Car drives through crowd in Dundalk Graveyard

22-07-2019 6:34pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Travellers are having a growing negative impact on so many towns and villages all over Ireland it’s going to be bigger than any other issue in coming elections .... are Fine Gael going to continue their head in the sand attitude to travellers??

That it seems is the FG way and Irish politics in general

Graces7 wrote: »

I have said this before on a similar thread that I have known great kindness from many travellers. Only one negative experience in nearly 20 years and many positive, time and again. Practical kindnesses.

I like a lot of your posts, but this one is not reflective of what many people experience from that group of society, namely threats, hostility, violence.
I would have no dealings with them in any way anymore, in my experience of being civil to some of them, thats not good enough, better to ignore them, not invite them to your door and decline them with the minimum of fuss. Based on that video, thats what I expect from them, no surprises really. I am not biased, I expect the same for anyone who behaves like that, settled or not to be dealt a serious punishment, locked away without release and if need be if they repeat offend, and I mean multiple repeat offnces, but even only one if its violent or serious to be locked away from society permanantly, it would cost, but thats a price I consider reasonable if it takes the out of society when they have nothing to contribute, see how they feel in 20 years time, if that doesnt deter the next generation, then repeat.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Surely a graveyard wouldn't be a great place to try knocking people down as the headstones would act like concrete bollards.

Driving at speed anywhere is dangerous, all you need to do is hit one person or a group, pin them against a headstone, if that vehicle stopped you'd think that people would be brave enough and decent enough to sort it out on the spot.

alastair wrote: »

None of which suggests that ethnic minority status means they’re allowed race on the roads - the claim being made. They’re not, and the body leading the campaign for recognizing ethnicity status is plainly opposed to racing on the roads. Individual Travelers aren't exactly unique in ignoring rules and laws.

They might not be unique in ignoring laws, but how many times do you hear about them and its extreme, I even heard of a few recently in Longford, stabbings and supposedly a shooting, which I did not hear mentioned in national media, that behaviour is indefensible, just beacuse other people disregard laws does nto mean they should be allowed get away with the kind of extreme disregard they display.

whisky_galore · 22-07-2019 7:21pm

alastair wrote: »

It frames discrimination against the Travellers as a matter of ethnicity, and it protects Travellers against the return of historic policies of cultural assimilation. It was never mooted as having anything to do with tackling Traveller criminality - as you implied.

Assimilation would be better for them and for everyone.
A degraded 'culture' that should have been killed with kindness years ago.

_Brian · 23-07-2019 3:18am

Any updates on this incident?

Was it absolutely intentional to hit people or was that just the outcome of an idiot driving carelessly??

Presuming by the general conversation people are sure it was a member of the traveler community ??

Graces7 · 23-07-2019 8:25am

1874 wrote: »

That it seems is the FG way and Irish politics in general

I like a lot of your posts, but this one is not reflective of what many people experience from that group of society,

I think that is what Shakespeare calls, " damn with faint praise."!

I am not aiming to reflect the experiences of others, but attest to my own. which have been almost totally positive, kinder than those of non travellers. They are not all the same

blinding · 23-07-2019 8:32am

_Brian wrote: »

Any updates on this incident?

Was it absolutely intentional to hit people or was that just the outcome of an idiot driving carelessly??

Presuming by the general conversation people are sure it was a member of the traveler community ??

Well he was travelling at some speed .

STB. · 23-07-2019 9:01am

_Brian wrote: »

Any updates on this incident?

Was it absolutely intentional to hit people or was that just the outcome of an idiot driving carelessly??

Presuming by the general conversation people are sure it was a member of the traveler community ??

Cmon Brian. The car is reportedly stolen.

There is a history of incidents at this graveyard.

Infact generally there is a history of incidents at churches and graveyards involving one group of people, beit weddings or funerals.

A general disrespect for human life.

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 9:04am

Graces7 wrote: »

I think that is what Shakespeare calls, " damn with faint praise."!

