Famous Dublin pubs that are no more

Hootanany · 08-09-2019 6:46pm

The Master wrote: »

That was "Grace's" your thinking of

"Donovan's" was also known as "Ward's"

Donovan's was Barnstormers and the first pub Louis Fitzgerald bought on Mark St.
Source I did the the design and build on it.

olestoepoke · 08-09-2019 6:49pm

The Black sheep (Blacker) next to Northside Shopping Centre

salmocab · 08-09-2019 6:51pm

Hootanany wrote: »

Donovan's was Barnstormers and the first pub Louis Fitzgerald bought on Mark St.
Source I did the the design and build on it.

One of Louis’s early pubs the traders in Greenhills was knocked down this year, new one being built under the new apartments along with a row of shops. Good bit smaller and it’s no longer a Fitzgerald pub (think he moved it on s few years back).
Not famous but was a good spot years back when it had sloppy joes upstairs.

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 6:51pm

Esel wrote: »

I think it was produced in The Peacock at least five years earlier?

In 1967 actually. Closed down after three days! But pub was great.

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 6:52pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

The Black sheep (Blacker) next to Northside Shopping Centre

No harm there! That was a wild place in its time.

olestoepoke · 08-09-2019 6:53pm

is_that_so wrote: »

No harm there! That was a wild place in its time.

Yep, no windows was a sure giveaway.

salmocab · 08-09-2019 6:54pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Yep, no windows was a sure giveaway.

By design or by bricks?

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 6:55pm

salmocab wrote: »

By design or by bricks?

I would say by design!

olestoepoke · 08-09-2019 6:56pm

salmocab wrote: »

By design or by bricks?

By design if I remember correctly. I grew up not far from it. Drank in it for a few years around the late 80s early 90s. Never a dull moment in that place

olestoepoke · 08-09-2019 6:58pm

is_that_so wrote: »

No harm there! That was a wild place in its time.

Changed the name many times over the year but was always known as the "Blacker". I heard it lost its licence indefinitely or was unable to get insurance due to excessive liability claims against it.

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 7:01pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Changed the name many times over the year but was always known as the "Blacker". I heard it lost its licence indefinitely or was unable to get insurance due to excessive liability claims against it.

Plenty of stories down the years of punters getting even with each other or security. Was only ever in it once, at lunchtime and it was a dump but the only pub around for quite a bit.

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 7:05pm

I wonder would you include the old Goblet near Artane? A real drinking men's bar(almost no women in the bar!) until they turned it into a suburban brasserie!

olestoepoke · 08-09-2019 7:07pm

is_that_so wrote: »

I wonder would you include the old Goblet near Artane? A real drinking men's bar(almost no women in the bar!) until they turned it into a suburban brasserie!

It's still there and still called the Goblet. I heard that a lot of the crowd from the Blacker frequent it now.

L1011 · 08-09-2019 7:17pm

Hootanany wrote: »

Donovan's was Barnstormers and the first pub Louis Fitzgerald bought on Mark St.
Source I did the the design and build on it.

Barnstormers moved, which causes much confusion. Pubs don't generally move!

Was on Capel Street at another time; that premises is still there - the Black Sheep, not connected with the one just mentioned on thread.

is_that_so · 08-09-2019 7:18pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

It's still there and still called the Goblet. I heard that a lot of the crowd from the Blacker frequent it now.

I know that but had much more character before it got a facelift!:D

tjc28 · 08-09-2019 8:26pm

L1011 wrote: »

Sunday Times today says that The Dockers is reopening. Only closed for 15 years, sure you could just sweep the floor and change the kegs surely :pac:

This is after The Sackville reopening after 2.5 years closed two weeks ago; and the former Aungier House reopening last year after ~20 years.

are you saying the sackville reopened and then closed again?

L1011 · 08-09-2019 9:13pm

tjc28 wrote: »

are you saying the sackville reopened and then closed again?

