Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

weldoninhio · 17-10-2019 8:10am

Tell me how wrote: »

Sorry, but that is just some fantasy you're clinging to.
It has no basis in the reality of what age has said or done over the last year.

https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g

She couldn’t answer a simple question, that is right down her alley. But no script and Greta can’t act.

17-10-2019 8:11am

its beautiful isnt it. greta fans vs greta sceptics

GS:"shes just a child. why is anyone looking to her for solutions?"

GF:"listen to greta saying listen to the scientists! what a hero"

GS: "the main stuff she says that gets attention seems to be questionable at best. why do we need a child to tell anyone to listen to scientists?"

GF: "no she literally only says to listen to scientists she has literally made tens of millions of people walk on roads zomg we are saved"

GS: "that addresses......none of the questions?"

GF: "why do you hate the planet. why do you hate children and women?"

GS:" is....that your case? that asking questions about all of this means i hate the planet, or greta, or anything? why is her message a non-message, why is she platformed so heavily while clearly not being qualified for any of this?'

GF:"shes just a child. why is anyone looking to her for solutions?"

and rotate

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 8:32am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its beautiful isnt it. greta fans vs greta sceptics

GS:"shes just a child. why is anyone looking to her for solutions?"

GF:"listen to greta saying listen to the scientists! what a hero"

GS: "the main stuff she says that gets attention seems to be questionable at best. why do we need a child to tell anyone to listen to scientists?"

GF: "no she literally only says to listen to scientists she has literally made tens of millions of people walk on roads zomg we are saved"

GS: "that addresses......none of the questions?"

GF: "why do you hate the planet. why do you hate children and women?"

GS:" is....that your case? that asking questions about all of this means i hate the planet, or greta, or anything? why is her message a non-message, why is she platformed so heavily while clearly not being qualified for any of this?'

GF:"shes just a child. why is anyone looking to her for solutions?"

and rotate

imaginative way to present the thread.
False of course.

It originates from a basis of misunderstanding of course, but that is par for the course for your sceptics.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 8:37am

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g

She couldn’t answer a simple question, that is right down her alley. But no script and Greta can’t act.

A - I'd like to see when that panel was held and what the rest if it consisted of.

B - it is misrepresenting the basis for assessing Greta. Sceptics are saying "Oh but she doesn't have all the answers", supporters of her are saying "no one has said she does, her message is solid, the impact is evident, why do you have an issue with that?

weldoninhio · 17-10-2019 9:18am

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A - I'd like to see when that panel was held and what the rest if it consisted of.

B - it is misrepresenting the basis for assessing Greta. Sceptics are saying "Oh but she doesn't have all the answers", supporters of her are saying "no one has said she does, her message is solid, the impact is evident, why do you have an issue with that?

B is bollix. She was asked her opinion. Without a script she had none. She wasn’t asked a scientific question, merely her own opinion and she couldn’t answer it.

is_that_so · 17-10-2019 9:24am

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She's. 16.

What level of knowledge and ability to think quickly and articulate do you think the average 16 year old has in their second language.

Actually a whole of Swedes and other northern Europeans would be as good if not a lot better than her. Don't assume that what we call second language learning bears any resemblance to the very high level of English fluency that comes out of some of those education systems.

gozunda · 17-10-2019 10:56am

Queue the latest twitter spiel from the kid who is bunking off school and now advocating that people should break the law

Thunberg says Extinction Rebellion should defy the law

All this from the kid that blames the adults for ruining her future ...

What a delight and inspiration to others - this kid really is ...

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:04am

gozunda wrote: »

Queue the latest twitter spiel from the kid who is bunking off school and now advocating that people should break the law

Thunberg says Extinction Rebellion should defy the law

All this from the kid that blames the adults for ruining her future ...

What a delight and inspiration to others - this kid really is ...

And, once again, you know she is not bunking off school, she has taken a year out. It doesn't reflect well on you to not be able to recall that fact day after day.