I am not aiming to reflect the experiences of others, but attest to my own. which have been almost totally positive, kinder than those of non travellers. They are not all the same

In my experience Travellers love quoting and reciting Shakespeare so this is fairly on the nose.

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 10:25am

Omackeral wrote: »

In my experience Travellers love quoting and reciting Shakespeare so this is fairly on the nose.

Indeed. I have heard one quote Shakespeare as be booted his dog out the door of his caravan “ out damned Spot”.

antix80 · 23-07-2019 11:14am

_Brian wrote: »

Presuming by the general conversation people are sure it was a member of the traveler community ??

They said his name on today FM but the office here is noisy. Pretty sure I heard "McDonagh".

whisky_galore · 23-07-2019 11:19am

tayto lover wrote: »

Indeed. I have heard one quote Shakespeare as be booted his dog out the door of his caravan “ out damned Spot”.

Art thou partial to dags?

KrustyUCC · 23-07-2019 11:25am

antix80 wrote: »

They said his name on today FM but the office here is noisy. Pretty sure I heard "McDonagh".

"James McDonagh, 28, with an address at Glenmore Park, Muirhevnamore, Dundalk, faces a charge of the unlawful use of a car and one of dangerous driving."

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0723/1064722-james-mcdonagh-court/

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 11:26am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"James McDonagh, 28, with an address at Glenmore Park, Muirhevnamore, Dundalk, faces a charge of the unlawful use of a car and one of dangerous driving."

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0723/1064722-james-mcdonagh-court/

Yes he’s a Traveler.

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 11:27am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Art thou partial to dags?

Or “is this a dag (ger) I see before me”.

antix80 · 23-07-2019 11:28am

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes he’s a Traveler.

There was never any doubt about that.

mloc123 · 23-07-2019 11:28am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"James McDonagh, 28, with an address at Glenmore Park, Muirhevnamore, Dundalk, faces a charge of the unlawful use of a car and one of dangerous driving."

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0723/1064722-james-mcdonagh-court/

That is it? dangerous driving? The same charge you would get for doing over 160kph on a motorway? GTFO

KrustyUCC · 23-07-2019 11:30am

I'd say unlawful use of a car might be more serious charge?

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 11:33am

mloc123 wrote: »

That is it? dangerous driving? The same charge you would get for doing over 160kph on a motorway? GTFO

There will probably be more serious charges brought as the elderly man has been transferred to a Dublin hospital. I’d say they’re waiting.

Deebles McBeebles · 23-07-2019 11:33am

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes he’s a Traveler.

Knew that from the pic of him getting arrested while topless in the papers the next day. There was no mention of it but you know, we know.

blinding · 23-07-2019 11:36am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Knew that from the pic of him getting arrested while topless in the papers the next day. There was no mention of it but you know, we know.

Did the Guards not take the top of him to make sure he did not have a suicide vest on ? He was behaving like a terrorist . Terrorising People .

banie01 · 23-07-2019 11:37am

alastair wrote: »

It frames discrimination against the Travellers as a matter of ethnicity, and it protects Travellers against the return of historic policies of cultural assimilation. It was never mooted as having anything to do with tackling Traveller criminality - as you implied.

Do you see the issue with protection of a subsection of the Irish population against "cultural assimilation" when that very thing is being more and more stridently demanded of immigrants to our country?

It really is developing into a strange case of separate but equal.

There is no protection afforded by the inclusion of "ethnic" status in equal rights legislation that is not already adequately covered under any of the other 8 grounds.
It has instead allowed questioning of traveller status, motives and actions to be labelled as racism.
The traveller support groups have developed in a very similar way to homeless support groups and have become quite an industry with the attendant growth of vested interests.

It is ridiculous to pursue a policy of integration and community placement for immigrants and refugees, all whilst allowing and enabling a cohort of Irish people to quite deliberately place themselves outside the norms of society.

BarryD2 · 23-07-2019 11:43am

mloc123 wrote: »

That is it? dangerous driving? The same charge you would get for doing over 160kph on a motorway? GTFO

??? A few penalty points and/or a driving ban? Which would mean absolutely nothing as these sort of laws and penalties are just simply ignored by people like this.

