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How are ye dealing with the compulsory homosexuality in Ireland?

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    #272
    MarkY91
    Registered Users Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Don't see many complaints when it's two women kissing though, wonder why?? ;)

    Most of them are butch :(


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    #273
    [Deleted User]
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    gmisk wrote: »
    Maybe look at the people involved with this event? Their beliefs etc...it is nothing to do with a sense of pride in being straight... Look at the people speaking at it (e.g. Milo Yiannopoulos), the organisers, the flags and groups involved.

    Milo Yiannopolous is opnely gay and married to his African American boyfriend. Not a great example of intolerance there. You might not agree with his politics but he's every bit as gay and open about it as the dildo waving guy wearing a rainbow thong.

    I'd argue he's done more to have homosexuality accepted by Conservative Americans than 20000 gay pride marches.

    Imagine you are a gay teen in say Alabama. Who is an easier sell to your parents and friends : a pro Trump well dressed guy or the dildo waving guy above?

    Could you imagne straight pride being addressesd by an openly gay man before Milo?


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    #274
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Milo Yiannopolous is opnely gay and married to his African American boyfriend. Not a great example of intolerance there. You might not agree with his politics but he's every bit as gay and open about it as the dildo waving guy wearing a rainbow thong.

    I'd argue he's done more to have homosexuality accepted by Conservative Americans than 20000 gay pride marches.

    Imagine you are a gay teen in say Alabama. Who is an easier sell to your parents and friends : a pro Trump well dressed guy or the dildo waving guy above?

    It’s gas that you think someone that idolises nazi’s isn’t a great example of intolerance.


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    #275
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Milo Yiannopolous is opnely gay and married to his African American boyfriend. Not a great example of intolerance there. You might not agree with his politics but he's every bit as gay and open about it as the dildo waving guy wearing a rainbow thong.

    I'd argue he's done more to have homosexuality accepted by Conservative Americans than 20000 gay pride marches.

    Imagine you are a gay teen in say Alabama. Who is an easier sell to your parents and friends : a pro Trump well dressed guy or the dildo waving guy above?
    He is also a complete opportunist scumbag...who has thankfully been banned from pretty much every social media platform for his far right trolling and neo naziism support amongst other things...I am well aware he is gay lol.
    Argue away...but if Conservative Americans look to him to try and improve acceptance I wouldn't....for one he supports pedophilia.
    The fact you use a "dildo waving guy wearing a rainbow thong" or Milo as the two examples to "sell" being gay.....says it all.


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    #276
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I read a great comment on the twitters about the straight pride parade.

    “They already have a straight pride parade. It’s called Saint Patrick’s Day parade”

    I thought it was funny anyway :pac:


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    #277
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also I have "How to be a LGBTQ+ Ally" posters in my workplace telling me how to behave towards LGBT people in a very condescending way. How i should constantly check my privilege.

    Including bizarrely being ready to give hugs at all times. Ehhh no. There's something called consent, and MeToo.


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    #278
    [Deleted User]
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    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    It’s gas that you think someone that idolises nazi’s isn’t a great example of intolerance.

    Proof? Everyone you disagree with is a nazi.


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    #279
    [Deleted User]
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    gmisk wrote: »
    He is also a complete opportunist scumbag...who has thankfully been banned from pretty much every social media platform for his far right trolling and neo naziism support amongst other things...I am well aware he is gay lol.
    Argue away...but if Conservative Americans look to him to try and improve acceptance I wouldn't....for one he supports pedophilia.
    The fact you use a "dildo waving guy wearing a rainbow thong" or Milo as the two examples to "sell" being gay.....says it all.

    There we go. Intolerance 101. I was purposely using the extreme examples that the conservative types could use to said gay teen. Then you say that "says it all". Next I'll be called a nazi.

    I'm not claiming Milo is a saint... He's made a good career from this... But so many others have too.


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    #280
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There we go. Intolerance 101. I was purposely using the extreme examples that the conservative types could use to said gay teen. Then you say that "says it all". Next I'll be called a nazi.

    I'm not claiming Milo is a saint... He's made a good career from this... But so many others have too.
    That is not intolerance 101...you admitted you picked two extremes....maybe the LGBT person could think of a slightly more middle of the road "normal" example of a gay person?

    He is a nazi supporter...I am not sure where the doubt is.
    He was singing karaoke to a nazi crowd giving him nazi salutes ffs.


