty of examples of lack of government support causing societal issues. I'm right wing here and happy with it but I'd be a proud Lefty in the states, they are mental regarding political discourse since they are a two party system.

    The PDs demise was the fact that they didn't walk out of government when McDowell had the chance. They should a lack of a spine and had a small base.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/what-is-the-truth-about-paying-tax-in-ireland-1.4101097

    the truth about paying tax in ireland, higher paid get slaughtered, what a total shocker!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    emmet, do FG preside over an outrageous welfare state?

    Bang, you've just lost the argument.

    A Welfare state is an absolutely tremendous thing, unfortunately Ireland is not one of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    The PDs were fiscally extremely right of centre for Ireland.

    The PDs demise was the fact that they didn't walk out of government when McDowell had the chance. They should a lack of a spine and had a small base.

    Correct.

    Mad Dog McDowell was really enjoying being Tanaiste and Minister for Justice so, when the minor issue of Bertie's dodgy dig-outs cropped up, he completely copped out. Talked big, but when the opportunity came for him to show the Irish electorate that the Pee Dees genuinely stood for a different sort of politics, he was found lacking. I was delighted by his hissy fit when he lost his seat in the subsequent election!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Boggles wrote: »
    Bang, you've just lost the argument.

    A Welfare state is an absolutely tremendous thing, unfortunately Ireland is not one of them.

    free travel, medical cars, the lot, over 20,000,000,000 for a country with 5 million people!

    How much is the uk giving out for their welfare bonus per person? care to guess?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    171170 wrote: »
    So you're advocating readers to vote against FG without making any suggestion as to where their votes should go?

    In other words, effectively you're saying that every other voting option is better than FG?

    Really?

    Bumped this up.

    You've been on this thread since I asked you, but haven't bothered - or aren't able - to answer a pretty straightforward question.

    Now, put up or shut up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,992 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its easy to compile a list of mistakes a political party has made when they have been in power.

    No-one gets its right.

    Especially easy to slag if you're a supporter of a party that'll never have to worry about making the difficult decisions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    And people think there is some paid FG network working here.

    Let’s be honest there is posters operating here full time by political parties to lay into FG everyday.

    Not one thread about FF and the way they are keeping them in power and are hypocrites of the highest order.

    I put up an article of how FF blew 10 billion in 10 years with overspend and unfinished projects and seems no one cares about that.

    FG are making a mess of things but there is no balance here and seems a concentrated effort to just have it all about them.

    How many threads have been started yesterday and today?

    EDIT- just heard the central bank boss saying seems people and banks are forgetting how bad the country was through Austerity caused by wreckless lending.

    TBF, you pre-empt quotes from Leo the day before they appear in the press. You raised Frances Fitzgerald yesterday in defence of Dara Murphy, and lo, Leo was cited doing same today. Coincidence....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its easy to compile a list of mistakes a political party has made when they have been in power.

    No-one gets its right.

    Especially easy to slag if you're a supporter of a party that'll never have to worry about making the difficult decisions.

    People loosing their marbles over the printer yet FF wasted 50 million on e voting machines.

    We are paying 1.5 billion a year debt due to FF.

    The Children’s hospital will be around 800 million over budget.

    A disgrace but the debt we pay back in one year is twice that overspend.

    Yet FF will be back in power next year.

    Very short memories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    171170 wrote: »
    Bumped this up.

    You've been on this thread since I asked you, but haven't bothered - or aren't able - to answer a pretty straightforward question.

    Now, put up or shut up.

    I'd say yes. Every other voting option is better even Fianna Fail and I think they should be made an illegal organisation based on past actions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    free travel, medical cars, the lot, over 20,000,000,000 for a country with 5 million people!

    Which in terms of money is about 14th on the list in Europe

    Your "list" of grievances in your opening post wouldn't exist in a welfare state.

    Obviously you show the same level of nuance as Peter Casey.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    lads, I would like to compile a list of FG poor performance, to be used on boards and elsewhere, as a reference to the **** show they and many of their td's have provided us with. This will be particularly useful in the run up to the GE

    In the roughly nine years they are in power, can we start compiling a list? I know Matt , Johnny Doggs and the usual suspects will be along shortly to assist :D

    Dara Murphy
    Maria Bailey
    NCH
    NBP
    health crisis
    housing crisis

    Hopefully you have an hour or so to help me massively expand this list lads! I will give FG credit for telling RTE to live within their means, which will still be outrageous means, but some credit where it is due :rolleyes:

    Dont thin we can really blame FG for the printer scandal either?