It's specifically the controversial law brought in in London preventing assembly.
She is not saying all laws must be broken.
Are you ok with free expression being quashed?

rafatoni · 17-10-2019 11:09am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I see Lewis Hamilton is jumping on the bandwagon too. Complaining about everyone else while he flies all over the world to races and his stupid fashion events. Oh, and he's also ambassador for the Petronas oil company.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2019/10/15/lewis-hamilton-sparks-concern-social-media-post-stating-feel/amp/#aoh=15712951021692&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Owns a 15 million pound private jet and a few million pound worth fleet of cars that have probs 5 litre engines. Absolute tool and this is the sort of nupty peddling stuff he hasnt got a clue about.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:09am

is_that_so wrote: »

Actually a whole of Swedes and other northern Europeans would be as good if not a lot better than her. Don't assume that what we call second language learning bears any resemblance to the very high level of English fluency that comes out of some of those education systems.

Pity, they haven't managed to attract people to a particular message as Greta has. She's doing quite well given her inferiority to so many more. Isn't she?

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 11:16am

Is Greta still a thing?

The press releases appear to have dried up since her absolutely disastrous performance at the UN...

How come the world is always ending in 10 years?

Why not tomorrow?

And why do none of the diatribes begin:

"I am going to show you how to save the world AND save money"?

Oh, wait, I know the answer to that one. TAXES.

Money is the answer to almost all questions.

gozunda · 17-10-2019 11:22am

Tell me how wrote: »

And, once again, you know she is not bunking off school, she has taken a year out. It doesn't reflect well on you to not be able to recall that fact day after day. It's specifically the controversial law brought in in London preventing assembly.
She is not saying all laws must be broken.
Are you ok with free expression being quashed?

And once again you know she has not referred to returning to school. In fact she has clearly stated school/ study is a waste of time because supposedly according to her - civilisation is going tits up in 10 years time. It really doesn't reflect well on you to not be able to recall any of that fact day after day.

Those protestors are a bunch of eejits who are now thankfully being properly dealt with by the police. And funnily enough even the general public are now fed up with their antics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-50079716

It’s all about white middle-class people protesting about something that might happen.

Funny that....

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 11:30am

A very good friend of mine was a vegan for 17 YEARS.

After Greta appeared on the news for the umpteenth time a few Saturdays ago, he said:

"To hell with this nonsense."

He walked down to Moore Street and bought a T-Bone steak. Cooked it. Ate it. Loved it.

Greta truly did make a difference.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:38am

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

A very good friend of mine was a vegan for 17 YEARS.

After Greta appeared on the news for the umpteenth time a few Saturdays ago, he said:

"To hell with this nonsense."

He walked down to Moore Street and bought a T-Bone steak. Cooked it. Ate it. Loved it.

Greta truly did make a difference.

'Google, give me an example of a someone making up a story about something that never happened'

hetuzozaho · 17-10-2019 11:39am

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

A very good friend of mine was a vegan for 17 YEARS.

After Greta appeared on the news for the umpteenth time a few Saturdays ago, he said:

"To hell with this nonsense."

He walked down to Moore Street and bought a T-Bone steak. Cooked it. Ate it. Loved it.

Greta truly did make a difference.

I do enjoy an ol steak! Haha

The reports from London seem strange to me. Why are they blocking tube users, public transport users?

Awful to see people fighting anyway, as they are fighting the wrong people you know. If extinction rebellion want some kind of action from the government I don't think fighting in public transport hubs is the way to go haha

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:41am

gozunda wrote: »

And once again you know she has not referred to returning to school. In fact she has clearly stated school/ study is a waste of time because supposedly according to her - civilisation is going tits up in 10 years time. It really doesn't reflect well on you to not be able to recall any of that fact day after day.

Those protestors are a bunch of eejits who are now thankfully being properly dealt with by the police. And funnily enough even the general public are now fed up with their antics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-50079716

Funny that....

