Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Kidchameleon · 07-09-2019 6:06pm

PostWoke wrote: »

I am in a building for about 30 minutes daily that has Sky News on a telly mounted on the wall.

The death of that african dictator proved to be a welcome break for the day.

Id rather stick rusty nails in my eyes than watch Sky "News"

07-09-2019 6:08pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boris has had his best bargaining chip taken away from him. He wanted a deal. People in this forum don't understand negotiation at all

"I will blow my own brains out unless you give me what I want" is not smart negotiating.

PostWoke · 07-09-2019 6:09pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Id rather stick rusty nails in my eyes than watch Sky "News"

This ****e, royal baby ****e, on the odd occasion something actually relevant. The news equivalent of a gossip mag. So dumbed down and repetitive too.

Allinall · 07-09-2019 6:10pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well Teresa May was terrible, giving the EU everything they wanted. "Hey can we have 39 billion?" Yeah OK!!

Boris has had his best bargaining chip taken away from him. He wanted a deal. People in this forum don't understand negotiation at all

u do understand that they can negotiate a new deal yeah? You do understand that other non EU countries have negotiated deals yeah?

That was your statement.

Point 1. England are not a non EU country.

Point 2. England have shown zero ability to negotiate.

McMurphy · 07-09-2019 6:10pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You do understand that they can negotiate a new deal yeah? You do understand that other non EU countries have negotiated deals yeah?

Lol, it's not like sauntering in to PC World and negotiating a price match with Harvey Norman across the retail park you know.

biko · 07-09-2019 6:10pm

Get Real wrote: »

No they didn't. 2millon Scots voted to remain in UK. 16 million UK voters wanted to remain in EU. How did more Scots vote to remain in UK?

Well, you cannot count in absolute numbers as Scots are in the UK and counted thus.
It has to be percentage.

55% of Scots wants to be part of UK
48% of UK wants wants to be part of EU.

The Scottish "leavers" took the vote seriously and accepted the result as democracy in action.
The UK "remainers" are protesting since the result and have not accepted democracy in action.

07-09-2019 6:16pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

It is being blown out of proportion. Do you know anything about her case? How much of the documentation have you read? Just the tiny portion of it that is flashed on the screen for less than a second? She did not show enough evidence therefore the application was rejected. She has until the end of 2020 to fill the form out properly, it is FAKE NEWS. You accuse me of not doing my homework yet you have done none yourself.

She has been in the UK for over 50 years, she is not going to be kicked out, it is blatant scaremongering.

Without even reading that post, I am sure it is a balanced and fair view into your earlier comments, backed up with evidence from your own research.

davedanon · 07-09-2019 6:23pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well Teresa May was terrible, giving the EU everything they wanted. "Hey can we have 39 billion?" Yeah OK!!

Boris has had his best bargaining chip taken away from him. He wanted a deal. People in this forum don't understand negotiation at all

More idiocy.

The €39bn was money Britain already owed. Like the golf club analogy earlier. They're cancelling their sub, but haven't paid their fees. And sooner or later, they will pay it.

Boris didn't have any chips, because he ISN'T NEGOTIATING. THERE ARE NO NEGOTIATIONS.

The only person here who doesn't understand negotiation is you.

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:25pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Allinall wrote: »

They haven’t been very successful at negotiating so far.

What makes you think they can up their game?

Well Teresa May was terrible, giving the EU everything they wanted. "Hey can we have 39 billion?" Yeah OK!!

Boris has had his best bargaining chip taken away from him. He wanted a deal. People in this forum don't understand negotiation at all

Doris is finished the weakest pm in history, nige is the man

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:28pm

PostWoke wrote: »

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Id rather stick rusty nails in my eyes than watch Sky "News"

This ****e, royal baby ****e, on the odd occasion something actually relevant. The news equivalent of a gossip mag. So dumbed down and repetitive too.

Dumbed down, it's for a t british audiance

mikhail · 07-09-2019 6:29pm

biko wrote: »

The UK "remainers" are protesting since the result and have not accepted democracy in action.

