Enniscorthy

jpb1974 · 15-07-2019 1:08pm

Could be all about the urban sprawl now... not a hope of any significant or sustainable new employment about the place.

PhilOssophy · 15-07-2019 1:56pm

blindsider wrote: »

Presumably the housing market will see some sort of lift in Enniscorthy now - by Dublin standards, it will be reasonable to commute from Enniscorthy to Sth Dublin. Prices seem relatively low in Enniscorthy - €200K will get you a lot of house compared to 30 mins up the road.

Gorey is 12 yrs further down this road (excuse the pun!) and seems to have benefited.

More people living in Enniscorthy would presumably mean a greater demand for...everything really....and hopefully it would be good for the town - let's face it Enniscorthy really needs a bit of a lift

Enniscorthy, Wexford and the environment need more jobs locally not more people driving 70 miles on the N11 twice a day

jpb1974 · 15-07-2019 2:04pm

The 'ol government can't see the wood for the trees sometimes... banging on about taxation off fossil fuels to reduce carbon emissions, yet have largely fostered the all roads lead to Dublin approach to employment. Taxation seems to be the cure for everything.

ezra_ · 15-07-2019 2:26pm

kneemos wrote: »

Gorey has attractions.

Its biggest being that the main street no longer resembles a car park.

Cantona's Collars · 15-07-2019 2:36pm

jpb1974 wrote: »

Could be all about the urban sprawl now... not a hope of any significant or sustainable new employment about the place.

"One hour from Dublin".

It'll be like a lot of commuter towns,whole estates emptying at 5.30 am and nobody back until 7.30 pm. Feck all community spirit as nobody sees each other from one end of the week to the next.

EverythingGood · 15-07-2019 2:45pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Looking like there is something eventually being done with the site for the filling station just between the graveyard and Donohoes garage.

They guy who has the garage in Shingan is opening up in Bkackstoops also.

EverythingGood · 15-07-2019 2:47pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

"One hour from Dublin".

It'll be like a lot of commuter towns,whole estates emptying at 5.30 am and nobody back until 7.30 pm. Feck all community spirit as nobody sees each other from one end of the week to the next.

Did town to Dublin for 6 years, every day on a bus, horrible. feel for anyone stuck doing it. Town needs jobs, like you say, not zombie commuters.

Cantona's Collars · 15-07-2019 3:22pm

EverythingGood wrote: »

Did town to Dublin for 6 years, every day on a bus, horrible. feel for anyone stuck doing it. Town needs jobs, like you say, not zombie commuters.

I've avoided offers of work up that way. More money alright but zero quality of life. I did all that commuting lark for long enough. Working local now and wouldn't go back to that slog.

Cantona's Collars · 15-07-2019 3:22pm

EverythingGood wrote: »

Did town to Dublin for 6 years, every day on a bus, horrible. feel for anyone stuck doing it. Town needs jobs, like you say, not zombie commuters.

I've avoided offers of work up that way. More money alright but zero quality of life. I did all that commuting lark for long enough. Working local now and wouldn't go back to that slog.

jpb1974 · 15-07-2019 5:01pm

Commuted myself for years too... a horrible, horrible life to be living.

blindsider · 15-07-2019 11:49pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Enniscorthy, Wexford and the environment need more jobs locally not more people driving 70 miles on the N11 twice a day

Absolutely! Couldn't agree more!

It's just unfortunate that the IDA etc are still selling Dublin (almost exclusively) as a destination for Inward Investment. As soon as the balance swings away from Dublin for a while, we will see progress in places like Enniscorthy....don't hold your breath though...the 2003 effort at de-centralisation was woeful!

vicwatson · 16-07-2019 12:05am

Who’s the dude arrested today by CAB for intimidation? Maybe not to name him but is he well known?

jpb1974 · 16-07-2019 7:45am

vicwatson wrote: »

Who’s the dude arrested today by CAB for intimidation? Maybe not to name him but is he well known?

Raid a few weeks ago -

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0627/1057778-cab-arrest-wexford/

Probably same bloke.

Marhay70 · 16-07-2019 10:00am

jpb1974 wrote: »

Raid a few weeks ago -

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0627/1057778-cab-arrest-wexford/

Probably same bloke.

The implication is that it is a member of a downtrodden minority who is involved.
Absolutely scurrilous talk denegrating the salt of the earth. Gardaí should be ashamed.

jpb1974 · 16-07-2019 10:12am

Marhay70 wrote: »

The implication is that it is a member of a downtrodden minority who is involved.
Absolutely scurrilous talk denegrating the salt of the earth. Gardaí should be ashamed.

You've lost me here... are you implying that the authorities haven't done their due diligence and just went up and raided someone for reasons other than suspected criminal activity?

BTW. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just trying to understand your post a bit better.

Thanks

Cantona's Collars · 16-07-2019 11:13am

jpb1974 wrote: »

You've lost me here... are you implying that the authorities haven't done their due diligence and just went up and raided someone for reasons other than suspected criminal activity?

BTW. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just trying to understand your post a bit better.

Thanks

I think sarcasm gets lost in a post.

