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Calhoun · 16-09-2019 5:35pm

Wibbling wonder wrote: »

Mono cultural - what are you basing that assumption on. I live in Oughterard and there are many different cultures here. Maybe not as multi-cultural as the big cities but for a small rural community in the west of Ireland we aren't doing too badly.

Its easier just to brand you all as racists than understand that the government is being underhanded in how they are dealing with it.

Its quite inspired by the government, they pretty much know how to play it off so they come up smelling of roses.

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 5:37pm

Maybe reopen spike island and use it as a detention centre for those who entered the country illegally. Im sure they could fit at least 1000 people down there.

handlemaster · 16-09-2019 5:37pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Its easier just to brand you all as racists than understand that the government is being underhanded in how they are dealing with it.

Its quite inspired by the government, they pretty much know how to play it off so they come up smelling of roses.

Government are the people

Bullocks · 16-09-2019 5:38pm

Wibbling wonder wrote: »

Granadino wrote: »

I'd say there's an element of fear there. A mono cultural village with its own strong identity for years getting landed with 250 people of a very different cultural background.

Mono cultural - what are you basing that assumption on. I live in Oughterard and there are many different cultures here. Maybe not as multi-cultural as the big cities but for a small rural community in the west of Ireland we aren't doing too badly.

Sure half the place must be English. Oughterard sure is no stranger to tourists from all over the world that have been holidaymakers there for decades. Definitely not mono culture back there

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 5:49pm

handlemaster wrote: »

In short irish people are racist. Its ok somewhere else and the irish will talk with glowing paddy wackary superlatives about looking out for our fellow man. But alas it means nothing without action. How many times have we seen this over the last decade. .. ok were not against these people ... BUT..

Irelsnd is only few countries in Europe never to have had a right wing Lot in Government.

But yes we are all secret Fascists.........

jackboy · 16-09-2019 5:55pm

handlemaster wrote: »

In short irish people are racist. Its ok somewhere else and the irish will talk with glowing paddy wackary superlatives about looking out for our fellow man. But alas it means nothing without action. How many times have we seen this over the last decade. .. ok were not against these people ... BUT..

Irish people are not racist in general. If you hate your country that is your right, however keep the rest of us out of this self hatred.

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 5:59pm

jackboy wrote: »

Irish people are not racist in general. If you hate your country that is your right, however keep the rest of us out of this self hatred.

Yeah the level of hatred and ridicule directed by some at their fellow Irish people for opposing direct provision centres in their towns is quite shocking.

People are waking up now and its about time.

Achebe · 16-09-2019 6:03pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Where do you live? If you dont mind me asking?

I'd prefer not to name it, but there's a direct provision centre in my hometown and another just a few miles away.

Danzy · 16-09-2019 6:04pm

Achebe wrote: »

I'd prefer not to name it, but there's a direct provision centre in my hometown and another just a few miles away.

Do you own it?

Achebe · 16-09-2019 6:05pm

Danzy wrote: »

Do you own it?

No. I'm a man of no property myself.

Danzy · 16-09-2019 6:07pm

Achebe wrote: »

No. I'm a man of no property myself.

Lonely furrow to plow in the modern Left. I've been there.

enricoh · 16-09-2019 6:08pm

alastair wrote: »

Last I noticed Albania was in neither Africa nor the Middle East - which was what the poster referred to. So spare the red herring. Plenty of asylum seekers have their claim rejected, but they’re also not getting free gaffs given to them and all the other guff your ‘not racist’ pal was spouting. They get stuck in DP for the duration and a princely €21 a week for necessities. Any credible ‘spongers’ would make their way to one of the states with more generous welfare provision and better opportunities to work while seeking asylum.

The red herring! Jesus wept, talk about living in a bubble, they are the highest number applying nowadays :
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/number-of-new-asylum-seekers-up-26-911311.html&ved=2ahUKEwiLwMG66dXkAhUlShUIHfDpBHIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_WIZ_FUGgdJZAo7EkyV2u&ampcf=1
Rejected, appeal, appeal, leave to remain, free gaff n welfare. They have taken over the cocaine trade in the uk n eyeing up ireland.
Its e39 by the way n short term penance before they hit the jackpot.