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    #281
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Proof? Everyone you disagree with is a nazi.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/06/milo-yiannopolous-sang-karaoke-nazi-saluting-audience/
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/paypal-suspends-milo-yiannopoulos-over-nazi-based-trolling-of-jewish-journalist/
    Some more details on that lovely example
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/06/24/milo-yiannopoulos-tried-troll-jewish-journalist-nazi-symbols-it-backfired-him

    Also in October 2017, leaked emails revealed that Yiannopoulos had repeatedly solicited neo-Nazi and white supremacist figures on the alt-right for feedback and story ideas in his work for the website Breitbart.


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    #282
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Proof? Everyone you disagree with is a nazi.

    Nope. Milo actually is a neo-nazi sympathiser. Read his Wikipedia page for the cliff notes version. Or look at any of the photos of him wearing nazi paraphernalia.

    Milo is used as propaganda for the alt right, to say “look we don’t mind the gays as long as they’re as hateful as us”.

    Honestly I thought most people saw through him by now. I guess some still slip through the cracks.


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    #283
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    Nope. Milo actually is a neo-nazi sympathiser. Read his Wikipedia page for the cliff notes version. Or look at any of the photos of him wearing nazi paraphernalia.

    Milo is used as propaganda for the alt right, to say “look we don’t mind the gays as long as they’re as hateful as us”.

    Honestly I thought most people saw through him by now. I guess some still slip through the cracks.
    Also see those two gay lads that were rolled out at every opportunity during the marriage referendum here.....one of which didnt even vote as he was...at Eurovision.....lol


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    #284
    [Deleted User]
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    gmisk wrote: »
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/06/milo-yiannopolous-sang-karaoke-nazi-saluting-audience/
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/paypal-suspends-milo-yiannopoulos-over-nazi-based-trolling-of-jewish-journalist/
    Some more details on that lovely example
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/06/24/milo-yiannopoulos-tried-troll-jewish-journalist-nazi-symbols-it-backfired-him

    Also in October 2017, leaked emails revealed that Yiannopoulos had repeatedly solicited neo-Nazi and white supremacist figures on the alt-right for feedback and story ideas in his work for the website Breitbart.

    OK I wasn't aware of this. Fair enough.


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    #285
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    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    Nope. Milo actually is a neo-nazi sympathiser. Read his Wikipedia page for the cliff notes version. Or look at any of the photos of him wearing nazi paraphernalia.

    Milo is used as propaganda for the alt right, to say “look we don’t mind the gays as long as they’re as hateful as us”.

    Honestly I thought most people saw through him by now. I guess some still slip through the cracks.

    I guess the fact he suddenly vanished off all platforms didn't help. I genuinely had never heard this before.

    [EDIT]: Just read some stuff on the Wikipedia page. A nasty individual.


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    #286
    dont bother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭dont bother


    has this thread seriously degraded to "straight" lads threatening to turn Ireland into Russia where gays get beaten in the street?

    what these little dweebs would want to remember is that we would simply kick the sh!t out of them if this occurred.

    also, here's my reasoning for why there seem to be so many of these little tiny-minded trolls:

    they are Jealous. why? they see the legitimisation of being gay as "rubbing it in their face" why? because Gays finally have options.
    they are stuck with some moaning woman, who then has kids, which means they are forced to work to pay for the kid for pretty much the rest of their days.

    they are financially burdened by the very life they "choose" to live (ie: the straight one) , they are stuck in the rat-race of the straight life... they MUST go to their mundane jobs to support "the family" and they are essentially imprisoned. they HATE that gays can keep all their earnings for themselves if they choose, there'll be no moaning wife, they can continue to go to the pub/drink/socialise like they were still 18.

    they are simply Jealous that gay men are not "Stuck" into the rat-race life of the straight man.

    so, lads, go on out and spend your disposable income, have a dance on a schoolnight and a few whiskeys.

    always remember - the straights are the ones who are STUCK in the rat race.

    we can live.


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    #287
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Thats quite surprising in ways considering some of the homophobic views you express here that gay men kissing in public are pathetic attention seekers, that Ireland is "pussified" and obsessed with "the gay agenda" and that only certain types of gay men are acceptable.


    It's not homophobic to despise attention-seeking behaviour.

    It's not homophobic to say that we as a society have become 'pussified'. If you had enquired, you would discover that I amongst others use that term on these boards in very broad contexts that have ZERO to do with the issue of homophobia. But you didn't ask.