Mr Magnolia · 23-07-2019 11:45am

https://www.talkofthetown.ie/man-charged-with-dangerous-driving-over-incident-at-the-blessing-of-the-graves/

A 28-year-old man has appeared in court in Drogheda this morning in relation to the incident at the Blessing of the Graves ceremony at St Patrick’s Cemetery in Dundalk on Sunday.

James McDonagh, with an address at Glenmore Park, Muirhevnamor, Dundalk, Co Louth, was charged with dangerous driving and the unlawful use of a vehicle without consent of its owner at the graveyard on July 21st.

He was remanded in custody to appear before Cloverhill District Court next Tuesday.

An elderly man remains in a serious condition in hospital in Dublin after being struck by a vehicle which sped through the crowd at the annual patrun. A number of other people received minor injuries while several cars were damaged in the terrifying incident.

Quelle surprise.

Odelay · 23-07-2019 1:22pm

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

https://www.talkofthetown.ie/man-charged-with-dangerous-driving-over-incident-at-the-blessing-of-the-graves/

Quelle surprise.

How the hell did ye know it was going to be a traveler that did it????

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 1:32pm

Odelay wrote: »

How the hell did ye know it was going to be a traveler that did it????

its a violent crime in dundalk that required a massive lack of education.

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 1:48pm

Odelay wrote: »

How the hell did ye know it was going to be a traveler that did it????

Graveyard, funeral, wedding. Any trouble at any of those is usually about Travelers.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-07-2019 1:48pm

McDonagh:rolleyes:

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 1:51pm

If it's a crime and the surname is McDonagh/Ward/Cash/Joyce/ Connors/Hand then it's more than likely Travellers. That's in my experience anyway.

Deebles McBeebles · 23-07-2019 2:07pm

Odelay wrote: »

How the hell did ye know it was going to be a traveler that did it????

They cause trouble at that mass every year apparently. Its usually reported the next day. Gardaí had a helicopter at it one year.

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 2:10pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

They cause trouble at that mass every year apparently. Its usually reported the next day. Gardaí had a helicopter at it one year.

imagine having a group of people around that are so violent and hell bent on criminality youre not even being able to have a ceremony in a graveyard to pay respect for the dead without a garda helicopter or people ending up in hospital,

and then imagine that there are people who defend that group.

Dyr · 23-07-2019 2:12pm

It's not ISIS..it's Joyces!

ED E · 23-07-2019 2:47pm

the unlawful use of a vehicle

Hadn't heard that one before, seems like its probably what the brits call a "TWOC" or Taking without consent.

Poor lad just wanted to show dead Aunty Mary his new motor he just nicked.

bigroad · 23-07-2019 4:27pm

Is there no dangerous driving causing serious harm charge.

selectamatic · 23-07-2019 4:36pm

blinding wrote: »

Did the Guards not take the top of him to make sure he did not have a suicide vest on ? He was behaving like a terrorist . Terrorising People .

Na it's believed he removed it while shouting
"I'll fight any man"

It's kinda like shouting "Allahu akbar" except with less explosive connotations.

blinding · 23-07-2019 4:41pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Na it's believed he removed it while shouting
"I'll fight any man"

It's kinda like shouting "Allahu akbar" except with less explosive connotations.

Thats Traveller for “ Allah Akbar “

They are Mad Ted !

sligojoek · 23-07-2019 4:45pm

Omackeral wrote: »

If it's a crime and the surname is McDonagh/Ward/Cash/Joyce/ Connors/Hand then it's more than likely Travellers. That's in my experience anyway.

Sweeney and McGinley up this way. Google those names and Sligo. No need to add ,"Court" to the search. Google does the rest.

tayto lover · 23-07-2019 8:28pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Na it's believed he removed it while shouting
"I'll fight any man"

It's kinda like shouting "Allahu akbar" except with less explosive connotations.

“ Shyte in a bucket “ is much scarier.

Turner · 23-07-2019 10:47pm

bigroad wrote: »

Is there no dangerous driving causing serious harm charge.