Sure isn't it their culture to amass all those belongings and money with no way to show how they paid for any of it and then pull up outside the dole office in a brand new jeep or van.

CoBo55 · 16-07-2019 11:30am

jpb1974 wrote: »

You've lost me here... are you implying that the authorities haven't done their due diligence and just went up and raided someone for reasons other than suspected criminal activity?

BTW. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just trying to understand your post a bit better.

Thanks

Woosh...

jpb1974 · 16-07-2019 11:44am

I think one can be forgiven for walking the tight rope as it's often hard to interpret posts/reactions around here...

Mention a Romanian and you're a racist...
Mention a traveller and its a free for all...
Mention people by name and it's fine...
Mention people by name and it's not fine...
State something bad, your a doom merchant who deserves to be mocked...
State something good, you're largely ignored...

Given my own logic.. I probably should have kopped it.

Marhay70 · 16-07-2019 12:06pm

jpb1974 wrote: »

I think one can be forgiven for walking the tight rope as it's often hard to interpret posts/reactions around here...

Mention a Romanian and you're a racist...
Mention a traveller and its a free for all...
Mention people by name and it's fine...
Mention people by name and it's not fine...
State something bad, your a doom merchant who deserves to be mocked...
State something good, you're largely ignored...

Given my own logic.. I probably should have kopped it.

Apologies for the confusion, you can rely that my tongue was very firmly in my cheek.

:rolleyes:

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 10:41am

Bypass opening today, happy days. Does anybody know if there's a map which details the entry and exit points, time to figure out what my best options are for heading to Dublin/Wexford from various different locations.

arseagon · 18-07-2019 10:46am

This is the best one I can find:

https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/sites/default/files/content/Roads/M11%20Gorey%20to%20Enniscorthy%20PPP%20Scheme%20Route%20Map.pdf

CoBo55 · 18-07-2019 10:46am

jpb1974 wrote: »

Bypass opening today, happy days. Does anybody know if there's a map which details the entry and exit points, time to figure out what my best options are for heading to Dublin/Wexford from various different locations.

Oulart road, Kiltealy road, the N30 and Scarawalsh are the access points. You hardly need a map it isn't spaghetti junction.

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 11:21am

Thanks arseagon, that serves as a really good overview.

arseagon · 18-07-2019 11:25am

From looking at it closer, the Tomnsfunshoge roundabout seems to be an off ramp for southerly traffic only... no sign of an on ramp in either direction and I don't see a junction on the Oulart road either...

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 11:28am

arseagon wrote: »

From looking at it closer, the Tomnsfunshoge roundabout seems to be an off ramp for southerly traffic only... no sign of an on ramp in either direction and I don't see a junction on the Oulart road either...

I was thinking the same thing, I live out the Oulart Road direction and have driven over that bridge several times during construction and only noticed an exit for southerly traffic.

That being said, it was a bit of a state at that point and I haven't been over it in several months as I've been using a different road to get to town, so am not sure what the current situation is. I might drive down that way this evening and take a closer look.

arseagon · 18-07-2019 11:41am

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Tomnafunshoge_Junction

They have it drawn as an offramp only anyway

arseagon · 18-07-2019 11:44am

Wait no I'm wrong on that, closer inspection on my own link shows a road linking it back to the Ballydawmore Junction

Cantona's Collars · 18-07-2019 11:47am

arseagon wrote: »

Wait no I'm wrong on that, closer inspection on my own link shows a road linking it back to the Ballydawmore Junction

Yep,Ballydawmore interchange is where you get on and off it there.

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 11:49am

This image suggests that Tomnafunshoge is southerly exit only -

arseagon · 18-07-2019 11:51am

Scroll the map northwards....

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 11:55am

Heh... its a bit confusing for sure. You're right, when you follow the the shaded red/white road/lane that's hitting the roundabout North, it seems to be a separate road/lane up to Ballydawmore.

BarryD2 · 18-07-2019 11:59am

jpb1974 wrote: »

Bypass opening today, happy days. Does anybody know if there's a map which details the entry and exit points, time to figure out what my best options are for heading to Dublin/Wexford from various different locations.

It'll be interesting to see what difference this makes to Enniscorthy. The HGVs and ferry traffic should be gone and so on. Which will make it a quieter and pleasanter. Some towns that are bypassed seem to take a breath and thrive whilst others decline. Wonder which way Enniscorthy will go? You'd think the decent size population and location would tend towards the former but been going the other way for quite a while.

Cantona's Collars · 18-07-2019 12:08pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what difference this makes to Enniscorthy. The HGVs and ferry traffic should be gone and so on. Which will make it a quieter and pleasanter. Some towns that are bypassed seem to take a breath and thrive whilst others decline. Wonder which way Enniscorthy will go? You'd think the decent size population and location would tend towards the former but been going the other way for quite a while.

As I said before,it was quicker to drive to Wexford than drive from one side of Enniscorthy to the other. One small hold up around the bridges led to gridlock around the town within a couple of minutes. Hopefully with that being alleviated we should see a more pleasant experience in getting around Enniscorthy.
It was the traffic that put so many off going into the town unless absolutely necessary.