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 6:08pm

Achebe wrote: »

I'd prefer not to name it, but there's a direct provision centre in my hometown and another just a few miles away.

Well that's fair enough. Cant argue with that.

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 6:11pm

enricoh wrote: »

The red herring! Jesus wept, talk about living in a bubble, they are the highest number applying nowadays :
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/number-of-new-asylum-seekers-up-26-911311.html&ved=2ahUKEwiLwMG66dXkAhUlShUIHfDpBHIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_WIZ_FUGgdJZAo7EkyV2u&ampcf=1
Rejected, appeal, appeal, leave to remain, free gaff n welfare. They have taken over the cocaine trade in the uk n eyeing up ireland.
Its e39 by the way n short term penance before they hit the jackpot.

39e is a fair amount to live on when your accomdation food and all utilities is paid for you. I know fellas dont have that left out of their wages when all their bills are paid.

Eric Cartman · 16-09-2019 6:20pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

39e is a fair amount to live on when your accomdation food and all utilities is paid for you. I know fellas dont have that left out of their wages when all their bills are paid.

Especially when you don’t have to go anywhere by transport and are in rural ireland where the cost of living is lower and likely don’t drink either, ypu’d have enough to feed yourself well enough every day, a few people pool resources to share a giant bag of rice and some spices etc... and you could have 3 good meals a day for under 25 a week

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 6:24pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Especially when you don’t have to go anywhere by transport and are in rural ireland where the cost of living is lower and likely don’t drink either, ypu’d have enough to feed yourself well enough every day, a few people pool resources to share a giant bag of rice and some spices etc... and you could have 3 good meals a day for under 25 a week

They get fed in these centres. They literally have nothing to spend that money on.

Lord Glentoran · 16-09-2019 6:28pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

Yeah the level of hatred and ridicule directed by some at their fellow Irish people for opposing direct provision centres in their towns is quite shocking.

People are waking up now and its about time.

After a weekend on a bag of yokes. They May be still a bit bamboozled.

ThunbergsAreGo · 16-09-2019 6:30pm

They are right to protest , it's a stupidly large increase in population with no consultation.

I am sure it would be similar if it was a housing estate. Especially one where the majority would be unemployed and uproot as soon as they could.

alastair · 16-09-2019 6:33pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

Maybe reopen spike island and use it as a detention centre for those who entered the country illegally. Im sure they could fit at least 1000 people down there.

Nobody entered the country illegally. They’re all asylum seekers.

alastair · 16-09-2019 6:35pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

They get fed in these centres. They literally have nothing to spend that money on.

It’s a well-known fact that the only outgoings in life are food and shelter. Clothes, hygiene, transport etc are all free for everyone. &#55357;&#56900;

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 6:38pm

alastair wrote: »

It’s a well-known fact that the only outgoings in life are food and shelter. Clothes, hygiene, transport etc are all free for everyone. ��

Thats tough. Theyve a roof over their head and food in their belly. They should be thankful for that.

alastair · 16-09-2019 6:40pm

enricoh wrote: »

The red herring! Jesus wept, talk about living in a bubble, they are the highest number applying nowadays

Great. And still none of them are African or Middle Eastern - which are the specific regions the ‘not racist’ poster alluded to.

alastair · 16-09-2019 6:41pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

Thats tough. Theyve a roof over their head and food in their belly. They should be thankful for that.

That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.

Eric Cartman · 16-09-2019 6:43pm

alastair wrote: »

That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.

luckily the vast vast majority are 18-30 year old men so

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 6:46pm

alastair wrote: »

That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.

They'd be getting all essentials that they need from charities. Id say those hotels are well set up for them.

Faugheen · 16-09-2019 6:49pm

My take.

