Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

The J Stands for Jay · 22-06-2019 6:18pm

hots wrote: »

"The minister said terms like “may the best man win” or “the best man for the job” - while they may be throwaway terms - had “nestled far too comfortably into everyday language” and become the norm."

Jesus christ maybe focus on the important issues.

It's as sexist as refering to all bovine animals as 'cows' regardless of their gender

hots · 24-06-2019 2:52pm

McGaggs wrote: »

It's as sexist as refering to all bovine animals as 'cows' regardless of their gender

It's just a bit pathetic, there's loads of injustice to focus on and she's being a real life grammar nazi.

TheBoyConor · 24-06-2019 4:52pm

The Specialist wrote: »

Strong independent women can pay for their own taxi. Remember that next time your friend feels anxious about going home alone.

A good retort over declining to walk a female home would be "she is too drunk. I can't be alone with her for my own safety in case there are allegations".

Kimsang · 24-06-2019 5:53pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

A good retort over declining to walk a female home would be "she is too drunk. I can't be alone with her for my own safety in case there are allegations".

I'm going to use that one, thanks

...Ghost... · 27-06-2019 11:11am

good one

iptba · 29-06-2019 3:39pm

First women-only professorships due to be appointed before end of this year

Mary Mitchell O’Connor says gender equality move is ‘game-changing moment’

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/first-women-only-professorships-due-to-be-appointed-before-end-of-this-year-1.3933521

Disappointing to see only expressions of support/similar for this, no entities or individuals (including politicians) voicing concern

The Specialist · 29-06-2019 4:23pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/first-women-only-professorships-due-to-be-appointed-before-end-of-this-year-1.3933521

Disappointing to see only expressions of support/similar for this, no entities or individuals (including politicians) voicing concern

It’s a catch 22 really - this is a disgraceful policy but anybody who speaks out about it will be branded a sexist/card carrying member of the patriarchy.

It’s ok though because Mary Mitchell O’Connor has guaranteed FG won’t get any vote from me again and anyone they send to the door will be hearing exactly why.

Calhoun · 29-06-2019 5:21pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/first-women-only-professorships-due-to-be-appointed-before-end-of-this-year-1.3933521

Disappointing to see only expressions of support/similar for this, no entities or individuals (including politicians) voicing concern

Don't be silly in Ireland 2019 if you went against this in anyway as a company or influencer of any size you they would target you hard. Only people against it are normal folk who will have to pay for it and rational thinkers.

Even then huge amount of white knights who will blea"t about it happily.

Just remember when FG is at the door, and also remember Reginas comments on paternity leave .

The Specialist · 30-06-2019 8:33pm

Hidden behind their ****ty paywall but the headline says it all - for those unfamiliar with this **** show, Maura is an Irish contestant who managed to both force herself on to a male who didn’t want it, and also “checked if she was giving him a boner” by lifting the bed sheets. A male would be fired off the show and vilified but this one is a “feminist icon”?!!! I’ve just reset my thoughts on R Kelly/Chris Brown thanks to this, 2 sound out misunderstood guys in fairness - icons for masculinity.

https://m.independent.ie/style/voices/dr-ciara-kelly-we-need-love-islands-maura-an-unexpected-feminist-icon-38266326.html

Calhoun · 30-06-2019 9:45pm

Article is written by someone you couldn't even describe as a journalistic hack. She is a doctor who decided that she wants to be a big player in the media, the only problem is she forgot she isn't a doctor scolding and condescending to her patients.

Of all the people I would listen to on items like this she would not be one of them.

I also have no really sympathy for the lads on the program they generally know the score and are playing the games themselves.

I get the point you are trying to make but I would not one up Ciara in this one.

iptba · 02-07-2019 2:10pm

The Specialist wrote: »

Hidden behind their ****ty paywall but the headline says it all - for those unfamiliar with this **** show, Maura is an Irish contestant who managed to both force herself on to a male who didn’t want it, and also “checked if she was giving him a boner” by lifting the bed sheets. A male would be fired off the show and vilified but this one is a “feminist icon”?!!! I’ve just reset my thoughts on R Kelly/Chris Brown thanks to this, 2 sound out misunderstood guys in fairness - icons for masculinity.

https://m.independent.ie/style/voices/dr-ciara-kelly-we-need-love-islands-maura-an-unexpected-feminist-icon-38266326.html

He was dull, vain and weak. She is funny, feisty and straight-talking. He didn't deserve Maura. In fact, I'm not sure if any of us do.

I find the last sentence hard to accept. I haven't followed the series, but nothing in the article that I recall suggests she is some sort of saint or a particularly amazing person. Perhaps it is an extension of an attitude I have wondered about: any man should be grateful if any woman is interested in them; while it's perfectly okay for women to be picky.