I already pointed out I don't believe Greta is encouraging all law breaking.
Those protestors are stupidly defeating the purpose of protesting about the environment by disrupting the use of public transport.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 11:41am

@ Tell me How

'Google, give me an example of a someone making up a story about something that WILL NEVER HAPPEN'

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:43am

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

@ Tell me How

'Google, give me an example of a someone making up a story about something that WILL NEVER HAPPEN'

You don't have next weeks lotto numbers by any chance?

P.S. Listen to the scientists.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 11:43am

* Spoiler alert!

You will get an image of reGreta.

jackboy · 17-10-2019 11:44am

hetuzozaho wrote: »

The reports from London seem strange to me. Why are they blocking tube users, public transport users?

Because deep down most of them have no interest in the climate or protecting the environment.

They are generally wasters who want an excuse to scream abuse at strangers and misbehave in public. Essentially children who have never grown up.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 11:46am

"You don't have next weeks lotto numbers by any chance?

P.S. Listen to the scientists."

Always bet the birthdays.

Which scientists?

I almost admire your tenacity but shouldn't you be out their saving the world. Save it for me. Please.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 17-10-2019 11:49am

rafatoni wrote: »

Owns a 15 million pound private jet and a few million pound worth fleet of cars that have probs 5 litre engines. Absolute tool and this is the sort of nupty peddling stuff he hasnt got a clue about.

There’s a lot of that. As long as environmentalism is the rich and extreme producers of carbon lecturing the rest of us it will fail.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 17-10-2019 11:57am

jackboy wrote: »

Because deep down most of them have no interest in the climate or protecting the environment.

They are generally wasters who want an excuse to scream abuse at strangers and misbehave in public. Essentially children who have never grown up.

That’s true too.

A new environmentalist movement which isn’t run by the rich or the upper middle classes is needed.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 11:58am

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Which scientists?

Start with those that contributed to the IPCC report of October 2018.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 12:00pm

reGreta

reGreta

reGreta

YOU HAVE STOLEN MY CHILDHOOD!

LOL

It was/is an attempt at social priming.

For what?

TAXES

It/she failed. What may have worked in 1930s Germany doesn't work for most of the masses any longer.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 12:02pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

reGreta

reGreta

reGreta

YOU HAVE STOLEN MY CHILDHOOD!

LOL

It was/is an attempt at social priming.

For what?

TAXES

It/she failed. What may have worked in 1930s Germany doesn't work for most of the masses any longer.

Well, the average IQ of the thread moved considerably when you joined it.

Want to guess which direction?

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 12:04pm

Playing the man there?

Don't worry, I'm not a "liberal" so I won't report you!

I can take a dig ;-)

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 12:33pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Playing the man there?

Don't worry, I'm not a "liberal" so I won't report you!

I can take a dig ;-)

Sorry I offended you. Hope we can be friends.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 12:40pm

Yes, Greta, we can be friends. :-)

And that, folks, is how Climate Change was solved on Walton Mountain! ;-)

* And remember, always take care of YOUR environment.

TC

RB

gozunda · 17-10-2019 12:47pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Pity, they haven't managed to attract people to a particular message as Greta has. She's doing quite well given her inferiority to so many more. Isn't she?

Hmmm now which message are we talking about exactly?

Is it the most recent one where greta is scolding the adults that they have stolen her childhood etc. And how dare they!

My message is that we'll be watching you. This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you!

You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words...

She further clarifies her message here in a follow up interview...

Q. How did you prepare the speech?

A. – I started to think about the content of the speech around midsummer. That the message should be ”How dare you?”. To blame and shame the rulers. Then I did what I always do, I postponed thinking about it. So I started writing it a few days before the speech.

Thanks greta think we got that alright ...

JJayoo · 17-10-2019 1:24pm

I would far rather listen to the scientists than Greta, why can't she continue to do her thing but be accompanied by a legit scientist who would do the official speaking at these events.

