How are ye dealing with the compulsory homosexuality in Ireland?

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 3:42pm

batgoat wrote: »

Here you go, you're praising Poland for not being "pussified", it's like homophobic propaganda hour and you totally seem to admire more homophobic states. Meanwhile Ireland has accepted the dreaded gay agenda by being tolerant etc.

You see, this is where your bias and inability to move beyond binary thinking gets in your way.

In the very piece you've quoted back to me I said in reference to Poland...

THEY GO TOO FAR.

More generally, you ought to have just requoted my post, because every interpretation you've tagged on is an exaggeration or an untruth.

But learning to read more carefully ought to be your first priority, I think.

batgoat · 01-09-2019 4:00pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You see, this is where your bias and inability to move beyond binary thinking gets in your way.

In the very piece you've quoted back to me I said in reference to Poland...

THEY GO TOO FAR.

More generally, you ought to have just requoted my post, because every interpretation you've tagged on is an exaggeration or an untruth.

But learning to read more carefully ought to be your first priority, I think.

So you don't believe Ireland has been 'pussified' as a result of becoming a more tolerant society?

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 4:03pm

batgoat wrote: »

So you don't believe Ireland has been 'pussified' as a result of becoming a more tolerant society?

A simple apology for totally misrepresenting what I said, would suffice.

Have the common decency to do that ?

batgoat · 01-09-2019 4:04pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

A simple apology for totally misrepresenting what I said, would suffice.

Have the common decency to do that ?

I'm not apologising as you clearly respect the direction they've gone to some extent(your rants about camp gay men etc) . Are you simply dodging my question.

Stop moaning ffs · 01-09-2019 4:04pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I am very much aware of that.

For that and many other reasons I wouldn't live there for diamonds.

Then how is it xenophobic to point out such an article coming out of Poland if you’re so aware of what they’re like when it comes to gays?

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 4:07pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Then how is it xenophobic to point out such an article coming out of Poland if you’re so aware of what they’re like when it comes to gays?

Because you didn't say that the article came out of Poland, did you ?

You said...

Why is it always Poland these bizarre stories come from?

Singling out a nation. Not good.

Factually incorrect. Much worse.

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 4:12pm

batgoat wrote: »

I'm not apologising as you clearly respect the direction they've gone to some extent(your rants about camp gay men etc) . Are you simply dodging my question.

You should always have the integrity to apologise to people you have misrepresented.

Even when you disagree with them in broad terms. That is basic courtesy.

You don't have that integrity, QED.

batgoat · 01-09-2019 4:14pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You should always have the integrity to apologise to people you have misrepresented.

Even when you disagree with them in broad terms. That is basic courtesy.

You don't have that integrity, QED.

You're actively avoided my question.... Which is a bit telling.

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 4:16pm

batgoat wrote: »

You're actively avoided my question.... Which is a bit telling.

You've actively avoided apologising for your lack of integrity.

We won't get far until you deal with that.

batgoat · 01-09-2019 4:18pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You've actively avoided apologising for your lack of integrity.

We won't get far until you deal with that.

Then that's the end of this conversation. Everyone is aware of what you have posted in this thread. You mightn't approve of how far Poland has gone but you clearly seem to oppose Ireland is being a tolerant nation. Now bye!

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 4:21pm

batgoat wrote: »

Then that's the end of this conversation. Everyone is aware of what you have posted in this thread. You mightn't approve of how far Poland has gone but you clearly seem to oppose Ireland is being a tolerant nation. Now bye!

Then you should apologise for saying quite the opposite.

But with these last disingenuous weasel words, you ran away.

:rolleyes:

Stop moaning ffs · 01-09-2019 4:38pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Because you didn't say that the article came out of Poland, did you ?

You said...

Singling out a nation. Not good.

Factually incorrect. Much worse.

That’s misleading at best.

If there were other articles like it from other countries I’m sure we’d be talking about them no?

Eric Cartman · 01-09-2019 4:41pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

That’s misleading at best.