Endangerment.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/13/enacted/en/html#sec13

Gardai cant charge with that immediately, they need permission from the DPP after submitting a file.

The dangerous driving is a holding charge.

sligojoek · 23-07-2019 11:38pm

Probably waiting to see how the victim fares out as well.

juneg · 24-07-2019 9:06am

sligojoek wrote: »

Probably waiting to see how the victim fares out as well.

Jesus the poor man

Deebles McBeebles · 24-07-2019 1:57pm

Still can't find anything on how that poor old man is getting on. Hopefully no news is good news.

Mr Magnolia · 24-07-2019 2:15pm

He's very ill after-going surgery in the care of the Beaumont. Don't want to say much on a public forum but will post any worthwhile update as they arise or as I hear them.

May he get well soon.

splinter65 · 24-07-2019 3:32pm

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

He's very ill after-going surgery in the care of the Beaumont. Don't want to say much on a public forum but will post any worthwhile update as they arise or as I hear them.

May he get well soon.

Jesus it’s disgraceful that people can’t congregate at such a peaceful respectful ceremony and not be safe from a knuckle dragging ape who was probably off his head on something or other.
The Gardai dropped the ball on this. If there was trouble other years then they needed to have had a presence there on Sunday.
This has terrified my elderly mother.

Deebles McBeebles · 24-07-2019 3:40pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Jesus it’s disgraceful that people can’t congregate at such a peaceful respectful ceremony and not be safe from a knuckle dragging ape who was probably off his head on something or other.
The Gardai dropped the ball on this. If there was trouble other years then they needed to have had a presence there on Sunday.
This has terrified my elderly mother.

They did have a presence in the past so I'm unsure as to why they didn't this year. Surely they didn't think "ah, it'll be grand".

Would be less costly to us all if they just took the ringleaders out of commission for the day.

I still can't believe I'm talking about an open air mass in a cemetery in these terms.

tayto lover · 24-07-2019 3:50pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Jesus it’s disgraceful that people can’t congregate at such a peaceful respectful ceremony and not be safe from a knuckle dragging ape who was probably off his head on something or other.
The Gardai dropped the ball on this. If there was trouble other years then they needed to have had a presence there on Sunday.
This has terrified my elderly mother.

There were Garda about but this lad took someone’s car from inside the cemetery and their 9 year old child had to jump from it and luckily wasn’t injured. There’s not much the Garda could have done about that in fairness.

splinter65 · 24-07-2019 4:41pm

tayto lover wrote: »

There were Garda about but this lad took someone’s car from inside the cemetery and their 9 year old child had to jump from it and luckily wasn’t injured. There’s not much the Garda could have done about that in fairness.

I suppose.

Mr Magnolia · 24-07-2019 4:48pm

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

He's very ill after-going surgery in the care of the Beaumont. Don't want to say much on a public forum but will post any worthwhile update as they arise or as I hear them.

May he get well soon.

There's more detail public now. He had a bleed on the brain which was operated on:

https://www.talkofthetown.ie/man-struck-by-speeding-car-at-blessing-of-the-graves-recovering-following-brain-surgery/

24-07-2019 11:38pm

tayto lover wrote: »

There were Garda about but this lad took someone’s car from inside the cemetery and their 9 year old child had to jump from it and luckily wasn’t injured. There’s not much the Garda could have done about that in fairness.

Has anyone heard of a motive? Or was it just his idea of fun?

tayto lover · 25-07-2019 10:06am

368100 wrote: »

Has anyone heard of a motive? Or was it just his idea of fun?

Probably something something culture or something.

lawlolawl · 25-07-2019 10:10am

368100 wrote: »

Has anyone heard of a motive? Or was it just his idea of fun?

Some of their usual fued nonsense I'd imagine.

You know, the kind of stuff that civilization moved on from centuries ago.

Deebles McBeebles · 25-07-2019 10:28am

tayto lover wrote: »

Probably something something culture or something.

Caught a whiff of unprotected copper pipe.

Car drives through crowd in Dundalk Graveyard

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