No, it was closed for two and a half years - just as an example of a long-ish term closure. It is still definitely open.

tjc28 · 08-09-2019 9:17pm

L1011 wrote: »

tjc28 wrote: »

are you saying the sackville reopened and then closed again?

No, it was closed for two and a half years - just as an example of a long-ish term closure. It is still definitely open.

fantastic news. drank there for many years and was gutted when it closed.

retalivity · 09-09-2019 5:47pm

The bernard shaw is closing at the end of october, along with the eatyard

L1011 · 10-09-2019 10:13am

Loads of late 80s newspaper references to a pub called The Coliseum/Colosseum (and every potential misspelling of it, even in the same article) on St James Road Walkinstown; but the only pub there ever was on St James Road was The Traders which was already called that in the late 80s; and is more Greenhills than Walkinstown anyway.

There's one crappy pic in a Sunday World piece and its looks like a totally different building. The World would probably have called that end of the road Greenhills.

Where was this? Just a local nickname for another pub or something?

GBX · 10-09-2019 10:23am

That's where it was. The Traders changed names to the Colosseum during the 90s (I worked there from 94) but changed back after a short time. *** Louis Fitzgerald changed the name and layout of the pub when he bought it *** -

The inside had some "authentic Italian" bits and pieces dotted around it, a bit like the tat that gets put in Irish pubs around the world. in particular a large lion sitting in the middle of the pub.
The name Colosseum never caught on with locals. It was always referred to as the Traders. Its being redeveloped with apartments, shops etc. But when the pub reopens, its likely it will be referred back to as the Traders no matter what name is over door.

L1011 · 10-09-2019 10:57am

Thanks - that's that knocked off my quite long list of pubs that I can't find. Was getting annoying as the name was turning up repeatedly in the Herald/Press/World in ads, articles, reviews and the like but wasn't ever on street directories - they kept The Traders all the way!

GBX · 10-09-2019 11:09am

No probs! Yeah it was a very short lived change alright. When had you last visited the Traders before it closed? You didnt miss much in not getting to the Colosseum.

L1011 · 10-09-2019 11:16am

I've been to >500 different pubs in the city/county now but didn't get out to the Traders before it closed. South-west city inside the M50 is probably the area I've done the least in so far other than the North County villages.

GBX · 10-09-2019 2:18pm

L1011 - Do you have a link to the pic from the Sunday World ?

L1011 · 10-09-2019 2:33pm

Its on a paid-for archive and really crap quality (scan) but I'll see if I can grab a copy later.

I'm assuming the fancy roof structures etc were just stuck on what was a much blockier building in that pic.

10-09-2019 2:40pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

It's still there and still called the Goblet. I heard that a lot of the crowd from the Blacker frequent it now.

Rubbish, that place is probably the best pub within maybe 5 kms in any direction (Kavanagh's on the Malahide Road and the Beachcomber are the only ones to give it any stern competition. They take no crap and there's never an ounce of trouble in it. It is also an absolute goldmine as a result, I'd love to know what sort of profit they turn.

daveorourke77 · 10-09-2019 3:36pm

The Quill besides the four courts was a great pub.

Playing chess against some random aul lad.

The sackville was brilliant with super pints

daveorourke77 · 10-09-2019 3:40pm

L1011 wrote: »

No, it was closed for two and a half years - just as an example of a long-ish term closure. It is still definitely open.

Is the sackville opened?

Really?

Dont be a mickey teasr.

salmocab · 10-09-2019 3:56pm

L1011 wrote: »

Its on a paid-for archive and really crap quality (scan) but I'll see if I can grab a copy later.

I'm assuming the fancy roof structures etc were just stuck on what was a much blockier building in that pic.

Yeah it was just done up to look a bit fancy, it was named the coliseum for a while but as the locals persisted with calling it the traders and more usually the trads it eventually went back to that name. Was a great spot back in the day. It was demolished this year and is currently ring built on with a new pub planned along with shops and apartments.