We are told in 10years time we will have reached the beginning of the end of civilisation....but all these hundreds of scientists who have compiled the info don't really seem that bothered like why aren't they screaming from the roof tops. Naaa just stick it in a research paper and move on to the next thing.

If you could eliminate the 'end of the world' scaremongering sh1te then I think far less people would have an issue with Greta.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 1:50pm

There is an old Hollywood adage of which I'm sure you are all aware:

No One Knows Anything

They/Hollywood have been trying to create an algorithm that will predict a successful film for decades.

It can't be done.

Neither can climate be predicted based on the current abilities of humankind.

Gravity captivates us all to a slim sliver of atmosphere on a ball of rock fueled by a molten core, which spins around a massive, temperamental ball of burning fire, which itself spins aro--

I could keep going on ad infinitum...

To paraphrase Humphrey Bogart;

"Rockbeast lighting up a smoke after a tasty steak doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to the climate."

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 2:08pm

JJayoo wrote: »

I would far rather listen to the scientists than Greta, why can't she continue to do her thing but be accompanied by a legit scientist who would do the official speaking at these events.

Because it is a massive undertaking. What answer could any scientist give which would satisfy all the naysayers in 30 seconds.
The events where she speaks are not workshops or academic conferences, both places where the scientists are active.

She has raised awareness. Very successfully. She is a figurehead of the movement and it is not at all uncommon for such people to speak in that way.
Ellen McArthur does it in a similar fashion in relation to the circular economy.

17-10-2019 2:12pm

would it be fair or unfair to note that the september 11 attacks raised awareness for the al Qaeda cause?

is "raising awareness" a meaningless term as a measure of value, rightness or utility?

yes, id say.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 2:15pm

@ Tell Me How

The climate changes.

It has never not changed.

It's the environment that we need to focus on, not nebulous concepts such as "Climate Change".

Complaining about "Climate Change" is no different than complaining that "Tomorrow Is Monday" on a Sunday night.

begsbyOnaTrain · 17-10-2019 2:21pm

Tell me how wrote: »

She has raised awareness. Very successfully.

I agree. I had no idea how much more efficient and carbon friendly a regular transatlantic flight was compared with someone hitching a lift on a multimillion dollar sailing boat. I would have thought them close but she raised my awareness of the number of people needed in the team for that and the logistics which are huge. Thanks Greta!

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 2:24pm

War On Drugs

War on Terror

War on Climate Change?

Cui bono?

JJayoo · 17-10-2019 2:26pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Because it is a massive undertaking. What answer could any scientist give which would satisfy all the naysayers in 30 seconds.
The events where she speaks are not workshops or academic conferences, both places where the scientists are active

Your need to reply to every comment is really bizarre.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 2:30pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

@ Tell Me How

The climate changes.

It has never not changed.

It's the environment that we need to focus on, not nebulous concepts such as "Climate Change".

Complaining about "Climate Change" is no different than complaining that "Tomorrow Is Monday" on a Sunday night.

3 words for you.

Rate. Of. Change.

It is demonstrably proven human behaviours are affecting the planet at a rate beyond any natural event other than something exceptional.

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 2:32pm

JJayoo wrote: »

Your need to reply to every comment is really bizarre.

Why?
You want me to leave the conversation to just one side?

What's bizarre is ignoring reality and science without any basis.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 2:36pm

Rate. Of. Change. compared to?

Younger Dryas Period?

Things change.

*Not at you*

It is actually such a sign of humankinds' egotism, and current self-centrism that there are people that believe their behaviour actually changes the fate of the planet.

moonage · 17-10-2019 2:54pm

Tell me how wrote: »

3 words for you.

Rate. Of. Change.

It is demonstrably proven human behaviours are affecting the planet at a rate beyond any natural event other than something exceptional.