The Specialist · 02-07-2019 5:46pm

iptba wrote: »

I find the last sentence hard to accept. I haven't followed the series, but nothing in the article that I recall suggests she is some sort of saint or a particularly amazing person. Perhaps it is an extension of an attitude I have wondered about: any man should be grateful if any woman is interested in them; while it's perfectly okay for women to be picky.

No none of us deserve Maura, she’s a ****ing embarrassment. It seems “straight talking” women these days are just tramps with mouths like a sewer who are impossible to shut up, because they have “tings” to say and everyone else has to suffer them. I wouldn’t call a sexual predator “feisty” either - kind of denigrates their opinion on male ones when they celebrate ****ty women for the same thing.

tritium · 05-07-2019 1:17pm

I see there’s a business in the Stephens Green centre advertising outside the centre with a picture of a lady looking up a mans kilt for the past few days. Given up skirting is due to be a criminal offense soon I don’t think I’m reaching to call this unacceptable?

py2006 · 05-07-2019 2:25pm

tritium wrote: »

I see there’s a business in the Stephens Green centre advertising outside the centre with a picture of a lady looking up a mans kilt for the past few days. Given up skirting is due to be a criminal offense soon I don’t think I’m reaching to call this unacceptable?

Take a pic of it and post it here.

Kimsang · 06-07-2019 4:57am

tritium wrote: »

I see there’s a business in the Stephens Green centre advertising outside the centre with a picture of a lady looking up a mans kilt for the past few days. Given up skirting is due to be a criminal offense soon I don’t think I’m reaching to call this unacceptable?

If past history is anything to go by, it will be an up-skirt law, and not an up-kilt law. We'll be fair game as usual.

08-07-2019 1:49pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/steve-hansen-criticised-for-saying-domestic-violence-is-not-a-gender-thing-1.3950005

So rugby coach says that Domestic Violence is not gender specific and gets hammered.
The important thing is that he was a police constable and called out to houses because of this but his experience is called "out-dated", because things have changed so much behind closed doors in 20 years.

There is a growing acceptance that men are vastly under-reported in domestic violence stakes (or just not believed) but that under representation is being used to hammer him.

In my close group of 3 guys, 2 of us have admitted to being physically (and emotionally) abused by a previous female partner.
One case drawing blood and a sexual assault, the other resulting in concussion.

Neither of us has reported it, does that mean it does not count?

tritium · 08-07-2019 3:44pm

py2006 wrote: »

Take a pic of it and post it here.

This is the same image that they’re using

https://www.avantages-harmonie.fr/avantages/centres-de-beaute/depil-tech-cergy/

(As at today anyway)

Calhoun · 08-07-2019 5:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/steve-hansen-criticised-for-saying-domestic-violence-is-not-a-gender-thing-1.3950005

So rugby coach says that Domestic Violence is not gender specific and gets hammered.
The important thing is that he was a police constable and called out to houses because of this but his experience is called "out-dated", because things have changed so much behind closed doors in 20 years.

There is a growing acceptance that men are vastly under-reported in domestic violence stakes (or just not believed) but that under representation is being used to hammer him.

In my close group of 3 guys, 2 of us have admitted to being physically (and emotionally) abused by a previous female partner.
One case drawing blood and a sexual assault, the other resulting in concussion.

Neither of us has reported it, does that mean it does not count?

The joke here is that she the shoe is on the other foot particularly when it comes to rape statistics you are expected to believe them.

However saying that i think in both cases we need to try and understand the barriers to reporting and see if we can resolve.

iptba · 08-07-2019 5:15pm

Calhoun wrote: »

However saying that i think in both cases we need to try and understand the barriers to reporting and see if we can resolve.

As I mentioned in another thread, a recent newspaper article happened to mention Women’s Aid were training the Gardai. It doesn’t give much confidence they would be trained in a gender-neutral way. Many men could be wary they might end up being blamed.

Calhoun · 08-07-2019 6:14pm

iptba wrote: »

As I mentioned in another thread, a recent newspaper article happened to mention Women’s Aid were training the Gardai. It doesn’t give much confidence they would be trained in a gender-neutral way. Many men could be wary they might end up being blamed.

They had better hope it doesn't go like the UK where the CPS basically withholding evidence showing innocence.

Hopefully the force will stay neutral but if it doesn't it's just one more reason to not believe in the rule of law in Ireland.

the_pen_turner · 08-07-2019 8:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/steve-hansen-criticised-for-saying-domestic-violence-is-not-a-gender-thing-1.3950005

So rugby coach says that Domestic Violence is not gender specific and gets hammered.
The important thing is that he was a police constable and called out to houses because of this but his experience is called "out-dated", because things have changed so much behind closed doors in 20 years.

There is a growing acceptance that men are vastly under-reported in domestic violence stakes (or just not believed) but that under representation is being used to hammer him.