If there were other articles like it from other countries I’m sure we’d be talking about them no?

except islamic countries, then everyone would respond 'but de catholics' . You can only condemn a nations outward homophobic stance if theyre a white country.

batgoat · 01-09-2019 4:44pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

except islamic countries, then everyone would respond 'but de catholics' . You can only condemn a nations outward homophobic stance if theyre a white country.

That's not really true, we do criticize Islamic nations for their crap human rights records. Human rights orgs such as Amnesty also heavily criticise them. You just think we should judge the individual based on their country's human rights record. Eg I know plenty of Polish people who think their country's human rights record is getting worse and worse, so I'm not gonna suddenly start judging the average Pole for the state of Poland.

Stop moaning ffs · 01-09-2019 4:49pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

except islamic countries, then everyone would respond 'but de catholics' . You can only condemn a nations outward homophobic stance if theyre a white country.

Eh wha?

Isn’t it a bit bizarre the Muslims, evangelical Americans, far right Europeans and of course Russians have this one thing in common

They all hate gay people.

The op article is remarkable cos Poland is inn the Eu.

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 5:11pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

That’s misleading at best.

If there were other articles like it from other countries I’m sure we’d be talking about them no?

IF you knew about them, you would.

Are you honestly trying to suggest that Poland is the only country from where this kind of stuff emanates ?

Eric Cartman · 01-09-2019 5:23pm

I suppose it proves that the EU has an implied social agenda adds up if even somebody that side of the aisle is surprised theyve allowed a country to continue..

pinkyeye · 01-09-2019 7:04pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Straight lives matter! Straight pride! Aka a trump rally
The actual state of them. And they wonder why they’re single

https://twitter.com/ksullivannews/status/1167833496385183744?s=21

The irony of them playing Freedom doesn't even strike them.

:D:D

pinkyeye · 01-09-2019 7:07pm

francois wrote: »

2 blokes kissing seems to trigger a certain type.

Don't see many complaints when it's two women kissing though, wonder why??

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 7:15pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

The irony of them playing Freedom doesn't even strike them. :D:D

They are not 'playing Freedom'.

They are playing 'Think', by Aretha Franklin.

There's an irony there that will probably not strike you.

Think !

:rolleyes:

gmisk · 01-09-2019 10:09pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

They are not 'playing Freedom'.

They are playing 'Think', by Aretha Franklin.

There's an irony there that will probably not strike you.

Think !

:rolleyes:

Chain of fools might be more appropriate

Lefty Bicek · 01-09-2019 10:17pm

gmisk wrote: »

Chain of fools might be more appropriate

mad muffin · 01-09-2019 10:38pm

As a straight man. I have no issue with consenting adults expressing their sexuality. No issue with people of the same sex getting married. I’m all for it. There should be no restrictions on the freedoms and privileges of citizens regardless of orientation.

I just don’t understand why homosexuality has been overtly sexualised? Why is it that in the pride parades, it seems a large part of the participants project a behaviour that isn’t acceptable to be seen by kids? Sexual gyrations. Dildos. Intimate body parts on display. Fetishes on display.

Is this what the gay community want to transmit as what it is being gay?

And since it has been brought up in this thread. Why is it that people are afraid of the straight pride parade? Do you think your hard won acceptance will be taken away if a few straight people project a sense of pride in their own identity?

Are those who are opposed to that behaving in the same way as those that are in the article? Being scared closed minded bigots?

01-09-2019 10:47pm

Varadkar mustn't be doing too much wrong if some people here have to bring the man's sexuality into any attack on him.

In reality, there is plenty wrong with actions by his government. It beggars belief that somebody would even think about his sexuality. The same sort of thing used to be very common when talk about a female politician emerged; make insinuations about her irrationality/whatever because she's a woman, rather than attack her policies. Harney was a perfect example of that - a pernicious influence, our very own wannabe Tory - but then people would bring her gender and weight into it rather than focus on her policies, and give her a get out of jail free pass.