The temperature has gone up 1 degree since the industrial revolution. Really scary!

If it was the extra CO2 from burning fossil fuels that caused this then any further increases in CO2 emissions won't have much of an effect because it is not a linear relationship, but rather a logarithmic one.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 17-10-2019 2:54pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Rate. Of. Change. compared to?

Younger Dryas Period?

Things change.

*Not at you*

It is actually such a sign of humankinds' egotism, and current self-centrism that there are people that believe their behaviour actually changes the fate of the planet.

There’s no way that adding a greenhouse gas to the atmosphere can’t but increase the temperature.

No debate can be had with people who don’t understand this.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 17-10-2019 2:56pm

moonage wrote: »

The temperature has gone up 1 degree since the industrial revolution. Really scary!

If it was the extra CO2 from burning fossil fuels that caused this then any further increases in CO2 emissions won't have much of an effect because it is not a linear relationship, but rather a logarithmic one.

Well that can be debated, mostly the science is agreed that other factors (forcing) will in fact continue the increase in temp or accelerate it.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 2:56pm

"There’s no way that adding a greenhouse gas to the atmosphere can’t but increase the temperature. "

??

2 is a greater number than 1 is what you have just stated.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 17-10-2019 3:02pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"There’s no way that adding a greenhouse gas to the atmosphere can’t but increase the temperature. "

??

2 is a greater number than 1 is what you have just stated.

No. I said there’s no way that a greenhouse gas added to the atmosphere cannot but increase the temperature.

JJayoo · 17-10-2019 3:05pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Why?
You want me to leave the conversation to just one side?

This is the problem, you have decided that there are two sides, and anyone who isn't 100% on your side has to be 100% wrong, I mean a few posts ago you were complaining about a throw away comment I made about fencing posts, questioning me on forestry just for the sake of replying. You had zero knowledge about the topic yet had to question everything I said since supposedly I am 100% wrong because I'm not 100% on your side.

Even my last post in which I said I would rather hear from people with a scientific pedigree you had to reply critizing it for some reason even tho I thought you were all for science.

And it isn't just you it's how all these discussions go, people become tribal, my side Vs your side, for me to be right you have to be wrong.

Rockbeast2 · 17-10-2019 3:07pm

So, why not just type:

Adding greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere will increase the temperature.

?

I agree.

Bit of a non-sequitur from my original post that you quoted, and not sure why the need for a confrontational tone...

Pa ElGrande · 17-10-2019 3:22pm

Tell me how wrote: »

3 words for you.

Rate. Of. Change.

It is demonstrably proven human behaviours are affecting the planet at a rate beyond any natural event other than something exceptional.

Where is this seen in nature, where and how is it measured?

How is the link established between the observations measured and specific human activity?

Tell me how · 17-10-2019 3:34pm

JJayoo wrote: »

This is the problem, you have decided that there are two sides, and anyone who isn't 100% on your side has to be 100% wrong, I mean a few posts ago you were complaining about a throw away comment I made about fencing posts, questioning me on forestry just for the sake of replying. You had zero knowledge about the topic yet had to question everything I said since supposedly I am 100% wrong because I'm not 100% on your side.

Even my last post in which I said I would rather hear from people with a scientific pedigree you had to reply critizing it for some reason even tho I thought you were all for science.

And it isn't just you it's how all these discussions go, people become tribal, my side Vs your side, for me to be right you have to be wrong.

Zero knowledge? About a throwaway comment? I actually worked out using your logic that we'd need over 1M KMs of fencing posts to get to to the few hundred M you spoke about. And that was only using 200M as your proposed number of posts but I said I'd let you off with your plan.

I disagreed with your last post. Tough.

I don't care whether I am seen as right or wrong, I am here to repeat the message that we need to act, to support the idea that Greta is doing something worthwhile and to reiterate the idea that we must listen to the scientists.

You don't like that? What do you want to do? PM you my content before I post it and get your approval?

Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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