The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

handlemaster · 16-09-2019 6:49pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Irelsnd is only few countries in Europe never to have had a right wing Lot in Government.

But yes we are all secret Fascists.........

Fasciste ?? Getting emotional there

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 6:50pm

handlemaster wrote: »

Fasciste ?? Getting emotional there

If you're going to do it, get it right yourself :cool:

handlemaster · 16-09-2019 6:50pm

jackboy wrote: »

Irish people are not racist in general. If you hate your country that is your right, however keep the rest of us out of this self hatred.

Big jump there little Jackieboy .And the post what have you say about that ?

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 6:54pm

Faugheen wrote: »

My take.

The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely not proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

In fairness its not just the usual suspects saying hes right as you put it, quite a few people agree with him. He was cheered by the people at that meeting. 700 people attended. Im sure there are quite a few other country towns whos people would also agree with him

Galwayguy35 · 16-09-2019 6:56pm

Achebe wrote: »

I'd prefer not to name it, but there's a direct provision centre in my hometown and another just a few miles away.

Well if you said you canvassed with Loughnane you must be in Galway.

Faugheen · 16-09-2019 6:59pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

In fairness its not just the usual suspects saying hes right as you put it, quite a few people agree with him. He was cheered by the people at that meeting. 700 people attended. Im sure there are quite a few other country towns whos people would also agree with him

Because it was rabble-rousing, scare-mongering bollocks.

People will shout loudest no matter what as long as their stance on wanting them or not wins. It was the same in my home town, initially concerns were raised about the availability of facilities and access, but it was completely forgotten about and descended into a farce because one person made a claim of which they had no proof of, but it suited the low-key racists in the area that just didn’t want them.

Homelander · 16-09-2019 7:10pm

Faugheen wrote: »

However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

Unless I'm missing something, the figures that show that 90-95% of them from certain countries are rejected as asylum seekers, would certainly suggest that they were only here for a better life and nothing to do with escaping impending death/torture/persecution or whatever. Now, putting that aside, because one could obviously claim that they're more than willing to work and not looking to 'sponge', if they were granted residency here. Isn't there an absolutely massive portion of African people legitimately living in the state that are unemployed? I'm genuinely just asking, because I don't inherently think what he said automatically has zero gravitas and can be just dismissed as baseless ramblings from a clueless racist.

handlemaster · 16-09-2019 7:12pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If you're going to do it, get it right yourself :cool:

I will put that into the translator box

Galwayguy35 · 16-09-2019 7:13pm

They give out about the length of time they are in DP but yet nobody mentions the fact that this is because they appeal decisions multiple times up to the highest court in the land and we foot the bill for it.

It's a joke of a system and every government is afraid to do anything to change it.

The way it should be is once a decision is made they can stay or else send them back, no appeal unless they foot the bill themsleves.

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 7:19pm

handlemaster wrote: »

I will put that into the translator box

You ****ed up not me:pac:

malinheader · 16-09-2019 7:19pm

Faugheen wrote: »

My take.

The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

Noel Grealish spoke the truth. Some people don't like this and pull the racist, xenophobic usual suspects bull--it.
Need more like Noel instead of all the ones feared of losing their cushy jobs if they speak. Not to mention the people who are making a nice living out of these DP centres.

Eric Cartman · 16-09-2019 7:33pm

malinheader wrote: »

Noel Grealish spoke the truth. Some people don't like this and pull the racist, xenophobic usual suspects bull--it.
Need more like Noel instead of all the ones feared of losing their cushy jobs if they speak. Not to mention the people who are making a nice living out of these DP centres.

+ the people who just have an agenda, the same people who rally against direct provision all the time get the bus from their cities to these rural villages to protest in favour of the DP centres being foist upon the residents of those villages. Its complete clown world stuff.

The only consistent point I can see these people holding is that they want open unchecked immigration and anyone of any non white origin to have full consent to live off our welfare state and roam free around Ireland. Opposing that for any reason at all is full blown nazi level racism in their book.

jackboy · 16-09-2019 7:45pm

handlemaster wrote: »

Big jump there little Jackieboy .And the post what have you say about that ?