More than 67% of UK voters voted to remain in 1975. It's almost like people can change their mind as a situation evolves.

biko · 07-09-2019 6:31pm

mikhail wrote: »

More than 67% of UK voters voted to remain in 1975. It's almost like people can change their mind as a situation evolves.

Indeed, and 67% has now decreased to 48%.
The problem is people not respecting democratic process.

BENDYBINN · 07-09-2019 6:32pm

The Irish government will soon be gettin 15% on everything coming from the UK..............that’s a lot of dosh ............Happy Days indeed.........

07-09-2019 6:32pm

biko wrote: »

Indeed, and 67% has now decreased to 48%.
The problem is people not respecting democratic process.

What version of Brexit did the leavers vote for?

biko · 07-09-2019 6:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What version of Brexit did the leavers vote for?

The one where they actually get to leave.

mikhail · 07-09-2019 6:33pm

biko wrote: »

Indeed, and 67% has now decreased to 48%.
The problem is people not respecting democratic process.

It increased back to 51% as early as a year and a half ago. The political response to that from leavers has been to stick their fingers in their ears and loudly shout "wibble" until people stop asking them hard questions.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/jan/26/guardian-icm-brexit-poll-full-results

PostWoke · 07-09-2019 6:33pm

biko wrote: »

The problem is people not respecting democratic process.

Or lying to the voter base about what you can provide if they vote your way, and taking advantage of people who are susceptible to scare mongering.

07-09-2019 6:35pm

biko wrote: »

The one where they actually get to leave.

What version is that?
What was on the ballot paper?

biko · 07-09-2019 6:35pm

mikhail wrote: »

It increased back to 51% as early as a year and a half ago.

That is not how voting works. You had your opportunity.

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:36pm

Allinall wrote: »

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You do understand that they can negotiate a new deal yeah? You do understand that other non EU countries have negotiated deals yeah?

They haven’t been very successful at negotiating so far.

What makes you think they can up their game?

Doris thinks the gun he uses is pointed to his foot but everyone can see it's pointed to his head
When they ask him not to shoot he thinks its more regulations from Brussels

biko · 07-09-2019 6:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What version is that?
What was on the ballot paper?

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 6:37pm

PostWoke wrote: »

Or lying to the voter base about what you can provide if they vote your way, and taking advantage of people who are susceptible to scare mongering.

That's your opinion.
Over 17,000,000 disagree

Mod: 2 weeks off. You were told not to post in this thread again.

mikhail · 07-09-2019 6:37pm

biko wrote: »

That is not how voting works. You had your opportunity.

That's not how a non-binding referendum works.

07-09-2019 6:38pm

biko wrote: »

And what version of leave does that entail?
Deal or no deal?

Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:40pm

biko wrote: »

mikhail wrote: »

More than 67% of UK voters voted to remain in 1975. It's almost like people can change their mind as a situation evolves.

Indeed, and 67% has now decreased to 48%.
The problem is people not respecting democratic process.

That's not the EU's fault.
it's only the t brits that are stopping britian from leaving, everyone else can't wait for them to go

mikhail · 07-09-2019 6:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And what version of leave does that entail?
Deal or no deal?

Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

People like biko like to believe that only the votes they approve of count.

biko · 07-09-2019 6:41pm

mikhail wrote: »

That's not how a non-binding referendum works.

Why do you keep arguing?
It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

Deleted User wrote: »

And what version of leave does that entail?
Deal or no deal?

There was no deal on the ballot.
That was your question.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 6:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And what version of leave does that entail?
Deal or no deal?

Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.

davedanon · 07-09-2019 6:41pm

biko wrote: »

Why do you keep arguing?
It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

Is that to blueshoe, or chameleon, or one of the other rwnj loons?

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:41pm

biko wrote: »

Why do you keep arguing?
It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

A month or so to go until what mate?

biko · 07-09-2019 6:41pm

davedanon wrote: »

Is that to blueshoe, or chameleon, or one of the other rwnj loons?