    Direct Provision
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    I'd say yes. Every other voting option is better even Fianna Fail and I think they should be made an illegal organisation based on past actions.

    You're living down to my expectations, Matt! Imagine endorsing a vote for the likes of the Healy Raes or Shane Ross!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    171170 wrote: »
    Correct.

    Mad Dog McDowell was really enjoying being Tanaiste and Minister for Justice so, when the minor issue of Bertie's dodgy dig-outs cropped up, he completely copped out. Talked big, but when the opportunity came for him to show the Irish electorate that the Pee Dees genuinely stood for a different sort of politics, he was found lacking. I was delighted by his hissy fit when he lost his seat in the subsequent election!

    I was hoping they would walk. Hoped they would be a catalyst for change in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    please, the internet isnt big enough to contain the list of useless sods in FG or the others for that matter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Peter Casey can barely string a sentence together, fair play to him for being a successful business man but he’s not a politician.

    Who cares. Trump can hardly string two words together and he's done wonders for Americans. Politicians all talk a good game that's the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Who cares. Trump can hardly string two words together and he's done wonders for Americans. Politicians all talk a good game that's the problem.

    casey cant string two sentences together, but obviously did ok for himself in his personal life?... Now lets take a look at a smooth talker, who will we pick? how about king spoofer himself? Varadkar, that joke, that joke is the reason that I doubt many people care for these wafflers anymore, an expert on every ministry but his own! But yeah, lets get more spoofers in, exactly what the country needs :rolleyes:

    given that varadkar had the answer to everything, how is it even conceivable that during a boom , with very low official unemployment, that they are in danger of playing second fiddle to the other unstoppable joke of a force in irish politics, FF?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭zephyro


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    These rats take nearly one hundred k a year from me in taxes, through my business and personal taxes.

    If this is true, why don't you just change your tax residence to somewhere with less ridiculous taxes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    zephyro wrote: »
    If this is true, why don't you just change your tax residence to somewhere with less ridiculous taxes?
    Some crazy folk think there may be something worth staying here and fighting for. Hoping that one day we can remove corruption to almost zero levels and have a lot more transparency hopefully leading to a reduction in taxes. But as I said, that's just some crazy folks and their pipe dreams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word. Peter Casey would get a mass amount of media attention which would be priceless, I reckon if he started a new party before this GE and had candidates in place, he could win around the ten seat mark! Which would be very significant here!

    As if I think peter casey is a messiah, but he is one person, who resonated with a lot of people. Isnt a professional liar like the others. He expressed an interested in politics and went from less than 1% to low 20's in the presidential election, because of speaking the truth on a single topic!!!

    How can they be left and not reward workers, that in itself doesn't work. The further right you go the more power workers as a whole lose.

    Casey is one person, he doesn't have a party or more to the point lead a party so at this point couldn't be Taoiseach and can't run the country.

    Re welfare. The majority of welfare spending is on pensions and disability/carers. Any party attempting to cut either majorly would be gone in 6 months. The strongest and most vocal voting segment in this country are pensioners. Ireland's population is aging so those segments will grow over next two to three decades. FG have also cut welfare everywhere they could. Rates now and in 2009 have remained the same, again not something a left wing party would do.

    There is a constant crisis in our health department. Closing smaller hospitals emergency units much as Roscommon (again not a something a left wing party would do) has contributed to the crisis but Irelands population has increased by 1 million since 2002 with very few extra beds added and we had a health crisis in 2002 and 2007 https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/more-than-41000-on-waiting-lists-44215.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭christy c


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    This will be particularly useful in the run up to the GE

    No, on its own it will be useless. You would need to do this for all parties you are considering voting for, given the poor standard of politics.

    Although some idiots seem to think things can't get any worse, despite our neighbors making a dog's dinner their country with Brexit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Cervical Check scandal. Ongoing.

    The expensive, bloated superquango that is Irish Water.

    "Not Another Red Cent"...Negotiating a terrible deal with the EU for accepting private banking debt onto our national debt. Our national debt will cripple us in the next recession.