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 12:13pm

Personally I don't think Enniscorthy has much to lose... a handful of local business that benefited from the passing trade will feel the pinch. Quieter and pleasanter would be a huge plus.

As the potential newest mecca for commuters, I'm really not sure where I stand on that... areas like The Moyne and The Milehouse certainly aren't quieter and pleasanter as the volume of houses in both areas has sky rocketed. The parents live in The Moyne and you might not believe how busy that road is, I'd say on average, there's about 4-6 car related accidents/incidents per year outside their house. Purely from a traffic management perspective, I think there needs to be a smarter approach to housing estates.. out along the Dublin Road towards Scarawalsh, which should be significantly quieter now, might make more sense.

arseagon · 18-07-2019 12:19pm

There's a whole new housing estate being built out the Milehouse off the new roundabout at the back of the petrol station (McSorleys) that was recently built. I don't know how big but seeing as the road links up with the Caim road at the Still pond and they're using that as a goods entrance would say to me it's going to be pretty big... You can see the road they built on the satellite view of google maps:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.509622,-6.5967594,1407m/data=!3m1!1e3

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 12:25pm

Glad I've nobody in The Vocational College or St. Aidan's Primary School... will be chocka up there in the morning's with another 600 houses on the way.

BarryD2 · 18-07-2019 12:25pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

As I said before,it was quicker to drive to Wexford than drive from one side of Enniscorthy to the other. One small hold up around the bridges led to gridlock around the town within a couple of minutes. Hopefully with that being alleviated we should see a more pleasant experience in getting around Enniscorthy.
It was the traffic that put so many off going into the town unless absolutely necessary.

The attitude and plans of the local authorities will be key. Free parking or at least 1 or 2 hours free parking would help a lot to encourage people in the surrounding area to come in and shop in the town centre area. In theory, you could see a revival of many of the smaller retail units that are closed up. You could have a town centre more like Wexford or Kilkenny or even Gorey.

Mullingar was bypassed quite a few years ago, it went a little quieter for a time then the centre of town was always busy. Nowadays Westmeath CoCo seem to be bent on reintroducing traffic jams by widening the already wide pavements and pedestrianising the centre. Maybe it's a good idea to exclude cars from town centres though it flies in the face of the practicalities of rural transport in the hinterland areas.

kneemos · 18-07-2019 12:28pm

More bizzare goings on on the Quay.

https://www.southeastradio.ie/2019/07/gardai-investigate-possible-abduction-of-a-woman-in-wexford/

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 12:48pm

I'm still baffled by that shaded red/white road at Tomnafunshoge that you follow North... I drive over the bypass just about every day at the location below and I've never noticed any sort of slip road or additional lane that joins up to Ballydawmore.

EverythingGood · 18-07-2019 12:49pm

kneemos wrote: »

More bizzare goings on on the Quay.

https://www.southeastradio.ie/2019/07/gardai-investigate-possible-abduction-of-a-woman-in-wexford/

Might anything found in Coogans....

arseagon · 18-07-2019 12:50pm

It's a bit confusing alright but it is there. It can be see in the aerial photos on the official webpage.

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 12:54pm

Ya, I'm probably interpreting it incorrectly in my head... the penny will drop when I get on the road over the weekend.

Duffry Goat · 18-07-2019 1:35pm

Great positive report in today's Irish Times on the bypass. Let's keep it that way. I think a coffee outside Impresso tomorrow is called for to view the traffic activity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/enniscorthy-bypass-will-utterly-transform-town-1.3960270

arseagon · 18-07-2019 2:09pm

They are correct, it will utterly transform the town... but that could go either way if it's not properly managed. Here's hoping it turns out for the good of the town.

PhilOssophy · 18-07-2019 2:44pm

Enniscorthy needs jobs now, this road will definitely make the town a more attractive place but what the town doesn't need is more pedestrianisation.

Del.Monte · 18-07-2019 3:04pm

The end today at Michael White's old premises on the Market Square.

I think anybody expecting a major retail uplift due to the bypass is being unduly optimistic as rates/rents and online shopping have hollowed out town centres nationwide. As for jobs in other sectors...

I forgot to mention that most of the charity shops will be closing down due to now being subject to full commercial rates.

PhilOssophy · 18-07-2019 3:11pm

Enniscorthy is 1-2 decent developments away from being a decent town. It needs something to make people go to the town, e.g. a Penneys/New Look/etc, not more charity shops and Dealz.

Del.Monte · 18-07-2019 3:14pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Enniscorthy is 1-2 decent developments away from being a decent town. It needs something to make people go to the town, e.g. a Penneys/New Look/etc, not more charity shops and Dealz.

At least Dealz and the charity shops fill what would otherwise be more empty retail units.

jpb1974 · 18-07-2019 3:19pm

I don't see too many (if any) long term, sustainable jobs coming... skilled labor is where the growth is and companies on the lookout want to locate where the local market is rich in resources.

paulaa · 18-07-2019 3:37pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Enniscorthy is 1-2 decent developments away from being a decent town. It needs something to make people go to the town, e.g. a Penneys/New Look/etc, not more charity shops and Dealz.

Pennys will never come to Enniscorthy.

Enniscorthy

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