CosmicFool · 02-09-2019 1:57am

mad muffin wrote: »

As a straight man. I have no issue with consenting adults expressing their sexuality. No issue with people of the same sex getting married. I’m all for it. There should be no restrictions on the freedoms and privileges of citizens regardless of orientation.

I just don’t understand why homosexuality has been overtly sexualised? Why is it that in the pride parades, it seems a large part of the participants project a behaviour that isn’t acceptable to be seen by kids? Sexual gyrations. Dildos. Intimate body parts on display. Fetishes on display.

Is this what the gay community want to transmit as what it is being gay?

And since it has been brought up in this thread. Why is it that people are afraid of the straight pride parade? Do you think your hard won acceptance will be taken away if a few straight people project a sense of pride in their own identity?

Are those who are opposed to that behaving in the same way as those that are in the article? Being scared closed minded bigots?

Ok but instead of using pride parade or the gay community change it to Hen parties or Stag parties.

In fact we have one day of the year where we parade around looking like right eegits but to be fair we have a great time doing.

Pherekydes · 02-09-2019 2:14am

fat zombie wrote: »

For the first time in decades the acceptance of homosexuals has dropped in polls...

Do you mean in Poles? :pac:

One eyed Jack · 02-09-2019 2:23am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Lefty are you unaware how completely awful it is to be gay and in Poland? You cannot he openly gay. Unless you want your head smashed in.
That’s not bigoted. That’s fact.

One things for certain anyway - you’re definitely unaware of the general public’s attitudes to homosexuality in Poland.

I don’t know where you get your information, but for what it’s worth, and this is just one example, though I could cite many -

The gay mayor shaking up politics in Catholic Poland

Annasopra · 02-09-2019 7:17am

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I am very much aware of that.

For that and many other reasons I wouldn't live there for diamonds.

Thats quite surprising in ways considering some of the homophobic views you express here that gay men kissing in public are pathetic attention seekers, that Ireland is "pussified" and obsessed with "the gay agenda" and that only certain types of gay men are acceptable.

Peatys · 02-09-2019 7:26am

pinkyeye wrote: »

Don't see many complaints when it's two women kissing though, wonder why??

Because that's deadly

gmisk · 02-09-2019 8:51am

mad muffin wrote: »

As a straight man. I have no issue with consenting adults expressing their sexuality. No issue with people of the same sex getting married. I’m all for it. There should be no restrictions on the freedoms and privileges of citizens regardless of orientation.

I just don’t understand why homosexuality has been overtly sexualised? Why is it that in the pride parades, it seems a large part of the participants project a behaviour that isn’t acceptable to be seen by kids? Sexual gyrations. Dildos. Intimate body parts on display. Fetishes on display.

Is this what the gay community want to transmit as what it is being gay?

And since it has been brought up in this thread. Why is it that people are afraid of the straight pride parade? Do you think your hard won acceptance will be taken away if a few straight people project a sense of pride in their own identity?

Are those who are opposed to that behaving in the same way as those that are in the article? Being scared closed minded bigots?

Maybe look at the people involved with this event? Their beliefs etc...it is nothing to do with a sense of pride in being straight... Look at the people speaking at it (e.g. Milo Yiannopoulos), the organisers, the flags and groups involved.

I genuinely haven't seen anything particularly non PC in the Dublin pride parade, have you actually been to a pride event here? The event last year in Smithfield square was very family friendly, a kid might see a man in a dress its hardly a reason to clutch your pearls.

Its also not as if Pride is for every LGBT person, I know plenty of people who wouldn't in a million years want to go to or feel they are represented by it as an event in any way. For example this year I went to the alternative pride protest, I dont agree particularly with the bizarre and ever increasing commercialisation of the pride event it has become less about Pride as a protest to try and highlight social issues etc, and more about selling corporate entities (tesco, BOI etc).

How are ye dealing with the compulsory homosexuality in Ireland?

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