Sorry, clarified now I hope

PostWoke · 07-09-2019 6:42pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

That's your opinion.
Over 17,000,000 disagree

How is any of what I said opinion? They had literal lies/promises they couldn't follow through on printed on entire lengths of campaign buses, and that's the objective truth.

No voter gets to decide they weren't lied to.

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:43pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And what version of leave does that entail?
Deal or no deal?

Remember now that the majority of voters voted for pro deal parties in last election and the Sovereign Parliament is pro deal

They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.

You want it delayed for even longer
You're losing ur bottle mate

biko · 07-09-2019 6:43pm

declanflynn wrote: »

A month or so to go until what mate?

Until the bill is passed - Brexit

mikhail · 07-09-2019 6:44pm

biko wrote: »

Why do you keep arguing?
It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

Because a bunch of arseholes who lied through their teeth in order to win a glorified opinion poll by the narrowest of margins several years ago continue to insist that that is a sound basis for ****ing up the peace process and every economy in the area, suspending parliament in the process.

I will pay for Brexit, like everyone else in this country. And in spite of that, I will continue to laugh at the British as their union implodes, and they trade having a say in the EU's policies to being told what to do by the IMF again as they were just before they entered the EEC.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 6:44pm

PostWoke wrote: »

How is any of what I said opinion? They had literal lies/promises they couldn't follow through on printed on entire lengths of campaign buses, and that's the objective truth.

No voter gets to decide they weren't lied to.

I disagree with your opinion.

davedanon · 07-09-2019 6:44pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

They must have left that bit out because they didn't think leave would win. There should have been a second vote on leave with or without a deal.

Yes, that's sensible. "WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER TO LEAVE THE EU, OR NOT. WHILE LEAVING WILL BE ****TY, THERE ARE VARYING DEGREES OF ****TINESS, DEPENDING ON THE DEAL. WOULD YOU LIKE A ****TY DEAL, OR AN EVEN MORE ****TY DEAL?" VOTE NOW!!!

07-09-2019 6:44pm

biko wrote: »

Why do you keep arguing?
It's a month or so to go and you're arguing stuff that was played out years ago?

There was no deal on the ballot.
That was your question.

Did it say leave without a deal?
Did it say leave with a deal?

Leaving the EU has several options, which one does that referendum "leave" cover?

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 6:47pm

biko wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

A month or so to go until what mate?

Until the bill is passed - Brexit

You are a bit behind, the opposition are in charge of your country now mate, depaffel is a lame duck pm

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 6:52pm

davedanon wrote: »

Yes, that's sensible. "WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER TO LEAVE THE EU, OR NOT. WHILE LEAVING WILL BE ****TY, THERE ARE VARYING DEGREES OF ****TINESS, DEPENDING ON THE DEAL. WOULD YOU LIKE A ****TY DEAL, OR AN EVEN MORE ****TY DEAL?" VOTE NOW!!!

Huh?

Donald Trump · 07-09-2019 6:53pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well Teresa May was terrible, giving the EU everything they wanted. "Hey can we have 39 billion?" Yeah OK!!

Hey dude. Might be a better use of your time to read up on a few basics rather than repeating soundbytes from Farage.

The 39 billion was calculated and agreed to as the UK outstanding obligations.

You know that there are also obligations in the other direction too? For example, one of these is that the UK was allocated about 11bn over the current round of EU structural funds. Those projects can still draw down the remainder of the money until the end of the current cycle......................but not if there is no deal. But you probably don't realize that because Farage won't have tweeted it and Boris won't have printed it on a bus for you.

To put it into an easier-to-understand example for you - suppose you live in an apartment building with 9 other apartments and you set up your own management company to take care of the place. You all sign a contract that you will each pay 1000 Euro into the company every year and the management company will replace the windows and doors on one of the apartments each year in rotation.

Mary in apartment #1 gets hers done first. Happy days. New windows for Mary. Then at the start of year 2 she decides "I don't want to be part of this any more. Goodbye". Pat in apartment #2 says "I'm scheduled to have mine done in a few weeks. But I also don't want to contribute any more. So I'm gone. But I still want the rest of ye to pay for mine to be done".