    It is juvenile to suggest that a person is homophobic because they despise the cringy, shrill, loud, boring, fakeness of so many gays in the public eye.

    The problem with you, and your ilk, is that you paranoically think any criticism of any gay person is an attack on the totality of the gay community.

    At the very least, you make that accusation reflexively, over and over again.

    Tactically, in other words.


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    #288
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    dont bother wrote: »
    has this thread seriously degraded to "straight" lads threatening to turn Ireland into Russia where gays get beaten in the street?

    what these little dweebs would want to remember is that we would simply kick the sh!t out of them if this occurred.

    also, here's my reasoning for why there seem to be so many of these little tiny-minded trolls:

    they are Jealous. why? they see the legitimisation of being gay as "rubbing it in their face" why? because Gays finally have options.
    they are stuck with some moaning woman, who then has kids, which means they are forced to work to pay for the kid for pretty much the rest of their days.

    they are financially burdened by the very life they "choose" to live (ie: the straight one) , they are stuck in the rat-race of the straight life... they MUST go to their mundane jobs to support "the family" and they are essentially imprisoned. they HATE that gays can keep all their earnings for themselves if they choose, there'll be no moaning wife, they can continue to go to the pub/drink/socialise like they were still 18.

    they are simply Jealous that gay men are not "Stuck" into the rat-race life of the straight man.

    so, lads, go on out and spend your disposable income, have a dance on a schoolnight and a few whiskeys.

    always remember - the straights are the ones who are STUCK in the rat race.

    we can live.

    At least you know how your parents feel.

    Apart from that, your post is possibly the most vacuous misogynistic, and pedophobic drivel anyone has ever put up on boards.

    Well done you.


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    #289
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    It's not homophobic to despise attention-seeking behaviour.

    It's not homophobic to say that we as a society have become 'pussified'. If you had enquired, you would discover that I amongst others use that term on these boards in very broad contexts that have ZERO to do with the issue of homophobia. But you didn't ask.

    It is juvenile to suggest that a person is homophobic because they despise the cringy, shrill, loud, boring, fakeness of so many gays in the public eye.

    The problem with you, and your ilk, is that you paranoically think any criticism of any gay person is an attack on the totality of the gay community.

    At the very least, you make that accusation reflexively, over and over again.

    Tactically, in other words.

    I’m gay. Most of my friends are gay. Neither I nor any of them behave in a loud shrill cringy way at all. Your sweeping generalization is rather ridiculous.
    You still run the risk anywhere in Ireland of getting beaten up for even being identifiably gay never mind holding hands with your boyfriend. You’ll regularly still have some prick shouting homophobic abuse out his car window or from gangs of scumbag teens, which can be be even worse and to lead to violence. So this ‘attention seeking’ bullish!t is exactly that.

    I never actually see any of the behaviors you mentioned even in gay bars. I often see homophobic pricks being just that though.

    Why are you criticising gay people if as you claim you don’t have any problem with them?

    You can’t even point to the bad stereotypes of gay people in media any longer as they seem to have disappeared given the way culture and acceptance and equality have come to Change that.
    If you can I’m happy to hear of them. That bad damaging gay stereotype annoyed ordinary gay people a lot more Then you and for a lot longer and lead to people like you thinking as you do.
    Clearly.

    It’s ignorance fear and basic insecurity in my experience when I come across views like these. Often it’s just a homophobic prick who can’t be the homophobic prick he actually is, cos hey. forum, rules forbid it.
    Very often people like you are just sad closet cases an lashing out.


    You can’t justify making sweeping generalizations of all gay people in barely disguised homophobic remarks and then try place it behind the ridiculous defense ‘you’re just goin to call me homophobic! Paranoid! So easily offended!’ Nobody’s falling for that.


    Ps if you’re so against everything be so pussified why do gay people bother you so much?
    Oh so fragile. Oh so threatened.
    Man the fvck up ye pussy.