Not a jump at all. Those who claim Ireland is ‘racist’ and call strangers racist generally have very low self esteem, hate their lives and try to bring everyone else down to their negative depressing level.

Like all countries, Ireland has plenty issues to improve on. However, Ireland in general is a friendly, welcoming country. One of the best countries in the world to live in. For these reasons, direct provision is unirish and not something to be proud of. We can do better.

Eric Cartman · 16-09-2019 7:50pm

jackboy wrote: »

Not a jump at all. Those who claim Ireland is ‘racist’ and call strangers racist generally have very low self esteem, hate their lives and try to bring everyone else down to their negative depressing level.

Like all countries, Ireland has plenty issues to improve on. However, Ireland in general is a friendly, welcoming country. One of the best countries in the world to live in. For these reasons, direct provision is unirish and not something to be proud of. We can do better.

its very true, you never see employed, happy, coupled/married people involved in that kind of protest, its always societies rejects, those who have achieved nothing else or those with undiagnosed / over medicated mental illnesses on the picket line and shouting the loudest on the topic. Its almost like they either know its bad and want everyone to have as awful a life as they do, or they genuinely believe this will somehow reward them with happiness.

alastair · 16-09-2019 8:18pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

luckily the vast vast majority are 18-30 year old men so

They’re not. 51% of asylum seekers are men.

alastair · 16-09-2019 8:19pm

WB Yokes wrote: »

They'd be getting all essentials that they need from charities. Id say those hotels are well set up for them.

Yeaaaah - I’d say you you know feck all.

16-09-2019 8:21pm

alastair wrote: »

They’re not. 51% of asylum seekers are men.

Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.

Eric Cartman · 16-09-2019 8:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.

and then we have to factor in the 'kids' who are actually in their 20s that keep showing up.

https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics yeah, 51% men, 22% children of which theres no gender breakdown, so even on balance its atleast 61% males showing up....

WB Yokes · 16-09-2019 8:26pm

Some fella is now being asked to prove in front of a tribunal that he is a gay man..

https://mobile.twitter.com/masi_asylum/status/1173570549940928512

That twitter page is informative.

Boggles · 16-09-2019 8:34pm

Faugheen wrote: »

My take.

The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP?

They are lucky to have a GP. There is what 2,500 in Ireland? So around 1 per 2000 people.

There is a train of thought that the extra work (money) a GP may get in a rural area would encourage them to stay and not leave as is what is happening all around the country.

Right now for understandable reasons, people are only seeing the perceived negatives which may actually be glaring positives.

As for rural schools, a fair few of them are struggling for numbers and are losing teachers.

More panic than sense at the moment.

Threads like this don't help of course.

alastair · 16-09-2019 8:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.

Men. The remainder are women and children.

Achebe · 16-09-2019 8:39pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well if you said you canvassed with Loughnane you must be in Galway.

Not necessarily Sherlock.

ToBeFrank123 · 16-09-2019 8:40pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They give out about the length of time they are in DP but yet nobody mentions the fact that this is because they appeal decisions multiple times up to the highest court in the land and we foot the bill for it.

It's a joke of a system and every government is afraid to do anything to change it.

The way it should be is once a decision is made they can stay or else send them back, no appeal unless they foot the bill themsleves.

Interesting.
Sounds like the legal establishment are making tidy sums out of all these appeals. The same legal profession who are cleaning up with exaggerated insurance claims.
FG will never change the system if so. Look how slow they are to take on the legal profession with insurance claims.

alastair · 16-09-2019 8:41pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and then we have to factor in the 'kids' who are actually in their 20s that keep showing up.

https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics yeah, 51% men, 22% children of which theres no gender breakdown, so even on balance its atleast 61% males showing up....

And? Anything to suggest “the vast majority are men 18-30”?
That would be a ‘no’.

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