Do you think that they rest of them would say "ah grand. don't worry about that contract we all signed. You don't need to put in your share any more and we'll have the lads over to Pat in a couple of weeks to do his. No worries".

"Hey can we have 11bn for our structural funds project. Yeah ok!"

davedanon · 07-09-2019 6:57pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Hey dude. Might be a better use of your time to read up on a few basics rather than repeating soundbytes from Farage.

The 39 billion was calculated and agreed to as the UK outstanding obligations.

You know that there are also obligations in the other direction too? For example, one of these is that the UK was allocated about 11bn over the current round of EU structural funds. Those projects can still draw down the remainder of the money until the end of the current cycle......................but not if there is no deal. But you probably don't realize that because Farage won't have tweeted it and Boris won't have printed it on a bus for you.

To put it into an easier-to-understand example for you - suppose you live in an apartment building with 9 other apartments and you set up your own management company to take care of the place. You all sign a contract that you will each pay 1000 Euro into the company every year and the management company will replace the windows and doors on one of the apartments each year in rotation.

Mary in apartment #1 gets hers done first. Happy days. New windows for Mary. Then at the start of year 2 she decides "I don't want to be part of this any more. Goodbye". Pat in apartment #2 says "I'm scheduled to have mine done in a few weeks. But I also don't want to contribute any more. So I'm gone. But I still want the rest of ye to pay for mine to be done".

Do you think that they rest of them would say "ah grand. don't worry about that contract we all signed. You don't need to put in your share any more and we'll have the lads over to Pat in a couple of weeks to do his. No worries".

"Hey can we have 11bn for our structural funds project. Yeah ok!"

Too many facts in there for our brexiter friends.

knipex · 07-09-2019 7:08pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Not true. Plenty of countries smaller and larger than the UK survive without being in the EU

Oh Absolutely.

But they didn't spend the last 46 years building their economy based on having access to the largest free trade organization in the world.
Or have their trade agreements, quality and environmental standards, international transport agreements (free skies) etc begin negotiated as part of a larger group. Agreements and standards that they will no longer be able to access and instead of spending the last 3 years resolving these issues spent them chasing unicorns.

Neither do they have their consumer rights, workers rights and trade laws based on agreements that they have just torn up and monitored \ enforced by an organization they dont want to deal with.

And heading into uncertainty they certainly didn't spend 3 years insulting, belittling, slandering, lieing about, threatening and at every opportunity undermining the very organization that could provide the support and assistance they would have needed.

knipex · 07-09-2019 7:12pm

declanflynn wrote: »

That's not the EU's fault.
it's only the t brits that are stopping britian from leaving, everyone else can't wait for them to go

Come on Declan... its driving me NUTS.... what does "t brits" mean ??

(if anyone else can enlighten me I would be delighted, feeling very confused and left out here)

Notmything · 07-09-2019 7:15pm

knipex wrote: »

Come on Declan... its driving me NUTS.... what does "t brits" mean ??

(if anyone else can enlighten me I would be delighted, feeling very confused and left out here)

They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson

Sonny noggs · 07-09-2019 7:18pm

Notmything wrote: »

They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson

Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

knipex · 07-09-2019 7:25pm

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

Oh that I can see. but I cannot figure out what insult he is trying to send with "t brits" I even tried googling it..

declanflynn · 07-09-2019 7:33pm

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Notmything wrote: »

They are trying to be all hard and edgy, just like when they use the wrong name for Boris Johnson

Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

Can I call him depaffel?

davedanon · 07-09-2019 7:35pm

The only wrong names I use for Boris are asterisked out by the thread nannies.

RobMc59 · 07-09-2019 7:43pm

knipex wrote: »

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Yes, Doris instead of Boris is particularly childish. ‘Misgendering’ also thrown into the mix.

Oh that I can see. but I cannot figure out what insult he is trying to send with "t brits" I even tried googling it..

So did I-the nearest thing to it is a South African athlete named tasmin brit!

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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