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    #290
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    dont bother wrote: »
    has this thread seriously degraded to "straight" lads threatening to turn Ireland into Russia where gays get beaten in the street?

    what these little dweebs would want to remember is that we would simply kick the sh!t out of them if this occurred.

    also, here's my reasoning for why there seem to be so many of these little tiny-minded trolls:

    they are Jealous. why? they see the legitimisation of being gay as "rubbing it in their face" why? because Gays finally have options.
    they are stuck with some moaning woman, who then has kids, which means they are forced to work to pay for the kid for pretty much the rest of their days.

    they are financially burdened by the very life they "choose" to live (ie: the straight one) , they are stuck in the rat-race of the straight life... they MUST go to their mundane jobs to support "the family" and they are essentially imprisoned. they HATE that gays can keep all their earnings for themselves if they choose, there'll be no moaning wife, they can continue to go to the pub/drink/socialise like they were still 18.

    they are simply Jealous that gay men are not "Stuck" into the rat-race life of the straight man.

    so, lads, go on out and spend your disposable income, have a dance on a schoolnight and a few whiskeys.

    always remember - the straights are the ones who are STUCK in the rat race.

    we can live.

    You should have heeded your own username in regards to this post.


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    #291
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I’m gay. Most of my friends are gay.

    Possibly explains your siege mentality.
    You still run the risk anywhere in Ireland of getting beaten up for even being identifiably gay never mind holding hands with your boyfriend.

    Obviously, the poster dont bother is not part of your coterie...
    what these little dweebs would want to remember is that we would simply kick the sh!t out of them if this occurred.

    Wow :D

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111149809&postcount=286

    You're obviously hanging out with the wrong kind of gay.
    I never actually see any of the behaviors you mentioned even in gay bars. I often see homophobic pricks being just that though.

    I don't believe either of those statements.
    Why are you criticising gay people if as you claim you don’t have any problem with them?

    Why am I criticising gay people ? Are they above criticism ? Don't be so stupid.


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    #292
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I’m gay. Most of my friends are gay. Neither I nor any of them behave in a loud shrill cringy way at all. Your sweeping generalization is rather ridiculous.
    You still run the risk anywhere in Ireland of getting beaten up for even being identifiably gay never mind holding hands with your boyfriend. You’ll regularly still have some prick shouting homophobic abuse out his car window or from gangs of scumbag teens, which can be be even worse and to lead to violence. So this ‘attention seeking’ bullish!t is exactly that.

    I never actually see any of the behaviors you mentioned even in gay bars. I often see homophobic pricks being just that though.

    Why are you criticising gay people if as you claim you don’t have any problem with them?

    You can’t even point to the bad stereotypes of gay people in media any longer as they seem to have disappeared given the way culture and acceptance and equality have come to Change that.
    If you can I’m happy to hear of them. That bad damaging gay stereotype annoyed ordinary gay people a lot more Then you and for a lot longer and lead to people like you thinking as you do.
    Clearly.

    It’s ignorance fear and basic insecurity in my experience when I come across views like these. Often it’s just a homophobic prick who can’t be the homophobic prick he actually is, cos hey. forum, rules forbid it.
    Very often people like you are just sad closet cases an lashing out.


    You can’t justify making sweeping generalizations of all gay people in barely disguised homophobic remarks and then try place it behind the ridiculous defense ‘you’re just goin to call me homophobic! Paranoid! So easily offended!’ Nobody’s falling for that.


    Ps if you’re so against everything be so pussified why do gay people bother you so much?
    Oh so fragile. Oh so threatened.
    Man the fvck up ye pussy.


    But you're not shrill. Not at all.

    :D


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    #293
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    I think we all know what your problems are *really* though. Online complaining about de gays all defensive and shrill, while being both those things and more yourself.

    I see you can’t actually address anything I’ve said so you’re reduced to bait n switch. Petal.


    Calling it. Closet case.

    So far back in there, you’re in Narnia.


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    #294
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    It's not homophobic to despise attention-seeking behaviour.

    It's not homophobic to say that we as a society have become 'pussified'. If you had enquired, you would discover that I amongst others use that term on these boards in very broad contexts that have ZERO to do with the issue of homophobia. But you didn't ask.

    It is juvenile to suggest that a person is homophobic because they despise the cringy, shrill, loud, boring, fakeness of so many gays in the public eye.

    The problem with you, and your ilk, is that you paranoically think any criticism of any gay person is an attack on the totality of the gay community.

    At the very least, you make that accusation reflexively, over and over again.

    Tactically, in other words.

    It's pretty juvenile to use the term "pussified"...


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    #295
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    batgoat wrote: »
    It's pretty juvenile to use the term "pussified"...

    His entire post I was replying to and outlook is really juvenile. As evidenced by his responses.