    Insurance Fraud and Costs. Alan Farrell. Josepha Madigan.

    Garda Corruption. Faking breath tests, penalty points, Maurice McCabe (to be fair Leo did the right thing there and I commend him for it) etc.

    Seanad Reform.

    Childrens Hospital saga.

    Dodgy Expenses (I don't think we know the half of it)

    Giving total failures like Phil Hogan and Dara Murphy big jobs in the EU.

    Publishing the New Politics document and then ignoring it completely when in government.

    The rehabilitation of Fianna Fail.

    Fine Gael are the party of waste, corruption and fraud. And I voted for them for nearly 20 years!
    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Cervical Check scandal. Ongoing.

    The expensive, bloated superquango that is Irish Water.

    "Not Another Red Cent"...Negotiating a terrible deal with the EU for accepting private banking debt onto our national debt. Our national debt will cripple us in the next recession.

    Insurance Fraud and Costs. Alan Farrell. Josepha Madigan.

    Garda Corruption. Faking breath tests, penalty points, Maurice McCabe (to be fair Leo did the right thing there and I commend him for it) etc.

    Seanad Reform.

    Childrens Hospital saga.

    Dodgy Expenses (I don't think we know the half of it)

    Publishing the New Politics document and then ignoring it completely when in government.

    The rehabilitation of Fianna Fail.

    Fine Gael are the party of waste, corruption and fraud. And I voted for them for nearly 20 years!
    .

    And what are FF?

    Waste- Check

    Corruption- Check

    Fraud- Check


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    And what are FF?

    Waste- Check

    Corruption- Check

    Fraud- Check

    2 wrongs don't make a right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    2 wrongs don't make a right

    Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Diceicle wrote:
    Direct Provision Irish Water


    31 posts before Irish water is mentioned. It just shows what short memories we have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?

    Jesus, go back to the time of the bail out you might find a few.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Boggles wrote: »
    Jesus, go back to the time of the bail out you might find a few.

    Seems all is forgiven.


  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭terenc


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    How can they be left and not reward workers, that in itself doesn't work. The further right you go the more power workers as a whole lose.

    Casey is one person, he doesn't have a party or more to the point lead a party so at this point couldn't be Taoiseach and can't run the country.

    Re welfare. The majority of welfare spending is on pensions and disability/carers. Any party attempting to cut either majorly would be gone in 6 months. The strongest and most vocal voting segment in this country are pensioners. Ireland's population is aging so those segments will grow over next two to three decades. FG have also cut welfare everywhere they could. Rates now and in 2009 have remained the same, again not something a left wing party would do.

    There is a constant crisis in our health department. Closing smaller hospitals emergency units much as Roscommon (again not a something a left wing party would do) has contributed to the crisis but Irelands population has increased by 1 million since 2002 with very few extra beds added and we had a health crisis in 2002 and 2007 https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/more-than-41000-on-waiting-lists-44215.html
    Casey might be one person and have no party backing but what he has is honesty which is in short supply in Irish Politics and I admire him for that , this country is slowly becoming a country of freeloaders "why work or get out of bed for anything less then 200 euros a week and if your in Government your a lotto winner" The workers (which we are running low on I would say are rightly pissed of with the social welfare system in this country stay in bed and we will reward you and its not your fault that society has failed you and the worker has not paid enough tax over to youse. Great country if your not a worker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,813 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word.

    I know you're not being truly self-deprecating here, but anyone with much political awareness would have recognized that stuff about 'rewarding workers' was just idle talk. FG face no serious competition to their right so they are inevitably going to be dragged towards more welfarist policies for fear of losing votes to FF and the soft-left parties.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?

    Name the FF TDs that have been up to their neck in insurance fraud and dodgy expenses in the last 6 months.

    I can name the FG ones for you.

    Maria Bailey
    Alan Farrell
    Josepha Madigan
    Dara Murphy
    Enda Kenny
    Michelle Mulherrin (Senator now I know but she did the same when a TD in 2016 and somehow is still at it)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    To be fair the Irish electorate fcuked most of the FF TDs out of the Dail in 2011 and with good cause (they only had 20 seats after GE11)

    Enda and his diabolical leadership and Irish Water allowed FF make a mini comeback in 2016 (they rose to 44 seats)

    Leo is making them looking like competent angels.


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