L1011 · 10-09-2019 3:57pm

daveorourke77 wrote: »

Is the sackville opened?

Really?

Dont be a mickey teasr.

I was there two weeks ago, ~5pm on Saturday.

They have a few craft taps and the GAA jerseys are gone but its definitely open and mostly unchanged.

jiltloop · 10-09-2019 3:58pm

retalivity wrote: »

The bernard shaw is closing at the end of october, along with the eatyard

This one is a real shame. it's a pub I don't frequent as much due to change of living area but I would still have made a point of going there every so often. Will miss it now when it's gone.

BonnieSituation · 11-09-2019 1:05pm

L1011 wrote: »

I was there two weeks ago, ~5pm on Saturday.

They have a few craft taps and the GAA jerseys are gone but its definitely open and mostly unchanged.

Wandered in finally last night for a couple. It was good to be back.

Wooden floor in rather than carpet, jerseys gone and lightbulb finally installed on landing to toilets.

Other than that, same little gem.

Slattsy · 12-09-2019 5:15pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wandered in finally last night for a couple. It was good to be back.

Wooden floor in rather than carpet, jerseys gone and lightbulb finally installed on landing to toilets.

Other than that, same little gem.

Gis a shout next time you're around.

daveorourke77 · 12-09-2019 9:20pm

L1011 wrote: »

I was there two weeks ago, ~5pm on Saturday.

They have a few craft taps and the GAA jerseys are gone but its definitely open and mostly unchanged.

You're right. I made a point of stopping in for a pint on the way to the match on Tuesday.

BonnieSituation · 14-09-2019 1:37pm

daveorourke77 wrote: »

You're right. I made a point of stopping in for a pint on the way to the match on Tuesday.

Gas. I wandered in after the match on Tuesday.

gaiscioch · 19-10-2019 5:40pm

I was reading last week about the Army Mutiny in 1924. An end was put to it in a place called Devlin's Hotel on Parnell Street, when the Irish Army surrounded the hotel. Anybody remember it?

Somebody has written a very informative article entirely about that hotel, but he/she doesn't say when Devlin's closed down. As you can see from the photo below (taken from that article), it was right next to Patrick Conway's pub (and what on earth is happening Conways, which is still closed down?)

Devlin’s of Parnell Street (8 August 2017)

brick tamland · 19-10-2019 8:30pm

gaiscioch wrote: »

I was reading last week about the Army Mutiny in 1924. An end was put to it in a place called Devlin's Hotel on Parnell Street, when the Irish Army surrounded the hotel. Anybody remember it?

Somebody has written a very informative article entirely about that hotel, but he/she doesn't say when Devlin's closed down. As you can see from the photo below (taken from that article), it was right next to Patrick Conway's pub (and what on earth is happening Conways, which is still closed down?)

Devlin’s of Parnell Street (8 August 2017)

Must be closed 10 years now. Was in The Snapper, Colm meaney having a pint while waiting on daughter in rotunda.

Muahahaha · 24-10-2019 11:50pm

What was the Thomas Read and the adjoining Oak on Dame Street is now all called the Oak. Am I imagining things or was the Thomas Read later called the Ivy for a few years? If so I wonder was the name change anything to do with the Ivy restaurant opening up on Dawson St?

Strumms · 24-10-2019 11:58pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

What was the Thomas Read and the adjoining Oak on Dame Street is now all called the Oak. Am I imagining things or was the Thomas Read later called the Ivy for a few years? If so I wonder was the name change anything to do with the Ivy restaurant opening up on Dawson St?

It was, not for too long..a pub of two halves for me, . always loved The Oak, a nice old fashioned quiet and comfortable pub, perfect for a couple of quick pre gig pints or a stop off Saturday or Sunday tea time after doing some shopping....Thomas Reads though was a bit dull I found, and not that comfy..