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    uck51js9zml2yt
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    dont bother wrote: »
    has this thread seriously degraded to "straight" lads threatening to turn Ireland into Russia where gays get beaten in the street?

    what these little dweebs would want to remember is that we would simply kick the sh!t out of them if this occurred.

    also, here's my reasoning for why there seem to be so many of these little tiny-minded trolls:

    they are Jealous. why? they see the legitimisation of being gay as "rubbing it in their face" why? because Gays finally have options.
    they are stuck with some moaning woman, who then has kids, which means they are forced to work to pay for the kid for pretty much the rest of their days.

    they are financially burdened by the very life they "choose" to live (ie: the straight one) , they are stuck in the rat-race of the straight life... they MUST go to their mundane jobs to support "the family" and they are essentially imprisoned. they HATE that gays can keep all their earnings for themselves if they choose, there'll be no moaning wife, they can continue to go to the pub/drink/socialise like they were still 18.

    they are simply Jealous that gay men are not "Stuck" into the rat-race life of the straight man.

    so, lads, go on out and spend your disposable income, have a dance on a schoolnight and a few whiskeys.

    always remember - the straights are the ones who are STUCK in the rat race.

    we can live.

    What about all those homosexuals adopting the unwanted children of the heterosexual population and pretending they're the same as us. And as a result are tying themselves down for the rest of their lives to live in the rat race.?? Are they jealous of us?

    Btw..I'm not straight....stop abusing me and be hetro-phobic!!(I too can make up nonsensical words)


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    #297
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    His entire post I was replying to and outlook is really juvenile. As evidenced by his responses.

    Totally and this ****e isn't the most subtle in tone either. He would benefit from remembering the likes of Roger Casement or Kathleen Lynn. Both were 1916 revolutionaries and were gay. Meanwhile Lefty leaving insightful remarks like this.
    Historically, homosexuals have tended not to have much to contribute to the preservation or maintenance of that will to survive, either by deed or lifestyle. Unless there are things about Josef Pilsudski, or Witold Pilecki that are not more generally known.


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    #298
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    batgoat wrote: »
    Totally and this ****e isn't the most subtle in tone either. He would benefit from remembering the likes of Roger Casement or Kathleen Lynn. Both were 1916 revolutionaries and were gay. Meanwhile Lefty leaving insightful remarks like this.

    If he was actually Irish I’d expect so. Boards is infested with very obvious anti everything antagonist accounts lately. I doubt the accounts with posts like the ones he’s made minute I see them.


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    #299
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    Totally and this ****e isn't the most subtle in tone either. He would benefit from remembering the likes of Roger Casement or Kathleen Lynn. Both were 1916 revolutionaries and were gay. Meanwhile Lefty leaving insightful remarks like this.
    Historically, homosexuals have tended not to have much to contribute to the preservation or maintenance of that will to survive, either by deed or lifestyle. Unless there are things about Josef Pilsudski, or Witold Pilecki that are not more generally known.

    Neither Casement or Lynn were Polish, though. Considering that whole post was obviously about the Polish context and mindset, I wonder about your basic comprehension.

    I helpfully link the post that you had not the etiquette to do.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111134350&postcount=101

    Can we assume that you actually know that neither Pilsudski nor Pilecki were in the GPO ?


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    #300
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    If he was actually Irish I’d expect so. Boards is infested with very obvious anti everything antagonist accounts lately. I doubt the accounts with posts like the ones he’s made minute I see them.

    Is this post really as silly and refutable as it first appears ?

    On what honest basis would you make such a laughable error ?

    You are clearly an instinctively dishonest person.


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    #301
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    It's not homophobic to despise attention-seeking behaviour.

    It's not homophobic to say that we as a society have become 'pussified'. If you had enquired, you would discover that I amongst others use that term on these boards in very broad contexts that have ZERO to do with the issue of homophobia. But you didn't ask.

    It is juvenile to suggest that a person is homophobic because they despise the cringy, shrill, loud, boring, fakeness of so many gays in the public eye.

    The problem with you, and your ilk, is that you paranoically think any criticism of any gay person is an attack on the totality of the gay community.

    At the very least, you make that accusation reflexively, over and over again.

    Tactically, in other words.

    And you know what you're going to do about it?
    You're going to post aggressive sh*t about it on an internet forum, safe behind your keyboard.
    And you know what else you'll do?
    Nothing, the LGBTQ community has a right to exist and they can be as butch or camp about it as they like.
    If it offends the good sir, may I suggest the following course of action.

    IMF]


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