In my close group of 3 guys, 2 of us have admitted to being physically (and emotionally) abused by a previous female partner.
One case drawing blood and a sexual assault, the other resulting in concussion.

Neither of us has reported it, does that mean it does not count?

i heard something on the radio yesterday i think. only caught a small bit of it.
they said 2 out of every 3 reported cases are fmale victims and 1/3 male victims. then said they estimate that 1 in5 women report it and 1 in 20 men report it.

if you work that out to estiamted total levels then that shows that men are victims twice as often as women

Silentcorner · 08-07-2019 8:42pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i heard something on the radio yesterday i think. only caught a small bit of it.
they said 2 out of every 3 reported cases are fmale victims and 1/3 male victims. then said they estimate that 1 in5 women report it and 1 in 20 men report it.

if you work that out to estiamted total levels then that shows that men are victims twice as often as women

That would tally with the belief (of people on the cold front of domestic abuse) that 70% of non reciprocal domestic abuse is committed by women on men.

We spend €17,000,000 per annum in services to abused women, we spend €750-850k on male victims.

Our schools are about to embark on an initiative to reduce violence against women, our boys will be told/indoctrinated to believe that domestic abuse only impacts women.

To be fair to the feminists, complaining and lobbying really pays off!

iptba · 08-07-2019 9:10pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Our schools are about to embark on an initiative to reduce violence against women, our boys will be told/indoctrinated to believe that domestic abuse only impacts women.

Has anyone any info on this? I'm not sure I was aware of it.

Silentcorner · 08-07-2019 9:16pm

iptba wrote: »

Has anyone any info on this? I'm not sure I was aware of it.

The Istanbul Convention.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ihrc-istanbul-convention-4701842-Jul2019/

To combat "the epidemic of violence against women"....

the_pen_turner · 08-07-2019 9:17pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

That would tally with the belief (of people on the cold front of domestic abuse) that 70% of non reciprocal domestic abuse is committed by women on men.

We spend €17,000,000 per annum in services to abused women, we spend €750-850k on male victims.

Our schools are about to embark on an initiative to reduce violence against women, our boys will be told/indoctrinated to believe that domestic abuse only impacts women.

To be fair to the feminists, complaining and lobbying really pays off!

and they wonder why so many men hate this feminist nonscense
all the facts show men as the higher pecentage of victims but all recourses and talk is directed at women . all we get is blamed for it

Silentcorner · 08-07-2019 9:44pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

and they wonder why so many men hate this feminist nonscense
all the facts show men as the higher pecentage of victims but all recourses and talk is directed at women . all we get is blamed for it

More and more women are copping onto to it as well, I was talking with a young woman recently who called it a cult, it was hard to argue with her description.

None of this is being achieved by democratic means, it is being achieved by The Womens Council which is taxpayer funded and way more influential than what we realise...the domestic abuse industry also turns its back on lesbian domestic abuse, no prizes for guessing why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships

iptba · 08-07-2019 10:23pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Istanbul Convention.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ihrc-istanbul-convention-4701842-Jul2019/

To combat "the epidemic of violence against women"....

Thanks.

The Irish Government has pledged an extra €1.5m in funding to tackle a rise in domestic and sexual violence.
The additional money will go towards frontline services combating rape, sexual assaults and gender based attacks.
Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Katherine Zappone said 16 organisations combating sexual violence in Ireland will benefit from the 10pc increase in core funding.
Counties that are lacking in domestic violence services will have 12 new outreach workers for women and children.
Areas in Galway, Carlow, Wicklow, Cork and Dublin are set to benefit from the increase in support.

"The new initiatives will also ensure that Ireland meets its international obligations under the Istanbul Convention."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-pledges-1-5m-to-tackle-domestic-and-sexual-violence-38051265.html

It is really quite disappointing that international conventions should be so biased. In medicine, lots of conditions are more prevalent in one gender or the other, but we don't have such huge imbalances in services based on gender.

09-07-2019 10:47am

iptba wrote: »

As I mentioned in another thread, a recent newspaper article happened to mention Women’s Aid were training the Gardai. It doesn’t give much confidence they would be trained in a gender-neutral way. Many men could be wary they might end up being blamed.

These were the words said to me "If you were to call the bouncers/gards I will say I was defending myself"
It was done to highlight just how easily she could hurt me (either physically, without me reacting, or by twisting the situation if I reacted in any way)

This was 17 years ago so, of course, my experience is out of date and no longer relevant...

ThunbergsAreGo · 09-07-2019 11:06am

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Istanbul Convention.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ihrc-istanbul-convention-4701842-Jul2019/

To combat "the epidemic of violence against women"....

I think violence against anyone regardless of gender is a bad thing.

But surely instead of an "epidemic" it is actually at a historically low level?

Pawwed Rig · 09-07-2019 11:16am

Depends where you live

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