L1011 · 25-10-2019 8:38am

Muahahaha wrote: »

What was the Thomas Read and the adjoining Oak on Dame Street is now all called the Oak. Am I imagining things or was the Thomas Read later called the Ivy for a few years? If so I wonder was the name change anything to do with the Ivy restaurant opening up on Dawson St?

Yes, from what I've heard / read. The restaurant chain either threatened or initiated legal action

Hotblack Desiato · 25-10-2019 10:30am

Even though the pub was there first!

Plenty of pubs have similar names, they don't sue each other.

As if anyone would confuse a boozer with that poncy overpriced tip-stealing kip.

Ridiculous.

L1011 · 25-10-2019 11:06am

The restaurant actually has a pub licence as it happens*. I presume they'd registered the trade name in advance. There's still the Ivy House and the Iveagh Bar in the Ashling Hotel though!

*suspect there's a concern among the cocktail heavy restaurants that they're stretching the rules on a Special Restaurant Licence about serving before/after the food cause loads of places that are sit down restaurants with no walk in or bar service have pub licences now.

tabbey · 25-10-2019 4:37pm

Number 8 Lower Mount Street was demolished last week.

In recent years, it was known as "Howl at the Moon", but for decades was O'Dwyers.

Strumms · 25-10-2019 7:24pm

gaiscioch wrote: »

it was right next to Patrick Conway's pub (and what on earth is happening Conways

Just reading and Conway’s is closed either in ‘07 or ‘08 and just been sitting there shutters down ever since... I used to love heading in there for a couple of pints before a gig in the Ambassador or after doing some shopping in the Iilac, a real proper old school Dublin pub, gorgeous pint of Guinness.. i would have thought a few quid put into it and it could do quite well.. close proximity to the Ambassador, hospital, Moore St, bus stops and very central..

They had a reasonable music venue too upstairs I just remembered, the BoomBoom Room that was quite intimate and unique.

L1011 · 25-10-2019 9:41pm

The stench of damp/rot coming from Conways now makes me very concerned about what little structural integrity it had left (those support beams are *old*)

L1011 · 26-10-2019 6:24pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Even though the pub was there first!

Plenty of pubs have similar names, they don't sue each other.

As if anyone would confuse a boozer with that poncy overpriced tip-stealing kip.

Ridiculous.

Found this when I needed to look for it for something else (blog post)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/name-claim-creeps-up-on-the-ivy-f6nht7qbx

paywalled but details the trademark reasons for the name change.

andekwarhola · 28-10-2019 11:02pm

Strumms wrote: »

Just reading and Conway’s is closed either in ‘07 or ‘08 and just been sitting there shutters down ever since... I used to love heading in there for a couple of pints before a gig in the Ambassador or after doing some shopping in the Iilac, a real proper old school Dublin pub, gorgeous pint of Guinness.. i would have thought a few quid put into it and it could do quite well.. close proximity to the Ambassador, hospital, Moore St, bus stops and very central..

They had a reasonable music venue too upstairs I just remembered, the BoomBoom Room that was quite intimate and unique.

Always loved Conways as well. I'm also surprised nobody else ever took up the pub. Maybe there's more to it, as alluded to already in the thread.

The Master · 29-10-2019 10:02am

L1011 wrote: »

The stench of damp/rot coming from Conways now makes me very concerned about what little structural integrity it had left (those support beams are *old*)

Walked past it yesterday.
Jaysus you're right about the stench
Sand bags up against the front door and the wooden frame around it rotting away
Awful to see

MOH · 08-11-2019 12:32pm

Looks like the Bernard Shaw finally closed Saturday or Sunday.

One of the fascinating things about that whole block over the last few month has been the gradual reveal of previous business names as layers of fascia are gradually removed.

They were taking the sign off the Shaw this morning, so it's currently Sonny Kines. Around the corner beside the Manhattan, what was the Bird Cage bakery last year now has the faded name Morning Wood (?!), and just down from it there's a shop which used to sell something weirdly specific which I've helpfully forgotten.

Famous Dublin pubs that are no more

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